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jaephoenix:
Yes
It has led to many confusions and denominations. Prime example is this pain in the azz called Maximus, with their version of the bible and their interpretations. He and his gang have constituted a major hindrance to human progress. Their no-blood doctrine has killed thousands. So are other cults

quote one alterated scripture from the English version used by this so called Maximus let's see

Maynman:
Bible means books.
We are talking about the books in the New Testament.
What’s the first and original New Testament called?

When we are done we’ll move over to tanakh, Chrestians call Old Testament.

let's assume there was alteration like you said, are there any adverse effect of this so called alteration to modern day Christianity?

jaephoenix:
Bros I just told you I'm an ex christian. In fact 70%( my estimate) of Nairaland atheists are christians. I was very good with the bible. Was an SU(Scripture Union) don back in the days. I won bible drills. Etc etc. So I'm no stranger to the bible. And I found out its a load of fairy tales

what is the kingdom of heaven as mentioned in most Jesus parables in the new testament?

Maynman:
I’m just starting.
The first and original New Testament called codex sinaiticus is the most DOCTORED AND EDITED DOCUMENT IN HISTORY, just New Testament alone oo, we never even talk about tanakh you christians call Old Testament.

did Britannica specify were exactly in the bible that was corrected?
If yes, show me one example of an original verse and it correction

SeniorMan715:
Their earn is to spread delusion

Exactly!
And that's why they will never see satisfaction

Maynman:
You don’t even know the bible(books) you base your life on ATALL!

OK, is that all?

Maynman:
bible means collection of books, written by UNKNOWN AUTHORS!

OK,
That is the limit to which you know about the bible

jaephoenix:
Have you seen the the Vedas, the Tripitaka and the Koran before. That's where the evidence lies, take your time to read them.
Lets continue being retaarded

but i or any Christian for that matter never bothered to question the validity of these books.
If I as a Christian begin to bother whether what these books you just posted here stands for, are valid or not, then i should go ahead to read them and see things for myself.
Where I don't understand i will ask questions from people who have read the book.but if i don't bother about these books to read or understand them, then i shouldn't question it validity, I should remain neutral.
Why then atheists are so bothered to question the validity of the bible without wanting to read it or even ask questions from people who have read it about it content?

jaephoenix:
Atheists have searched thoroughly for a god all their lives with no result and been harping here for years about u guys submitting evidence of your god, yet nothing. So we have no choice but to agree there's no god. But if u still have one, do let us know, sir

have you seen a book called the bible before?
That's where the evidence lies, take your time to read it

One key element of truth-seekers is that, they respect simple logical identity law which summarizes that if one do not know the identity of a thing(for instance God's existence) then he cannot say anything categorically about it.

For atheists to categorically argue what they don't know about God's existence as if they have some automatic discerning spirit from their logical conclusions, is a proof already that they are never sincere people.
And you know what insincerity breeds?
unhappiness

litigator:
Hmmmm! So, God is a Christain?

this is a different question from your first question what religion is practiced in heaven.
The bible indicated that no one has ever seen God talkless of knowing God's religion, but Christianity was established on earth by Jesus Christ who is God, for humans to believe in God, not for God to believe in himself or have a religion.

If yes, how do you prove this to the Jews and the second largest religion.

i don't need to prove anything.
The prove is in the bible, whoever want the prove should get one and read.

What kinda question is that?

Heaven is Christianity itself.
Whosoever believes in Christ should not perish...

Why will one be baptized with the holy ghost in the first place?

You are saved by your belief that's all.
You don't need all these religious formalities of baptism of the water or holy ghost or speaking in tongues or whatever. Though they are not bad but they aren't necessary. They are only meant for the show.
The real thing is Romans 10:8

Romans 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

Just say the word that's all it requires, you can even say it in your heart.

What is the word to say?
The word is, THAT JESUS IS THE CHRIST which is your belief

OllyDiamond:
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Hmmm, you seriously need a mind overhaul because you completely lack understanding. You misconstrue things so terribly. May the Holy Spirit help your understanding

let's have a simple study :

Romans 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

can you proof that the words flesh or things of the flesh used in this scripture implies fornication or adultery?

I want to see how you understand this scripture by the help of the holy spirit

The purpose of life is to be career-wise engaged, make your money and enjoy your life.

God gave Adam a career from the beginning, and that is to replenish this earth.
You too much make money and replenish your world.

Dtruthspeaker:
Ah! See how you have mixed up everything because you do not understand and now, I know that you are set on not understanding, as you like it the way all is jumbled up in your mind and you do not want anyone here to change it.

So, all I would say is that you are wrong. Everything starts in spirit and ends physically as proven by fornication and adultery aka lust in your heart and mind, which we all know starts in our spirit even before it is implemented physically.

that's what conventional religion has conceived in your heart to see when you read those scriptures. Not that fornication, adultery or lust were even mentioned anywhere in that scripture.

You hear the words flesh or canally minded the next thing you think in your mind is, it's talking about fornication, adultery and lust

Religion don spoil una for Africa finish

Dtruthspeaker:
And everything spiritua alwaysl manifests, physically as it is always said.

no!

That statement isn't 100% correct.
They do not always manifest, infact the spirit was never meant to manifest in anything on earth from the beginning of creation. It's just that, God have to intervene on humans sometimes, due to Adam's disobedience

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

So, there is separation between the flesh and the spirit

Romans 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Romans 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

So there is flesh or this physical world and it thing separated at one side, while the spirit things are separated at the other side.
The two were not suppose to meet, unless God deem it fit for them to meet only when it is necessary. For instance, a supernatural miracle occurence.

That's why Jesus said my kingdom is not of this world.
Because the kingdom is a spirit thing

Dtruthspeaker:
Don't deceive yourself, when you are saved, it clearly and indisputably shows like the man who was locked up for 20years until he was saved.

when you hear that a Christian is saved, he is saved from what exactly?

Unless and until the police came to save him, he can deceive himself while he was still in the room.

your illustration is physical occurence or what can happen in this life which doesn't necessarily apply in the sprit.

Salvation is spiritual

Brainwashed or no brainwashed you are equally a Christian and are equally saved.

For me, going to church is good for one thing, and that is the connection

Certainly

I believe you sir

Yes

Abdul05:
U just like fooling urself..

Check am

It is scam

W

Maynmann:
That’s a cheap lie.
More Christians convert to islam than vice versa.

Do you know what 10m is?

if that is true, how that one won put food for your table you this hungry man?

Ignorance is usually number one excuse

Ken4Christ:
Trying hard to defend lies at the expense of your soul. Deep within you know that you are lying.

it is done to you now that you have been deceived by religion all the while and you are heart broken.
you don't just claim that someone is dying, prove to them that they are lying

So, when Jesus narrated the events of the last days in Matthew 24, it was also a parable.

not all statements in Matthew 24 were parable, infact most of the statements were literally spoken.
When you come across a scripture that is a parable, you should be able to know that it is a parable because it contains elements of myths, characters that are not real that need to be interpreted

He predicted the destruction of Jerusalem which took place literally in AD 70.

can you please specify the exact scripture?

And you have been made to believe that all that Jesus taught or said was parable.

No, I didn't say all, don't generalise

Don't worry, demons will use you for parable after you die. I just wished I will be there to supervise your punishment.

this is statement of hatred now, you should know better

You see clear truth with clear illustrations of what will become of lost souls, you call it a parable.

like what,specify please?

You know the problem of most of you Christians who were suppose to represent Christ appropriately?
You say things without verification, that isn't good for you.
And when someone counter your claims you begin to wish bad things to happen to the person, it doesn't work that way.

Why not admit you are wrong and be the hero to rescue innocent souls from your evil cult.

see, point out exactly where I'm wrong and i will show you other proofs!

Scriptures are contextual, if i tell you that end time was the era where Jesus was crucified then, i have several scriptures to prove that and these scriptures complement one another, no lies.

If i tell that certain statements in the bible are parables. Look at those statements you will see elements of myths or unreal characters that need to be interpreted.

For instance, they will be tormented day and night with unquenchable fire.
Have you ever seen an unquenchable fire before?
The answer is no!
Therefore, unquenchable fire is not real phenomenon but it is used to depict something else that is real.

You are not a child here

Not all parables in the bible come with outright interpretation you should know that

Ken4Christ:
You too have been brainwashed. So, this thing call brainwashing is real that even if evidences proves otherwise, you will hold on to lies.

Answer this question, the wailing and gnashing of teeth that Jesus says those in hell is also parable?

did you read the part that Jesus asked his disciples if they had understood what he was saying to them and they said yes, they understood? Matthew 15:31

I doubt that the disciples understood what he was saying, because everything he said there were not spoken literally, they were parables..

It was after this resurrection that Jesus literally expanciated to his disciples all he was saying, that every events that preceded his crucixion were already spoken by Moses and all the prophets, then they began to recall and understood all these things he was saying in parables Matthew 24:27

the wailing and gnashing of teeth there literally implies that there will be separation in the last day or end time(that is, the time of Jesus crucixion. Act 2;17), some people will be separated to become Christians after Christ resurrection(remember, Jesus resurrection brought about Christianity today) while some will not be selected. Those that will not be selected will wail and gnash their teeth, it's as simple as that.

A fire that will never quench is also parable.

it is, my brother!
Revelation described it as Lake of fire.
To interprete what that Lake of fire is, it simply called it THE SECOND DEATH.

Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

The parable term is lake of fire or hell fire.
It literal meaning is simply death or the second death

That means, the individual will never come back to life again, because Adam and Eve sinned from the beginning and death came, so did Christ died and brought back eternal life that was lost as a result of Adam and Eve's disobedience

They will be tormented day and night is also parable?

it is now!

Look at it again,

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

That torment is simply death in the real sense ,the second death.

I never believed that people could be so brainwashed that they can reason straight anymore.

you never thought that religion could brainwash you all these while?
Have you ever asked yourself why they say religion is the opium of the people, do you know the meaning of the word opium?

It also means heaven is not real. Heaven is a parable.

Heaven is simply people on earth in the real sense.
Believers!

Very soon, you will say that Jesus is a parable.

you had better create time, calm down and read your bible from Genesis to revelation and understand everything for yourself.
Leave religion.

MaxInDHouse:
Instead of concentrating on the obsolete style of threat used by the false religions claiming Christians what we all need to focus on is the WORKS of FAITH that leads to everlasting life and know how to avoid the WORKS of flesh that leads to destruction!
Whether permanent death or torment it's evildoers that will be punished not righteous so i can't just decipher why most people push this aside only to focus on the teachings of torment after death!

it's the evil nature of humans to see people tormented while they stand aside watching

Ken4Christ:
There are so many people who don't believe that hell is real even among professing believers and some religious sects. But it is real. The very teachings of our Lord Jesus affirms its reality. I want to use this opportunity to begin to unveil the teachings of our Lord Jesus on this subject.

Before I begin, I will like to mention different synonyms used for hell in the course of Christ teachings. They are;

1. Hell
2. Hell fire
3. Furnace of fire.
4. Fire.
5. Everlasting fire.
6. Fire that is not quenched.
7. Outer darkness.

They were all used figuratively like parables.
The literal meaning of these synonyms is death or grave.
Remember, Adam and Even sinned from the beginning and death came, that death is what Jesus meant by hell fire.
It's simply a state of not believing in Christ.
For the Jews who didn't believe but keep burning fire and sacrificing and salting animals to preserve it from decay all for attornment of their sins, that was the hell fire Jesus meant

Mark 9:49 For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.

It's a parable statement or figurative statement that applies to all religions who didn't believe in Christ including the Jews who had the old Abrahamic covenant