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HigherEd:
we were compulsorily" made to learn a subject that's against our faith as Christians, an act which is clearly in breach of our fundamental right as eshrined in the Constitution, the same law those against the Body of Benchers are canvassing. I remember how my lecturer rebuked me for daring to raise such issue. Heaven didn't fall!

hey!
Stop crying like a kid who was flogged, what nigerian constitution are you tálking about?
I'm a sure you are referring to your family church constitution.

Now let me ask you a question!
Assuming in the future of your carreer you find yourself leading a customary court in the north judging a case involving people who were ruled by islamic laws is it your christian understanding that you will use for your judgement?

Your lecturer was doing something good to you but because of your wrong fundermentals you find yourself opposing

you are praying for the unity of nigeria yet in practice you cannot judge nigerians who are muslims in their islamic customary court as a christian lawyer then how will that unity come? (Needless to remind you that christ says christians will be judges on thiš earth).

If i was a law student i will gladly accept the course and study it perfectly because it has nothińg to do with my christian beliefs and my fundermental human rights

The bishop may be right, but his view does not apply everywhere?
It is in nigeria that muslims are better than christians.

Nigerian christians are cast,
They are fake people, all of them.

But if you travel abroad christians lead the way, muslims follow

InansBobo:
I can't continue to argue because I know no matter what I write, you wont be convinced and I won't either (though not paying tithe yet as per not earning yet) but I believe in tithing...

whether you are convince or not it does not change the truth that you cant continue argue again because there are no scriptural basis for your believe in tithe, that you deliberately and willingly choose to believe in tithe(reasons best known to you) irrespective of the scriptural contrary realities on ground.

I'd rather live as if there is a God and later discover there's non than to live as if there's non and later discover and discover there is ...-
Albert Camus

it does not come to this!
a christian who knows his right and does not pay tithe does not mean that he do not believe that God exist.

As a matter of fact it far more better to live a free christian void of any form of financial slavery than to live as a christian who continually pay some regular finanacial tribute to a fellow christian because he is ignorant

InansBobo:
I can't continue to argue because I know no matter what I write, you wont be convinced and I won't either (though not paying tithe yet as per not earning yet) but I believe in tithing...

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I'd rather live as if there is a God and later discover there's non than to live as if there's non and later discover and discover there is ...-
Albert Camus

InansBobo:
when the disciples were tithing, was it sent to heaven or was it God that spent the tithe or ate it... The mystery behind the tithe is tithing by faith and not the physical ascertion people give

there was no mystery behind tithing among the jews in the old testament. The jews were mandated to tithe because they had covenant with God as at that time before christ came and there was supernatural blessing from God to any jew who complied but not today anymore.
Even today jews dont know anything about tithing talkless of paying (google it) and God is blessing them like any other nation.
Yes, tithing was done by the jewish faith(judaism) but not in christian faith. Therefore it is fraud to introduce tithing in christian faith
There is no scriptural bases to support that your acertion that the disciples were tithing.
If there was anything like that in the bible the disciples who were involved did it out of ignorance and they were corrected.

InansBobo:
ok, that's to you but giving back to God just 10% of what he's given me seems too small sef, so, aside tithe, I'd still give to support the poor, evangelism etc so far Jehovah gives me the resources. it's a choice matter, my pastor doesn't force anyone to pay tithe, he's never said its a sin but we'd do it and it won't affect negatively

they tell you when you give you are giving to God.
Is God the one spending the money?
The one who is spending the money is using the money to acquire and maintain private jet for himself you are here believing that you are giving to God.

Now here this! God is a spirit, spirits does not need human money ok.
Its only humans that can spend human money .

With this you can understand why your pastor dont need to force you to comply.
You comply because it is already in your belief system.

Now, if these pastors are collecting this money from you people and they are teaching you people exactly what is in the bible no wahalla, nobody will critize them.
That means they are doing the job for which they are paid.
But if the case is that, they are twisting bible for you preventing you people from building your personal intelligence and know the truth and set yourselves free just like what they are currently doing?(because everything they say, lie or truth, you will accept because you so reference them)
Then, certainly they are fraudulent people, flee from them, you wount understand.
I was there before

InansBobo:
what really pains you about tithing

i have already said that it is a fraud

dexmond:
Romans 1:26

Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error. (NIV)

thank God you have agreed that it was God that gave them the shameful lust that they did not give it to themselves. Then why fighting God by fighting his creation.
God created a creation and saw that it was good and you are saying it is bad.
Oya go fight them now?

Godssword1:
Really?

i ask the question whsts your gain fermenting trouble by attacking people who were born with a different sexual orientation?
Same sex attraction has been detected among lower animals like insects, dogs and rabbits what makes you think it should be different with homosapiens?

No doubt, its something irritating to imagin but the best we can do is to ignore and treat them well, thats what the pope is doing

InansBobo:
Tithe existed before the law, during the law and after the law

the law has been in existence ever since God created adam and eve.
Thou shall surely die if thou eat from....
That is the law, the universal law

You disobey God you have break the law, then you die the death(according to jesus) or face purnishment its as simple as that.

Now, tithing is a different thing
Tithing was not a universal law, it was a jewish law only meant for the jewish tribe alone just like we have yoruba or hausa traditional laws.
Now, you dont expect the jews to pick any of the nigerian yoruba, igbo or hausa traditional laws do you?
Then why are you nigerians now picking their tithe laws?
Are you not willingly submitting to slavery like that?

Just know that God never created traditional laws humans do.
God only wanted us to obey the universal law of love God with your heart and love your neighbour as yourself thats all.
Any pastor quoting old testament asking you to do otherwise or obey jewish tithe law is a thief

InansBobo:
Can you show me someone who is poor and he's poor because he paid his tithe?

paying tithe does not make anyone poor,
It does not make anyone rich either, only the tithe collector is the one that is becoming rich, That is one sided transaction.
It was never scriptural,
It is defrauding

So??

Founder of Omega Fire Ministries, Apostle Johnson Suleman has said controversial On-Air media personality, Daddy Freeze is not his enemy.

Suleman, speaking during Sunday sermon in his church, said contrary to reports, he had never watched Freeze’s videos because he wants to love him.

The cleric said he would hate Freeze and have his relationship with God thwarted if he watched his videos.

According to him, Freeze was still his brother, noting that “the enemies of the kingdom are those against the church,brothers can disagree on doctrines and still be brothers.

“I have never watched a video against Freeze because I still want to love him, when I meet him and not hate him.

“You do not conclude a story after hearing one version, we live in a generation where people take one part of a story and analyse it

“I was told freeze took up my video last Sunday and was analysing it. This is the first time I’m calling his name and there is no need to watch his video not because of arrogance but so that I would not have an impression bad about him.

“I want to see someone like him on the road and hug him and shake his hands.I would not watch his video because I still want to love him and if I do it would affect me and my relationship with God that’s why I don’t watch such video.

“Analysing me or what I said was very wrong because I have not watched him, Freeze has abused me severally but I thank him for calling me names, in the days of persecution they will call you names but when he goes through his own persecution I will stand by him.

“The enemies of the kingdom are those against the church,brothers can disagree on doctrines and still be brothers.”


Seun, lalascticlala,



http://allnews.uodoo.com/en-ng/detail/1784605856897268?uc_param_str=dnfrpfbivesv

God bless the pope!
If there are more people that thinks like the pope this world will become a better place

Hmmm!

InansBobo:
from your ascertion, let's see if by you and your crew not paying tithe, If Bishop Oyedepo or any genuine Pastor would become poor

you people are so daft!
Who is saying that oyedepo should poor?
If the man becomes poor how does that benefit me?

Afterall, yahoo boys are not poor how is that affecting me?

No one is wishing anyone to become poor here, all we are saying is that get your money legitimately thats all.
Tithing is fraudelent.
Tithe money is what pastors are using to maintain private jet.
The vast christians who are still paying tithe are ignorant just like ignorant whities falling for nigerian yahoo boys

And certainly, the way things are going, this man launching a new private jet will have his new jet grounded very soon.
What will he possibly use to maintain the private jet in the face of reduced tithers in church?
Does he thinks mentaining private jet especially in this
current nigerian economic situation moi moi

My guy nor dey think at all before him do.

He will only use his personal savings to maintain private jet and become bankrupt

InansBobo:
No

https://www.nairaland.com/4226535/leke-adeboye-thanks-daddy-freeze

we have seen this a long time ago, his acertion does not translate to reality.
In reality, there is a huge drop in the number people paying tithe in church in recent times which has led adeboye coming out saying that if church members continue this way they will not make heaven.
Pastor Oritsejafor also threatened that if church members stop paying tithe they will die young, a comment that was triggered by the drastic reduction of tithers in his church.
Right now, our family pastor has complain this too. Infact, from my parents who are still reliable deacon, even though the number of people coming to church did not drop, there is a significant reduction of real tithers to what my pastor now call aparent tithers (people who used to pay before hoping that they start paying again).

The same thing applies to house of the rock (paul adefarasin). It was worst that people practically worked out of his church one sunday when he was preaching about tithe.
But his church population still remain the same.

So this adeboye's son is a big dreamer

I ask myself, why is this man so interested in aircrafts over educating and changing the primitive mentality of almost all his church members?
Why is aircraft the most important thing in the face of a primitive, morally degrading and economically stricken nation like nigeria?

The answer is simple
They are all for show

InansBobo:
whatever they say or do, one thing is SURE - they can't remove the anointing of God in God's servant and their wailing won't reduce church attendance.
it's just a waste of their time

but tithe has been reduced yes or no

LIFEisSIMPLE:
I now look at pastor freeze with suspicion

that is because you are still mad at him for exposing the day GO's them

Shhe bi tithe payers don reduce for church so tey you come here to fetch people ni?

Scammers!

LIFEisSIMPLE:
This big churches all started with gift mostly in form of a drumset. Gift is not gift

at a point these big churches deviated to start collecting tithe, lets see if freeze will do the same

Please, gift is gift and tithe is tithe.
There is nothing wrong in collecting gifts by anyone(pastor or no pastor) but tithe is fraudulent .

If people are giving freeze N1m worth of gift it should not be seen as seed offering as freeze has specifically said that your gift to him is not a seed that germinates.

Op, if you want front page do the right thing. Put the title of your thread to pass the right info

felixomor:
Voluntary donation like private jet will also be justified soon.
Praise be to God

how is he going to maintain the private jet?
From tithe and offering like the daddy GOs?

Goke7:
Keep on the abuses like your pastor freeze, doesn't change the fact that he has been found out as an broke bloke hypocrite, so the gift is little because it is laptop and phone, lol. Don't worry bigger and better gifts are coming for your dear pastor for the work of his new found scam ministry

i did not tell you he was my pastor you think its wisdom to deduce falsely that he is my pastor simply because i'm in the opinion that he or anyone has the right to collect gift from anyone?

If i may ask, dont you yourself receive little gift from your love ones?
I very sure you do, and if that is the case you are the one being hypocritical for thinking that another person should not receive gift

Thats why i am abusing you.

Because, i posted that receiving gift is not the same thing as tithing, so if freeze is condemning tithing it does not necessary mean that he is condemning people receiving gifts from people.
And it seems your small brain cannot understand simply because you hate him.
If you hate him whats my business, how does that make him my pastor?

Goke7:
It's too early bro to deny your pastor now o

Collecting gifts like the pastors he abuses, this is just the beginning. Freeze revelation is simple; he wan collect like pastors too de collect.

no sense at all for your comment you are just talking for talking sake.

The man is not againt people collecting little gift , nobody in his right senses will critize anyone collecting little gifts(not fraudulent tithe and offerring) from people who are willing to give, if you believe that there is anyone like that then you be monkey like every illiterate nigerians talking

Goke7:
una go soon tire, you think freeze is just condemning pastors and tithes, he wants a piece of the action, that's all.

You guys have been fooled to think freeze has a heart of gold. stay tuned for more revelations.

what action are you talking about be specific?

Who is saying freeze have heart of gold anyway?
That the man collect gift is that what you call revelation?

You mumu o

saltoasis:
Lol!
Let me laugh their daddy for 5mins



Talk is cheap, Its easy to criticize
Daddy freeze is just jealous of these pastors. If given a bigger platform, he would do worse than those pastors.

jealous of fraudulent activities of pastors?
Your comment is so ridiculous

Goke7:
the same thing he criticizes pastors for, don't you get it?

no!
Freeze never criticize pastors for collecting gifts, he never one day.
Rather, it was tithe and offering

Now, you know the condition behind tithe, that tithe is a complusary giving which is wrong

Freeze specifically said he is not collecting offering but anyone who gives him gift, he is can choose to collect it, what is hard there to understand?

ebonflexy:
Nigerians are enslaved right now in their own country.
They have chosen to remain slaves.

your explanation is saying opposite of your topic. from what mr west said, he is not reasoning like a nigerian christian

Animal sacrifices predates the law too