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PoliticsRe: How Nigeria Destroys Tech Dreams: They Want To Hijack My Stem Cell Project by PhysicsQED(m): 6:50pm On Apr 04, 2012
People are trying to tribalize this when the man went out of his way to make it seem non-tribal by mentioning Alhassan Bako Zaku by name as one of those who supported his project.

Anyway, I have a few questions about the STEMCETA project.

What have they achieved in the 11 years that they were around?

What are their long term goals?

What specific technologies are they/were they developing or introducing to (black) Africa?

What progress have they made on training people in using stem cell technologies or in applying specific treatments?

He should let the public know exactly what they're going to miss if they let the government edge out his project in favor of whatever they're creating.


It should also be noted that in developed countries, there are private biotechnology companies that conduct research independently of government-funded research institutes or universities, so there is not necessarily a conflict when the government decides to pursue its own research agenda/direction with alternative researchers. The man can still do whatever it is his group was doing regardless.
PoliticsRe: SS Economic Summit - P. Kagame, R. Giuliani, John Lipsky, Mike Mullen to Attend by PhysicsQED(m): 6:32pm On Apr 04, 2012
Paul Kagame may be trying to boost his credibility with this move.
PoliticsRe: SS Economic Summit - P. Kagame, R. Giuliani, John Lipsky, Mike Mullen to Attend by PhysicsQED(m): 6:14pm On Apr 04, 2012
Too many people posting on this thread so far are disconnected from reality.

I predict at least 5 pages. Maybe 6.
PoliticsRe: Nigeria Origin Of Civilization (not Egypt But Nigeria) by PhysicsQED(m): 4:02am On Apr 03, 2012
jara,

" Destroying everyone in sight "?

I only have a few specific criticisms. That doesn't amount to destroying anyone. And I don't even know or care what you think you mean by "even your own people".

And I know that you're not a reasonable person, hence my first comment to you on this thread. Your whole perspective is warped. I don't really care to change your perspective. I just wouldn't let you spout your views unchallenged here. "Ogiso is a sword bearer", "Adumu (a water spirit) is Oduduwa" etc. Garbage.
PoliticsRe: Nigeria Origin Of Civilization (not Egypt But Nigeria) by PhysicsQED(m):
jara,

- First, everyone knows that Egharevba, however noble and important his effort, was not a professionally trained historian because of the circumstances of his times and environment. Were he one, he would not have distorted the interpretation of his own work by cowing to foreign influence and introduced a new name for that ruler's title for no reason without giving an explanation, and it is unlikely that he would he have excluded his own 1975 statement from being expressed explicitly in his work. A professionally trained historian would indeed leave less room for ambiguity or misinterpretation.

On reading Jacob Egharevba, the fact is that any interpretation of his work in the manner that you and some others have tried to interpret it, contradicts the statements of his own Edo people hundreds of years ago in pre-colonial times.

And since you say that you've read some of Egharevba's work and are even telling others to read his work, what have you actually read? Which publications?

- On Professor Ekeh, I have nothing against him personally. He's obviously generally a very bright guy. But his work is occasionally shoddy and in distorting that piece of folklore about "Ehi-will-enrich-me" and in that article in general he failed as a scholar for multiple reasons. It is absurd to claim that this piece of work was assiduous when in fact it was shoddy.

First he heavily distorted the meaning of story recorded by Bradbury, and he added Isidore Okpewho's summary/paraphrase of the part of the story preceding Ehighafemwen's (Ehi-will-enrich-me's) triumph in order to completely mangle the import of the story. The story is not from Okpewho, but from Bradbury's account of it. Okpewho quotes Bradbury and adds his own paraphrase of part of what Bradbury wrote, and then Ekeh quotes Okpewho even though Ekeh has access to Bradbury's work as shown in the books he cited at the end of his lecture/article in order to distort the story.

It is an act of irredeemable fraud or incompetence, to quote a story in which it is stated at the very beginning that the Ogiso is the Oba and to then try to interpret the story of the ascendance of an unreal and proverbial person, Ehighafemwen or "Ehi-will-enrich-me", the son of Erhamwoisa, to the position of Oba as meaning what Ekeh and now you are attempting to make it mean. ( And we already know that he is a proverbial character in Edo folklore because he is also mentioned in another story, published in issue 33 of the West African Review in 1962, that begins "In the days of the great Oba Ehengbuda there were two friends, Ehighafemwe and Obaghafemwe who because of their names argued loud and long. . . " )

The full extent of the fraudulence or intellectual incompetence involved in trying to read the quote the way Ekeh did is heightened when you realize that Ekeh has already read books on Benin, and that he would already know who the Oba's swordbearers are and that they are youths and not grown men, even if he were too lazy to go and ask about the swordbearers from somebody actually connected with the Benin palace.

Second, he selectively picked what to include and exclude from Egharevba without even acknowledging the existence of what he was leaving out, leading him to contradict Egharevba in many of his claims about the perception of and achievements of the Ogisos among the Edo.

I attacked Ekeh's statement because he completely and totally distorted the story that Bradbury recorded in order to push his nonsensical angle/interpretation. The fact that he was invited to give a lecture in honor of Egharevba does not necessarily mean that those who listened to his lecture would have automatically agreed with all his claims.

Finally, it is a further act of incompetence to claim as Ekeh did that a man, Isidore Okpewho, with an Urhobo father and an Anioma mother who does not speak Edo and who published a book specifically meant as an attack on Benin is somebody who wrote a "comprehensive and scholarly study of Benin folklore". The absurdity of this statement is heightened not just when one actually reads the book by Okpewho that Ekeh claimed was a "comprehensive and scholarly study of Benin folklore", but when one realizes that Ekeh himself wrote a review article ("Contesting the History of Benin Kingdom" ) of that book disputing the validity of many of the analyses, claims, and perceptions that Okpewho expressed in his book!

- On Iwo Eleru, the people there were not even modern homo sapiens at a time when modern homo sapiens already existed. They were a less evolved form of humanity living in a rock shelter. To claim that there was civilization there is ridiculous.

Saying that "tools and artifacts beyond their contemporaries at the world stage" were found at Iwo Eleru is just as ridiculous.

And the Benin/Edo region was occupied well before the birth of Christ, but you are perhaps too stuck in your perceptions to bother to find that out.

Also, proving that a place may be older, does not necessarily force any conclusion about the question of dynastic change or origin. The Nok culture, from the Ham people, has evidence of being at a high level of cultural achievement earlier than any other culture in Nigeria, but is not necessarily the source for all others.

- On Ijaw, I noticed you supplied absolutely no evidence to support your assertion, once again, about their supposed oldness compared to other groups. As for "Adumu" and "Oduduwa", how about actually reading the accounts of actual Ijaw historians like Ebiegberi J. Alagoa on Ijaw traditions of origin? The Ijaws in general do not claim descent from Oduduwa but if you expect me to accept this "Adumu" story then I could as well claim that the Ooni of today is of Ijaw descent, since that is what the Ijaws who promote this story online are actually claiming (among other things). As far as I can tell, Adumu is actually a water spirit represented by or associated with the python, and not some prince or king.
PoliticsRe: Nigeria Origin Of Civilization (not Egypt But Nigeria) by PhysicsQED(m):
jara

You have such a heavily distorted view of Benin that it's almost not worth bothering to communicate with you, but I'll make an attempt anyway.

Have you ever actually read Egharevba's work? Answer honestly.

In every edition of his book, he tried to imply that there was already a Bini ruler of or a Bini takeover of Ife in some way or another but he was overly subtle about it.

In his earlier editions, he maintained the tradition of his people dating back to hundreds of years (as confirmed by written documents from hundreds of years ago, which there is nothing to suggest that he was even aware of) that there was a ruler with an explicitly/unambiguously Edo title presiding over Ife.

Even in his last two revised editions, where he altered the title of the ruler after cowing to outside influence, he stated that the Binis migrated into Ife and then left afterward. The implication of this statement for a sovereign kingdom are pretty clear.

In fact, in the 1920s, Oba Eweka II prayed for the health a king with an Edo title who is also the same one held by his people for hundreds of years to be same one presiding at Ife, but he was oblivious to the existence of any king called "Ooni" that he should pray for, and he never did pray for any Ooni.

Interestingly enough, this particular Edo title (Oghene) could not have been pronounced by the Yorubas of Ife, since it is a proven linguistic fact that they remove the "gh" sound from their words, so they would have eventually replaced it with something else when the title was in Ife.

All of this stuff being presented as an authoritative interpretation of Egharevba's work is basically new history and doesn't square up well with written documents from the pre-colonial past or actual Edo tradition which is unambiguous about the existence of the ruler whose title was Edo.

Next, the Oba of Benin did not come up with a new theory about Ekaladerhan. It simply does not originate with Oba Erediauwa. That's one of the larger misconceptions and that was what bokohalal tried to explain above.

Also, why no mention of the possibility of dynastic change in Ife?

Dynastic change in Ife is probably why Egharevba stated on May 3rd, 1975, that Oduduwa was an outsider and non-Yoruba who found Yoruba people already living at Ife when he arrived. Whatever happened to Oreluere?

You're mentioning "Iwo Eleru civilization" at 10,000 B.C. as if there was actually civilization there. What was found there was a homo sapiens skull with archaic and unusually primitive features: http://www.nhm.ac.uk/about-us/news/2011/september/mystery-of-a-west-african-skull-from-13000-years-ago103799.html


"Two of the characteristics of the skeleton are quite unknown
among modern West African populations, and the radiocarbon
date for charcoal immediately surrounding the skeleton is the
earliest of the block of six obtained at the site.
The skeleton has been under examination in the Duckworth
Laboratory of the University of Cambridge for the last two
years, but the investigation is not yet complete owing to the
illness and subsequent death of Dr Jack TREVOR. Before his
death, however, he did state that the Iwo Eleru skull was "absolutely
longer and broader than Asselar or any living ,Nest African
male" and that the "occipital curvature was almost identical
with Bushman" skulls. In view of the association of Bushman
skeletal remains with ·Wilton-type microlithic industries in East,
Central and South Africa, the discovery of apparently protoBushman
characteristics associated with a microlithic industry
so far west of the hitherto known distribution is interesting.
But then as far as I know this is the only Late Stone Age skeletal
material yet recovered in the whole of the heavy rainfall area
of West Africa and the Congo, because the acid soil conditions
are normally so against preservation." - Thurstan Shaw, "FINDS AT THE IWO ELERU ROCK SHELTER, WESTERN NIGERIA"


We know about the the Gobeki Tepe sanctuary in Turkey, which is actual evidence of what could be called "civilization", but nobody claims that all the achievements of Eurasia have their origin in Turkey.

By your logic, the Ham people of Northern Nigeria who are associated with the Nok culture (by Bernard Fagg (who virtually all people directly or indirectly rely on for their claims about relationships between Nigerian art from different Nigerian groups) and others) could claim that all the advanced cultures of Nigeria were derivative of the culture of the Ham people.

On the Ogisos, it's not up to Professor Ekeh to describe a period he has not bothered to read about in depth. The same Professor Ekeh has criticized several of Egharevba's statements and is now relying heavily on particular selections of his work to make his interpretations of the Ogiso? He's relying on Isidore Okpewho's calculated attack on Benin (Okpewho's book, which Ekeh himself criticized heavily) to make his interpretations? In Isidore Okpewho's book attacking Benin history, he completely bungled the interpretation of the Oba of Benin's appellation, Uku Akpolokpolo, and tried to pass it off as scholarship.

In the quotation about "sword bearer" the story ( "Ehi will enrich me" ) quoted by Okpewho and further distorted by Ekeh does not make a distinction between Ogiso and Oba, rather it claims that the Ogiso is the Oba in the very second paragraph of the story. The story was recorded by R.E. Bradbury and the story is about the superiority of the guardian spirit or soul (the ehi) which decides one's destiny. There are three children of a man called Erhamwoisa, and one of them is called "Ehi-will-enrich-me" and he triumphs in the end, becoming king. His brothers "Other-people-will-enrich-me" and "Ogiso-will-enrich-me" do not meet with success, and "Other people will enrich me" is even killed. The story is a fable about the primacy and importance of destiny and the soul. In the end, his ehi (guardian spirit or soul) did enrich him, while those who relied on other people or on the king were not enriched.

To claim that the actual Ogiso "became the Oba's sword bearer" is nonsensical (and even contradicts Egharevba that you were telling bokohalal to read). Anyway, the Oba's sword bearers are the emada and they were not even grown men.

If you actually read Egharevba and you'll see that he credits the Ogisos with many achievements. In fact, the oldest surviving house in Nigeria that bokohalal mentioned dates back to the Ogiso era.


By the way, do you have any actual evidence that the Ijaw are "older than" or "more indigenous than" anybody in southern Nigeria? Or do you just immediately accept the Ijaw view of the world whenever it's presented to you?
EducationRe: Pictures Of Coffins Placed In Front Of UNIBEN Bursar's Residence by PhysicsQED(m):
Bluetooth, so you at least admit the group in question ventures into only a few areas of crime as far as you can tell.

There may be some hope for you after all.

This is only the beginning. Eventually, you'll start to embrace reality completely and stop trying to tribalize every issue.

Someday, with enough thought and hard work, you may even qualify as a full-fledged human being.
EducationRe: Pictures Of Coffins Placed In Front Of UNIBEN Bursar's Residence by PhysicsQED(m): 11:19pm On Apr 01, 2012
Bluetooth, has anybody denied Bini herbalists yet?

Herbalists are also not exclusive to anybody.
EducationRe: Pictures Of Coffins Placed In Front Of UNIBEN Bursar's Residence by PhysicsQED(m): 11:18pm On Apr 01, 2012
Bluetooth

Money rituals, drug trafficking, armed robbery, and kidnapping?

Even you don't believe that Binis lead in that stuff. You're just posturing to save face. Nobody's even brought up credit fraud yet. Don't let anyone mention that.

And I'm sure Shina Rambo was nearly as successful as Anini. grin grin
EducationRe: Pictures Of Coffins Placed In Front Of UNIBEN Bursar's Residence by PhysicsQED(m): 11:01pm On Apr 01, 2012
PoliticsRe: Notable Nigerian Heroes We All Need To Emulate As Nigerians by PhysicsQED(m): 9:07pm On Mar 31, 2012
He made the thread about Ojukwu in the opening when there was no reason to. The OP's statement "his lack of achievements before and after the civil war, made him ineligible to be a Nigerian hero" defeated the thread before it began. People could also criticize other people he listed in his opening post as heroes as a rebuttal of course, but the point is that he deliberately singled out Ojukwu for criticism in the opening post of the thread.
PoliticsRe: Notable Nigerian Heroes We All Need To Emulate As Nigerians by PhysicsQED(m): 8:14pm On Mar 31, 2012
This thread is basically a fail.
PoliticsRe: A Nigerian Breaks Grounds On Global Mobile Technology by PhysicsQED(m):
This guy is just hype and self-aggrandizement.

He's just an ordinary lecturer in some obscure university in the UK.

But his children are real standouts.

His eldest daughter is the youngest ever master's degree holder from Oxford and before that she broke some other records:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne-Marie_Imafidon

http://yegs.org/yegs-hall-of-fame-anne-marie-imafidon-1990/

http://www.prlog.org/10755715-how-london-girl-became-the-youngest-mathematics-and-computer-science-graduate-from-oxford.html

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1434617

Here's something interesting on her:

"In her spare time, at the weekend, she actively supports and volunteers in inner-city initiatives and projects, one of which is the Excellence in Education Programme, a non-for-profit alliance of charities, churches, schools and corporations who support the academic pursuits of disadvantaged students from disadvantaged backgrounds.

Due to her immaculate academic record, and her outstanding achievements she has had numerous offers from blue-chip companies
resulting in a bidding war between leading financial institutions such as Deutsche Bank and Goldman Sachs.

A-Marie has reached the final in the Business Analyst of the Year Category of the prestigious British Computer Society (BCS) & Computing UK's annual IT Industry Awards which was won last year by the famous internet pioneer, Tim Berners-Lee.

A-Marie has been recognised before and received the BBC academic award in 2006, and Microsoft Award for ICT. However, tonight's award is for her revolutionary work in realm of Ophthalmological informatics. She is the first BCS finalist to combine ICT with Ophthalmology in a unique way creating a new and innovative software to artificially clean lenses that has been piloted in Dollond and Aitchison stores Nationwide.

This research was one of her Masters Projects in the Requirements Engineering element of her Maths and Computer Science degree at Oxford University. This has earnt her a place in the final ten in the Business Analyst of the Year category.

A-Marie is "very delighted" to have been chosen as a finalist, and commented "I received some of the highest marks from my degree for this project, but I never thought it would get this level of recognition. It was a big surprise! I'm really grateful to Marina Jirotka who led the course for all her help and guidance."

The UK IT Industry Awards are a benchmark for excellence throughout the computer industry. The Awards focus on the contribution of
individuals, projects, organisations and technologies that have excelled in the use, development and deployment of IT in the past 12 months."


http://avisami.com/content/avisami-director-prestigious-it-award

His other daughter and son broke some record as well.
PoliticsRe: Tomb Art From Ancient Egypt: A Black African Civilization (pics) by PhysicsQED(m):
Taharqa,


Thanks for the information. Very enlightening stuff. I had seen it as a culture with an early black origin/root but which was essentially mixed/heterogeneous very early on, and later on taken over by non-blacks completely but I see now that this may not be the case and that it may only have become mixed later.

There's just one possible hitch I see with regard to the "modern Egyptians are really Near Easterners and Mediterraneans that came to identify as Egyptians after moving there en masse" idea or the "modern Egyptians are really mostly of Near Eastern and Mediterranean stock but mixed with indigenous Egyptians" idea. How much of their (the non-black looking modern Egyptians who don't explicitly identify as being of non-Egyptian ethnic origin) DNA can be shown to be from or very close to that of the near-East/the Levant/Asiatics or Mediterranean groups? That was something else that I was hoping you would supply. Were they to be proven by someone else to have little admixture with Near Easterners/Levantine peoples or Mediterraneans and to be mostly related to other East African peoples, just as their ancestors were, wouldn't it make the claim that they are representative of Levantine or European migrants into Egypt during the Late Period or earlier that mixed with the indigenous population untenable?

Maybe I'm missing something or misinterpreting something that you've already explained in your post above, but does proving that they don't have exactly the right cranial morphology to match the earliest Egyptians actually prove they are Mediterranean or Levantine rather than indigenous or prove that they are mostly of Mediterranean or Near Eastern ancestry if there isn't already evidence of significant/large genetic dissimilarity between them and ancient Egyptians or other East or Northeast Africans around today?

Regarding Bernal's books, if you haven't read them in full, I would strongly suggest doing so. I've read volumes 1 and 2 and his book replying his critics and I plan to read volume 3 (about the linguistic evidence) sometime in the future. After reading three of his four books on this subject, I would say that it is very plausible that the Greeks were heavily influenced even to the point that it would not be inaccurate to argue that the roots of their civilization were indeed Afroasiatic (Egyptian and Semitic), not merely that they were influenced by Egypt and the Near East. I don't deny that they developed their own unique culture, philosophical ideas and social complexity afterwards and went on to make great strides, but I think it was probably more than mere influence after what I've read. It also makes sense to me from a purely logical standpoint: The ancient Greeks achieved so much and achieved so much more than the other European groups because they "stood on the shoulders of giants" due to what they inherited from the Near East and Egypt, just as the scholars of the Islamic Golden Age and the Renaissance built from the works of earlier scholars (especially Greek scholars and also Indian scholars in the case of the Islamic Golden Age). It is more than a little suspicious that the one place where high civilization really took off in Europe was Greece, when the ancestors of basically all the European groups who are stereotyped as being brilliant today (French, Germans, Russians, etc.) and considered as being the most brilliant of the European groups had achieved basically nil at that time or for centuries after the Greeks reached their zenith even when there wasn't really anything in their respective environments (for most of them) prohibiting such achievement/development. While there are certainly groups who have experienced a "Golden Age" without doing so based on the works of outside/external cultures or building on the achievements of ancient foreign cultures, all of these groups (such as Chinese or Indians), if not held back by difficult developmental/social conditions arising from their histories, seem to often exhibit the same characteristic brilliance shown by their ancestors to various degrees today, while the modern Greeks seem like a rather ordinary group of Europeans (like the Spaniards) and not at all the "cream of the crop" or the intellectual gods of the larger Indo-European group from which they came.

[Not that I have anything against the actual Greek people, of course, just my personal observations.]
PoliticsRe: Tomb Art From Ancient Egypt: A Black African Civilization (pics) by PhysicsQED(m):
Taharqa, I get your point, and what you wrote in #3 is something I've known for a while now, and it even ties in with the quotes from ancient historians (like Diodorus) and scholars noting that the "Ethiopians" colonized/started Egypt and it also ties in with Bruce Williams' work in a sense. So the issue of Egypt's culture being African is not really in question for me.

But I noticed you cited articles by S.O.Y. Keita. Have you actually asked him what his views are on the "racial" makeup of the ancient Egyptians?

From what I've read and heard from him I get the distinct impression that he holds that many/most of the Copts and other Egyptians there today (many of which we would not consider "black" in the modern sense because of their appearance) are representative of the kind of "racial" diversity (in terms of physical/outward appearance) that we could expect to see in Egypt in ancient times (Predynastic times even). Basically, it doesn't seem to be the case that he considers modern Egyptians to be significantly different from ancient Egyptians.

You also referenced "mass migrations" of "Mediterraneans" and "Near Easterners". Can you provide any evidence to back up these claims about "mass migrations"? I haven't seen a single study supporting the idea that the majority of the people one sees in Egypt today are mostly or significantly descended from people who migrated into Egypt en masse at some much later period and I would like to be enlightened.

As far as the Greeks copying the Egyptians, have you actually read Martin Bernal's Black Athena series of books (including his book responding to his critics, Black Athena Writes Back?) I think his basic thesis - even if some of the specifics are faulty or a few are tenuous - is highly plausible. Obviously the Greeks were innovators in their own right, but I suspect that many of their basics were essentially derivative of both Egyptian and Phoenician knowledge.

The claims about China or (non-Greek) Europe or the Olmecs are nonsense to me however. I have read the claims and counter-claims and I know that those are bogus.
CultureRe: Proudly Bini Names And Meaning by PhysicsQED(m): 8:51pm On Mar 29, 2012
NRI PRIEST: Deleted
It was a silly/dumb post though.

The thread is "Bini names and meaning" and you posted a fictional "mixed" name.

And don't derail this thread into ethnic mudslinging. People will read what you wrote and sling back.
CultureRe: Proudly Bini Names And Meaning by PhysicsQED(m): 8:48pm On Mar 29, 2012
NRI PRIEST: Ugwuakpogbuolam=the mountain has crucified me. Bini/efema/eshan mix.
Ugwu?

Gbuolam?

Sounds Igboid.


I thought you said you used to live in Benin?
CultureRe: by PhysicsQED(m): 8:37pm On Mar 29, 2012
speedyboi: I didn't say d 2nd......one naira added it to his quote 4rm no where......pls
I quoted it as it was. You edited it later.
PetsRe: Some Unusual Nigerian Pets by PhysicsQED(m): 8:36pm On Mar 29, 2012
The men with the hyenas are entertainers. People don't keep hyenas as pets.
PoliticsRe: South East Nigeria Needs Three International Airports by PhysicsQED(m): 8:31pm On Mar 29, 2012
There's nothing unreasonable about asking for at least 3 international airports in a region and it shouldn't really result in 9 pages of debate. Some countries smaller than the Southeastern political region probably have more than 3.

The only issue is quality. If SE politicians demand from Jonathan and/or his successor 3 international airports within a short time frame of each other, they're likely to get shortchanged on quality. It will have to be gradual. In fact, one really good airport of truly international quality should be built before relying on the same politician's administration to build two others. If the first one isn't up to standard, the next two probably won't be any better.
PoliticsRe: APGA's Founding Chairman Chekwas Okorie Dumps And Forms UPGA by PhysicsQED(m): 8:26pm On Mar 29, 2012
If he's starting a new party, why take the acronym of an old party from the 60s?

Maybe he's trying to invoke the memory of that party?
CultureRe: by PhysicsQED(m):
speedyboi: Nd who told u I'm a yoruba sef........? I'm nt bt dats d truth, evri1 knws it
speedyboi: I'm sure they chose d yorubas sef because d tribe is always free 4rm scandals....I'm proud to be 1.
CultureRe: Benin Art And Architecture by PhysicsQED(m): 7:02pm On Mar 28, 2012
" DECLARED MONUMENTS IN NIGERIA

Chief Enogie Aikoriogie's House in Obasagbon:

This house is mainly composed of a courtyard which is all that survives of the original building which was probably built in the second half of the 19th century.

The courtyard is believed to be melted in plan or in structure since it was first built.

There are many features in the building which indicate direct links with the architecture of Benin, these include horizontally fluted walls, the Central impluvium and the carved decoration of features which are not known in Benin: these are the symmetry of the plan having the main entrance door and the main alter on a longitudinal axis and the eight very heavy mud pillars supporting the side lintel walls.
These pillars measure 2 feet 6 inches by 4 feet in plan and are 8 feet high.



Declaration:
Declared Monument on 1st June, 1961 (The house and the compound) "



http://www.nigerianmuseums.org/Enogie.htm




^^^^^

If anyone has or can find any images of this building I would greatly appreciate either a link to the image or information about any sources I can find an image of it from.
PoliticsRe: Nigeria Origin Of Civilization (not Egypt But Nigeria) by PhysicsQED(m):
anonymous6: BINIS: THE ODUDUWAN LEGACY

Since the month of May 2004, there has been a raging intellectual battle on the personality of Oduduwa. The Binis claim he was a Bini prince, the Ifes claim otherwise.

This approach will be purely scientific and will be as objective as possible. The following areas: (1) The personality of “Oduduwa” {Ikaladeran?}; (2) archaeological researches; (3) the linguistic linkages; (4) scientific analysis of the myths; and (5) Benin’s historical debt to Oduduwa will be analyzed. (a) The monarchies; (b) the water religion, (c) bead manufacturing (d) salt industry; and (e) the Lagos conquest, will be scientifically analysed.

1. THE PERSONALITY OF “ODUDUWA”

The personality of Ikaladeran; whether he was the man who later became Oduduwa will be scientifically analyzed

In this discourse, Oduduwa is seen as the founder of the Yoruba monarchical system, or at least, a founder of a prominent dynasty in Yoruba history. There must have been many dynasties in Ife, as Ife legends put pre-Oduduwa monarchs at more than ninety.

The personality of Oduduwa has suffered many attacks in recent times. The Binis claim he was a Benin prince (Ekaladerhan), who later became Imadoduwa or Izoduwa, and then Oduduwa. The Igbos claim he was an Igbo man from Nri. Some Igalas claim he hailed from Igala land. The Igalas have many Ifes, and they claim Oduduwa was from one of such Ifes. The Igala language is close enough to the Yoruba, to assert a common origin for both peoples.

The present writers are holding the following positions:
1. The Yorubas are aborigines or autochthonous to their present environment;
2. The monarchical structure seems to be alien. The present writers tend to place the origin of the Yoruba monarchy in ancient Egypt and Nubia. This is because a lot of Egyptian related relics, words and practices can still be discerned among the Yorubas, particularly among the following: Ife (where the Ifa oracle and Yoruba monarchical system blossomed); Ijebu (with some ancient settlements; Ijebu Ode, the seat of the Awujale, Ode, the seat of Lenuwa, in present day Ogun Water side Local Government, Oke-Eri, purported to be the home of the biblical queen of Sheba, called Bilikisu in Ijebu legends), Ugbo, the ancient city of the Ilajes, Idanre (the home of Ogun, the god of iron), all show some similarities and identities in their monarchical and religious authorities.Basil Davidson, Olumide Lucas, Tariqh Sawandi, and even the present Awujale of Ijebu land, have pointed to ancient Egypt or Nubia as the origin of Yoruba monarchical system. All the above have used the similarities or the identities of cultural practices to substantiate their claims.

If the Yorubas left the Egyptian or the Nubian axis, they must have left during turbulent periods of war, economic stagnation or religious persecution. Thus, we shall examine the periods of upheavals in black Egypt and black Nubia; and examine when the Yoruban aristocracy descended from the Nile valley. They may not be one migration, but several migrations and the personality called Oduduwa, must have led one of the various migrations.

The first crop of migrants or southward push of the Egyptians took place about 2000BC – 500BC. The Hyksos invasion (2000-1500BC) caused some of these southward migrations. Many of the black Egyptians seemed to have moved to Yoruba land during this period. .

The second wave of migrations will correspond to what Laoye Sanda, of the department of Public Administration,The Polytechnic,Ibadan refers to as the black Nubian emigrants. The Nubians were black, they occupied present day Sudan, which was an integral part of the Egyptian Empire. The vocabulary, body scarification, and religious discourse resemble those of the Ijebus and more so, the Itsekiri. The 1984 Awujale’s coronation manual will make this manifest. These migrations occurred about 500BC.

A third wave of migration took place between 90BC and 30BC. The present writers feel the personality called Oduduwa, came in that migration trend.

A fourth migration will correspond to the Christian conquest of Egypt, about 100AD.

The last wave of migration will correspond to the Arab enforced emigration, between 700AD – 1100AD, when the Arabs had consolidated their control over Egypt; they chased the last batch of traditional worshipping Egyptians from Egypt. This occurrence would have led to many Yoruba claiming that their ancestors were chased from somewhere in the Middle East for not accepting Islam.

The proof of archaeology

There has been a dearth of archaeological researches in Nigeria. Whatever research has been done is not final, for new finds can be found in future.

The most ancient archaeological finds in Nigeria are the following: (1) the relic at Iwo Eleru (with a radio carbon date of about 12,000BC). Iwo Eleru is close to Akure, Ondo State. (2) The findings at Igbo-Ukwu of about 6000BC. (3) The findings at the Mejiro cave near Oyo (about 4000BC). The Nok culture that is more than 1000BC. (4) The Oke-Eri walls and graves purported to be more than a thousand years. The walls are reputed to be the biggest in the world, but for the walls of China. (5) The bronze heads at Ife about 1000AD. (6) The bronze heads at Benin about 1400AD. This might authenticate the Ife claim that the Binis got the civilization of bronze casting from the Ifes. Both the Binis and the Ifes claim that Igueghae was the one who taught the Binis how to cast bronze, during the reign of the Oba Oguola, fourth king from Eweka, the son of Oramiyan, a distant descendant of Oduduwa from Ife.

THE LINGUISTIC LINKAGES

According to the studies of philology and etymology, most of the languages in Nigeria in the Kwa group of languages have a meeting point. The Yorubas and Idoma separated some six thousand years ago; while the Yoruba and Igalas separated about 2 thousand years ago; two thousand years ago corresponds to the time that the Yoruba dialects: Ekiti, Ijebu, Oyo, Itsekiri, Ilaje, Ikale etc started having distinct dialectical identities.

Linguistic studies have indicated that Yorubas in the Eastern Flanks of the Yoruba nation; Ekiti, Yagba, Kabba, Owo, Ijebu, Itsekiri and to some extent the Ifes, speak the most ancient Yoruba dialects. Glottochronological studies have shown that the dialects in the south east are more ancient than those of central Yoruba land and western Yoruba land. The table displays it further still.

A table showing east to west ancientness of the Yoruboid languages.

ENGLISH ITSEKIRI YORUBA OYO – YORUBA
RESPECT OGHO OWO
MONEY OGHO OWO
LOOK GHO WO
SAY GIN WI
FORBID GHO( r ) WO( r )
THEM AGHAN AWON

The table shows that the Itsekiri dialect retains the more ancient “gh” or “g” guttural sound to the more liquid “w” of the Oyos.

If it is taken that the Yoruban ruling class came from Egypt, the southern Yoruba block, particularly the Itsekiri, would have served as an initial stopping point and a secondary course of dispersal. The table displays it further still

EGYPTIAN ITSEKIRI-YORUBA OYO-YORUBA
ADUMU (Water god) ADUMU (Water god) ADAMU (A god)
Kuku (Darkness) Okuku (Darkness) Ouku (Darkness)
Dudu (Black Image of Osiris) Dudu (black ) Dudu ( black )
Omi (Water) Omi (Water) Omi (Water)
Heket-Re (Frog god) Ekere (Frog) Akere (Frog)
Horise (Sky god) Orise (Sky god) Orisa (A god)
Hika (Evil) Ika (Evil) Ika (Evil)
Shu (Evil god) Eshu (Evil god) Eshu (Evil god)
Co-opted from 500 word-word correlation between, Yoruba and Egyptian languages .

From the above, it means that the eastern Yoruba blocs such as the Itsekiri, Ilaje, Ijebu and the Owo are more cognate with the Egyptian than those of Oyo or Ife. .

The Awujale has testified that the Itsekiri are speaking the original Ijebu dialect. . This is why Bolaji Idowu derived the origin of Oritse to the Itsekiri-Owo axis within the eastern Yoruba kingdoms,

It is proper here to state that the word “Orise” is almost cognate with the Egyptian, Horise. Both deities represent very high gods, Both deities were first water divinities before they became sky or heavenly divinities. Both words are derived from identical etymological origins. Hori(Ori) means head in both places. “Se”, means a source in both places. Thus both words mean a source of creation in both places. This type of linguistic similarity or identity cannot have arisen by mere accident - there was a concrete historical intercourse. The Binis call God Oyisa, a corruption of the eastern Yoruba form. This is certain because the Binis cannot derive the meaning of Oyisa by breaking the word into morphemes as the Yoruba can display, or draw up any identity with ancient Egypt.

A SCIENTIFIC ANALYSIS OF THE MYTHS

1. Oduduwa – The myth of Oduduwa seems to be valid. Minus the fact that many Yoruba claim descent from Oduduwa, some Urhobos and even Ijaws also claim descent from Oduduwa.
2. Ekaladerhan – This name exists in very little, if at all it exists, in the oral tradition of any of the Bini neighbors. There has been no relevant oral tradition among any of the circumjacent peoples that can recognize Ekaladerhan or identify him as Oduduwa. So, the Ife claim concerning Oduduwa seems to be more tenable.
3. Oduduwa’s descent from heaven – The Ife’s have been totally embarrassed by the invectives thrown on them by the Binis in their I claim that Oduduwa fell from the sky.

Yes! It is true. People can fall from the sky as modern interaction between earthmen and those from other planets have authenticated, and this can be displayed both in mythology and in real hardcore science in many parts of the world. The story of Ezekiel in the bible, the story of the Dogon mystic tribe of Mali are cases in point.

Then, some Yoruba ancestors would have been some of the Umales (aborigines) using their Umale-Olunas (spaceships) to travel across the universe, as this can still be sighted in Yoruba land today.
4. The huge bodies of water which the Bini and Yoruba mythologies claim their ancestors landed, would have been one of two waters (1) the Atlantic ocean, the home of Umale-Okun at the coastal flanks of Yoruba land , or the Mediterranean which was the biggest body of water known to the ancient Negro Egyptians.

BINI AND EASTERN YORUBA HISTORICAL LINKAGES
- The Monarchies

There are areas where the eastern Yorubas and the Binis have a lot of historical linkages. It is an indisputable fact that the founder of the present Itsekiri dynasty was Ginuwa, the first son of Oba Olua of Benin. The Binis ruled over most parts of Ondo state: Akure and Ode-Ondo, to be more specific. They even established dynasties in some of these places, including Owo. There are a lot of titles that the Eastern Yorubas derived from the Binis. Those titles include: Ologbotsere, Iyatsere, Otsodin, Olisan (Oliha) etc. There are also many areas where the Binis are indebted to the Eastern Yorubas. Many of these have not been given prominence by historians. But the more we delve into History, the more we are convinced of Binis indebtedness to the Yorubas, particularly the Itsekiri-yorubas. Some of this indebtedness are the Bini religious discourse, the conquest of Lagos, the manufacture of salt etc.

THE CONQUEST OF LAGOS
On face value, the Lagos conquest seemed to have been done by the Binis. Many authorities however, agree that it is the Itsekiri of Warri that served in the Navy that attacked Lagos. The assertion is likely to be true because of the following (1) The Binis are not watermen and could not easily travel on the lagoons to Lagos. (2) The name ‘Olu’ is common among Lagos Obas eg. The Olu of Ikeja, the Olu Eko of Eko (Eleko) etc. The name ‘Olu’ is Itsekiri or Oyo-yoruba and not Edo or Bini (3) The Eyo masquerade attire and dance style is similar to that of Awankere of Warri. It is true that the Eyo masquerade originated in Ijebu, but the attire is purely of Warri origin. This will authenticate a not-too-popular Okere(Warri) legend, that it was the descendants of Ekpen that accompanied Orhogbua (Osogbua) to conquer Lagos. .

. Also, the drums used by the Awori people bear striking resemblance to the Itsekiri drums, but bear no resemblance to the Bini drums. In summary, the material culture of the Aworis is far more akin to the Itsekiri than to the Binis.

Now hear the authorities: Captain Leonard says; “Of the Jekri (Itsekiri) also there is much more definite, although to a certain extent contradictory evidence. According to one account, they are said to be closely connected with the Yoruba, the Warri kingdom having extended to and embraced Lagos as well as some of the surrounding territories to this day (1906), in fact, Jekri inhabit the strip of country, along the coast from the Benin river westward to Lagos” This might be due to the fact that Itsekiri held most of the trading posts along the coast when Leonard was writing.

Captain Leonard in another section of his work says: “And from all accounts, it is more than possible, if not evident that the army of warriors who founded Lagos proceeded in reality from Warri, but doubtless by the command of the king of Benin”.

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Corroborating Leonard and Nirven that the Itsekiri aristocracy has at least some politico-economic interests in Lagos, H. Ling Roth says “Such corals as the Binis had, were obtained through Jekri traders either from the Benin River or Lagos”.

ORIGIN OF BINI BEADS

The Itsekiri have always claimed that beads started with them and that the Binis got their beads from them. Settlements such as Omadino, Inorin, Ureju and Korobe area of the Warri kingdom are the ancient Itsekiri settlements with the bead industry.

The people of Ureju and Korobe in Koko claimed to have given Ogboruware (Ewuare), probably a usurper to the Bini throne, beads for the first time. There is a legend among the Korobes, that Ogboruware (Ewuare), had his swelling disease as a result of an affliction placed on him by Korobe, a legendary spiritual woman. Now hear the authorities:

H Ling Roth says

According to Bold, coral beads, “are the intrinsic treasures of the rich, being held in highest estimation and from their rarity, are only in the hands of a few chiefs, whose avidity for them is immeasurable, the species admired are the pipe beads of various dimensions and are valued at ten large jars of oil an ounce, of the smaller sort, and so on in the proportion for the larger sized”. Mr. Punch informs me that “as a matter of fact, the king of Benin had few, if any of the large coral beads such as Nanna, Dore, Dudu and Jekri chiefs obtained from the merchants in the Benin River. His coral was insignificant pipe agate and was only significant when made up into vests and hats. The Benin value more the agate beads and especially the dull agate was a king’s gift and no one could wear such a necklet unless it was given to him by the king. It was death in fact, to wear it otherwise. The shiny crystalline agate, with white quartz, anyone could wear. Such corals as the Binis had were obtained through Jeiri traders, either from the Benin river or Lagos. The Binis said it was dug up at the back of Benin but everything in the days I am speaking 14 – 15 years ago (from 189cool which was at all mysterious came from the back of Benin .

Eve de Negri says,

“This coral was first discovered (so it is told) during the fifteenth century in the reign of Oba Ewuare. This type of coral was obtained from a tree, growing on the sandy bank of the Benin River”.

PC llyod also commented that Itsekiri legends claim that their ancestors, the Umales, got the blue corals from particular trees that were growing in the Jekri country.

from the above quotations, it is evident that the Benin got their beads from the Itsekiri, and the Itsekiri legends that they gave beads to Oba Ogboruware (Eware), has to be positively examined by scientific historians.

BINIS LEARNT ABOUT SALT FROM THE ITSEKIRI
The Binis are land-bound people and they know very little about salt. Itsekiri legends testify that they gave salt to Binis for the first time

The Itsekiri are known as the manufacturers of salt, Alagoa, H Ling Roth, and Obaro Ikime, agree to this position. H. Ling reports,

“According to Roupel’s officials, king Osogbua (Orhogbua) is credited with discovering salt in the Jekiri country”. Pg. 142.H Ling Roth Great Benin

It is now factual that Orhogba discovered salt when he came to the Jekiri (Itsekiri) country to seek the assistance of the Itsekiri navy in order to attack Lagos. In 1818 they also sought the assistance of Kaye, an Itsekiri mystic-warrior in order to attack Akure. He was given Ologbo some 25 kilometres south of Benin city.

The itsekiri were the major salt producers in the Niger delta area. On this hear Alagoa: “the itsekiri supplied clay pots to to such Ijo communities as the Gbaramatu and Bassan, and and also sold salt to traders from eastern delta who took it up the Niger………Other Ijo exchanged dried fish and salt ,which was manufactured by the Itsekiri ,with the Urhobo ,Isoko and Igbo groups along the periphery of the Niger Delta and along the Lower Niger” (Alagoa 1989:729)

WATER RELIGION OF THE BINIS

The cult of Olokun (the water religion) of the Binis seems to be purely alien. This is due to the following reasons: (1) the Binis are a land based people. Their main occupations are; farming, hunting and sculpture. So it will be unthinkable for the Binis to have a water religion as a major cult. (2) If a water religion exists among the Binis, and it has become prominent, the Binis might have copied from one of their riverine neighbors (3) these neighbours are the Ijaws, the Itsekiris, the Ilajes, and more distant neighbours being, the Asabas, the Onitshas, the Afenmai or Igala people around the river Niger.

The Afenmais and the Igalas seem too distant from Benin to have a good influence on them. The Asabas and the Onitshas, also, seem to be too far away form Benin. Minus that, they don’t seem to have any serious water cult to influence the Binis to have a viable water religion.

Thus, the Bini (a land locked people) must have had their water religion from the Ijaws, the Itsekiris or the Ilajes. The Bini religious discourse has nothing to do with the Ijaws. Besides that, the Ijaws that are the immediate neighbours of the Binis did not have any significant civilization. These Ijaw neighbours are the Egbemas, the Arogbos, the Apois–now Yoruba-speaking–the Ogbe-Ijohs, the Isabas, the Gbaramatus, the Ogulaghas, the Oburutus, and the Meins. No significant civilization or kingdom has emerged from these Ijaw clans. E.J Alagoa asserted that most of these Ijaws did not arrive their area by 1500, which is quite recent according to historical chronology. The cases settled in the Supreme Court between the Ijaws and the Itsekiri; place the date of Ijaws coming to these areas at the early 19th century. Now, hear Prof.Alagoa , an Ijaw doyen of history:

“Pereira’s record suggests that those Ijo groups now living west of the Forcados and east of the Bonny had not yet arrived at their present territory by 1500”. Thus, it is unthinkable for the Binis to have copied the water religion from the Ijaws.

The Itsekiri and the Ilajes receive the likelihoodof having given water religion to the Binis for the following reasons:1)The Binis situate the home of Olokun, the god of the sea, in the Atlantic Ocean. Both the Itsekiris and the Ilajes are in the Atlantic coast. (2) The Bini religious discourse shows a strong Yoruba affinity. The name, Olokun, (Olu Okun) is an eastern Yoruba name that can apply to the Itsekiri as well as Ilajes, as eastern Yoruba dialects. The Binis call God Osa, which is the same word that the Itsekiri call father. The other Bini word for God, Oyise, is clearly corruption of the much older Itsekiri name, Oritse. . In the early days of November 2004 , the Bini Monarch invoked an Ilaje deity, Aiyelala, to recover some property that was stolen from the Oba Market in Benin . This will authenticate the Ilaje story of the Binis coming to Ugbo once every year to serve Umaleokun, the water god of the Ugbo Yoruba
H. Ling Roth went further, quoting Burton says:

“Similar to other west Africans, the Bini When drinking,the Binis always pour a few drops upon the ground, muttering the while (Mobia, Malaku Mobia (Mobie, Umalokun, Mobie) – Ibeg, O Malaku (Umale-Okun, fetish guardian of lands and waters 1 beg of thee to defend me against all evil, to defeat and destroy all my foes”. This said, a broken bittock of Kola (stercula acuminata) is thrown upon the ground, and is watered with a few drops of palm wine.” Burton Pg. 281. Mobia (Mobie) is however the Jekiri for “1 beg you : 59.

It is evident that the Bini religious discourse was, and to some extent is, still infiltrated with Itsekiri and Ilaje. This is most evident in the water religion of the Binis.

From the above, we see that some of the most important aspects of the Bini civilization: their bead industry, the cult of Olokun (Olu Okun – King of the sea), their salt industry etc are from the eastern Yoruba land of Itsekiri and to some extent the Ilajes. Apart from this, the Itsekiri warrior, Ikaye, saved the Bini kingdom from being crushed by the Akures. For his settlement Oba Semede gave him Ologbo.
Again when there was leadership dispute between Obaseki and Aigwobasinwin, it was an Itsekiri chief, Dore Numa, who restored the Benin monarchy. He also gave them a lot of beads which the Bini aristocracy has not returned till today. It is therefore unthinkable that Ife, where the Yoruba kingship blossomed, would have copied from Benin. This is most evident when we consider the following facts: (I) The name, Oba (the Edo word for king), is copied from the Yorubas, particularly those from Ife (2) the heads of the Obas of Benin were taken to Ife, until very recently. The place where the heads of the Obas of Benin were buried is still called “Orun Oba Ado”, “the heaven of the kings of Benin”. (3) The Binis normally take permission from the Ooni, to crown new kings. There is no recorded history that the Oonis took permission from the Binis before getting crowned (4) The official language in the court of the Oba of Benin until 1934 was Yoruba. There was no time that Bini language was spoken in Ife. The Portuguese and other Europeans who were in the Bini area for more than 500 years (from 1486 when they got to Benin till 1960.)had no knowledge of Oduduwa being a Bini man.

So, scientifically speaking, the Ife position seems more tenable than that of the Benin. Oral traditions can be fabricated. So, rigorous history of the 21st century must be purely scientific – even if we recourse to oral tradition, they must face scientific testing and not based on moribund oral tradition. Aspects such as linguistic analysis, archaeological discoveries, cultural practices etc, must come into the forefront when reconstructing the history of preliterate peoples like the Binis and the Ifes.
THE EDOS ARE DESCENDED FROM THE IRIGBO OF ODE_ITSEKIRI
In one of their accounts, the Edos claim discent from God himself, who they say is the grand father of Iso (Sky) who in turn is the grand father of Idu, ancestor of the Binis. One of the brothers of Idu called. Olukumi (the Yorubas were first called Olukumi, today a tribe called olukumi, speaking a language very similar to Itsekiri-Yoruba, and the legends claim they all descended from Egypt, are to be found in parts of Edo and Delta States) lived with him in Uhe (Ife) before they left to found Benin. Michael Crowder: “The story of Nigeria”, Page 63.

The word Olukumi in Itsekiri, means a friend of mine. The word Olukumi, rather than Ore is still used in Ife is evident that Idu and his brothers left to Ile-Ife, after the southward migration of the Yorubas to Ode-Itsekiri and thence to Ile-ife. This is why the story of a watery terrain remains in the tradition of the Binis and the Ifes who are located very far from the Atlantic coast. The vast expanse of water, where the ancestors of the Binis and the find themselves is no other place than the Itsekiri territory of the Atlantic coast.

At a time, the powerful Bini kingdom was paying tax to the Olu of Warri when the yoke of imperialism crumbled the once great kingdom of the Guinea. Concerning this issue Michael Crowder says:

“With the decline of Ughoton
the Benin had to use theports of the Benin river and thus, pay dues to the Olu of Warri in whose territory the ports was located”.17

In conclusion the Itsekiris introduced the following to Benin: salt, beads, and the worship of Umale Okun. The Itsekiri under Dore also helped the Binis to revive their monarchy. "
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Who wrote this nonsense?

Benin payed tax to Warri?

The Itsekiri conquered Lagos?

The Edo got beads from the Itsekiri?

The Edo are descended from some Itsekiri clan?

Dore Numa restored the Benin monarchy?

The language of the Benin court was Yoruba? The heads of the kings of Benin were buried in Ife?

The Binis call God Oyisa?

Urhobos claim descent from Oduduwa?

This is some heavy propaganda.
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Dede1: One of Ogisos lamented about the worse blunder he ever committed was an attempt to move southeast ward.
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In fact, it is recorded that certain besieged kingdoms had sought military help in the form of mercenary from Ndigbo
Strictly out of curiosity, which kingdoms were these?
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Ijebu Yoruba. He admitted on another thread a while back that his Yoruba wasn't exactly the best.

Ijebu-Igbo is just a town, not a group, right? So even if he were from there he'd still be Ijebu Yoruba.
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Ileke-IdI:
First of all, [i]Oyin [/i]means honey, not bees.
Aren't you Bini or something like that? undecided
amor4ce is Ijebu.
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