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Politics › Re: U.S. Institute Of Peace Confirms Aisha Buhari's Visit On Its Twitter & Facebook by plaetton: 6:43pm On Aug 05, 2016
Omonigeriarere:
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You are still in the Wailing Episode 1, but Chapter 2.

Continuu.
Even a feeble rebuttal have sufficed.

Usual nonsense from those who have nothing upstairs to offer. undecided
Politics › Re: U.S. Institute Of Peace Confirms Aisha Buhari's Visit On Its Twitter & Facebook by plaetton: 6:24pm On Aug 05, 2016
brainpulse:
With what you typed, you showed incoherence in your thinking.
And by not pointing out the incoherence, your knee-jerk response reeks of incoherent thinking.
Politics › Re: U.S. Institute Of Peace Confirms Aisha Buhari's Visit On Its Twitter & Facebook by plaetton: 6:08pm On Aug 05, 2016
HungerBAD:
Finally.

This confirmation had just put a nail,on the coffin of the last credibility of Fayose,if there was ever one.

Fayose I can understand,as a man who puts the I in the word Incoherent,but it is those wailers here always saying Aisha should visit the US that should hide their heads in shame.
Aisha Buhari being in the US does nothing at all to exonerate her from the allegations made by Fayose, if they are true.

As a visiting wife of a head of state, she would obviously enjoy diplomatic immunity while she is there .

The US has good relations with US, and especially Obama with president Buhari. It is unlikely that the US would have embarrass her , president Buhari and Nigeria for Zero geopolitical gain.

Sealed indictments against foreign dignitaries are primary used for economic and geopolitical blackmail.

So even though she is there, we may never know what transpired or transpires beneath the surface to have made it possible for her to be there,.. again, assuming that she is indeed the right suspect in Haliburton scandal.
Business › Re: CBN To Sell Dollars To Pilgrims For 197 by plaetton: 12:35pm On Aug 05, 2016
ojun50:
don't hate being a Nigeria jst pray Nigeria get better in a short time
Oh yeah!

Pray, that's why we are using our scarce foreign exchange to subsidize prayer in a foreign country.

Brilliant Africans.
Business › Re: Naira Crashes To N400/$1 At Parallel Market, Lowest Rate Ever by plaetton: 3:51am On Aug 05, 2016
HungerBAD:
This is the Black Market rate as stated on the top right side.

Never trust any news from the Black Market,because 9 out of 10 times,it is the Currency Dealers who increase the real rate like this,so they can make a quick kill.

To the OP. What is the Official rate?let us work with that.
Ha ha ha ha.

The FARCE is strong with you.
smiley
Business › Re: CBN Blocks Money Transfers Into The Country From Most Operators by plaetton: 6:00pm On Aug 04, 2016
coolscott:
[size=13pt]I believe that Buhari is selfish with power. I see him attempting something illegal and fraudulent to hold on to power in 2019 even if his party and the people don't want him by 2015.

There's something that happens with people where they are grasping as kids. Want everything to themselves. Then as kids, we grow out of this. But some become manic grasping again, the way they were when they were kids. Some people become this way again at old age.

I am afraid Buhari is like that. To see that it was nothing but a mare a persistent "give me, give me, give me" that drove him through these 3 elections over 12 years and nothing really spectacular he was yearning to do for the country makes me think so.

If some of the wrong things being done now are some of the things planned to do, then I still see him being resolute on that path because it will mean that these things have burned strongly in his heart over this 12 or 16 year period so we can only imagine how determined he probably is to see it through (especially now when his hard efforts have resulted in placing him at the implementation stage).

I don't see this man letting go or wanting to let go even if he discovers that nobody (generally speaking) wants him
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Excellent psycho-analysis.

This is Buhari in a nutshell.
Though it's very sad, I laugh at those that delude themselves that anything good will come out from Buhari's rulership.
Business › Re: CBN Blocks Money Transfers Into The Country From Most Operators by plaetton: 5:55pm On Aug 04, 2016
onatisi:
I look and laugh.
"I cant think far,
I cant think madness"
It's NEPOTISM again.

This policy is for the exclusive benefits of the parasitic Feudal oligarchs that control First Bank and it's lucrative Western Union franchises.

Who pays?
Of course, the Nigerian people.

Buhari never ever dreams of making Nigeria a better place for everyone.
He only dreams of reshuffling things in favor of the Feudal oligarchs.
Business › Re: CBN Clamps Down On Foreign Money Transfers To Nigeria by plaetton: 3:39pm On Aug 04, 2016
proeast:
Buhari is apparently on a mission to destroy Nigeria's economy and the unfortumate thing is that he is actually succeeding!! The country keeps sinking with each passing day!!!!
Buhari has nothing but utter contempt for the Free market system.
Buhari is a feudal oligarch.

Anyone still believing that Buhari will make Nigeria a better place is delusional.
Business › Re: CBN Clamps Down On Foreign Money Transfers To Nigeria by plaetton: 3:34pm On Aug 04, 2016
cckris:
Citing "the greater economic good of Nigeria," the Central Bank stated that it will "not condone any attempt aimed at undermining the country's foreign exchange regime."

Is Buhari now ATTEMPTING TO CONTROL monies people earn outside Nigeria?
Once again, it's NEPOTISM at work.

You see, First Bank is the primary franchisee of Western Union in Nigeria, and Western Union transfers have for years made up the far greater bulk of First Bank's earnings.

With a deregulated forex regime, First Bank appears to be bleeding and desperate.
With their man in power, they they have lobbied and convinced him to nix the competitors for the exclusive benefits of Western Union and MoneyGram.

The losers ?
The Nigerian people, of course.

Once again, the federal might prevails in robbing the public to pay the Feudal oligarchs.
This is how we run things in this jungle.

If this is not corruption, I don't know what is.
Politics › Re: Almost Everything Is Confused In Nigeria Right Now - Even EFCC is Confused! by plaetton: 1:09am On Aug 04, 2016
TheTrueSeeker:
The part that got me laughing was the issue of Nigerian contingents to the Rio Olympic stranded in Australia...!!!

How did we get here for goodness sake?
Just imagine if the Ebola epidemic had happened or happens under this Buhari government. sad

Thousands would have perished in this country.
Business › Re: Duty Hike: "We Are Finished" - Importers, Agents by plaetton: 3:00pm On Aug 03, 2016
Trailblazer1:
Buhari was an evil sent by God to restore our lost sense and bring us closer to Him.
In times like this, you have no other option than to seek succor and solace in God.
I have renewed my relationship WITH God in other to survive this present evil called BUHARI undecided
Laughing out loud.

Did your old relationship with God expire?

Repeating the same thing over and over again while expecting a different outcome each time is the clinical definition of insanity.

Won't you consider that perhaps our over-reliance on skydaddy magic , rather than rational thinking, might actually be a contributing factor in our lack direction and progress ? huh
Politics › Re: The TSA: How Buhari Nuked The Nigerian Economy by plaetton(op): 6:46am On Aug 03, 2016
My friend Wirinet and LFJ, you guys are hung up on the technical arguments for the TSA.

Let me repeat, a government having a single Treasury account or whatever you want to call it is , and will always be a prudent idea.
I am not arguing for the pros and cons of having one.

I am arguing against the folly of draining the oil from an economic engine without any impact assessment or completely ignoring one.

Even while trying to build a solid structure or dismantling a redundant structure, good leadership demands an environmental impact assessment.
The imaginary or envisaged benefits has to balance or outweigh the disruptive and destructive potential to the immediate environment.

In this regard, the TSA implementation was a nuclear bomb to the banking and financial environment.
Those that initiated it , but later put it on hold were the wiser.

Again, as a rebuttal to your arguments, the US in 2008, could have, according to the dictates of the free market system and the Constitution, allowed the banks to fail and have a complete reset of the economic system, .but they prevailled to save the system because of the cascading catastrophic implosions that would have ensued.

There could have been a hundred ways of implementing the TSA, or it's intended goals, without having to nuke the entire system of which our economy rests.

The way the TSA was implemented says much about the the problem of leadership in Nigeria,..where state policies tend to be punitive rather ameliorative.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Barbaric Execution Of Ananias And Sapphira by plaetton: 12:05am On Aug 03, 2016
KingEbukaNaija:
Exactly . God is both a loving God and a consuming fire .
The FARCE is strong with you, young man.
Keep it up.

grin grin grin
Christianity Etc › Re: The Barbaric Execution Of Ananias And Sapphira by plaetton: 12:04am On Aug 03, 2016
Imagine subjecting children, chaining young, impressionable minds, to that handbook of immorality.

Funny thing is that these Pentecostal charlatans always always have their eyes on people's pockets, bank accounts and belongings.
Politics › Re: The TSA: How Buhari Nuked The Nigerian Economy by plaetton(op): 11:46pm On Aug 02, 2016
LFJ:
Disaster is not only when you have bad leaders. Having followers, especially youths with backward thinking is more of calamity than having a bad leader. How will somebody in his rightful sense against all avenue to block leakage? This is a usual practice all over the world. It is the right things for any responsible government to do. A government that is not fully in control of inflow and outflow of its money is not a government.
How do you want to plan when you don't even know what you have and what you don't have? One of the greatest problem we are facing as a country today is having many "educated illiterates" who suddenly become public commentators.
The real disaster is when you read something, fail to grasp the full thrust of the argument, and then attempt to repudiate the argument from a very narrow perspective.

No one disputes that the government and it's agencies need to keep the track of incoming and outgoing incomes.
No one disputes the need to streamline and synchronize all government accounts.
No one disputes that the government needed a single Treasury account or something similar if it helps stem corruption and abuse.

The point, which eluded you in your haste, is that a responsible government, a responsible leadership, does an impact assessment before embarking on major and potentially destabilising financial and monetary policy.

Keeping track of government accounts in REAL TIME is not rocket science. Any armature programmer can write software for that.

The issue here is about the sudden withdrawal of N3 trillion, about 4-5% of our GDP from the banking system.
From an economic point of view, this is not only gross lunacy, but actually very very Stuupid, with a capital S.

The bank of Japan , the ECB, the US Federal Reserve , etc, have desperately been throwing liquidity into their banking systems almost every quarter since 2008, just to rekindle and eke out some economic growth.

In 2008, the US Treasury had to inject the equivalence of 5% of their GDP into the banking system in order to prevent a catastrophic end of the entire global financial system and economy.

With that in mind, just imagine the government doing the exact opposite here in Nigeria, by forcefully removing the equivalence of 4-5% of Nigeria's GDP from the banking system , and at the very worst time possible, during a period of economic contraction .

Do you see my point at all ?
Can you see the type of micro and macro economic havoc being created here?
Can you not feel the chilling effects already?
Can we, the Nigerian people not feel the already Impending economic nuclear winter that is encroaching upon us ?

Economic common sense vs political bravado and expediency.

Good leadership entails taking carefully measured steps , not bravado.
Politics › Re: The TSA: How Buhari Nuked The Nigerian Economy by plaetton(op): 10:18pm On Aug 02, 2016
nnofaith:
the federal government is not supposed to be spoon feeding banks, people are just criticizing for criticizing sake, the withdrawal of government funds will only diminish the money creation abilities of banks it wont kill it, there other windows the bank can access to create money. i am a banker and i know what our public finance guys do with our common wealth. no bank is going to collapse because of TSA.
If you greatly diminish the money/credit- creating abilities if banks in a generator economy such as we have, then you have Nuked the entire economy.
Daahhhh!!
That's my point.

Which slowpoke drains the banking system of credit - creating abilities at a time of economic recession, when
every major economy, economies more robust and diversified that ours, are doing the exact opposite by pumping as much liquidity as possible into the economy via the banking system? shocked
Politics › Re: The TSA: How Buhari Nuked The Nigerian Economy by plaetton(op): 4:43pm On Aug 02, 2016
ichommy:
Boss, Vote ya boy nah.

Please.
Where and how do I Vote?
smiley
Politics › Re: By This Time Next Year, Majority Of Nigerians Will Be Praising President Buhari by plaetton: 2:01pm On Aug 02, 2016
otokx:
Things will be more clearer next year, God permitting us to be alive and around.
Nope.

Based on on the lag time for economic policies, Nigeria might resemble Venezuela by this time next year.

Let's stop pretending that this government has any workable plans. So far, everything is trial and error. That's why they say one thing today, and then contradict themselves tomorrow.

The Nigerian ship of state is adrift in Rocky shores.

There is absolutely nothing to be optimistic about, except for time-tested resilience of the Nigerian people in the face of all odds.
Christianity Etc › Re: Adeboye Frowns At Pastors Growing Beards by plaetton: 1:20pm On Aug 02, 2016
Anyone who prays for 1 hour is mentally ill. This would probably be the most accurate diagnosis of mental illness.
Adeboye and his charlatan ilk continue to poison the minds of Nigerian people for filthy profits.

Woe unto them.
Family › Re: Married To An Atheist by plaetton: 1:12pm On Aug 02, 2016
MetaHuman:
2012 topic


No wonder.

This comment shows when plaetton is still smart unlike the current plaetton that has allowed bigotry to override his thinking grin
Bigotry?
You must have me mixed up with someone else.
Attacking religious and ethnic bigots does not make one a bigot.
Family › Re: Married To An Atheist by plaetton: 12:58pm On Aug 02, 2016
Anayordike:
Honestly speaking you are not an atheist. You simply hate the manner in which some religious charlatans project religious beliefs and what have you. Even most people who claimed to be atheists are not what they claimed to be. What most of the self acclaimed atheist have is religious phobia and resentment. And most cases their grudges against religion derives from pride. Most of the atheists are full of themselves and feeling that they are too educated, civilized, wide travelled etc. No wise person will ever denial the existence of God the creator who created him and all the things in the universe. "The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God" (Psalm 14:1) .
Lol.

You seem to display the classic symptoms of atheist-phobia.
Family › Re: Married To An Atheist by plaetton: 12:50pm On Aug 02, 2016
Icecomrade:
Religion whether true or not helps to checkmate a lot of excesses.

Self conscience is most times not enough
Bullshyte.

Religion is the primary causes of many developmental problems.

Is Nigeria not a good enough example?
In this day and age, it is the equivalent of child abuse to infuse mentally debilitating stone age poisons into the minds of our children.
Why do you think advanced countries my make it point not to include religious bullshytes into their educational curriculum? huh

When will we in Africa learn and catch up with the rest of the civilised world? undecided

And , if religion is grounded on truth and reality, then what would be the harm in planting seeds of healthy skepticism in the minds of growing children?
Politics › Re: A Letter To The Igbos by plaetton: 12:14am On Aug 02, 2016
Speak2klein:
For as long as I can remember, the igbos have been agitating and so far it has gotten us nowhere. When the FG notices independence they will sit up. Lagos is a good example, for no reason would the FG fail to give attention to Lagos when needed because of its economic importance. If we can achieve that in the east then we become indispensable and value increases.
Correction. We already are indispensable. We don't need to bow down to cows to validate our indispensability.

Lagos state has been agitating , for a long time now, for greater and special revenue allocation due to it's population, it's vast infrastructural needs, and it's status as the economic hub and melting pot for all Nigerians ethnic nationalities.
In fact, former Lagos state governor, Bola Tinubu, had a prolonged rift with OBJ on account of this legitimate agitation.

And BTW, who is the Master or who are the Masters to whom Igbos must ingratiate themselves in order to receive our statutory benefits of being part of the Nigerian federation ? huh
Politics › Re: A Letter To The Igbos by plaetton:
While I agree with some points here, I do disagree with the general thrust of this article.

What I keep hearing , thread after thread, is that Igbos should pretend that all is well with the Nigerian federation, continue to play ostrich , and continue to take it in the arxx like all other pretenders and hypocrites in the land.

No.
Everyone is different. We are different. We agitate because we are pushed to agitate.
We would not be Igbos if we endure and pretend like everyone else.

When the southwest was under the jackboots of Abacha, no one said the southwest should not agitate.
Everyone, every group that that has the courage should agitate, show their frustrations when necessary.

Igbos should continue to speak up in the face of tyranny, nepotism and when the parochial interests of feudal lords sideline and marginalize our collective well-being.
Politics › Re: Is Aisha Buhari In USA Now? by plaetton: 5:52pm On Aug 01, 2016
horpe132:
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Enough of all this NOISE,,,,
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Mrs Buhari Cannot be Arrested in the U.S.A for any offence, True or Not...
She's a member of our foreign envoy as the Presidents wife..........
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Once you Use a DIPLOMATIC passport, you are accorded the respect of your Nation & You become a foreign Envoy,,YOU CANNOT BE ARRESTED OR PROSECUTED ON foreign SOIL,, Even if you commit a Crime, the worst that can happen is for the country where the crime is committed to investigate diligently and send their facts to your home country for prosecution................


.........Worst of all is You may be REMOVED by the FOREIGN country back to your home Nation & denied Visa in the future............ DIPLOMATIC Pressure will be mounted on your country to prosecute you.......
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Its not about Tribe or Ethnicity,,,,its More about knowledge and understanding INternational Politics...
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..Ask yourself why USA didn't arrest those 3-law-makers for soliciting sex which is a crime there ,,,!!!!!!
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Oya call me Afonja,,Ewedu, Slave etc....and continue to wallow in your ignorance !
Yes.
While it is unlikely that she would be arrested for diplomatic reasons, being the wife of a President , having a sealed indictment hanging over her head like a democletian sword , I doubt that she would risk the potential embarrassment of questioning, brief detention or even media exposure in the US.

A sealed indictment means that the US government has the prerogative to activate the indictment at any time it pleases.

A sealed indictment against foreign dignatories are usually used for the purpose of blackmail when it is necessary.

So, if the stories about Aisha Buhari's involvement are true, then it meals , and I speculate, that PMB is likely under economic and geopolitical blackmail at the moment.
Politics › Re: Buhari’s Parochial Appointments - Punch Editorial. by plaetton: 3:29pm On Aug 01, 2016
You would have better success preaching that to a loaf of bread.
Politics › Re: Clinton Leads Trump By Seven Points In Poll by plaetton: 1:49pm On Aug 01, 2016
I am betting that despite all the noise from Donald Trump, Hilary Clinton will beat him by the largest landslide victory in US history.
Politics › Re: How The Nigerian Economy Will Look Like For The Rest Of 2016 by plaetton: 1:43pm On Aug 01, 2016
chriskosherbal:
Well interesting write up, we still have to pray for the Nigerian economy.
Yup! Pray for the Nigerian economy.

But wait sad, what happened to all the previous prayers, the megatons of prayer power generated and beamed at the sky in the last one year ? huh

Lost in translation, perhaps ? undecided
Politics › Re: Why I Agree With Joe Igbokwe On Igbo Attitude by plaetton: 3:37pm On Jul 31, 2016
kettle84:
Mr Tunji, every tribe in Nigeria display bigotry, this is due to the obvious differences in language, culture and religion. Mr Buhari and Late Amadu Bello are perfect examples of the typical northern bigots.Mr Fashola ,Ambode and a host of NL southwest members are perfect examples of Yoruba tribal bigots.The events and outcome of the first coupe hipped on Igbos is an example too.

It was never an Igbo affair as is being
peddled to find relevance. Now take a
look at the list of the '66 coup plotters
and render your own judgement; 1.
Major Chukwuma Kaduna Nzeogwu
(Delta Igbo) 2. Major Adewale
Ademoyega (Yoruba) author of "Why we
struck" 3. Capt. G. Adeleke(Yoruba) 4.
Maj. Ifeajuna (Igbo) 5. Lt. Fola Oyewole
(Yoruba) author of "The reluctant rebel"
6. Lt. R. Egbiko(Esean) 7. Lt. Tijani
Katsina(Hausa/ Fulani) 8. Lt. O.
Olafemiyan(Yoruba) 9. Capt. Gibson
Jalo(Bali) 10. Capt. Swanton(Middle
Belt) 11. Lt. Hope Harris Eghagha
(Urhobo) 12. Lt. Dag Warribor(Ijaw) 13.
2nd Lt. Saleh Dambo(Hausa) 14. 2nd
Lt. John Atom Kpera (Tiv). So, to an
unbiased observer, what evidence can
one provide to show that Igbos actually
carried out the coup in order to
exterminate other tribes.

Igbos want to live in freedom and dignity.
They don't teach history in Nigerian schools.
That's why they keep calling it " Igbo coup" .
Politics › Re: On The Issue Of Yorubas and the bombardments in Arepo by plaetton:
One of the problems with the way we deal with issues in Nigeria is the problem of compulsive labeling.

I think our faulty thinking patterns render us mentally lazy over a period of time.

We tend to compulsively mislabel things for convenience, so that we don't have to think about or deal with the real issues.

Take for example, in a university campus, a criminal gang is LABELED a cult, instead of just plain old criminal gangs. If we call them the criminal gangs that they are, then it would become imperative to do the hard , dirty work to flush them out. So we Label them campus cults, just so that we can tolerate them.

When criminal gangs from the Delta Creeks started kidnapping foreign oil for ransom, rather than call them criminal gangs, we LABELLED them militants. By so doing, we tacitly legitimized their criminality.
When other criminal gangs in other parts of the country saw how lucrative the business kidnapping had become, the criminality spread like wildfire.

In Rivers , Lagos and Ogun State s for example, when a crime of murder is committed, I still can't figure out how the media distinguishes between a militant, a cultist, a kidnapper, a political thug , a ritualist or just a random armed robber.

Recently, when criminal gangs operating in the Lagos and Ogun axis Creeks upped their game of kidnapping, robbery, extortion, rape and murder, again, rather than call them criminal gangs and treat them as such, the media was quick to LABEL them " militants" for the simple reason that the criminals were alleged to be of Ijaw ethnic extraction.

This compulsive Labelling, this mental reluctance to call criminals criminals is the reason we have so much lawlessness in the land.
Politics › Re: Why I Agree With Joe Igbokwe On Igbo Attitude by plaetton: 2:31pm On Jul 31, 2016
maclatunji:
This is not very nice. I am sure Joe Igbokwe is as much an Igbo as you or any other person is. The unnecessary attacks because he seeks to go out of the parochial mindset that many Igbos hold is not helping at all.

Hopefully, genuine Igbo progressives will change the narrative coming out of the Southeast.
Joe Igbokwe is a well known Quisling of Igboland.

It's an insult to reference Joe Igbokwe on issues relating to Igbos generally.

Joe Igbokwe speaks for Joe Igbokwe, and not in anyway for Igbos of any category.
Politics › Re: Why I Agree With Joe Igbokwe On Igbo Attitude by plaetton: 2:14pm On Jul 31, 2016
maclatunji:
When Joe Igbokwe wrote an article recently warning his Igbo kinsmen about the degree of hatred, bigotry and lack of objectivity the majority of them are displaying in Nigeria, a lot of them called him names and the sizeable minority that probably agree with him kept quiet.

Reviewing the comments of Igbos on social media and beyond shows the same traits that Igbokwe complained about. It is these same traits that led Nnamdi Kanu into the net of Nigeria's security agencies despite the fact that he was openly committing treasonable acts with Radio Biafra and the Independent People of Biafra (IPOB). He arrogantly believed he could enter Nigeria without detection.

Many Biafra agitators are under the illusion that they can effectively undermine the Nigerian state to their advantage but the truth is if the Nigerian state were to truly exert its power over them, they would suffer heavy human and material losses.

Igbos are known for their spirit of adventure, business acumen and industry. These qualities serve them better within Nigeria rather than embarking on a destructive quest for Biafra that is largely politically motivated rather than by any pressing need. The Southeast region will benefit more from objective and constructive participation in building Nigeria.

While there are many ethnic groups complaining of marginalization and underdevelopment, I daresay none is as based on mere hatred and bigotry as those of the Biafra agitators. They cannot complain of being starved of federal government resources or environmental degradation which their NigerDelta neighbours readily point to. Therefore, their agitation is largely selfish and not based on any genuine pressing need and as such does not have to lead to destruction and loss of life on a large scale in the Southeast before it is jettisoned and rejected.
I don't know whether to laugh or frown when I see ignorant people pontificating about issues or about a people that they know nothing about.

I am betting that the OP has never lived in any part of Igboland nor probably visited any part for any extended period.

I do not ever recall ever hearing any Igbo calling for war against the Nigerian federation.
However those that preach and threaten war against the Igbo people had better grab their history books and remember that a lot has changed since 1967.

I find it funny that everyone tends to awards themselves PhDs on or about the Igbo people, their attitudes, their grievances and their inner aspirations.

You insult us with your very complex ignorance .

This OP, a product of an educational system that doesn't teach history to their young, is here pontificating, ignorantly, that Igbos have no reason to complain and agitate for better lives, better living, better treatment,..a better Nigeria. huh

According to the OP, Igbos should just relax and continue to take in the arxx like everyone else in this Feudal oligarchy we pretend to call a nation.

The OP epitomizes the old saying: garbage in, garbage out.

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