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Why are you obsessed with the Christian God. Why not talk about this your new found religion.

Anyway workch is a Christian in disguise. You're still in denial.

Workch:
I have got another church ignoramus to educate today

And you have presumed I'm not an intellect? How?

Just say this thread is for delusional atheists period.

Workch:
Move away, thread is meant for intellects. People who can actually discuss real topics

I'm sorry for misconstruing your intentions all this while. I actually thought you were making a mockery of Christianity. After watching this video, I was forced to look up your flying spaghetti monster religion. I'm still very shook.

My conclusion, you're not a Nigerian at all. I'm still wrapping my head around this..my thoughts though, you should preach this religion to those women in the market, the ones with the wide waist. You're im need of serious spanking... like I'm still in shock.

Pastafari:
Permesan be upon him, ramen. We are the fastest growing religion in the world


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OBUOz6aEZA

@workch is obsessed with God. Everyday you talk about him. Every day, what is it?

If you don't believe he exists why talk about him? It seems you're fighting your inner conscience.

The youths that have already joined politics what change have they brought other than to be used as pawns to keep the old ones in power. Useless people.

You're welcome.. salute.

Lizlee:
Ok World Health Organization

You are obeying constituted authority but you reject national anthem?

You don't accept blood transfusion but vaccine is a yes. Interesting.

MaxInDHouse:
Please when talking about conspiracy theories know that it's misinformed Churchgoers that are confused not real Christians (Jehovah's Witnesses) as i'm talking to you now almost 80% of the entire population of JWs globally has been vaccinated because we are working round the globe to make sure we abide by the orders issued by the authorities! Romans 13:1-4

We only go against constituted authorities when they demand for what rightfully belongs to our God! Act 4:18-20

Apart from what rightfully belongs to our God we must give Caesar's things to Caesar! Matthew 22:21

I'm happy you said this. The question is how many people has Covid 19 killed in Nigeria? We know it can be prevented, we know we have to boost our immunity.


We also know that medical science errors are not reparable. However, they also can be prevented through caution.

Yes people will die certainly at the right time. But some deaths can be prevented with caution and the right attitude. If someone says I have a cure for something, the logical question is "Does it work?"

If it works, you also wonder if the cure does more damage than the sickness. We shouldn't play ignorance because we are educated. Asking questions and showing scepticism is part of human intelligence. That's why if a writer publishes a book, there will always be a critic or sceptic. It doesn't mean they are unintelligent, it just shows, they have the ability to see the things people miss. Whether you agree with their analysis or not is inconsequential. The important part is, are they stating fact or just trolling.

So I always tell people to look deeper. Don't take things hook, line and sinker.

helinues:
Before the COVID, have people not been dying?

Before the vaccines for COVID, have other medical treatments not been going wrong?

How many lives would have lost without the intervention of COVID?

Have there been anything 100% accurate?

Christians have a reason to be weary of 666. Just like you are weary of conspiracy. What they believe to be true is conspiracy for you. What is true for you is conspiracy for them. Everyone has their belief system and I think we should respect that. I am a Christian, and like I said I don't know how the 666 will come. However, that is not my reason for being suspicious of the vaccine.

Like I said, I did a lot of digging and I'm still researching. I quantify the risk and gain before subscribing to anything. My reason for avoiding it is simply the adverse effects.

A lot of people have reported a lot of heart related problems with it and if anything affects the heart, then it should be looked at closely. You can't do a heart transplant and that leaves the person dead. So what is the effect of the vaccine on the heart in the next 5 to 20 years. Will people develop heart attacks before they clock 40?

helinues:
If people can believe the 666 sign which is another conspiracy theory, not surprised about the Vaccines conspiracy theory

Don't go there, if you did not understand what I wrote. I have nothing to discuss about 666. I don't know what it is and how it would come. I was talking about people's scepticism towards the vaccine. Thank you.

helinues:
What is 666 to start with?

Funny you, Özlem Türeci is the Chief Medical Officer and Co-founder of BioNTech. She's not even the person who discovered mRNA..mtchew.

They have credited covid vaccine to people like
Kathlyn Kariko
Drew Weissman

These two did not discover Covid vaccine however, they were actively involved in the research of mRNA which obviously had been rejected several times since it was first discovered in the 60s. They were involved in research trying to turn mRNA to vaccines. By the way they are not even sure they have succeeded because. Thanks to you guys taking the vaccine, they will be getting their observations.
Uğur Şahin (CEO BioNtech) - he is a business man billionaire.

The mRNA vaccines were in study and certainly not for covid19. They only used the opportunity to push this vaccine out because people desperately needed a solution for covid19. Do your research and stop following news channels. Deep research involves journals and not government news. Like I said there is not one person that invented Covid19 vaccine. And this mRNA drug is very controversial, I will suggest you study its long history. Till date, they refused to disclose what exactly comprises of mRNA, what type of technology it is..the closest definition of mRNA is that it is a molecule comprising of mRNA, that's an obvious block.

Lizlee:
Özlem Türeci is the woman behind a leading COVID vaccine.

So what are you saying?

The point is people are sceptical about the vaccines. Whether its because they believe is 666 behind it or Bill Gate, it is inconsequential. The point is people don't just trust it. Here's why?

Its new, people don't easily accept change.
History, people don't know who are behind the vaccines. If you search for Inventors of vaccines whether polio, meningitis, hepatitis, etc. There is always someone behind it. Covid19 vaccine turns up blank, Why?

History again, there has been negative consequences of using these experiment vaccines in recent times. Its not so far away, Kano is a good example. Before you check other countries.

Again, History of the disease, if you can answer honestly, what exactly is the root cause of Covid, apart from transmission, everything else is blank.

Adverse effects and deaths, why are they underreported. The fact that you don't have any symptoms now doesn't leave you in the clear. Unless you are in denial. Nobody knows the long term effects of the vaccine, the short term effects are not encouraging considering the blood clots and heart failure that go with it. And that is just a few.

Again, do you know what exactly is in the vaccine. If you have done your research, you will know that the info is patented. Nobody is privy to the main ingredients of the vaccine. So you don't know exactly what is in it.

Again, whistleblowers from these vaccine companies have called these companies out for endangering people's lives. I'll advise you to check out Project Veritas, it's not a conspiracy platform. It has been revealed that the vaccines contain fetal cells from aborted fetus. The fact that they are hiding this information from the public makes it even more very sceptical.

The mRNA technology they keep whitewashing has raised many objections in previous years. If you did your research, you would know that mRNA started its journey over 30 years ago. It never got approval because of the challenges with this medicine. There were many health concerns and how they managed to push this out even makes it very suspicious.

Anyway, again the fact that nobody will be held liable is another cause for concern. So it goes beyond the 666, new world order, or depopulation agenda. Mistrust breeds conspiracy and unless questions are answered, the conspiracy won't go away any time soon.

If there is anything Africans or Nigerians are not is conspiracy theorists. No Nigerian wants to die, we drink the most bitter herbs and nobody questions where the leaves are plucked or even their names. If Covid 19 was flooding the streets like you see malaria or cold during the cold season, you would see people on the queue for the vaccine. We have our own issues, insecurity, poverty, unemployment and the least of them is Covid. Despite the way the media parades the vaccines, Nigeria still has the least cases. And I even know a number of people who were given false positive results which obviously was included in NCDC statistics. They'll do the first test which shows positive, only to take a second and it ends up negative. It only goes to show how very unreliable the PCR tests are. Not saying people don't get Covid, but again its not on Nigeria's hit list.

Good luck you took the vaccine and I hope it wears out of your system quickly. However, its your choice if you want to add boosters to it. I will advise you do your research and not follow blindly. Nobody was born with knowledge, we all learn it. Don't let anyone tell you they are more intelligent than you. If you can read, then obviously you can search for the truth.

Lizlee:
Ok, so I've been wondering why a whole lot of people think the vaccine will initiate them into a cult or 666. I am vaccinated and I can assure you that there is nothing to fear. Jeez. I wonder why a whole lot of people believe that musicians sacrifice their "souls" to the devil in order to be successful. And some people even believe that Bill Gates is behind COVID-19.

Workch behave...lol. Why do you like looking for trouble. Show your face.

Lizlee:
If you have been looking for the Satanic Bible to boost your spiritual life. Look no further and download the book for free:
Click the link and get the PDF.
It's free, it's real, it's legit.
https://www.pdfdrive.com/the-satanic-bible-e57971973.html

I got the correct link from a reply I saw on a post few minutes ago.

Thank you, peggywebbs, you are a darling.

You're welcome but don't join them I beg


Lol

SSIPON:
Thank you so much.

Read the book
https://www.pdfdrive.com/the-satanic-bible-e57971973.html

SSIPON:
A friend sent it to me and I lost it few days ago. The book is really interesting. Please send an email if you have a copy. Thanks and God bless. The name of the book is, "The Satanic Bible".

@SSIPON, I was about to respond until I realised I know nothing about this. You've given me something to research on that has sparked my interest.

I'm happy you came to my page. As you can see I'm not a religious fanatic and I don't claim to know all. I obviously set up this thread to understand what I wanted to understand better. I threw a question open to learn from others what I don't know of.

And to your issue, you set your thread on the general religion section meaning it is open for everyone. I don't post on the Muslim thread and I respect the instructions there.

I don't think I have said anything offending to you..I only pointed out my opinion on your topic. If you didn't agree with it or didn't like it, you could have simply ignored my rantings.


Anyway, I will be happy if you can also contribute to my thread to know what exactly you think of the end time revelation and the signs we see today.

Kokaine:
Here you are trying to demystify your bible that is greatly laden with myraids of inconsistencies and scientific improbabilities. But you will leave the log of wood in your eyes and run to any Islamic page to educate Muslims about Islam and bid'a. If hypocrisy is the hope you have to gain paradise, then you better not be resurrected after your death. You better remain as dust.

Blackmail?


So you're claiming Sunnah Muslims didn't attack Shia? Like they do in Pakistan, Iran, Northern Nigeria and other extremist Muslim parts.


Your saying that bokoharam, iswap, al qaeda, Isis, and their counterparts are also a blackmail?

You have just justified your islamophobia. Even you terrorise your fellow Muslims. If you can't live in peace with them, is it possible to live with others with far different beliefs?

Why bring Israel in the matter? Do I look like an Israelite? Are we talking about Israel or islamophobia?

In my conclusion you are a terrorist if you choose to deny all this wrongs. (Full stop)

AntiChristian:
So you mean Afghanistan killed them all but subtly allowed Qatar to airlift them without stopping them too?
Probably this is done by Christians or Jews from USA to blackmail Afghanistan.
Except if you have the names of the bombers and evidences that they did it.

And what about Israel the Jewish country of Jesus killing Palestinians? Bring footage too from their O hypocrite!

Yes, no fear it's all peace.

This happened all within 24hours.

Dozens of people have been killed and more than 50 wounded after multiple bomb blasts hit a mosque in southern Afghanistan today.

Three explosions rocked the Fatemieh mosque in Kandahar, the largest Shiite place of worship in the city, during Friday prayers - with witnesses saying one blast hit the main entrance and another hit an area where worshippers wash themselves.

Qari Sayed Khosti (Taliban Interior Ministry Spokesman)


Disturbing video:

https://twitter.com/SmritiS24856750/status/1448951040309481473?t=JKM8z2-iyKYlpskHPRKlXQ&s=19

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2021/10/15/explosion-hits-shia-mosque-in-afghanistans-kandahar

Around 100 footballers were evacuated from Afghanistan to Doha on Thursday, including female players.

Qatar's government worked with Fifa, football's world governing body, to co-ordinate the rescue effort, according to a source close to the operation
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/58920686

AntiChristian:
Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman wrote:
Medically, consistent intake of Alcohol is harmful to the body but when a Muslim says it, he becomes a fanatic.

"Smokers are liable to die young " is clearly written on cigarette packs but when a Muslim preaches against it, he becomes an extremist.

The Bible calls Jesus servant of God in Matthew 12:18, Acts 3:13 and 26. But when a Muslims calla him a servant of God he becomes an anti-Christ.

The Arabic word ألله Allah is used to refer to the creator in the Arabic Bible (also Hausa Bible) and Arab Christians (also some Hausa Christians) use it but when Muslims call the creator Allah, the creator becomes an idol and moon god ( أعوذ بالله من الشيطان الرجيم).

So, when I say 3+3 is not =6 but 5+1=6 so far it is about misunderstanding Islam, this is a very simple explanation.
Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman

Benjamin Adebisi replied:
"Islamophobia is an established phenomenon.
You didn't put, when a guy keeps beard, he is a beard gang and hippie but when a Muslim keeps beards, he is Osama Bin Laden and a Terrorist.
Muslims bare persecuted really and that's the fact.
They label Sharia 'Wrong' because it forbids Alcohol sales and Pornography, which are Multibillion industries in the West, so what do you expect?
Simple truth is that you're disturbing their Business.
I am a Christian and I know these."
Lucas Bashir concludes: "...and the refutation of Islamophobes continues..."

Hmm all of this because I tied your religion to Arab? Like I said a faulty foundation doesn't bear good fruits. I have nothing against Islam. I grew up with family friends that were and still have very close friend that are Muslims. In fact I grew up following them to mosque and ilekewu.

So I don't need to know that there are good people. However, I only associate their love and kindness to their person. If you are good then you are regardless of your tribe or religion.

However, my only argument is that the said criminals still cling confidently to the pages of your Quran. Bringing out one good page in defence, does not negate the multiple pages that promote killing of other people.

I never condemned the religion, I only pointed out that the said criminals do not believe they are committing a crime as they are following direct instructions from the book. So dissociating from them is simple denying that those pages don't exist.

So again I will tell you to seek truth and stop defending religion. I have a common saying here, God is not a Christian or a Muslim. He won't judge you for being any either. Instead he will judge us for every our deeds. They are written they will bear witness for or against us. However, in our course of worshipping the one true God, we should not fail to point out the wrong we see and even read. It is our choice not to follow those practices that within our conscience tells us it is wrong. Denying the existence of the negative pages does not speak truth. Again I said a bad foundation does not bear good fruits. If those pages continue to exist, the said criminals will continue to follow the words of the book strictly, and in their defense they have committed no crime.

Kokaine:
First, the religion of Islam is not owned by Arabians. I just stated how American scholars and scientists are well represented in the population of Muslims now. That means an Arabian with a turban can go to hellfire too if he doesn't act correctly. Khassogi was killed by Arabians don't forget, and Dubai is also an Arabian place.

2. You wouldn't exactly be in the right position to educate me about innovation or bid'a in Islam. What you have described now is quite a comedy when put into perspective of what bid'a is.

3. This address is to Muslims primarily, so I made use of some Arabic terms that you do not understand. If you did, it answers the points you raised about some parts of the Qur'an. Its quite a history, it cannot be dissolved in a few lines here especially where the motive is purely that of a debate and not necessarily an honest desire to know why Americans and Britons are well represented in the same Islam you think is designed to deprive non Muslims of their rights. Or why it would even be allowed in such a reserve for highly educated people in Harvard school of law. Or why muslims scientists would dare to discuss scientific evidences discovered in the Qur'an only recently with the use of complex scientific tools. Like I said. Its for very brilliant and enlightened people to investigate in the light of modern scientific tools and methods that clarifies arguements.
So don't be surprised if an almajiri falls short of this characteristic. Or some political urchin who has a scheme and desire. He may just be a misfit to interpret the same texts students are studying in Harvard school of law.

Our educational system failed in Nigeria that's why our debates are mostly founded on mediocrity. Everything here is slaughtered on the alter of sentiments and mediocrity and that's why all our discourses and exchanges are always replete with display of ignorance, fallacies, unwanton use of emotions, fraught with insults. If you check what you wrote to me now, it doesn't take a professor to see through the fact that you are trying to discuss bid'a with the same authority as an Islamic scholar from Harvard, whereas in reality, all you know about it can at best be described as beer-palour facts and points.

Mind you, I'm not writing this long epistle because of you. I normally won't be answering or discussing with you after reading the part you wrote "I can safely conclude that blah blah blah" you already gave me a profile of yourself to work with and I wouldn't endure furthering any discourse beyond what necessity demands.

Rather, my response is another opportunity to give further insights to brilliant minds who may be reading this and gain something from it. I don't really expect you to understand it. So you shouldn't bother raising any further concerns because these topics are better discussed with well travelled, exposed and objective people.

I usually enjoy healthy talks on forums like quora where the people are mostly foreigners and well travelled Nigerians. Not this nairaland that every dummy with a phone in a thick village has a major say as long as he can back his point with insults. I mean just read comments yourself and tell me if you are proud of the way we discuss religion here with no single sense of decorum

I would have asked you some basic science questions about how light, sight and reflection on water surfaces work. Then I would refer you to this verse of the Quran that describes a fact of this import.

That you a Nigerian don't see it or want to reason it out, does not mean a brilliant foreigner with no sentiments when it comes to objectivity, will not look critically into it.

Now this verse describes a person in the vast deep sea, been unable to see his hand as close it is to him. Oceanology is a modern science that was not available at the time of the prophet (saw)

Beyond a certain depth of the sea, where the wàves are most, all visible light rays àre completely reflected away. And you know how our sight is a function of light. Who in 1400 years ago could access the deep seas to know exactly that all visible light rays are reflected off? And that inside the seas (not surface) still has waves layers upon layers? It was only discovered when science had advanced to oceanology.

And there are many other facts discovered by foreign scientists who became Muslims on account of these discoveries. So taking a pill from your own medicine, are you more intelligent than these Americans? Or are you more religious than the ones who accepted Islam after due diligence was observed in investigating facts from myths? Or are you more Catholic than the popes who visited Islamic countries and shook hands of peace and accord with Muslims? Or have you seen the pope associate himself with some fetish occultist traditions? Do you know more than these people and world rulers who have spoken well of Islam and commiserated with Muslims on special holidays and celebration like sallah? Is your opinion more important? Or you are more brilliant than the authorities in America that allowed sharia law to be studied in Harvard? Or Muslims soldiers to wear hijab? Or students? Which one are you better than?

These are not topics for mediocres. The almajiri or mallams in sokoto or Arabians may not know these that I have just said.



4. Islam will thrive whether you love it or not. The population of Muslims in the western communities is large. People know the right things. Some don't. Some do the wrong things to gain a worldly benefit. At the end of it all, we are all answerable to Allah for the choices we made. Whether a fulani man or Arabian or American, it doesn't matter before Allah.

@kokaine as much as your intention is good. I don't think you know more than the Arabs that own their religion. If the violence was tied to just a group of people, I would agree with you that they are criminals. However, this terror is deeply rooted from the foundation of the religion. Unless you are trying innovation which is forbidden in your practice. I can safely conclude that the criminals you tag are one and the same with the religion.

Don't just bring out the good part, this book also contains the parts to kill and so the alleged criminals have their defense. If I were you, I will seek the truth. Don't defend what is bad. If the foundation is bad, the fruit cannot be good. I mean no disrespect but I'm just pointing out the clear facts.

Unless you're just trying to create a debate... there are lots of resources, real accounts of people that worship Satan

https://youtu.be/4ZNuO2jITTk


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There are deeper research but I really don't like people who hate to do the work. Just like with secret societies, Rosicrucian and other secret forms of worship, you will hardly get the true picture of what they do until you are in it.

They paint the church of Satan online to be colorful and about freedom. How else do you think they will attract members to themselves. Their victims are those that have tried religion and lost faith in it. So they tell you no strings attached, they are not really tieing you to religion so you won't feel obligated.

They made Anton Lavey look like a comical clown when in reality his original profession was a police photographer. I can't do all the work for you, but if you are really curious, I hope you take a deep look at the topic starting from.

Who is satan

Where there early Satanists?

What where their practices?

The complete live and biography of Anton Lavey

How he wrote the satanic bible

Read the satanic bible

Find out about the church of Satan and their black masses

Look online for confessions from former Satanists. Avoid the ones from Africa, they are just doing pastorprinoral advertisement.


Reading Wikipedia, blog articles and the rest will only give you a decorative approach of Satan worship. They will turn what is actually a religious practice to deceive people that they are free thinkers and not tied to any belief system. That is why they are shrouded in secrecy. We all know that secret things are never good. The church of Satan is an occult society, tied to the more powerful occult world. They are all related even though they come in different names.


Read this

https://www.history.com/.amp/topics/1960s/satanism

Read the book
https://www.pdfdrive.com/the-satanic-bible-e57971973.html

Watch the video
https://youtu.be/HqHQLwdmwPI

XXXXTENTACION:
Post evidence to justify your claim....
and do you also know that the man who founded the church of satan was an atheist named Anthony Lavey and his main philosophy was individualism...
Satan is merely used as symbol to represent such philosophies....
their Ten commandments on wikipedia does not even mention satan but focuses more on rules to help you become successful...
it is even stated on their website www.churchofsatan.com that they don't believe in satan...

I think you are wrong. I have read their satanic bible, at least some part of it and they really worship Satan. There are also Satanists who have confessed to doing certain spiritual practices. I think you need to go deeper in your research. I already did several years ago and yes they worship Satan. You won't find all of their practices on Wikipedia or the likes. You need to go deeper.

Yeah goodluck... I just hope you know when you join Islam you can't leave. You will be killed for doing so.

At least nobody is forcing to stay a Christian and I don't think anyone cares realy. It's your choice, thank God you saw your own light wishing you all the best in your journey.

rushlife:
Am an Igbo young man who realized that I don't want to be a Christian any longer, having baptized as a Christian. I was born into a Christian family, catholic to be precise. Honestly Christianity is the darkness, I have been ignorant all these years, I have been a fool. I earnestly want to convert to Islam as quick as possible, I need help on how to do about it. I really need to save my soul before it's too late. Christianity isn't real, the whites European would explain their deceit on us and how they mentally apprehended us to believe all their forgeries about Christianity existence. Please I need help on my conversion.

Here's what I will tell you. If you want to enjoy the best of life, nothing stops you. You can can live in that fancy mansion, drive the best cars, go around the world. But you see, don't interfere in people's beliefs. Its okay if you don't believe but mocking what you don't know is really dangerous.

A wise person knows not to dabble in things that don't concern them. However, just so you know, there are implications of mocking not only your creator but also spirits, you don't want to find out.

Like I said, enjoy what life has to offer, and leave people's beliefs alone.

Pastafari:
Hello guys, I am new on the page. I'm a pastafarian.
Who's a pastafarian? A pastafarian is someone that believes only in the one and only true God, the Flyinng Spaghetti Monster.

We have been living in darkness and chaos until the holy monster decided to boil for our sins in 2005. Today, we are saved and we can say for sure that he has been stretching forth his noodly appendages to blessing us with pasta and meatballs ever since.

He's an interesting creator that you will find so fascinating to serve. Drop your inquiries and let's talk about the gospel of the flying spaghetti monster.

Permesan be upon him, r'amen.

Is that what they told you or the PCR?

What drugs were you given I'm curious o. Just share your experience.

Carlmax:
I was amongst the doubters of Covid in Nigeria until I tested positive two weeks ago and fell ill. ... It is no 419.

No It's 72 virgins and that's paradise don't take it lightly. Did you also know that the men also get mansions made of pearl and they have slaves to beckon to 24/7.

I still don't know what they have for women though considering the men are promised freshly created beautiful women with big eyes and big breasts. I guess paradise wasn't made for the women on earth.

The irony of life and some people will still defend this lunacy.

Hope you realize you just repeated what I said. Please try and understand my statement before criticising me.

fof1:
I Disagree with You, Pls.
Being Born Again means the Spirit of God...The Holy Spirit Resides in You...and Reveals Himself through You.Demons or Evil Spirits can not OCCUPY You EXCEPT U Return to Sinful Ways - Backslides...then U may be Open to Strange Spirits and Manipulations of Satan. Operations of incubbus and Succubus is a very Complex Spiritual Dimension...Pls. Read Ur Bible and be Properly Guided and Free from Daily Sining and their Operations.

Dtruthspeaker:
We are not talking about sin, BUT ABOUT CHRIST AND DEMONS LIVING TOGETHER IN A PERSON LIKE ROOMMATES, IS
IMPOSSIBLE!

Yes it is still possible, when you sin you are still open to the vices of the devil. Having the Holy Spirit is like having a conscience, if you don't listen to the Holy Spirit and still sin, you grieve the Holy Spirit. You are very much going to be open to demonic manipulation.

If you are born again and you try to avoid sin, no you can't be possessed. Demons need legal authority to gain access. When you don't give them that authority with sin, they can't come in.

peggywebbs:
Yes you are born of water and spirit. But you can still be corrupted.


2 Peter 2:20 If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and are overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning.


You were told that your foolish desires will destroy you and that you must give up your old way of life with all its bad habits. Let the Spirit change your way of thinking and make you into a new person. You were created to be like God, and so you must please him and be truly holy. We are part of the same body. Stop lying and start telling each other the truth. Don't get so angry that you sin. Don't go to bed angry If you are a thief, quit stealing. Be honest and work hard, so you will have something to give to people in need. Stop all your dirty talk. Say the right thing at the right time and help others by what you say. Don't make God's Spirit sad. The Spirit makes you sure that someday you will be free from your sins. Stop being bitter and angry and mad at others. Don't yell at one another or curse each other or ever be rude. Instead, be kind and merciful, and forgive others, just as God forgave you because of Christ.
Ephesians 4:22‭-‬26‭, ‬28‭-‬32 CEV
https://bible.com/bible/392/eph.4.22-32.CEV


Even after you are born again, you still have a lot of work to do. Remember we are flesh and our human desires get in the way. So its still very possible to sin and be exposed to the vices of the devil.

Yes you are born of water and spirit. But you can still be corrupted.


2 Peter 2:20 If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and are overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning.


You were told that your foolish desires will destroy you and that you must give up your old way of life with all its bad habits. Let the Spirit change your way of thinking and make you into a new person. You were created to be like God, and so you must please him and be truly holy. We are part of the same body. Stop lying and start telling each other the truth. Don't get so angry that you sin. Don't go to bed angry If you are a thief, quit stealing. Be honest and work hard, so you will have something to give to people in need. Stop all your dirty talk. Say the right thing at the right time and help others by what you say. Don't make God's Spirit sad. The Spirit makes you sure that someday you will be free from your sins. Stop being bitter and angry and mad at others. Don't yell at one another or curse each other or ever be rude. Instead, be kind and merciful, and forgive others, just as God forgave you because of Christ.
Ephesians 4:22‭-‬26‭, ‬28‭-‬32 CEV
https://bible.com/bible/392/eph.4.22-32.CEV


Even after you are born again, you still have a lot of work to do. Remember we are flesh and our human desires get in the way. So its still very possible to sin and be exposed to the vices of the devil.

tctrills:
Jesus explained that to be born again means to be born of water and the spirit. Possessed?

If one is born of the spirit of God, can he be

You see the problem I have with you? It's not that you don't read the bible enough. It's because you are closed minded to the things of God. Every conversation is a bible debate and you ignore the reality of what you see.

You remind me of the doubting Thomas. Because you have not seen, so you don't believe. Like I said, unless you explore the deliverance ministry, you can't really argue out the reality of things. In fact quote Genesis to Revelation.
It won't change the fact that if you are open to sin, even just one minor sin, the Devil can take that opportunity to penetrate. Like I said, if you really want to know the truth, go and do deep research into the deliverance ministry and don't just come here for a verbal debate.

Dtruthspeaker:
So Mathew 12: 43-45, or 2 Corinthians 6:14 or John 1:5-9, do not tell you that That Christ is incompatible with demons?

Demons only invade a person who does not have Christ in them