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FreeStuffsNG:
Congratulations to HE Atiku.
This event is nice, colourfful but with average attendance that seemed bored listening to what some described as the familar but muffled rhethorics by HE Atiku every 4 years .

God willing, please watch out for the official declaration by Asiwaju Tinubu.

That day Asiwaju Tinubu will officially declare to contest for the Presidency of our fatherland will be the mother of all declarations because it will not be boycotted by sitting governors like the 13 PDP governors did by ignoring HE Atiku's declaration today.

The day that Asiwaju Tinubu will officially declare shall be a day that will be divinely ordained, there shall be no Jew or Gentile or slave but freeborns of this land, the declaration will be delivered with the focused human face Asiwaju Tinubu's signature of both humility and gratitute to God for the Gift of life and talents and to you for the opportunity to serve this great nation with your support and vote.

The message will rekindle hope and patriotism, will be epic, poignant, surreal, loud, the message will be clear and, like the balm of Gilead will soothe a throbbing heart and like a gospel, the Good news will be recieved by a yearning mass movement in attendance and the reverberation taken to all the nooks and crannies of this great nation.

Our Green and White national colours will once again come alive and truly glow invoking our national pride. Every word will be a contract to serve you and Nigeria with all his heart, intellect, mind, soul and his God-given all.

Asiwaju Tinubu is the brilliant visionary leader the job needs. Please support Asiwaju Tinubu.
Thank you.

May God bless you and may God bless Nigeria for ever.

On the mandate of Asiwaju Tinubu I stand.
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Nice write up. Sounds suspiciouly like a form of George Orwells Animal Farm anthem."Beasts of England"

For those who are willing to examine the matter again for the sake of the avoidance and misscariage of justice ,here are the challenges

the ifs-could sylvester have been saved?
Could sylvester have been delirious
Could the 5 boys be innocent of murder?
Could the 5 boys be guilty of bullying
Could the school or anyone else be guilty of cover up


The key word here is evidence.if you are cursing and shouting this part is not for you,it is for elders,the mature,the righteous those who want truth to prevail.

only then can we collectively define guilt and make sure it is spelt out so it never happens again in our land. that is the way out o this grief.

All accusations of those boys must stop and anyone with any evidence should speak up or you forever bear in the guilt of the matter.

Those are my thoughts,I apologize ahead I may not have free time today to reply to comments

There are 5 stages in grief. Denial,Anger,Bargaining,Guilt and Acceptance

The stage dont necessarily come in any order,they may come at any time,and one may spend as long as they need to on each phase however it ends with acceptance. The Oromonis and Nigeria as a whole have expressed anger, and we all appear stuck in the anger phase. Angry that a child so young has gone

However there is this danger no matter how slight it is we must all explore it, that in this collective grief over the late sylvester we may be condemning the lives of 5 young men,and their house masters. If there is any doubt at all that they are not not guilty we must pause our anger and bargain in this grief,but to refuse to move from anger in the event where lives are at risk (young lives for that matter,probably innocent ones ) that would be a shame to all of us. That means we want 5 boys sacrificed on the alter of jungle justice to appease our anger and grief. What kind of people would that make us? what kind of family would that make the oromonis?

The response

Public response: Jungle justice has moved from the street to social media,there was a clamour for justice,but the institutional one,there was public outcry for the school to be burnt,the 5 boys found and harmed,there were calls for protest at the school,e.t.c The parents at this time had not even reported a case to the police,attention was drawn to this,the oromonis filed a case , it appears to be a murder case against the 5 boys,

The school: The school conducted its preliminary investigation as it should and ruled,there was no report or evidence of bullying against the victim.Neither the Late sylvester of his sister who attended the same school had reported at any time to anyone he had been bullied. 3 of the boys sylvester mentioned were noted not to be around at either the time of the said bullying,or football or both not all were boarding students,this part is very very important, because the key fact we are all using is the late slyvesters dying confession

The Goverment and the NPF- Despite their clear knowledge that a coroners autopsy is the only ground to charge or file or even investigate for murder(lawyers in the house help with the investigate part) they had these boys,and 2 of their house masters remanded in Nigerian Juvvy and Jail for invetisgation for murder,their passports were seized too.They were branded as possible murders to the entire world

The background medical perspective
I am going to write this part as simply as possible so we can all follow;
Sepsis means there is bacteria in the blood. This results in the bacteria spreading all over the body, Any basic infection that has a bacterial background if not treated can turn to sepsis, so a simple cough and catarrh, boil, diarrhea, pimple, witlow, leg wound, anything caused by bacteria can lead to sepsis, the key word though here is when not treated. When it has reached the blood we call it septicaemia-sepsis in the blood.
Sepsis can affect all organs when not treated, and this will lead to eventual failure of that organ. the kidneys present with pus in the kidneys (pyelonephritis) ,the kidenys may and commonly fails,with or without pyelonephritis, the lungs may present with bacteria in the lungs,(pneumonia), the brain (bacterial meningitis) ,the liver liver failure e.t.c. It also leads to rapid reduction in the Red cells, what you call blood level.

Renal failure and low blood especially to the brain can cause delirium, (its like what yorubas call iranran commonly seen in malaria,) that is to tell you delirium is pretty common in childhood illness ( we will come back to this point later).This means the person may jumble up facts together,they may be true,half true or not true at all,the words said in delirium should be taken with a pinch of salt.

Sepsis usually arises from poor treatment ,either the antibiotics are not right for the strain of bacteria, or the dose is insufficient ,not used correctly, or not used at all.It requires Intravenous antibiotics,so you are sure the right dose is getting directly to the where the bacteria is, it must be given at the right time, and progress followed strictly to ensure treatment is working
In this day and age of antibiotics,no one should die of sepsis

Ankle injury could be , a sprain ,or a fracture, Treatment is resting the area and making sure a patient rests it for a while,that is why you apply casts even where there is no fracture.Some drugs to reduce swelling must be administered . If this is not done it gets worse.
We now know the late young man had both sepsis and an ankle injury with no treatment

Black substance in stomach, it takes less than 48 hrs or the stomach and intestine to clear whatever a person swallows,if a black substance was seen on autopsy more than 7 days later, where did it come from? and could this have been the black liquid that the child refered to?

I woke up this morning with a promise to myself to write a piece and publish on Nairaland. The Piece was to have a title;

Slyvester Oromini; the collective grief and shame of a Nation

Since I do not have time to reply to comments if i do make an original post,This post will just have to do.
My qualifications to write us this include been a medical Dr,a Governance system administrator,a speaker of truth and an elder in the community based in Nigeria

This is the perspective I choose to put out there off my own volition.

The background scenario
1- Sylvesters parents were summoned to pick up their Son who presented at the sick bay with an ankle injury and some other symptom which we are all not clear of. The school identified there was a sick child that needed further care in the custody of his parents.It took said parents 2 days to pick u the child

2.The injury reported by the school was an ankle injury,which goes against later claims by the father that he sustained injuries and possibly the ankle injury from belts and kicks all over his body,no welts(line on the body from belts were seen,no soft tissue swelling on the body was identified on the xray from the kicks) only the ankle injury,why just the ankle? ,which ironically is more in keeping with a football injury.

3.He was not treated immediately as advised by the school,he however had some time spent on an xray,some hot balm, and massage, during some days spent s in the south west before the warri trip by road.It appears from diverse narratives this took about 2 days,during which we have no record of the most basic full blood count,or any other test save the xray,requested for at whoose request ,(not clear) but no medical Dr or Hospital has taken responsibility at this stage,over 48 hrs later

4.Said boy with ankle injury and unknown illness travels for 6-8 hrs plus traffic time by road with an ankle injury,arrives warri limping.Still no record of Full medical care evidenced by laboratory investigation and an attempt at a diagnosis in any hospital, although we do know his liver was enlarged which is a symptom in many thing from malaria to sepsis, We have now learned that a particular hospital that would have been used had no bed space, please note that money was not the problem,some time appear to have been spent in church though.Amount of time not clear however there was No record of any treatment or tests received save antimalarials ,xrays ,hot balm and massage throughout this illness so far to the best of our knowledge

5.Lastly we see and hear of pictures of a very sick child with bloated body parts,peeled lips, and a dying testimony of been beaten by school seniors and made to swallow something black and not having played football.This appears to have been at least 1 week after the child left school with an ankle injury and other unclear symptom which did not show on his body physically.He had no other treatment so far to our knowledge save the antimalarials,hot balm and massage.

6. A pathologist was contacted in warri to establish cause of death,we are not sure of what he did so far ,however we know he opened the late sylvesters stomach and identified a black fluid (more than 7 days after his initial complain in school) and concluded he had corrosive..... not sure of the exact words, as the Oromonis refused to tender his report for investigations at the inquest,and someone mentioned somewhere with a link as evidence his preliminary report has been changed.


7.This led to a spiral of events that led to the Orominis (armed with the dying confession and pathology evidence)accusing the school of bullying which led to his death,on the basis o which the Lagos State Government and the Police force had the 5 boys ,remanded and investigated on murder charges in a juvenile prison at christmass, (This happened under the watch o lagos) about 2 housemasters were also locked up in a real prison with real inmates,(not sure which prison at the moment) ,the school been closed around school exam times with all the students at home,and a social media mob calling for jungle justice on 5 boys and their families . Please note Nigerian juvenile prison is worse than your average prison abroad

That concludes what we know so far of the background,anyone with corrections or clarifications can please do so because this becomes the basis for critical thinking and review of the response on this matter

That said the case of bullying can still be opened and investigated properly under the child rights act.thatbis other students testify in a closed trial etc

But not as a murder case.Thats the difference

chigator2:
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BluntTheApostle
Eketem
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This is the report from your preferred Coroner. The one that did a "professional" job right ??

Ask him why he refused to test the blackish substance found in Sylvester's body. He was able to mutilate and cut up the body so adeptly but couldn't run even a pH test on that fluid.

I told you guys that I received firsthand account from his fellow students that at least this boy was severely beaten with possibility of poisoning.

Maybe your relationship with the suspects and their families, or the complicity of yourselves and children in cases like this has eroded your conscience.
I repeat, It will reach you before the year runs out. Bank on that.

A causeless curse will never stand.May the Lord (Jehovah) protect all who speak and seek the truth and justice on this matter Amen.

That said You need to stop cursing and calmly state your case.Do you want the truth then focus on finding the truth

I'm glad the social media murder by bullying case appears to be reducing for these boys and the focus appears to now be on a poisoning case.

Let us all once again solemnly acknowledge the infamous role of the endsars protesters who thought it right to burn the only toxicology lab in west Africa during their recent end SARS protest.Those ones are complicit for why there cannot be a toxicology lab from Lasuth except it is flown abroad. Also thank the protesters for burning an MRI in lokoja so we know it's a protest thing in Nigeria.

But still in the spirit of ensuring we search for and speak the truth.Let us all try to wait for a toxicology result if any was sent abroad and it should have been.if it wasn't why did they do so? That's a gap that ought to be condemned as it would have addressed doubt such as those you rightly have .

That said do remember it took how many days (not sure but it appears it took at least 5 or days , estimated from the narrative of 2 days from late pick up from school, 1 day with cousin ,1 day travel time,at least 1 day in church or massage parlour or both,at least 1 day in the hospital) from the supposed swallowing of a substance to his eventual demise.

What would one really still expect to find in the stomach from the supposed poisoning by school bullies? Will black fluid from the previous 5 days -6 days still be in his stomach? Especially if he had been eating, drinking and clearing bowel quite fine for 5-6 days?

Could the narrative of a black fluid have come from a more recent event close to the time of his demise? Could the child have been delirious and mixed it all up? Doesn't also change the fact that it doesn't rule out he had a black liquid 5 or 6 days earlier.The issue here is the evidence and the truth.I repeat 3 of the boys he mentioned for said day were said not to even have been there so what is the truth?

I understand this story may be close to home for you. I understand the anger and grief. It was right for his parents to push for justice based on his words.I agree and support them on that. But we need to be sure in your grief you don't condemn innocent people especially when the evidence points otherwise that would be a double tragedy



Let's all seek the truth no matter how uncomfortable it is and ensure that innocent children do not suffer for a crime they did not commit

I apologize ahead if I do not respond to your mentions.You see I cleared my desk this morning to address this matter on nairaland as a moral duty.I can't promise same again.

May God grant you strength and peace at this trying time.stay strong.

OmoEpe:
They were never tried for murder only investigated and cleared. Anybody can be investigated including the parents as complainants

But that aside I agree and admire your submissions 100%. These SoroSoke generation have made Sanwoolu a scared chicken always walking on egg shells around their opinions

Thank you for your response.

I'm very sad for those boys who will obviously have to continue their lives abroad that everywhere they are asked have you ever been arrested for any charge they have to tick yes,plus their pictures are everywhere

I am saddened at the thought that they are most likely innocent. 3 were not even there. That all this could have been prevented.That it happened in our time under our watch and people are silent ,worse still some are still calling for their prosecution despite no evidence.And those who should respond are been very careful of an outspoken ignorant majority.

Where are those who speak the truth?

I advice every christian and those who seek to know christian faith on matters such as this to study what the bible says on Justice and truth.

You can do an internet search and see everywhere it shows up in scriptures.It matters.It defines a man and a Nation in physical and spiritual places

I'll conclude my comments with the words of Christ. You all read Matthew 23 ,23 the "weightier matters of the law " see it as the more important parts. Do this without neglecting others.

wirinet:
Why are you more concerned about justice for the Dowen boys instead of overall justice? What about justice for Sylvester and justice for the family? What about justice for the society as a whole?

In a normal society, an accusation should be enough for the police to invite the accused for questioning. My grouse with the Nigerian police is when the lock a suspect up for more than the 24hrs constitutionally allowed period and the annoying fact that the police arrests suspects before fishing for evidence. Most of the time by forcing the suspect to write a confessional statement.


This goes beyond MDCN. There is the issue of bullying, then there is the issue of murder/manslaughter. MDCN can only regulate professional conduct of doctors. It cannot determine bullying or even murder/manslaughter.


Signs of poisoning might have all disappeared 7 days after injestion of poisonous substance. The bodies excretion system most probably would have eliminated The poisonous substance from the system save microscopic traces. This particular poisoning is suspected to contain biological agents. So how do you determine the primary source of the septicemia that invaded all the vital body organs within 7 days?


Not all chemical poisons are corrosive. In fact most lethal chemical poisons are not corrosive at all. A few drops can kill you within a matter of hours. Then Biological poisons are not corrosive at all.

That's a general issue with the sorry state of professionalism in Nigeria. Incompetence is rife in all professions in Nigeria - civil engineering, medicine, accounting, etc.



That's why I am routing for the case to go to court where every witness would be examined and cross examined, ie class mates, Hall mates, house master, school nurse and doctor, and other parents and students who has had similar experience can be summoned to testify.

DOWEN boys are the examples of why this must not happen again.Plus I heard they spent Christmas in jail

Have you seen where people drank kerosene? They have inhalation and chemical burns in their oesophagus.In medicine it's advised you don't try to make them vomit so the same injury doesn't happen twice. To treat you stop them from eating anything that will pass food through the food pipe for a long while

How did this kind of injury affect the tougher stomach according to the so called 1st report but left a clean smooth and unaffected oesophagus.So you get the point now right? It's not about what the body can clear it's about the injury it leaves behind

When you say biological agents you mean like bacteria right,like maybe he drank something with pick a random one that causes sepsis say gram positive or negative? And there was no vomiting,no diarrhea he went home and was taken to church,a Dr saw and thought it could be malaria? It appears no FBC was done?


And of all person's to blame for his death we pick 5 kids that may have given him a biological substance ( bacteria) to drink in school is probably the reason?


The pathology report showed low blood to the brain.His words should have been taken with a pinch of salt if his Drs had done the most basic FBC.They may have realized this may have been delirium. I repeat 3 of those boys were said not to even have been around

I have seen delirious patients mannny they say a lot.a lot. imagine that been the only evidence used to arrest and try an innocent man for murder not to talk of kids.

I repeat bullying is different from manslaughter or murder.These are kids life on the block,do we not fear God? Even if you don't fear God are you not concerned of Karma?

If Nigeria wants to investigate bullying as regards those kids that's a different case entirely but not trying 5 kids and their house masters and locking them in jail at Christmas based solely on the words of a child (may God bless his soul) who was sick,with what appears to have been low blood in his body and brain at the time.

And the sad part is those who should have identified this at the most basic level did not,thereby causing a spiral of events leading here.

This story was just a sad case of misjustice.Everyone should tread carefully with uterances now if they trully fear God.Before the excuse was we did not have the facts.Now we do.How we all choose to respond individually is between us and God

Ficient:
All those involved in the death of that kid na Devil go kneel down behind their anus dey beg them. The child that died who has knelt down to beg the parents? No go let thunder destroy your destiny bcuz you want support your interest o.

There is a God.Jehovah is his name and he rules in the affairs of men.My interest is what he would want in this matter.Seek Justice and speak the truth. On this matter let us all stand in that.All those that find they pushed the wrong narratives had better go and go and correct it Or you think the kids parents too are not calling on God.Even if they are not what kind of country do you want to leave for your kids

A place where anyone can doom other people's children based on hearsay despite the evidence saying otherwise? Do you have kids.If those 5 boys were your children or the house masters your spouse what will you do?

chigator2:
What makes the first autopsy examination unthorough or unprofessional. Ooh because he wasn't paid to lie professionally with credible support.

So, Sylvester became deranged to hallucinate a narrative because of football injury.

Continue, I assure you, this cup will not Passover you this year. if you're are justified may you come out safe if not take my condolences.

It is because of comments like this the first autopsy should be brought out and analysed thoroughly .It should also be analyzed in lay men's terms.The first autopsy sounds suspiciously like something that should land that Dr in jail for his role in all this But we can't conclude till we have the details MDCN is a regulatory body.MDCN should address this

[quote author=seborrhic post=110082515]I am not even discounting the possibility that it was even the first pathologist that told the parents indirectly not to tender his own forensic report,knowing how crooked a job he did.
Why I am not sparing the first pathologist, eventhough there is no doubting his qualification,is that a pathologist,unlike medical professionals in other fields,knows a forensic report is needed because of disputes about manner of death and that all are police investigation cases and majority of not also all have to be defended in court where your report will pass through scrutiny from lawyers.So you must do a thorough,professional job,that can withstand such vigorous scrutiny.
In this case,it seemed he was in a hurry,so just looked at one or 2 areas and arrived at a conclusion that he himself would now be embarrassed about,having been shamed by a colleague![/quote/)


He was not just shamed by A colleague, he was shamed by the evidence from a panel of collegues.His evidence which the public is using as evidence should have been tendered.

MDCN should fix that gap and bring it out for fine re examination so it can be addressed once and for all. I for one am asking again where was his pre death Full blood count.

Omololaeni:
Both the poster and those that replied immediately know what they are doing, they planned to post what they posted. May God Judge you all.

You have asked God to judge ,that is good There are 3 things Jesus said was the more important parts of the laws of the bible,do you know what they are?

Justice ,mercy ,truth.

In this case we must all strive that our words don't invalidate any. The case here again so we are all clear is that should 5 boys,3 of whom were not even there be standing trial for murder(Please note key word murder) of a child all the valid evidence points to the fact that he died of sickness

Should the school dorm masters who also have families be on trial for murder after the school called the parent of said child informing them their child was sick?

Should they have been in jail?

What is justice and truth here? It is only after we have established this that we can start to talk of if and where mercy is needed

stanliwise:
From the medical angle you seem to have a point.
from from let's say the social angle, everything goes mute.
Did Sylvester not have any class mates or school neighbors that the investigators can confirm he was indeed sick?
No one saw Sylvester been sick before his death?
Why does his mouth look peeled? before he died?
I believe some colleague should indeed be able to confirm his health status before he died. yet no such thing as that

when three to four college testimony begin to show consistency then it could amount to some form of evidence coupled with medical test.

We are given little information here, we don't have enough info to really speak much about this cases.
Something isn't right. Just because the story sound like reality does not mean it is.

In Nigerias social media space? How are you even sure those 3 -4 narratives even exist and they are not made up? Someone said so but we are not sure who right?

wirinet:
You are still aggressively defending the school. Are you a member of the Dowen College Board? Now tell me what would Dowen College have done if the patents did not show up or send someone? Would they just watch a student die and then blame the parents for not coming? Look life is sacrosanct and the first impulse in all situations is to save life.

They called the father, the father said he would send someone. Citing minor football injury. No one showed up for 2 days.

If Dowen College had taken the boy to the hospital (with the fathers consent of couse) and he died, how would the college be accused of using him for ritual? Even if it's without the fathers consent due to the emergency, and he died, would there not be doctors report snd coroner inquest.

Religion and superstition is really destroying the fabric of African societies.

But that is not the issue on trial here.its 5 boys 3 who were not there on trial for murder of a sick child.And for that I will stand on the side of the truth always.The truth is he died from illness

Again let's not all start another round of false witch hunting again without the facts of the matter we do not know the agreement with parents,school protocol and other conversations as regards taking children to hosipitals.So please don't even go there as accusations but rather ask questions.

We may have wrongly imprisoned 5 boys in this country for murder as a result of rash accusations and false narratives.That is the issue here face it.

You may raise your questions,(key word here questions ) as a question and not an accusation

And no I know no one in DOWEN, but I speak up against injustice cause as a nation there must be some people that speak up.

Evil thrives when good men are silent.if they are looking for at least 1 person that speaks the truth and promotes justice on our streets, What will they find? Do we all care that 5 boys are on trial on what may be a false narrative?
That an entire institution may be wrongly tried? These things matter ,our words matter, These issues define our nation we must all be careful what we say and condone

Eketem:
Again why didn't the family tender that one as evidence? Simple question, if it was done well and showed evidence of what happened to their son why did they only post online and not bring it to the Inquest as evidence?

Thank you o. Let's assume that was too implicating to their quack pathologist and he couldn't write one, why did they also not post the FBC of the sick child.they want to use sentiments

I have not seen his predeath FBC anywhere.Where was the FBC of a child the school told his parents was sick.Thats the most basic test anyone should have done.That would have shown Sylvester was very very sick .it would have shown his blood was very low,it would have alerted the Drs that all he was saying may have been hallucinations to be taken with a pinch of salt and strict prompt treatment started. Have you all seen sick people hallucinate before do you know all kinds of things they say ?Imagine 3 boys that were not even there standing murder trials based on hallucinations? Because the Drs that should have run basic tests and clarified this were negligent and stupid

WHERE is Sylvester's Full Blood Count result before he died.

AfroKnight:
We already knew they would twist this case. DPP decided to release the suspects before the conclusion of this inquest. Jumping the gun. Such a brazen step only tells you they are ready to go the extra mile to frustrate the victim’s family.

Government magic at play here. Dem turn blue into red, dem turn electric to candle.

DPP should never have held them for murder.There was no evidence linking them to the death of the boy other than hearsay.I repeat no evidence.

tuboi:
Thank God for sensible people like you….y is d sole focus of d case *murder* why is no one talking about assault, attempted murder, injury with intent to kill.y haven’t they invited those present when it happened..what led to d multiple infections detected? Let’s start asking the right questions

It's like you don't get it.That was a very very sick child.

If you have kids you will understand.Kids will be running around very fine absolutely ok.then they have a slight fever you rush them to the hospital and the FBC shows high infection that an adult with the same finding is on a bed crying I am about to die .uneducated folks will be giving them paracetamol hence the high childhood mortality in Nigeria.

If the school identified he was sick and sent home.If all medical findings showed he died from longstanding sickness which the autopsy picked.why on earth would you want to hold kids for his murder?

Perhaps they beat him right? Did the beating contribute to his death? Did you here the part were 3 out of those 5 boys were not even there.Could Sylvester have been hallucinating? (There was low blood to the brain) An expected symptom in this case? shouldn't we all try to search for the truth? Do you have kids?

At best a case of bullying may be visited under the child right act but not murder except you are been outrightly evil.

There has been a sad miscarriage of justice here.The way the president of the US knelt and begged George flyods kid That is how I hope the Lagos Governor kneels and begs these boys.Do you know everywhere in future when asked that question have you have been arrested for anything more than a traffic offence? They have to pick yes and explain they were tried for murder? How many places would bother probing further that will be the end of their application.how is that right?

wirinet:
Please read the quote you posted 2 or 3 times so you can comprehend. This is just external examination and reasons were given for the various marks on the body.

Vertical marks on the chin - post mortem injury.

Circular injury on the right ankle - a recent injury. Circular injury around the ankle means skin abrasion caused by hand.

Reddening on the lower part of the two legs - embalming fluid did not get to that part of his body.



I agree the family was negligent, but the school was also negligent. They should have taken Sylvester to a proper hospital when they saw his health deteriorating fast, instead of panicking and waiting for the parents to show up to pick the kid. If The parents were unavoidably unavailable, will they just watch the kid die. They were just too desperate to get rid of the kid, so he won't die in their custody.

They were not the one that carried out the "False" autopsy report. The autopsy in Warri was carried out by the Nigerian police. They were only given a copy of the report, which the released publicly.

If the school had taken him to the hospital instead of handing him over to his parents perhaps it may have helped .but listen to yourself did you just see that a key factor in his demise was their poor care.

Now it's the schools fault? If the school had done that and he did not make it would we not have blamed the school for using him for rituals? The school did the right thing They identified he was sick enough to need further care and rightfully handed him to his guardians.How they choose to respond is completely on them and not the school

Any public outry on this case should be for justice for DOWEN boys now.... Perhaps only medical people see it clearly

MDCN in her regulatory role is the best person's to step into this case cos it's clear to all the first pathologist that was a quack had a strong role to play in the wrong detention of juveniles for something as grevious as a murder charge. How did that even happen.Only a coroner's autopsy should have been allowed for the purpose of their detention but I guess Lagos was afraid of public opinion

I'll try and explain for non medical person's here.You can not say there was signs of aspiration poisoning from things in his stomach due to something swallowed if you did not check in lay men's terms ( the food pipe)

The first thing any clinical student in gastric surgery in Nigeria knows this because Nigerians for some odd reason drink diverse corrosive substances in half hearted protest attempts or by accident.

The first thing it does. Is burn the oesophagus in a chemical poisoning before it affects the tougher overprotected stomach.Many times and in most of the cases the oesophagus( food pipe )is severely affected but not the stomach. So imagine an autopsy that concludes the findings in the stomach is from swallowing without looking at the affect on the oesophagus?

His autopsy was also not recorded? Why? No pictures at the least? If there are he needs to explain himself clearly to a panel.This pathologist and the first Dr that saw this student where lax in their business very lax.

It had far reaching consequences. And the fact that those Drs are still clinging to self survival at the cost of the future of these little kids who always have to explain in future that they had been tried sometime in the past for a murder case is evil. Some of the kids were not even there on said day (3 out of 5)

DOWEN boys must be cleared of that allegation and the state and police pay for it's incompetence.Those Drs must be stripped of their certificates for a period of time they are both a hazard to society

And lastly anyone still dragging DOWEN and DOWEN boy for murder now is complicit.If you have kids fear God

Social media naming and shaming especially based on hearsay with no proof is a crime It's called libel.

It needs to be addresses asap in Nigeria cause it has life long consequences for the victim. A ka the internet never forgets

The OP is terribly uncultured and wrong.Even if it was true it was not his place to share this information.I hope he is fished out in his community.

That said all should know when this is done to a child less than 18.its a case the public prosecutor must take up.e.g the DOWEN boys case. All those who posted their pics are liable as per our child right laws

I am impressed the people still retained the method of storing in pyramids.it validates history to have this knowledge passed down generations

This is nice they retained parts of the old and merged it with the new

Let us remember again how that a structure with historical significance such as this was burnt by end sars "protesters" "hoodlums" and it appears no one was brought to comment on their roles in this debacle

Hope they caught the arsonists,hope they were tried there.that would have been poetic justice

I am amused by the paragraph proven leadership capacity it appears rather brief and this cannot be the leadership skills you put forward to validate his candidacy for president ...
Can you please list them it in bullet points,some of us are on the lookout for candidates based on merit.

He will be competing against a proven leader.

What do Nigerians really want from this case?

Its starting to look like jungle justice to me.No one should stand idly by when the lives of others are threatened (thats christian scripture by the way).This accusation of the Dowen students and school for the death of sylvester needs to stop.

We have the duty of speaking the truth and promoting justice.And we must not bear false witness.( and we must protect our society from this kind of evil so that justice may run in our streets)

So far we know

the school called his parents to pick a sick child

The autopsy corroborated the schools version that he died of septicaemia and its other effects( caused by infection in the human body).It cannot be faked,the sepsis cannot happen after death.He died from a form of sickness that he did not recover from

The real question here is after his guardian picked up a sick child from school,what was done? how did they let him get full blown sepsis,to the extent his kidney was affected? (thats an effect from sepsis) The answers to that may lead to the real cause of the death of the young boy and whoever is truly culpable


But to try and pin( murder or manslaughter) on some boys in school with no evidence is bearing false witness,the best to be done may be to establish a case of bullying against those boys,and the evidence must be brought out. but bullying and murder are 2 different things.And if there was bullying was the school informed at any time? did anyone report the matter to any school authority? So why is the school been dragged here? for not identifying a child is been bullied perhaps? ok,did the parents identify it too,if the child did not speak to his parents on this,what are the chances he will speak to the school authorities?


Anyone speaking on this matter with kids, must all remember that you pray no one casts false witness on your children, definitely not something as grave as murder or manslaughter, so why sow that seed on other peoples children?

And for those quiet on the ,matter,how do you stand idly by when the life and future of others are threatened especially children?

Lastly any good autopsy done is recorded,all the pictures and the process recorded and archived so anyone can go through again at any time and arrive at the same conclusion,in that the LASUTH autopsy has the records for anyone anywhere to reassess, did the first autopsy with one pathologist have that?. If it does it should be tendered, if not,which is likely to be accurate ( that is if the results are different)

I suggest the sylvester family if they truly have an axe to grind should revise their case against the Dowen boys to bullying and they must present their proof ,witnesses ,video of the young man saying he was bullied e.t.c .If they want to probe his death better they should also trace the illness and who failed to do what.

It is painful to loose a loved one ,not to talk of a child,I pray that family never experiences such again.May God comfort his family at this time.

and anyone harassing Dowen college for murder with no proof should take it easy, do not be another bully,do not bear false witness

The solution to all this is to re structure Nigeria for stronger regional leadership and a Federating unit with clear boundaries on Federal control on the regions.

That said given the turn of events with herders in Nigeria and the Herders themselves not been able to hold their herder system accountable this idea of resurrecting grazing routes is a horrible idea,it shows no regard for all the lives lost so far and insensitivity to the anxieties of the whole country on security,

''Herders'' should not be roaming the country with cows in this century,that cannot be the best solution.
Nigerias leadership is not right on this one.

I understand your intention is good but i wonder why you want all states in Nigeria to be filled by sky scrapers as the evidence of development.

The scandavanian countriea are not that way and they have the best indices for development amongst all countries?

Lets stop trash talking Nigeria. And olease lets not turn our states to a no green sky scraper zone.Nigeria has land

This is appalling.

We can all go a step further and ensure his accounts are always banned by reporting his social media handle and skits in large numbers on the applicable social media channel

Its our collective duty to make sure his social media handles cease to exist

This guy just disgraced an entire country and on front page too.

Seun please be patrotic.take this thread down