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Demmzy15:
Of course has clearly explained by the Prophet Muhammad!

Demmzy15:
Water brain! Go back and read again, stop deluding yourself. I don't why you guys are so dumb.

Rilwayne001:
This was the reply brother lanrex lan gave him:




Can we still after the underlined say this practise was copied from the pagans? NO. This reply has been brought to his face times without number. But due to the fact that they are not ready for the truth but silly back and forte arguement, he turned blind eye on it.

haftob:
Ohk, tanx. About if his cramming was recited correctly; Angel gabriel used to come every night during the month of ramadan to come and revise it with him to make sure he dint forget anytin during his lifetime. And about if those who wrote it down actually wrote the correct things they heard; Muhammed was teaching them as he was being taught too in oral form and they memorise it also. The compilation(writing) started some yrs after his death and ppl dat already memorised the whole quran were called to recite it and it was being written down.

The Quran was actually revealed in piecemeal for 21 yrs as events occured, so each verse has a significance and reason why it was revealed. There was a man during the time of Muhammad named Ibn kathir, anytime Muhammad taught them a verse,he'll ask the reason behind the revelation and he would be told, so this man wrote a tafsir(commentary) book on the Quran.

haftob:
Stop being Insolent, I was replying the person quoting me according to the level of the knowledge he has about the quran. Do u expect me to start explaining that God sent and Angel to recite it to him and he was cramming it blah blah blah.

"it was his God that dictated the quran to him not that he wrote it on his own."

haftob:
Wow! Good u knw it was his God that dictated the quran to him not that he wrote it on his own. So I tink wat u need now is to study Islam with an unbiased mind and u'll be convinced that it is the only true religion.

The jews mockingly say that. They do not believe.

Man, that they call him the messiah doesn't mean they believe he is the messiah. They were mocking him.

Rilwayne001:
Get this to your dead brain Mr. man. This is just sarcastic mockery on their part, much in the same way that the Romans mocked Jesus in the Bible:

Matthew 27:29 and then twisted together a crown of thorns and set it on his head. They put a staff in his right hand. Then they knelt in front of him and mocked him. “Hail, king of the Jews!” they said.

Does that mean they believe he is the king of jews?

RagnarLodbrok:
Are you tired of me already? Lol! Alright mate, new priorities for me now. Live long and prosper.

[quote author=RagnarLodbrok post=35762600]Ahhh! Jesus Moses and every other prophet excluding the Abraham during the isra and miraj called Muhammad brother, not son, were they not born hundreds of years before, why do all muslims call each other brother?

I don't know how much clearer this needs to be.

Uhhhm yes! If it wasn't a noble association why would it be used as a way to infer that an unholy act is not expected from her?



Me? Craftily? Loool! Again it's in the Quran dumbas*, what did I insert?

Scholar was asking me questions about Joachim and Catholics and what not, why the hell should that be my problem? That is an issue of christian confusion. None of my beeswax.
Even direct questions about the thread and what you post are ignored by you when you realize they are going to expose you. 

twist and turns?


See the problem with you is you just like arguing, and you make a fool out of yourself in the process, some of your claims I just look at and burst into laughter, sometimes I wonder if you're actually serious, that's why I call you a clown!

It does not mean that here Qur’an calls Mary, the real sister of Aaron, the Prophet who was hundreds of years before her. Here she is only being called a female person of the family, from the Noble lineage of Prophet Aaron.

Is it logical that Mary who was born hundreds after Aaron will be called 'sister' rather than 'daughter'?
Here 'she is only being called a female person of the family'
Even Jesus was referred to as 'son of David' not 'brother' of David. 
In the same Quran she is called 'daughter' ??

In 19:27-28, Mary was clearly being reminded of her association with great patriarchs such as Prophet Aaron (pbuh) who according to Jewish sources, was considered the first High Priest of the Israelites and through whom the priestly decendancy of his tribe, the Levites continued.

Mary was clearly reminded of her 'noble associations' with Prophet Aaron's (pbuh) noble descendants when the charge of being unchaste was levied against her. In this manner, she would have been referred to Prophet Aaron (pbuh) as connected to him by faith (as a sister) and not in lineage.

No! Imran is the father of Mary mother of Jesus (pbuh). Not Mary sister of Moses.

That's none of our problem that's yours.

The debate here is about the name of Mary's father according to christians, has nothing to do with us.

Rilwayne001:
Plainbibletruth, why have you not been replying your mentions?

RagnarLodbrok:
There's a whole passage in the Quran dedicated to this, it's called suratul Ali Imran.

Speaks of imran (Joachim as you know him), Anne, and how they were old and craved a child after seeing a bird feed its young ones.



What now?



It's quite obvious, if Angels came to her but then she was praying to her lord before an angel came to further explain, does that not mean the Angels weren't there? Grow a brain!



3:7
Sahih International
It is He who has sent down to you, [O Muhammad], the Book; in it are verses [that are] precise - they are the foundation of the Book - and others unspecific. As for those in whose hearts is deviation [from truth], they will follow that of it which is unspecific, seeking discord and seeking an interpretation [suitable to them]. And no one knows its [true] interpretation except Allah . But those firm in knowledge say, "We believe in it. All [of it] is from our Lord." And no one will be reminded except those of understanding.

There are straightforward verses, and there are some no muslim evn tries to interpret because their meanings are known only to Allah.


U hmmm! Just to point out christian hypocrisy.


Ohhhh, or am I?



You still are, clown!

PS since none of you had the cohones to ask me, I asked myself.

RagnarLodbrok:
Lool! Confused lad. You're attacking the wrong person mate!

malvisguy212:
the guy is not making sense at All.

RagnarLodbrok:
What did I cook up? Wasn't it quite clear and obvious?

Looool! Clown!

RagnarLodbrok:
There is a very simple explanation, which can be understood from the Qur'an.

The events have taken the following sequences:

First:
Allah (swt) sent the angels to tell Mary (p) about the glad tidings. This
is in verse (3:45).


Then:
After the Angels left Mary (p) she started wondering and prayed to Allah
(swt) asking Him in the first part of verse (3:47): "O my Lord!, How shall
I have a son when no man has touched me…"

Note: Here she didn't ask the angels but she prayed and asked Allah (swt).
This means that the Angels have already gone. If the Angels were still
there then why she didn't ask them.?

So, after she prayed and asked Allah(swt), Allah (swt) sent one angel to
Mary (p) to give her His answer in the second part of verse (3:47) "… He
said: So (it will be) for Allah creats what He wills. When He has decreed
something, He says to it only:"Be!"- and it is."


Finally:
After a period of time Allah (swt) sent his messenger, the angel Gabriel
(p), to grant her a pure child. This is in verse (19:19).

In this time she didn't ask Allah as in verse (3:47), but she asked the
Angel Gabriel (p) because he was in front of her and she was afraid from
him: " How can I have a son, when no man has touched me, nor am I
unchaste?" ,verse (19:20)

The angel answered her as mentioned in verse (19:21).

Isn't this a simple explanation? Clown!

RagnarLodbrok:
Why Quran calls Mary, a Sister of Aaron ?
The verse in question is;

"O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!" (Al-Qur’an 19:28)

It does not mean that here Qur’an calls Mary, the real sister of Aaron, the Prophet who was hundreds of years before her. Here she is only being called a female person of the family, from the Noble lineage of Prophet Aaron.

The Qur’anic usage:


In order to understand Qur’anic language one must look into other Qur’anic passages.

Qur’ans calls Prophet Shoaib as the brother of the people of Midian. Qur’an says;

“And unto Midian (We sent) their brother, Shu'eyb." (Al-Qur’an 7:85)

And similarly Qur’an calls Prophet Salih, the brother of the people of Thamud. It says;

"And unto Thamud (We sent) their brother Salih." (Al-Qur’an 11:61)

In both these examples it is never meant that the Prophets were the real brothers of the each and every person of that tribe. It’s only way to address them. It means that Shu'aib was a (male) person from the people of Midian and similarly Salih from the people of Thamud.

So in the very same manner when Qur’an describes Mary, the mother of Christ as 'Sister of Aaron', It means that she is being referred to as a (female) person from the people, the lineage of Prophet Aaron.
This is infact an Arabic idiom, a way to address. In Arabia a person from the tribe Banu Mudhar may be addressed as Ya Akha Mudhar, meaning 'O the brother of Mudhar'.

The Prophetic answer to this question:

Mughira b. Shu'ba reported: When I came to Najran, they (the Christians of Najran) asked me: You read" O sister of Aaron", whereas Moses was born much before Jesus. When I came back to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) I asked him about that, whereupon he said: “The (people of the old age) used to call names (of their persons) after the names of the Prophets and pious persons who had gone before them.” (Sahih Muslim, Book on General Behaviour, Hadith 3962)

The Holy Prophet (PBUH) meant to say that Mary’s relationship with Prophet Aaron was mentioned because she was of his lineage for among Semites it was common to associate a person with his lineage.

This fits the context as well. The people thought that Mary had done something unworthy of a chaste woman and thus as they rebuked her, they first made a reference to her noble ancestry and then testified that even her own father was no wicked person (verse 28).

Observations from the Bible:

1- One thing we need to consider is that Qur’an does not call Mary ‘Sister of Moses’ but ‘Sister of Aaron’.

2- Aaron (PBUH) we know was the first in line for the Israelite priesthood.

3- New Testament clearly tells us that Elizabeth, the mother of John the Baptist (PBUH) was from the lineage of Aaron (Luke 1:5). Also it tells that Mary was a cousin of Elizabeth (1:36). Therefore we can easily call them both ‘Sisters of Aaron’ i.e. from the lineage of Aaron.

4- Infact we have evidence of the similar usage from the Bible. In Genesis 13:8 Abraham and Lot are called brothers while certainly they did not come from loins of one individual. It reads;

“And Abram said unto Lot, Let there be no strife, I pray thee, between me and thee, and between my herdmen and thy herdmen; for we be brethren.”

A certain Christian commentator, Adam Clarke says in his commentary to this verse;


‘[It means] we are of the same family, worship the same God in the same way, have the same promises, and look for the same end.’

Was the same not true in case of Mary and Aaron? Were they both not from the same priestly family and of same faith?

So the conclusion is that this is only a beautiful way of expression in the Arabic language and to try to twist it some other way speaks only of ones inner wickedness and that’s all!

INDEED ALLAH KNOWS THE BEST!

malvisguy212:
God bless you my brother, here is another one:

the Quran claims that one night, God took Muhammad to the "al- Aqsa" mosque is in Jerusalem:

"Exalted is He who took His Servant by
night from al-Masjid al-Haram to al-
Masjid al-Aqsa, whose surroundings
We have blessed, to show him of Our
signs. Indeed, He is the Hearing, the
Seeing." - Quran 17:1

The Muslim army conquered Jerusalem
in 637 AD and the al-Aqsa mosque was
completed in 705 AD. The problem with
the above passage in the Quran is that
Muhammad died in 632 AD, which was 5years before the Muslim army reached
Jerusalem and 73 years before the al-
Aqsa mosque was built.

malvisguy212:
the quran is a joke.