₦airaland Forum

Elvictor:
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2021/08/dcp-abba-kyari-arewa-youths-blow-hot-take-swipe-at-us-court/

These ones no get sense, just making a bad situation worse, they have been duly noted.

Neddstark:
Crap. Nigeria is having insecurity issues and you are here hyping sovereignty. How is sovereignty benefiting you? As we speak children are in the bush kidnapped all because they wanted an education. No police or military is trying to rescue them. Abba Kyari the so-called highest performing officer is there building his mansions and dining with criminals with the hype around him. If the government was performing, her sovereignty is worth being prioritized. But in a situation where the developed world is helping you detect your corrupt law enforcement, we should be ashamed of ourselves.

Do you know who abba kyari is and his record? Apparently you don't, he is the cop they send when thy truly want an issue resolved, or some criminals fished out, and he succeeds.

He was he CP every State wanted

He was he first team documented entering the forests with guns to arrest kidnappers, his team was he team that solved many high profile National cases so many that people started wondering how does he do it

So to blame him for all the rot in the police as seen in this your post is misplaced,he was one man who tried his best with the cases assigned to him, these allegations suggest he had his lows too but truth remains he was a high performer when it came to getting criminals picked up in Nigeria

Ade3131:
Do we still practice rule of law in this country? If Yes, then there's absolutely nothing wrong in releasing Abba Kyari to the FBI since you agree they've been a mutual agreement between both countries to hand in criminals in a bid to contain internet fraud.

In addition, how best would you have wanted the US and FBI to go about this particular case?

Nigeria is in the mess we find ourselves today because some people are treated like they're above the law. More reason why our politicians commit crimes and walk away freely b'cuz there's always an exception to the rule when it's them.

I repeat again and again, irrespective of our sovereignty as a nation, any bastard that ire to the laws of any country should be publicly shamed and delt with.

The foreign office should have presented a petition to Nigeria and allowed Nigeria carry out its investigations first,and if guilty sanctions still lie with Nigeria

That said you are right,that must not and Nigeria has demonstrated that it does not support its citizen committing crimes abroad,however remember in this case this is about the position (the head of an intelligence unit in Nigeria), he should not even be tried by just any court I he was a US counterpart, why should it be different here,

Neddstark:
Yeah you are right about that. But we need this to happen. Our police force needs to be taught a lesson.

Not with abba kyari,the highest performing police officer in Nigerian history,proposed next in line for iGP in the near future

The first appointment majority of Nigerians will have celebrated and supported across all tribes,

Yes he may have messed up but the US no try,they messed with us on this one,that treaty should be revoked as punishment,and let them find how to deal with those yahoo boys on their own

And as a future lesson to Nigerian leaders this is why you don't sign treaties that undermine your sovereignty or has the potential to in any way

Sheuns:
Oh really? Why did the same government not waste time in the past before turning in people same FBI indicted of same crime as Kyari?

They are not serving officers of he State especially security officers,that's the difference,no need to play ostrich. If I have to play explain the many reasons a country must not allow that,then I shouldn't be having a conversation with you in the first instance

That said it appears Nigerians don't like the treaty that allows regular citizens respond to fraud allegation and be tried in the US,it was a good initiative done in the spirit of support and collaboration to ensure openness and make sure all fraudulent boys don't escape to Naija and hide under our soveriegnty to commit crimes

However if the US will use this same treaty in a manner that disrespects the country to humiliate us (despite full cooperation from Nigeria at the expense of its citizens) and potentially put National interests at risk,then it's time to consider revoking the treaty 100% , end of story.

I repeat again,we are a soverign nation any attempt to mess with our sovereignty outrightly or subtlety,any act that places it at risk must be nipped in the bud,we owe it to future generations of Nigerians

This matter could have been handled better by the US,let's call it what it is,it is a gross disrespect to Nigeria the way it was handled,an attempt to ridicule the country despite all the support they had received in their fight against "yahoo boys" by the country

Malawian:
Who made your "State" sovereign?

I'll assume you are not taught in English in Malawi, do your research on what it means to be a sovereign State, Google is your friend

Sheuns:
What Kyari did is a trademark of many Nigerian police , they will serve the highest bidder even if na known criminal. I no trust one single Nigerian police cos they’re all the same.

What is funny to me is the police trying to defend him or asking him to come clear his name, why not let him go to the US and do the name clearing and come back home? Must we always defend rubbish all in the name of sovereign nation? You guys go about begging for ventilators, grants and loans from the US and didn’t care about your sovereignty then, now you’re shouting sovereignty. Are you guys okay at all?

Our sovereignty is the reason we are not a vassal state paying taxes to another country,so yes we must defend our sovereignty ,again to help you understand it means anything that challenges soverign issues must be addressed, all those things you listed do not relate to our sovereignty,our laws,our borders,our money,our military or paramiltary ,our defence etc and those related to them those are soverign matters, let's all learn this and widen up.

Neddstark:
It is not just hushpuppi's statement.
The conversation between hushpuppi and Kyari was used to implicate Kyari
The all-expense paid trip to Dubai from Hushpuppi to Kyari is evidence
The pictures of Vincent in jail sent to Hushpuppi is evidence
The transfers made by Hushpuppi to Kyari via another person's account is evidence

Now the question, is what do you stand to gain by supporting criminals. Here is a criminal in uniform who has blood on his hands but you still want justice averted from him? Are you this wicked or the morals in you as good as a septic tank?

Our sovereignty superceeds all you have mentioned,it's like how the US will meet pass a judgement that renegades any aspect of its constitution

He is a serving high ranking officer ,his investigation,conviction If he is truly guilty and sentencing lies with Nigeria and no foreign entity,that's what this is about,the cane no dey US hand,and this is a precedent that must not start

This is not about fraud it's about jurisdiction and National security because he is a high ranking serving officer of the law,

Ask yourselves how many serving US soldiers accused in afganistan and other war torn countries were tried by the local country laws

Will the US allow any of its serving agents or officers be tried investigated by other countries local authorities on acts related to their official duties or tried in another country under local laws for said actions?remember they must speak the truth at all times.

The US will never allow it for their serving officers and agents so Nigeria must not, and yes it's different cos he is a serving senior ranking oficer,to do so is to ridicule the country and place a National asset in foreign hands,nobody does that

The best they the US can ask for is observership status on his investigation by the local police authorities, anything else such as extradition for investigation is ikoja aye, and I speak as a son of the soil with National interest at heart,it should not be allowed

You all should take a chill pill,we are a soverign state,the alleged crime was carried out in the line of duty, full jurisdiction falls to us,Nigeria will decide how this goes not the US, we are not puppets,we are a soverign state and Abba kyari has served the Nation,it matters.

shakyum:
For those supporting "super cop Kari" you have to start using your brains to think and stop using your lengs to think.

If you have followed this story very well, you notice that Chibuzor wanted to stop the scam, Chibuzor told the Qatar business man that Hush is a scammer, the Qatar business man then reported to Hush about the whole stuff. Chibuzor was yet to convince the business man that Hush and Boma were scammers (I guess Hush built some trust between him and the businessman) before it got to Hush. Hush then told "Super Agabada Cop" that he should arrest Chibuzor and detain him so that he could finish his scam without anybody to hinder the scam.

So now you can see that Abba Khari needs some serious questioning by the FBI, he arrested someone that was about helping the Qatar business man from being scammed, when the Qatar business man couldn't hear from Chibuzor he thought Chibuzor was the real scam and sent more money to Hush.

Hush sent about #8M to Khari, so if someone is threatening your family and you need help from the police you will need to send such.

I take my time before responding to National matters,that's how lon it takes to see the hands of all the players in the matter,

1. What is at play here in summary is a clash between how we do things in Nigeria and versus not the rest of the world, but the US. at the end of the day it boils down to our sovereignty, full stop

2. Abba kyari allegedly collected cash to arrest and investigate a person,in Nigeria it's an unofficially institutionalize a practice for an investigation to commence,private individuals are expected to fuel the police car,pay the patrol team ,find the phone search etc,there are many excuses for this which includes funds not released officially for these services etc, but in Naija that's the way it is,I must add it doesn't mean it's right,but it's been institutionalize



3.Abba kyari alleged offense is the Naija police way,and before you say 8m is a lot,it doesn't matter the amount it's 50k for some it's 50m for others it's what the payee decides to pay

4.I suspect these are the issues a case of payment for investigation,big crime in US,unofficial standard practice in Nigeria

5.The resolution o this matter as regards our high performing cop ultimately is a test of our we handle matters that regard our ability to govern ourselves with our own laws,said crime was committed on Naija soil,we MUST decide how it is tried and sentenced not any foreigner.

4.the factors to consider are his previous performance,his history of any prior crimes etc. we can decide to give him community service for all we care that's what it means to be a sovereign state.

5. If Abba kyari has truly done any good any effectiveness in Nigerias fight against crime,then it's time to bring our full soverign might to address how he is investigated handled on his matter,lastly this is a test subject for how everyone in Nigeria may be treated one day and choose to be investigated and prosecuted on Naija vs US laws in future,and before you say I am not a criminal just consider all the contract Infractures you treat as simple issues in Nigeria,that day is here folks,choose your court

I love your writing style,the narration is captivating,don't stop please, forget the spammers and trolls,they are weeds a good moderator will help block later

BabaAduras:
Your response is a typical of response of Nigerians that stems from failure to see real problem, we are so good at addressing Symptoms and leaving the Root Cause of problems. Yoruba man will say "a fi ete si le, a npa lapalapa".

The question no one is asking is, how come Lighters and Gas Bottles (flammable compounds) are left where a nine year old child could easily access them to start the fire?

In a sane world (I don't want to use developed world), the Store will prosecuted by the government for compromising Public Safety. I am sure in America, the parents of the child will sue the store for negligence and exposing their child to danger.

Another point worth discussing was they had a camera capturing the event and that did prompt a quick response for fight and quench the fire? What is the essence of the camera? They had gas bottles and lighters and they are no fire extinguishers? What a dangerous set up!!!!

If you ask me, the said investment of N2b was lost due to stupidity of the Store Owners. If lessons are not learnt from this, we will soon see a repeat of such fire.

1. The child is not an ogbange
2.Children play with stuff all the time,the lighters should have been above the reach of children or supervised
3. The store was careless and risked the lives of the public with their fire hazard and poor fire prevention strategies
4.The child can never be blamed for the stores incompetence,they put the child in this mess,repeat she is a child
5.The picture of this child should be brought down by all,any blog or site with her picture should be prosecuted
6.All stores should learn from this
7.The girls mother should get a lawyer ( a good one)

The answer is simple,what is the global best practice as regards percentage allocated amd other oblivations to the host communities

Now the LASG, the court and iyabos team have a potential case and jurisdiction to pick up the meddlesome interloper if they wish.This is an attempt to swing the views of the society and the judge in the case.

That said how can the guy be this foolish.He is the mascot for sexual abuse apologist.He just doesn't know when to stop.The case in in court

Johnrake69:
Please stop this rubbish propaganda.

North has never been more economically viable than the South. There was never a time groundnut earned Nigeria more foreign exchange than palm oil in the South.

This is what they tell them in the north,the abokies on the streets all believe this.It needs to be corrected asap in all communications so history is not rewritten.

The highest income generation during the agric period was from the South- Palm oil, cocoa from the south earned more than all northern produce

sulaak:
Nonsense, There are Christain Senators and reps in the North and the Middlebelt are not partial to the North. The problem is the lack of electronic voting in the house. Nigerians need to how their representatives vote.

Do they even use votes ? Is it not a case of who can shout loudest (yes or no) while the man with the hammer uses his discretion to pick which is louder.... all predetermined 2/3rds is not hard to get

orisa37:
The South Senators and Members of Rep are all WICKED, UNREASONABLE AND UNSERIOUS LEGISLATORS. THEY SEEM TO BE DELIBERATELY MISREPRESENTING THEIR PEOPLE AND MISAPPROPRIATING THEIR RIGHTS AND BENEFITS.

WHAT THEY JOINED THE NORTH TO PASS IN THE 30% OIL EXPLORATION FUND EXCLUSIVELY TO THE NORTH IS SIMILAR TO MACBAN ASKING $250billion. TO CARRY OUT RIFA-RUGA ISLAMISATION FULANISATION AND ANARCHY AND EMEFIELE, CBN GOVERNOR, A DELTAMAN AND A SOUTHERNER RELEASED THE MONEY TO MACBAN BEFORE BUHARI INSTRUCTED HIM TO DO SO. THIS IS NOT JUJU. IT'S PLAIN UNREASONABLENESS, FOOLISHNESS, STUPIDITY AND SATANIC IGNORANCE.
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250 billion dollars released to MACBAN ? Is this true? Was this carried by any news outlet? Do you have any references?

Why is a state of emmergency not declared in Kaduna?

The State Goverment obviously cannot handle the matter.Where in the world are students kidnapped Emma's from school regularly? How is that normal? And no one should mention us school shootings.Lagos had School shootings in the 80's it was addressed firmly and decisively.

The riffraffs then took their fight out of the schools not this.This is institutionalized faliure to respond to this matter by the police in the state and the relevant authorities.

The right question is Why?

If this is true them that is so unjust.... why the north alone? That's mischievous on the part of whoever wrote that bit. How much is the region responsible for the resource getting?Whoever is in charge needs to consider that this action is not right

It's time to take stock of where all our federal assets are as per each region.I hope this has not been happening over time and been missed by the general populace.

What is wrong is wrong.but the good thing is its not too late to correct this. Its not too late to do the right thing

If this is true them that is so unjust.... why the north alone? That's mischievous on the part of whoever write that bit.Whoever is in charge needs to consider that is not right

It's time to take stock of where all our federal assets are as per each region.I hope this has not been happening over time and been missed by the general populace.

What is wrong is wrong.but the good thing is its not too late to correct this.

When will a state of emmergency be declared in that State?

What criteria needs to be met

This should be on the front page

teelaw4life:
You no get sense. You're making tax laws for organisations that have zero physical presence in your country. How does this make sense to you?

You guys need to wake up and applaud any initiative that supports the growth of the country.They make a lot of money from Nigeria.A lot,if in doubt ask how much Linda makes from ads daily,and that's just a tip of the iceberg compared to Facebook,insta,Twitter etc.

Thanks to our population and china /asia not letting their people trade with such platforms,Nigeria contributes a significant amount in dollars to their revenue.Someone should Please bring the figures and rate in comparison to other countries and regions.

This is the right step from Nigeria.Tax any income they generate from Nigeria.Any money that goes out from Nigerian accounts to them as payment for services must be tracked and taxed,vat first then systems to collect other taxes e.g must be thought of creatively .Naija is doing that already.e.g operating liscence,registration etc

Have they effected the memo stopping housejob salaries?

House officers are you still been paid?

If not,this may be the outcome of no salaries for HO, meaning these adults have to ask for pocket money or find other means to survive.

Before you say do bussiness, bussiness and housemanship should not go together. this is not good.

Who wants to hire an international model that will pull a political ..... at a press conference sabotaging and entire brand.

She nearly sabotaged the pagent with her rubbish. You think the Russian chick didn't know what she was doing when she ensured she was reported as crying because someone poured yellow paint on her flag.The pageants brand don't need anyone aligning them with any political affiliation.

Desecrating flags of your country or any other country at pagents is a no no...

That said,the crying Russian girl probably was scared of the implication of dissing Russia (putin) on a global or local stage and was crying to show "this was not my intention". Cos if it was,chances are she may not be on a good foot with Putin

The silly Nigerian girl should be glad she got away with this one,next time she should try it with her other country's flag.

Meanwhile don't we have a law against desecrating Nigerias flag? They should scare her small and ask her supporters to explain with references why she should not be tried under that law.. might serve as detergent for other aspiring dumbos

Has this man been found yet?

There needs to be reward for information that will produce every single person there.

This must not just end as permissible.it is not.

Emeka71:
I don't see anything wrong with what Baba Ijesha did he only reacted to the condition at hand ; for example if your daughter comes to play with you would you refuse giving her attention because you are of a different gender; you only have to be innocent about your embrace to the babe; because refusing a babe could make you look wicked to a little babe.

This one is an idiot and should not speak in public

That said the best example for how to speak on matters like this was seen in the okereke woman case and poju oyemade case when both came to speak on a suspected rape /abuse matter.Okereke spoke for her brother,oyemade for the church.Heres what they said paraphrases

Started with condemning sexual abuse in very strong terms

Commiserate with the victims and all other victims of such practice

Stated that victims must always speak up and fight for justice



Oyemade -admits theres areas for improvement on accountability that requires review and will be looked into

Okereke states she will never support injustice but asks the public to allow a competent count determine guilt.

End of matter.we don't even know the outcome but everyone chilled after That. But baba Ijesha s cohort appear to be a different breed.They even protested,called public prosecutor complicit, gaslighted the victim,dragged those standing for justice to be served, all this was done publicly.

That's why his case will be a teachable momment for society.He as become the mascot for how Lagos addresses sexual abuse.All eyes on Lagos

Lagos is the pacesetter state when it comes to justice and many other matters.This case will set the tone for all on the stance of the State and the country to paedophilia.

The clowns defending him in public are making the matters worse for him.Best would have been him to claim remorse,but instead they are disparaging and disrespecting the true victims of their crime. "The girl is above 18" "she asked for it" " her guardian tried seducing him first" "he know the secret of how Bleep was raped before".

That is the story here, a sexual abuse victim,a ward trying to get justice,The abuser(he is an abuser) and the others.

Since he has pled not guilty to sexual abuse his case will be tried fully in Lagos.and those guys are thourough, these unguarded comments of his defendants "The others" that show no remorse will determine the maximum sentence in this case to serve as a lesson to society at large.

These baba Ikeja well wishers dragging he victims are like the proverbial fly that do not know when to turn back.

studentofTruth:
I agree with you.

But can't force patriotism when there's no justice and a sense of belonging! It's never been like this since 1999! Hold your current leaders accountable!

Youths should also take responsibility.they can start by stopping this demarketting of their future.

It's their future they are seriously demarketting by dragging the country in international climes.At least those that can't leave Nigeria

Will they (international crew) do anything as per a sovereign nation? Let them keep been stupid ,the Nigerians abroad via remote work, Ghana and soon Rwanda will reap the benefits.Yorubas call it aseni s era e