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knowyaself2:
Morality is inherent in us. Religion plays little or no role in maximising its expression. What Religion seeks to acheive by creating fear as tool for control, can be taken care of by the state. The state creates laws and institutes punishments for breaking them. The fear of punishment and the voice of people's innate conscience keep them at their best behaviour. For those with dead conscience(very unlikely), fear of punishment, scandal and shame can effectively keep them in check. Only the stupid and those with weak conscience suffer the consequences.
I can rightly say that at the root of every act of immorality is 'stupidity and weak conscience'. However we should keep in mind that morality ,being subjective, is always associated with tradition and established laws, and consequently can mean different things to different people.

Morality cannot be inherent in us.
What you mean that people genetically disposed to certain traits or characters, if when nourished in an environment that appreciates such traits, then it may seen as inherently moral.

A simple proof that humans are not inherently moral is Lagos driving and traffic, for good example.
For the purpose of this discussion, I going to say that there are NO set traffic safety culture in Lagos.
There are laws , but those laws are only valid when the enforcing agents are on spot.

Even though road safety is everyone's responsibility, Lagos drivers have NO inherent road safety traits in their DNA.
And unfortunately, they are yet to evolve and nurture a stable road safety culture.
Therefore, the average Lagos driver, unless one who has lived in and imbibed road safety culture from other climes, sees road safety rules as a nuisance. He only obeys these rules when there is an imminent chance of punishment.

I just wanted to use this example to illustrate that in the whole strata of human affairs and human history, societies first have to evolve a culture of what is acceptable and what is not.
It is not written in the DNA.

juman:
I am also not a fan of buhari and his clueless apc. But despite their utter failure there are very few positive indications achieved by him.

The ones I remember now
Number one: He removed the pdp that destroyed nigeria for sixteen years. Very important direction change for the country.
Number two: At federal level, his anti corruption has reduced corruption significantly.

Liar.
How old are you ?
16yrs old?

Kindly kindly tell us what Nigeria had that PDP destroyed in 16yrs.

Very important direction change in Nigeria ?
What direction is that , and where has it taken us thus far ?

Again, kindly tell us how and when corruption has been significantly reduced at the federal level.
I guess Aso Rock, and the stench of corruption emanating from there is not part of Federal Government?
Interesting indeed.

maclatunji:
Remember this. https://www.nairaland.com/3608295/10-things-note-before-protest?

What 2face now needs to do is to use his star power positively to encourage Nigeria's youths to change from whiners to achievers.



These and other things he can do to inspire millions of youths in Nigeria and beyond to positivity.

Here again, MORAL schizophrenia waxes supreme.

A big coward who couldn't pull off the simplest and noblest civic responsibility, who chickened out 2 days before a very powerful and important mass protest that he promoted and galvanized.
So such a monumental Coward is now expected to inspire millions of youths ?
Inspire millions of youths to Cowardice ?
Positively encourage youths from being whiners to achievers ?
After betraying 180m Nigerians ?

But, but just the other day, you saw NOTHING good about Tuface
You character-assasinated him repeatedly for having the balls to organize a mass protest.

Indeed, COGNITIVE DISSONANCE and its adjunct trait, MORAL SCHIZOPHRENIA are horrible horrible flaws.

Eventoned:
Nollywood Director, Charles Novia has come for 2face over his decision to shelve the planned nationwide protest.

He made this known in his social media account:



http://ovoko.com.ng/2face-two-faced-person-charles-novia/

CC: Lalasticlala, Mynd44

Indeed, a monumental tragedy.
A betrayal of of unimaginable proportions.

FeloniousFelon:
Nonsense rubbish

Yorubas begging for southern unity now after betraying yourself to the north?

The bridge is fcking over!

I disagree.
Southerners just need to redefine who their leaders are , and stop blindly following stomach infrastructure politicians.

UnitedSouthZone:
#Who_Cursed_Southerners?

In this Nigeria, an average Southerner is a weakling. A born coward with serious complex issues. A fool and an idiot. A slave. A typical example of a butterfly who thinks himself a bird. But this is not even the problem. The biggest problem is, he doesn't even realise he is any of those things.

The only thing an average Southerner is good at is blowing high sounding grammar and acquiring degrees upon degrees but when it comes to things that matter most, he goes to slumber.

An average Southerner has this twisted mindset that the best way to be seen as a patriotic and detribalised Nigerian is by degrading, shaming and disparaging his own tribe for no just cause.

Abacha stole this country blind, such that 20 years after, his loot is still being returned to the country. But in spite of this, people like Buhari publicly swore that he (Abacha) stole nothing. But to an average Southern idiot, Jonathan's 5 year rule is the reason we have no fuel, no light, no good educational system, no nothing! Jonathan is the worst thief in Nigeria's history. IBB, Abdulsalam and even Buhari who was accused of stealing billions of dollars as PTF boss were all saints. Why? Because they are Northerners.

Was it not a southern he-goat named Obasanjo who publicly accused Jonathan of training snipers in Pyongyang (North Korea) ahead of last year's election?? He made the unfounded allegation just to please his masters upnorth. Now that we have the highest figure of senseless deaths of civilians in the hands of both state and non state actors under a Northern president Buhari, have you read any letter from OBJ??

When Shiites were massacred in Zaria, it took less than 48 hours for Chidi Odinkalu of the National Human Right Commission to establish a commission of inquiry and summon the army chief but when unarmed IPOB members praying in a school field in Aba were murdered by the security agents, did you hear even a loosely worded condemnation from Chidi Odinkalu??

Check out the list of those asking that Fayose to be tried for treason for writing to the Chinese govt over Buhari's $2 loan, they are 80% southerners. And most of them have not even read the said Fayose letter at least to know the reasons Fayose adduced in the said letter. These are the same fools who kept mum when Sango Abdullahi, Sani Kaita and some so called Northern elders publicly threatened to make the country ungovernable if power wasn't returned to the North. When Buhari made his 'dogs and baboon' speech and directly caused the death of southern youth corpers, these morons kept mum.

With all the numberless killing of civilians under this regime and its open support for the genocide the world fourth deadliest terror group (the Fulani militant) has continue to visit on Nigerians, have these highly educated southerners bothered to write a strongly worded petition to the ICC just like Nyako, El-rufai and other northerners did to Jonathan??

These southern fools will gleefully yell 'Kanu should rot in jail, he was preaching hate on radio Biafra!' But these clowns maintained sealed lips over the hateful and inciting broadcast by 'Radio Chanji' and Arewa Radio upNorth. Such is the degree of the soulless hypocrisy of these southern senseless hypocrites.

These nitwits were on rooftops telling us how incompetent and corrupt Jonathan was and how his removal was a patriotic duty. Today, things have all gone worse under Buhari and you would think that these southern imbeciles would be at the forefront calling for Buhari's resignation but no! They are the ones defending the Daura born ex-soldier even against the worse things for which they crucified Jonathan then.

Now I know why Jonathan appeared weak as president and spent his 5 year term trying to please the North.

He knew he had nobody behind him. He knew that we Southerners are weaklings only good at blowing high sounding but empty grammar.

These 'efulefu' southerners will never question why Buhari has never condemned the murderous activities of his fulani kinsmen but these same 'anumpamas' will read this post and quickly tag me a bigot.

Slaves who think themselves masters!!


#Copied

This post should be etched in stone.
I mean, in what better way can anyone say it ?

Cowardice, cowardice , cowardice.
The conquered people of southern Nigeria.

sonofluc1fer:
- Wetin concern black man concern Abraham?
- Why did Jesus die for my sin without my permission? Who send am message?
- Why do I still go to hell if Jesus died for my sin? Why do I have to believe to get benefits? Afterall, he paid without my signature.

Life is not a choice between Atheism and Christianity. Theism, which is the direct opposite of Atheism, has many religious streams : Islam and Christianity are merely the youngest, and their rise in numbers is a consequence of their hunger for conquest.

Atheism and irreligion is only a natural response to a society that is oversaturated with religion - where there are more churches than healthcare centers on many streets, where major highways can be blocked in the name of worshiping the violent Abrahamic Gods of our slavemasters, where Pastors use the Bible to rape the poor and downtrodden.

When church membership in Nigeria begins to drop, know that the country has started taking the first steps to progress.

So Op, before you focus on atheism, fix your Christianity. It's damage on our psyche will take a long time to fix and our society has been worse for it.

Superb.

These Christians, no matter what shade they come in, never seem to get it.
The op talks about atheists embracing the Gospels.

Which Gospels ?
Is the op aware that the Gospels are adulterated mishmash of fairy tales, legends and traditions from nearly every nook and corner of the world ?

The OP says that atheists are among the most knowledgeable and sound thinkers, and yet he has the presumption that atheists have not read the Gospels, his Gospels.

There is absolutely nothing intellectual about religion , especially Christianity.

Secondly, the OP is being economical with the truth when he says that the pioneers of science were Christians. It's similar to saying that life began in Africa only after the Europeans arrived on shore.

The European Renaissance, and it's influence on learning and science, had it's roots in conquest and 800yr rule of Spain by the Moors of North Africa.
There, via Spain, Italy and France, learning and civilization seeped into Europe , and eventually heralded the Renaissance.

ModestGal:
Am not sure if you will be able to understand these things am gonna be telling you,but I hope you do and at least I have done my part in trying to help you.
About good and evil, the truth is that Christianity has painted unreal things real especially in the aspect of good and evil, they believe good things are from God why evils are from satan.They tell people the world created by God is innocuous,that's why they run from pastors to pastors in the name of solving problems, this is not leaving Muslims that shamelessly run from Alfas to Alfas to help them solve thier problems.
Evil and suffering exist to test mankind's faith
Suffering is a part of this life, but if we prove worthy, there will be no suffering in the next.We Muslims believe that goods and evils are from God, their are things we humans consider evils but they are not evils,intact they are good for us in the long run.
The Quran says...
"And certainly, We shall test you with something of fear, hunger, loss of wealth, lives and fruits, but give glad tidings to as-sabirun (the patient ones)." [Al-Qur'an 2:155]
also, regarding the point,why Allah does put anyone in pain, Allah says in Quran:
and it may be that you dislike a thing which is good for you and that you like a thing which is bad for you. Allah knows but you do not know.' (Surah Baqarah: 216)
“The life of a believer is truly amazing. Everything that happens to him is good. This is only true for a believer and none else. If something pleasant happens to him, he is thankful and that is good for him. If something bad afflicts him, he is patient and that is also good for him.” (Muslim)
Affliction is part of the test of life. If God were to interfere and prevent every bad thing from happening to each individual, it would be like taking the test away from a student.
Saying that the bad that exists in the world is
necessary does not mean that it is justified or
praiseworthy . Believers are always commanded to enjoin the good and forbid the evil, which is another test in itself.
Being able to see the big picture often affects how we perceive what is good and bad. Someone with little foresight may claim that the injection of a vaccine into a patient, which contains traces of disease, is a bad thing while the injection of heroin, which leads to euphoria, is a good thing. Not being able to understand that the vaccine will help develop immunity to that disease or that taking heroin will develop into a drug addiction is due to a lack of medical knowledge and experience.
God said:
“We sent messengers before you [Prophet] to many communities and afflicted their people with suffering and hardships, so that they might learn humility. If only they had learned humility when suffering came from Us! But no, their hearts became hard…” Qur’ān 6:42-43
God said:
“Do people think they will be left alone after saying, ‘We believe’ without being put to the test? We tested those who went before them: God will certainly mark out which ones are truthful and which are lying.” Qur’ān 29:2-3
Upon analysis, we realize that the Prophets, who are the highest in rank in the sight of God, faced the most difficult tests of all people. Clearly, merit must be earned.
It should be patently clear that the inability to see the wisdom behind something should not be a cause of criticizing that thing. Of course, the final analysis concerning all of this is: God knows best.This is just like a child being beaten by the parent, to the child, what the parent is doing is painful,evil and wicked, but to the parent, what they are doing is best for the child,intact it shows they are good parent. Remember our brain when we were in our mothers belly, our brain when we were very little, and our brain now, also a time is coming that our brain will start diminishing, what am trying to tell here is that their was a time when we were little that we do some things and perceive them to be right but now we recall and say ""ohh, I was soo stupid then"",this is the same as that there are some things that we may not just understand and be able to reason out now,one of it may be why must evils happen to us,how can God be somewhere watching all of us in this universe,Nigeria, America,Britain etc,so large a place, how can God watch all of us,etc..Imagine what would have happened if our brain grows 10times in it current speed and in multiples for 1000years, imagine how we will look at today and be like """ohh I was stupid then""





No body should quote me except op, thanks

Sorry dear.
If you write Bullshyte, you have to be quoted, and possibly flogged, of course with rod of Finely measured common sense.

Now , if in the final analysis, only god knows best and works in mysterious ways, then, is Religion, the entire edifice erected for worship and glorification of god, not a great waste of time and energy, redundant and superfluous ?

Protesting , itself, is inherently its own reward.

A mass protest, firstly , raises people's awareness to the issues, the burning issues.
It also raises the awareness of the leaders and other stakeholders.
It puts the leadership on notice in very clear terms.

Even before this mass PROTEST has begun, it is already a great success, because it has already raised the public consciousness, as well as rendered the leadership nervous and restless.

Protest is exactly what it means ; protest.
It's a message, and as long as that message is delivered, it is a success.

Considering whether to join a protest or not because of a hypothetical outcome is the coward's way of thinking .

The leaders must fear the people they govern.

There is no better reminder of people power than a mass protest.

epobot:
we av no reason to apologise to Jonathan expect u insulted him. He allowed so much of our income to LEAK dereby causing did aftermath DAT is affecting us all. He really tried just wish he was firm like Donald Trump

Kindly tell us what income that he allowed to leak.
And with corruption allegations flying around members of Buhari's cabinet and extended family members, also try to tell how our income is not leaking now.

TheGoodJoe:

I did not see an answer. You said you want President Buhari to resign. Do you have a quality option for the position? List your candidate. All this federalism story was not the resign you talked about. I am waiting to read your candidate.

If we are not thinking solutions, we are creating room for another person to mismanage the country.

I don't need to choose.
The Nigerian Constitution already states who should be president in the event of Buhari's demise or resignation.
I am not a fan of APC, but continuity of leadership is imperative.

Many many times in past, men like Buhari who lack honour have taken the country to the precipice of conflict, division and violence by refusing to follow the simple path of honour.
Bow out honourably when you can no longer carry the ship of state.
In Buhari's case, it is clearly obvious that his health can no longer allow him to fully function in the difficult , stressful job of being president.

Adminisher:
First of all OP, your English is bad . Also Buhari is actually one of the best Presidents Nigeria has ever had. It is his luck that he always comes into office when looters have finished their work. It is a little less me Moses and the Israelites and Nigeria is a worse country in stiff-necked corruption.
God will not take him away until Nigeria's crooked ways are straight and people will knock heads on rock and smash them to pieces for nothing.

When Buhari supporters talk about looters and looting, I just laugh.

What about all that Buhari and cronies looted at the PTF?
When will he and his cronies return the loot ?

TheGoodJoe:

Can you tell me who you want to take over Nigeria and fix the economy? List the person who will also maintain the struggle to recover our loot.

With all due respect, that's a silly question.
First of all, money will always find its way out of this country so long as we have semiliterates who do not understand the concept of money and wealth running the affairs.

Nigeria is a country brimming with management talents from all corners of the federation.

Nothing good can ever come out from a person or group who do not love Nigeria in it's entirety, but who see and treat Nigeria as a booty of conquest.

Certainly not a semi literate dictator who despises federalism and the multicultural make up of this country.

maclatunji:
Sight is different from vision, you are seeing the problems but obviously lack the vision to see where they came from and how they can be solved.

It is people with a medieval mindset like you, people who can't ever appreciate plural democracy and it's guarantees, people who think building mosques rather than schools and libraries as long term infrastructural investments, .feudal tyrants who do not know, talkless of appreciating the importance and welfare of the middle class as economic drivers.

Amongst all our previous leaders in this country, who has expressed the vision that talk about ?
Can you honestly take a guess ?

Is it the fossilized dinosaurs currently in power?
Even if people like you deluded yourselves that a fossilized dinosaur can improve a modern ecosystem, the last years has clearly been a reminder for those who didn't watch the film Jurassic Park or didn't get the message.

This government has clearly proven to be the most destructive calamity ever seen in Nigeria.

Honour, a clearly alien concept in Nigeria, demands that Buhari resigns ASAP, if for nothing else, his dwindling health.
Nigeria doesn't belong to him and his extended family.
Nigeria is bigger than him, and will thrive, no matter the plots and shenanigans of he and his clique in Aso Rock.

charliboy654:
Am not going to counter u, but let's watch and see if the protest will have any significant. But trust me, it won't.

A protest alone is it's own reward.

maclatunji:
Source: http://www.opinions.ng/10-things-note-protest-2face-2baba-idibia/

Conventional wisdom says that intelligent people critique the message, and not the messenger.
In our experience, attacking the messenger is usually a sign of unintelligence and or cognitive dissonance .

This particular message, the thrust of this thread, has to be rated as the most ASININE assemblage of Zombie-speak I have ever encountered.

The first questions I ask myself while reading this op are :
What pre-Magna Carter century is this
and ,
Is the op talking aboutin Saudi Arabia or some other damn-democracy- and-free- speech monarchy ?
Or a 21st century Democratic Nigeria ?

Yes, opinions are free, and everyone has plenty to spare, but gosh!
If there was a finer word to describe( without incurring a ban) the mental and intellectual disposition of the mind that penned this piece, can someone please lend me that word.

Now, focusing on the 10 ASININE points of the op, let's go.

1. Tuface , his personal life, is not, and should never be an issue.
In fact, he has the right to be the devil yesterday, and still entitled to the free expression of his Democratic rights today.

Like I said before, only unintelligent people or ones suffering from mentally debilitating cognitive dissonance would demand a moral purity test for simple Democratic, Constitutional guaranteed expression of free speech and assembly.

2. Here the op continues with same ASININE attack on Tuface, trying to discredit him with an assemblage of meaningless babble. One can only feel nothing both a sad sympathy for the desperation of the OP, perhaps trying to earn his pay, his crumbs.

3. The op says there are smarter ways to engage those in power.
Lol.
I guess the OP, probably living in Saudi Arabia, has never heard of something called PROTESTS.
Protesting, organized or not, is the most effective means of getting the attention of those in power to the anger and frustrations of the governed.
What kind of world would we be living in today if we had the O's mindset that protesting is BAAAAD ?
If even sheep and cows do PROTEST once in while.

In fact, Nigeria is as bad as it is today because Nigerians have not been doing enough protesting.

4. The op says " we do not need disruptive street protests to let the government know that we are suffering".
Well, good thing that the OP acknowledges that Nigerians are suffering. Good.
But, Yessss, we do need street protests to drive home our message. Duuuhhhh!

Again, let's take a moment to pity the OP and his desperate attempt to earn his pay.

5. The tempo of desperation increases here.
Cognitive dissonance is a terrible terrible disease.
Can someone remind the op that in his desperation, he has forgotten that Tuface is not the elected president, nor a member of governing cabinet.
Every citizen has the inalienable right to protest bad governance , breakdown of living standards, etc etc.

6. Unbelievable.
Totally idiotic.
" Let's not protest, because, ehhm ehhm, after the protest, things will not change ".
Excellent logic.
This is an Einstein moment.

7. In summary, here the OP says that protesting might distract our diligent leaders( whom we just happen to be protesting against ) from the GREAT WORK that they might be doing.
God help us !!!

8 and 9 are perhaps the greatest assemblage of stuuupid points I have ever read.
God forbid that I should ever read anything as stuuupid as 8 and 9.

10. And of course, what could we ever achieved if we don't insinuate subtle and not too subtle threats of death and injury ?
" Don't protest because you get hurt or get shot" seems to be the message here.
But who is going to do the shooting of peaceful protestors?
Is this Saudi Arabia?

In other words, they went there to rob !!

I laugh and cry at the same time.
Chai!!
Just look what Buhari has turned Nigeria into , in just under 2 yrs.

Pls just imagine, security forces raiding Mariam Abacha's residence during OBJ Regime, a man nearly killed by Abacha.

Just imagine security forces raiding Yaradua's residence during GEJ's Regime, despite all allegations of shady dealings during the last days of President Yaradua.

Buhari's dogs have broken into and raided the office of the former vice president, without a warrant , allegedly looking for Dollars.

This time, it's the house of the former president, again, without a warrant, and looking for Dollars.

Is Nigeria officially a Zoo or a Jungle ?
Someone pls help me out.

Another pulpit pi.m.p , liar and hypocrite doing what he knows best.

OkoNDOoBo:
You can't compare economy situation in 1999 to 2015
You can't compare cost of governance In 1999 to 2015,
You can't compare nigeria's populations from 1999 to 2015
You can't compare insecurity in nigeria 1999 to 2015
You can't compare standard Of living in 1999 to 2015
I Can go on and on.


When all these re increasing annualy, a sane govt must save and have a robust foreign reserve to complement all these.
if nigeria's economy,and savings cannot complement the above mentioned it will result to disaster.meanwhile it is happening already.

You can't be earning 50k when single and expect it sustain you when u get married, and give birth, you need to increase your income and save to meet all those challenges unless the next neighbour will be yanshing ur wife with peanuts.

I am sorry to say this, but I get tired of the level of economic illiteracy and selective amnesia I see here all the time.

The fuction of government is actually to SPEND money to provide social services for the welfare of the people, NOT, I repeat, NOT to save money for the people.

Everyone keeps shouting ignorantly that Jonathan didn't save money for the rainy day, etc.
Bullshyte !
The more money government takes in, the more it spends for the provision of social infrastructure and services.
During GEJ era, States and local governments got a lot more money for education, health, security and infrastructures than they did during OBJ and Yaradua era.
During the GEJ era, the governors asked for and even sued federal government for more money.

Now, only someone who doesn't understand the purpose of government and the techniques of governance would be SULKING that a previous government didn't leave so and so amount of money behind for him.

Only ignorant or disingenuous people would say that our economy is tanking because GEJ didn't save enough money.
Save enough money for whom and for what ?

The government spending is the single largest contributor to our GDP
Can you imagine if a government refuses or holds back spending on social services and infrastructures with the excuse that it wants to save money for the incoming administration ?
Would that make sense ?
There is nothing, absolutely nothing wrong with the government spending all the money it gets or even borrows more.

GEJ spend money commensurately with income and national projects.

The issue, the main issue for all sincere patriots, irrespective of party loyalty, should always be how well monies are spent.
That's is the only thing that should matter.

Ironically, this was the Change that most us were sincerely expecting; Drastically cutting down the high cost of governance,at all levels.

This is where Buhari has woefully failed.
So far, it is obvious that he either doesn't get it, he has been insincere all along, or, that he lacks the political will to effect any meaningful change in governance.

The secret behind the modest achievements of Obasanjo, Yaradua and Jonathan is that they did not use the performance of the former government as excuse for failure.
Though these men has their faults and weaknesses, they were able to stabilize Nigeria economy throughout their tenors. At least I know that Nigerians did not suffer under OBJ regime despite the fact that OBJ inherited worst situation than what PMB is claiming to inherit. If OBJ can perform when oil was less than $30 per barrel throughout most of his tenor, PMB should not complain as oil is still above $45 per barrel.

Thank you.
Don't mind someone who thinks that ruling Nigeria is his birthright, but is completely bankrupt of ideas and vision about what it takes to rule a multi-ethnic, multicultural, and complex country like Nigeria.

hahn:
Johnnydon22, seems you and plaetton think alike

We are all just on the right side of history.

urheme:
Sir plaetton, is about time you take a criminal petition against these religious bodies and their so call Go's.....perhaps initiate a Bill for submission to the legislative arm of Govt for a proper debate..... i will sponsor your draft if you so wish.....we have been at this for too long.

My dear friend,
You ought to know that in Nigeria, religious matters and religious parasites enjoy official immunity from accountability.
Otherwise, Nigeria would not be the giant lunacy bin that it currently is.

I.mean, just under month ago, 200 innocent people had their skulls crushed by a falling Church building.
Did you see any Federal response ?
Any legislative response ?
Any commission of inquiry ?
Any arrests and prosecution ?
Any relief or compensation for the survivors and families of the dead ?

The answers to all of the above is a big fat NO.

Just imagine the sheer amount of money Adeboye, Oyedepo, Olukoya or Odukoya, the presiding clown at MFM, Oyaks , Okotie and all the millions of lesser clowns scattered all over the country Rob the Nigerian population every single week.
Just put your mind on the staggering figures.

Now, the most painful is that these parasites give absolutely Nothing back to the society, except for more empty, more fraudulent BULLSHYTES and schemes.

Clown season has kicked off in earnest.

Everfrank:
Because he refuse to allow unpatriotic lot to continue importing every rubbish into the country with our subsidized dollars and giving away our jobs to youths abroad? PMB is here to stay till 2023.

Yeah.
Everyone is unpatriotic, except Buhari, the man that overthrew a democratically elected government, a treasonable act that ushered in 16yrs of the LOCUSTS.

Praktikals:
Glorified secondary school, you meant?
Now, i ll tell you one thing imbecilic Jona could not do. He could not guarantee safety of lifes and properties. And if you d be truthful and fair for once in your life, you will agree baba has done excellently well in that regards.
Since you enjoy quoting me, feel free, sir, to quote me when u think of more 'achievements of Jona.
One prayer for you sir, and you must say an emphatic thundering amen to this. May God rule your life the way jona rules Nigeria.

You , like most Zombies must live in an alternate universe, a delusional universe.

Yeah let's talk guaranteeing life and property.
Whose life and property has Buhari protected and guaranteed ?

Is it the 1000 or more Shiites genocided by his soldiers ?

Or the thousands of citizens of Benue State and other areas massacred by Fulani Herdsmen ever since Buhari took over ?

Or is it the shooting of unarmed protestors exercising their Democratic rights in ABA and Onitsha ?

How about the recent genocidal or.gy by Islamo-Fulani-terrorists in the past week in Southern Kaduna?
Who guaranteed their lives ?

Just shut the fxxx up.

truthislight:
But as you know, we have to literally stay awake because of instances of DeepSight being in the spirit like this.

One wonders how one will get him to drop this thing he has about a creature indwelling humans, being responsible for human consciousness.

Lol.

Yes indeed.
We must maintain continual vigilance of Deepsight and his WORD SORCERY.

Praktikals:
Pls respect your age and list the imaginary achievements or stay off my mention.

Too late for you to run away.
You have already been caught dancing naked in the marketplace.
So, stay here and learn, for, you're obviously very ignorant and naive.

I will oblige you and list just one of many many cardinal achievements that will stand forever to embarrass Buhari and everything he represents.

Jonathan established 12 Federal universities, 6 of them in the North during his short tenure.
He established almajiri schools, the very first of its kind, to give abandoned street children in the North a Chance at life.

Now, perhaps you can list just one single achievement of Buhari during his 1st, and now 2nd Missionless journey in the social, political and economic life of Nigeria.

Praktikals:
Post yaradua because i will score pre-yaradua (sorry, pre Jonathan) average, but as for the internationally acclaimed ineffectual Bufforn (your brother), i join the rest of well meaning Nigeria to say 'NEVER AGAIN'.
BTW, who your age epp

You have already proudly showed yourself as a very myopic person with selective amnesia on Nigeria's political and economic life from 1983 to present.
Therefore, You already score poorly on judgment.
So why should anyone trust your judgement or care about your verdict of the Jonathan era ?

The achievements of Jonathan stand tall before you, even if you close your eyes and refuse to see it.
Those achievements stand up , haunt and embarrass the current band of dinosaurs at the corridors of power.

So, whenever Buhari pulls one of a million excuses for his non performance, it is actually COGNITIVE DISSONANCE that overwhelms him.

Praktikals:
Oya old man, narrow your analysis to post Yaradua regimes. I am waiting.

Why post- Yaradua ?
Was OBJ and Yaradua not of PDP ?

You should think properly before posting cheap lies on Nairaland.

The PDP shepherded 3 successful regimes that nurtured and enabled all the successes that I mentioned in my post.

Was one Regime better than the other? Yes. That is always to be expected.

But only idiots , unthinking Zombies , or people who were toddlers in 1999 would be silly enough to say publicly that PDP ruined Nigeria.
To say such would be implying that Nigeria was great or greater prior to 1999.

Praktikals:
At the rate you are going, I hope you will not kill yourself over Buhari matter o.
You type jibber-jabber under anonymity.
You are the real, authentic and certified lunatic to expect that mess of 16 years of pdp will be cleared overnight.

Keep telling yourself that lie.

What did we have prior to the 16 years of PDP rule ?
Can you be honest?
Can you remember?
Or were you still a toddler before 1999?

Let me remind you that 1999 marked the end of the LOCUST YEARS of Nigeria's political, social and economic life that started in 1983 with the treasonous Overthrow of a democratically elected government by none other than Mohammadu Buhari.
I guess you didn't know that ?

Furthermore, 1999 to 2015 is now viewed as the Golden Era in the political and economic life of Nigeria.

From 1999 to 2015, Nigeria's democracy flourished.
From 1999 to 2015, The Rule of Law flourished.
From 1999 to 2015, Nigeria's economy flourished.
From 1999 to 2015, Nigeria's middle class flourished.
From 1999 to 2015, political, religious and ethnic plurality in the corridors of power flourished.

Compare all that with the current Era, the 2nd missionary journey( more like the 2nd MISSIONLESS journey ) of Mohammadu Buhari.

truthislight:
The above is not confusing at all.

Garnering of experience is a function of time.

So, your deduction that outside of time there will be no experience hence, consciousness as we know it would be affected.

I preferred using the word affected rather than the absolute of saying "no consciousness", since a new born child may not have had 'experience' as we know it but it is all the same a conscious person.

One can argue that the new born is not quite new since it spent 9months in the worm being programmed. I agree.

All am saying is that: experience and time cannot be separated.

Looking at experience as information cum harnessing data, data has a rate of flow that is proportional to Time.

no time laps no data.

Peace.

I agree.
Btw,
It's been a long absence.
How have you been?
Nice to have you back.