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Long, windy nonsense that fails to make any thought provoking point.

Arguing for God with the Bible or Tora is still the same thing as arguing for Batman with Marvel Comics.

jpphilips:
The bold part can only come from a banker, TSA is wrong because the government decided to remove its funds from the banks abi?
What has the banks contributed to manufacturing since being in charge of the funds?
You forget that banks are private businesses why should government funds be there in the first place? Abi na only banks dey do business in Nigeria? Don't you think that Ibeto and Dangote deserve to have government funds too?
Banks should devise modalities to attract idle funds not depending on the governmnet, there is no country in the world where Government funds make money for banks while the real sectors decay, you guys should grow up and do real banking not whining about awoof money.

You don't cut your nose to spite your face.

The ability of banks to create credit is extremely vital to economic growth.
Look at how the Bank of Japan, the European Central Bank, the US Federal Reserve, Bank of England, etc, etc, pump unlimited liquidity into their banking systems on a monthly basis to stimulate economic growth.

Pulling N3tr from the banking system at period of economic weakness was nothing but suiciding the economy to fight corruption.

It's like applying a jackhammer to your Scrotum to fight off a pesky fly.
At the end of the day, both the fly and your Family Jewels are history.

That's not very smart at all.

timpaker:

[b]That's not true.
The female poets may not be that popular like the men, but there are quite a number of them. At least I have about 3 of them as friends on the most popular social media hub. But we are talking about poetry in Islam and not Islamic female poets.



Just incase you're not satisfied with what I am saying and would want to argue further, here is a piece of poem by a Muslim lady, her name is Jenne Zaghloul (a Convert) and her poem is tagged "I am a Muslim Woman"

I am a Muslim woman
Feel free to ask me why
When I walk,
I walk with dignity
When I speak
I do not lie

I am a Muslim woman
Not all of me you'll see
But what you should appreciate
Is that the choice I make is free

I'm not plagued with depression
I'm neither cheated nor abused
I don't envy other women
And I'm certainly not confused

Note, I speak perfect English
Et un petit peu de Francais aussi
I'm majoring in Linguistics
So you need not speak slowly

I run my own small business
Every cent I earn is mine
I drive my Chevy to school & work
And no, that's not a crime!

You often stare as I walk by
You don't understand my veil
But peace and power I have found
As I am equal to any male!

I am a Muslim woman
So please don't pity me
For God has guided me to truth
And now I'm finally free!

There are countless of them, just because you don't know one does not mean they don't exist.

Even little Malana (I hope she forgives me for calling her that) writes and speak poetry (though I can't find any now, not as if all poetry are written).

Lastly, the religion is not aversive, just that they are mostly conservative. Permit me to ask, have you listened to there songs or you are just basking on your perception about them?

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Exactly my point, poetry strictly for the exaltation of religious doctrine is less than poetry.

Show me an Islamic poem or music or art about love, about the beauty of nature.

Poetry, music and art are about imagination and FREE , unrestricted expression.
Anything less than that is neither poetry, music nor art.

Dp

May I remind everyone once again that OBJ inherited $3b in reserves, oil price in the teens, $38b in external DEBT, a highly corrupted and polarized military, and a politically and ethnically polarized nation in 1999.

What did he do?
He quickly assembled the best brains he could summon, not his cousins and in-laws, and went to work to lay the foundations for the economic reversals and growth that we sustained til 2015.

Did OBJ make many mistakes?
Sure he did. That comes with the territory.

Yaradua and GEJ continued with the foundations that OBJ laid and set Nigeria on an economic trajectory never in a generation.

No country foresaw the collapse of oil. During the GEJ era, States fought for more money from the federation account, and spent more.

GEJ spent good money on notable CAPITAL projects, education, agriculture, power, rail etc.

To look back and say that he should have kept the money instead of investing in capital projects is very dumb and disingenuous.

This government is a bundle of contradictions.
Even Kemi Adeosun had earlier lamented that country's debt to GDP ratio was too low, because, she asserted, the previous government didn't borrow enough.

One moment you blame the previous government for not borrowing enough to fund capital projects, then with the other side of your mouth you blame them for not saving enough.

For Pete's sake, they saved $30b, funded the beggarly State governments, and still shied away from excessive borrowing.

Should I remind everyone again that same governors who are now in this present government sued the federal government under GEJ to stop from establishing a sovereign wealth fund ?
Have we forgotten so soon?

Besides all these, had Buhari and his APC known that oil revenues were going to be this bad, what would they have done in hindsight?
Abstain from contesting the 2015 elections for fear of being saddled with the enormous RESPONSIBILITIES ?

Leadership 101: TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY.

DAAHHHH!!

Mynd44:
Negotiating with terrorists?

Start that and you can't go back. Boko haram will simply kidnap more people and force you to trade them.

You do not etotiate as though you are disadvantaged , you negotiate from a strong.

War is not won based on emotions

Not true Sir.
Governments all over the world negotiate with their enemies, but in secret.

Publicly, they denounce negotiations with terrorists and enemies, but discreetly, they do, especially when there's something to gain.

In fact, negotiating with the enemy gives the government time, flexibility and valuable intelligence in infiltrating, destabilizing and ultimately defeating the enemy.

Oluwabusobomi:
Can anything good come out of this skull?

Nope.
Not this museum piece, a stubborn vestige of a bygone era, a dark era.

shadeyinka:
I agree with all you have said except technology transfer. It is a Nigerian English which does not exist anywhere.

No country transfers its technology. Technology is either Bought, Developed, Clonned or Stolen; never transfered.

Excellent point.

How could there be technology transfer when our government allows oil companies allows oil companies to bring in medium level engineers and management staff from the Philippines and other places, instead of training available Nigerians for the work ?

The government has sooo much to do to re-engineer our entire economy.

donbenedict:
central bank should mop up excess naira chasing few goods!

That measure is usually taken when inflation is caused by an overheating economy.
What we have now is the opposite, a comatose economy, where there is actually very little money floating in the system.

What we have right now is a rare case of STAGFLATION, inflation in a stagnant economic environment.

My opinion is that this STAGFLATION was caused or at the least, exacerbated by the wrong headed TSA implementation.
Therefore, any additional Moping of liquidity in this economy would make Venezuela look like a paradise.

shadeyinka:
Except for Rice and Wheat, I think Nigeria produced enough food. Even, then increasing our food supply except if you have exportation in mind doesn't solve the weakning Naira problem

If we produced enough food, then the prices of foodstuffs wouldn't be increasing in the manner that they are.

donbenedict:
I think Nigeria can do better without a senate

100℅.

We should have part time legislators who are only paid sitting allowances. That way, we can attract people who mean well for the country rather than the leaches and billionaire-wanna-bes we currently have.

grodt999:
rubbish,

Nelson Mandela decided to forgive the murders and exploitation of south Africa by whites, as a result he left 90% of his country's wealth in the hands of the minorities. For his troubles he received international awards and good press from white people who benefitted from his idiocy!

Black Africans usually forgive their governments and foreign exploiters because they believe judgement day will get them.

Forgiveness is a disease and an illiterate catastrope that has rendered most blacks nothing more than f0ols!

100℅ correct.

It's only black people I hear talking that forgiveness crap.
Yet , white people do not ever forgive.
In fact, their god has no intention of forgiving sinners.
That's why hell is kept stoking hot for eternity.
Daahhhh!!

Their entire civilization is built solidly on the principles of reward and punishment.

timpaker:

[b]
Islam is not against poetry, infact I have friends in Turkey, Iran and Saudi Arabia who are great poets one of them even teaches in a college at Istanbul.

Last year I read a poem by one dude from Damascus (unfortunately he was killed this year by ISIS fighters in Syria) and it was dope! I don't think Islam forbids poetry or critical writing.

Someone mentioned (Plaetton) here that the Judeo- Christian are against poetry even though he didn't explain just like the way I wanted Seun to explain why a religion would be against such a marvellous thing that speaks the voice of one's heart, but I have taken it upon myself to research on it.

On one of the poetry forums I belong to, the Muslim are amongst the best poet, need I say the Indians and Pakistanis are arguably better poet's than the Englishman. I guess that explains why their songs, movies and culture revolves around it while the Pakistanis are just superb in their delivery.

Even Maclatunji loves poetry even though he's too shy to write for us to read.
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Poetry that only exalts a religious belief is far from being poetry.
Real poetry is rich in free expression, not restricted to religious praise or exaltation of doctrines.

To prove my point, kindly name one female Islamic poet that you know or have heard of.

Even the so-called Islamic art is completely devoid of life and soul.
How could it, when Islam is aversive to love, merriment and joy ?

timpaker:
Which religion is against poetry, Mr. Seun?

The Judeo-Christian religions, of course.

ccffwx:
What I mean is that that idea is actually people's interpretation of what they do not understand. And it has been accepted as truth. Many people are either lazy or afraid to probe it. GOD did not make man superior to woman. Man and woman are of one specie of being. That things are done for order to exist does not mean that I'm superior to you. On judgment day, everybody will be judged same. So I'm saying that it's not GOD's idea but human interpretation that man is superior thisthat as you pointed out in the post. Thanks.

If something is always always prone to misinterpretation and abuse, then it is obviously flawed.

Even an effective drug with too much side effects are usually banned from the market.

If religion was any good, it wouldn't be prone to all the problems associated with it.

Do you know the main thing that is wrong with religion ?

It is not grounded on reality, but on myths and fantasies.

komekn:
What I am saying is that temporary control does not give you ownership or changes the very unique historical inheritance of the city of David.

Let me ask you a simple question.
And please answer it honestly.

Using modern scientific tools, if you to trace your own ancestry down to the last 3800 yrs, and your trace lands you in the middle of the biggest gold deposits in Ghana or diamond deposits in Liberia or rich fertile lands in the Congo, would claim a legitimate right of return as the original owners or inhabitants of any of the above mentioned lands?

Do you get my drift?

At the end of the day, you see that your arguments, your position on this issue is based or greatly influenced by Religious sentiments, and nothing else.

komekn:
I watched Benjamin Netanyahu trace his heritage 2000 years to Jerusalem city of David a city 3800 years old.

This is both very hilarious and ignorant( again, no disrespect to you intended).

Natanyahu is a fanatical Zionist, a psychopath, and a war criminal.
So, citing Natanyahu as a historical authority on Palestine is very very laughable.

First of all , my brother, the Bible is not history. Once you understand that, then you might see the issue from a different perspective.

The Israeli government has been digging up everywhere for more than 50 yrs, desperately looking for a historical or archeological link, or proof of ancestry, a historical Certificate Of Occupancy( C of O) to justify their continued illegal occupation of Palestinian lands, all with no success.

Every historical claim has one after another turned out to be archaeologically bogus.
Every now and then they make spurious claims of finding this or that artifact that links them to king David, king Solomon, etc. But when put through critical archeological analysis, such claims always tend to show no scientific and historical basis.

Here are the FACTS:

Till date, there has been Zero historical and archeological proof that the so-called kingdoms of David and Solomon ever existed.
I know this may shock you.

The ancient Hebrews were no more than few thousand moving tent dwellers who left ZERO historical and archeological proof that they settled anywhere for any extended period of time, talkless of building a sprawling empire.
This is not merely my opinion.
There just isn't any proof.

Archeological excavations throughout Israel have tended to reveal the presence of Canaanite tribes that occupied the areas at different eras.
No sign of Hebrew culture.

And yes, the city of Jerusalem has changed hands many times over the last 1000yrs.
How does that prove ownership in favor of the Jews.

Even in the Bible, the ancient Hebrews supposedly went on a genocidal org.y to drive away the inhabitants of the areas they occupied. Does that confer ownership to them ? If so, then whoever eventually drove them out Should also be the legitimate claimants to the lands in question.

What's good for the geese is also good for the gander.

drss2:
ffk on point It is public knowledge dat APC is a party of witches n bewitchmental charms where a person's sense of reasoning is put inside calabash n replaced with zombie like brain ready to support an expired dullard like buari.

komekn:
Plaetton,



I will remind you that this oldest of conflicts at the center of the world predates Nigeria and even all our great great great grandparents.

This is grossly false.
Funny enough, it is only amongst Africans that I hear this type of rubbish( no disrespect intended).

This conflict started with the creation of the State of Israel in 1948, has escalated in recent times by the illegal seizures of land and houses from Palestinians in order to build settlements for the so-called returning Jews from Eastern Europe.

Contrary to what most Nigerians ignorantly think, the conflict is not a religious conflict, but a simple land theft or occupation.

Having said that, Israel is there to stay for ever. It is in their best interest for a peaceful resolution that includes the creation of a separate Palestinian state. You can't keep people in an open air prison for ever.

kutchs:
Yes you are right about the thread not being Biafra's but we can relate the Biafra issue to the Palestine's. The two bother on a peoples' quest to be free from oppression. They are asking to leave so if you support a free Palestinian state you should also support a free Biafra state.

But of course, I support a Free Biafra state.

But the two issues should not be mutually exclusive.

komekn:
In making your assertion it would be enlightening if you could give some reasons for your opinion.

The black race, the African people , have been the recipients of the worst forms of injustice in human history.
We have been enslaved, bought and sold as merchandise, we have been colonized, our lands and resources balkanized, we have been neocolonialized, suffered segregation, discrimination, been culturally genocided, and the list goes on.

We , as a people, should always be the first to stand with oppressed people in any part of the world.
We , of all the races, should empathize with occupied and oppressed people anywhere in the world.

It would be a sad hypocrisy if we could loath oppression and segregation in apartheid South Africa, and then turn a blind eye on more egregious acts of human indignity in Palestine.

Justice for one is justice for All.

hakunajay:
To what end? Which of Nigerian numerous problems would that solve?
He who his house is on fire does not hunt rats...

I really don't understand you people.
What did it cost you and Nigeria to lend it's support and weight in fight against apartheid in South Africa?

What does it cost you to fight for justice or the human rights of another person or group, no matter how far away they are ?

When the Fulani herdsmen ravaged and murdered hundreds in Benue and other areas, do you not feel pained? Do you not cry out for justice ?

Justice for one human being is justice for you.

If there is no justice for other human beings, no matter their tribe or religion, your own justice is not guaranteed at anytime.

kutchs:
Invariably Nigeria should let Biafra go shouldn't she?

This is not a Biafra thread.

But, The right of self-determination is enshrined in the United Nations charter.

I see no reasons why different ethnic nationalities , who, since 1914, have been unable to build a united, workable nation free from mutual hatred and suspicion , cannot amicably go their separate ways.

cjrane:
[size=14pt]Northern Nigeria is actually the richest part of Nigeria.Just like Africa is the most resource rich continent in the world.

Like Africa, northern Nigeria is filled with wicked, greedy leaders who are concerned only for themselves, while telling the people to hate the southerners and the white men just to distract them from the atrocious leadership they get.[/size]

Agreed 100℅.

Educated people like Fulanimafia, who should be fighting for the common man, fighting for the birth and growth of the Northern middle class, is too busy here irrationally defending the Feudal oligarchs that are the main problems of the North.

fulanmafia:
Your lamentations have just begun.

While I do not support the Emirs admonition, and the trash you cobbled up there is not deserving of a response due to its sheer idiocy, it must be pointed out that it's completely absurd to ignore the 16 years of failed civilian leadership by the South and whine about the current economic situation which was ironically brought about by a core southerner while trying to heap blame on the North.

What makes your hypocrisy stink the most is the fact that you pretend to care for the Nigerian economy while supporting the scAvengers in their economic sabotage.

You can only wail.

Like I just told your co-traveller dropshot on another thread, can you , in all SINCERITY, say to a toddler, not an adult, that Nigeria was enjoying a golden era prior to the advent of the PDP regimes that lasted 16 yrs ?

Can you look at yourself in mirror and say to yourself that Nigeriaof 2015 was not 100 times better than the Nigeria of 1999 in every measurable index?

If you , a Northerner, didn't do well or see progress in the 16 yrs of PDP rule, then I shouldn't be surprised, and I suggest you do some self-introspection , and find out why you missed the train of unprecedented economic progress achieved during that era.

If you , as a group, didn't do well during the 16 yrs of good democracy and economic growth, you will certainly suffer more during these LOCUST years , no matter how many of you are appointed to federal offices.

DropShot:
It's ignorance, illiteracy, lack of understanding of how governance works and sheer hatred that could make anyone think that repairing damage of 16 years can happen in a year or 2.

C'mon.
Stop deceiving yourself.

The Nigeria of 2015 was 100 times better than the Nigeria of 1999 in every measurable index, in every imaginable way.

To say " 16 years of damage" implies that Nigeria was actually good or better 16 yrs ago before the advent of the PDP regimes.

Is that your assertion Sir?
Really ?

Can you honestly stand up and repeat to toddlers that Nigeria was in a golden era before the last 16 years ?

Your irrational and very DISHONEST statements should be a great embarrassment to the genuine people who actually support this government.

hakunajay:
Please what business does Nigeria has with Palestinian State? Our leaders should be more focused on Nigerian problems, people are suffering. Unless of course, there's a hidden agenda somewhere.

Every struggle for freedom and justice in any part of the world is everyone's business.

Africa,led by Nigeria , should lend our weight to demand for a free Palestinian State.

maclatunji:
Despite the problems of the North, its people do not go about sowing seeds of hate and subversion around the country.

I feel embarrassed for your amnesia and dishonesty.

How many riots, bloody riots and mass killings , religious or ethnic, have you ever heard of in Igboland since you were born ?

How many bloody riots and mass killings , ethnic and religious, have do you hear of in the North or by Northerners every month since you could hear?

We assume that the org.ies of mass killings we are inundated with every fortnight in the North or by Northerners are not borne out of hate for other people, but brotherly, patriotic love ?

You're a big joke.

You're a product of a dysfunctional system, where your system only permits you to use a small half of your thinking faculty.
That is the only explanation for posting such an outlandishly stuuuupid and historically false statement.

What a stuuuupid, condescending insult.

I don't blame the op, a Cradle to grave product of disfunctional system.

What an irony.
Regular Insults from imbeciles is the high price we pay for our citizenship in this nation.

Now, every discerning mind should figure why Igbos like myself would find the forced marriage between ourselves and people who think like the OP very loathsome.

Yuk! Is what easily comes to mind.

National politics.

In local parlance, who e don EPP

Those of you that are master craftsmen at the so-called local politics , what exactly do have to show for it ?

Northern Nigeria, the Masters of national politics in Nigeria are the proud centers of the lowest and most shameful quality of life indices in Nigeria and prominently in the world. Is that something that Igbos should envy ?

As Igbos, we say you can go to hell with your national politics.

Igbos, since the end of the civil war, have grown impervious to the never ending clown shows you call federal politics. We have grown above the tiny drops of milk the rest of you still salivate and depend upon.

Any time there is growth in the economy, the Igbo middle class expands.
At any point in time since the civil war, the Igbo middle class has been robust and expanding far more than any other group in Nigeria.

The day Nigeria gets good sincere leadership, whether from the North, the West or any other part of Nigeria, Igbos, as everyone knows, are and will always be in the best position to be the greater beneficiaries .

Therefore, maclatunji, to fxxx with your federal politics. Keep playing your federal politics of musical chairs.
Keep playing your game political motions without movement.
Keep regressing back to the Feudal characters of a bygone era.

Igbos do not ever , and will never have to ingratiate ourselves to anyone, any group, will never bow just to get drops of milk from any cow.
Those of you who are adept at it, the Masters of national politics, as you call yourselves, can go right ahead and continue right where you left off.

LFJ:
There is always a consequence for past actions and inactions. Unfortunately, with the visible evidences, there is no way we can exonerate Jonathan government from the current economic disaster.

Correction Sir.
Every past leader bears responsibility for Nigeria's disgraceful underdevelopement, and that includes, and especially, Mohammadu Buhari.

If you're objective enough, you would agree that Buhari's treason of 1984 led Nigeria to an avoidable trajectory of political, economic and social destruction and desolation.

It is grossly delusional to expect the primary cause of Nigeria's problems, a self- serving demagogue, to be the Messiah that magically solves Nigeria's problems.

First of all, he lacks the most essential character traits: SINCERITY and a broad mind.

Even cows cannot sit and wait 8 years before they criticize the zigzag, merry-go-round , unproductive ways of the herdsman.

onnenka:
So where did the soldiers get the bullets they have been using and still using from? Stop jumping from one rubbish to the other, someone reading the title of the thread would have thought you had something reasonable to say.

Don't be too harsh on him.
He is a paid lackey just trying to earn a living.
Jobs are scarce and things are hard.