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Igbos in Bayelsa? Hausa and Fulani as one group?

I'll say Igbo.

I've noticed that most people generally disagree with Hausa being the biggest majority group.

NewIdeas:
I need more contribution with regards to cost of accommodation in Nnewi/Awka.

Awka's much cheaper than Nnewi. Someone else can fill you in with all the details.

All these views and not one person wants to help me out?

How safe is it to send an okrika TV (42/3-inch L.E.D., preferably L.G., Samsung or Sony) to Nigeria and what site could sort purchase and delivery?

OMANBALA1:
What are you onto?
Are you drunk or what?

I knew he was onto something when he called obi a Yoruba word.

My bad for lumping you in with troll laudete, blues. I thought I saw vague similarities in posting style but then I ain't been here too long.

I thought I saw similarities in posting style. My bad blues.

Na only me or does anyone else think blues2022 and laudete are the same troll?

laudete, I'm no Biafra agitator and I'm not claiming anyone into the Igbo nation o. If a Yoruba man can partially sabi Igala and admit it sounds like Yoruba, why is it not okay for me to point out that Igala is a Yoruboid language? How does pointing out well-known linguistic affinity mean I'm claiming ndi Igala as even Yoruba, let alone Igbo?

lawani:
The word obi or Oba used to mean King, ibi used to mean evil or bad thing, oyibo used to mean white man. There are a lot. Then for mannerism and culture the practice of kingship system, bowing down to kings and etc.

Re-reading this is funny. So obi na Yoruba word now?

How true is it that Ebira and Igbo languages are similar?

You're not bad looking at all, by the way. You're what we call omalicha in Igbo.

Hian. Igbo-Fulani kwa? Gini?

How many more of these 'Do I look Nigerian?' threads do we need?

You look like a typical Nigerian/West African to me. I'd say more Igbo than Yoruba but that's all I can tell.

Enugu-Ezike people are as fetish as they come
Owerre babes do akwuna and answer complex oyibo names (aka Victoriana)
Abakaliki people are razz and hot-headed
Anambra men are illiterate industrialists who pronounce rice as lice
Mbaise people are wicked

No turmeric?

Keneking:
These ones go dey chop Burger and cheese no be amala and ogbono soup

We Igbos don't eat amala.

laudate:
See this one. You are now dodging the issue by saying that it wasn't you claiming "Ika and Ukwuani people as Igbo initially". Uh? You forgot that I read through all the pages on that thread and even made comments. You may not have claimed it initially, but you definitely ended up declaring it eventually to them and even supported those who were trying to drown out Ika voices, that kept insisting on their dual Edo/Igbo heritage. Now you are coming in here to form 'innocent.' Hehehe...we know your antics.

Continue with your recital, dictation, chants and advertisement of Igala and Itsekiri are Yoruboid languages. You will soon end up telling us what Kogi State is owing you by the time everyone gets to the end of this thread.We are watching, in 3D!

The dodo I'm frying is about to burn so I won't even bother replying properly to any of that for now. All I can say is you've obviously got an agenda to push and you should look for a kiddies forum to post on. Any smart 17-year-old kid could come up with the nonsense you type on this forum.

laudate:
I don talk am! See dem! IPOB crew that have now decided to dictate to the Igala, the constituents of their language. Are you tired of dictating to the Ika on your other thread, that you have now come to face the Igala?

If you knew for a fact that it was a Yoruboid language, what was the essence of opening a whole thread? You wanted to advertise the fact that you knew more about the Igala language than the Igalas themselves, or you just felt like dictating to the Igalas what their language should be or what it sounds like? You and your clique have done it on other threads, so why am I not surprised?

Hug the nearest transformer with wet hands, if you don't like my comments! Raw-bb-ish!

Hian. See mumu.

It wasn't me claiming Ika and Ukwuani people as Igbo initially. Go and read the thread.

This thread's not even about Igala people only but Kogi State as a whole. It's you who had to pick up on the Igala thing specifically and derail the thread. Igala and Itsekiri are Yoruboid languages and everybody knows that. Come and fight me from behind the screen na.

laudate:
What is languished?? I no talk am? I knew you would go down this route. You started this thread on a note of enquiry, and you have now rushed into a definitive lane by dictating what kind of language Igala resembles, or what class it belongs to. Why am I not surprised?? Stop dictating to the Igala what their language is or what it is not!

My friend shut up or commot for here. Igala is a Yoruboid language. End of.

Anyone can see languished was a typo for language.

laudate:
Guy, save the epistle for your brethren. I do not need your long defensive explanation on the Ika/Ukwuani vs the Igbo/Igboiid ethnic question. There is no need to rehash it here. I followed that thread in detail, so do not digress from the main subject that is under discussion, here.

The issue is how you and your clique like ascribing a particular ethnic identity or ancestry to a group, without their permission. Na wetin?? Why not let the Igala indigenes themselves tell you what their language sounds like or what their ethnic identity is. You are the one to dictate to them that their language sounds Yoruboid, not so?? Wait first, do you speak Yoruba as well as Igala? So why all these postulations about how Igala is Yoruboid? Leave the Igala indigenes to tell you exactly what their own language sounds like.

If one of them comes in here, to say that their language is not Yoruboid, I know you and your clique would go up in arms trying to shove it down their throats, on how Yoruboid or how many Yoruba clusters their language belongs to! Leave Igala indigenes to determine what exactly their language is! Chai!

Igala language is officially classed as Yoruboid. That's what their language is defined as and this shakara you're doing on this thread doesn't change that.

laudate:
Guy, just leave me and these so-called 'Igbo/Igboiid clique' that like to determine other people's ethnicity for them. I never said that the Yorubas are claiming Igala. I just asked the so-called 'Igbo/Igboiid clique' to allow the Igalas to determine what their language sounds like, and allow the Igala indigenes to describe their own ethnicity by themselves.

No one's deciding anything about their ethnicity but their language is Yoruboid and that's for show to any casual observer. You've got no point.

Afam4eva:
Your posutlations seem to come from a place of personal opinion rather than facts. The fact that Enuani is more similar in dialect to mainstream Igbos or more accepting of their Igboness does not negate the fact that the Ika, Ukwuani and Ikwerre question is a settled one. You can't go about calling them Edos thereby disregarding the Igbo content inherent in them. There will be no need to argue whether Ika is Igbo or not wihtout any concrete evidence.

Anyways, i think what you should be saying instead, is those who have accepted their Igboness versus those who don't want to be called Igbos and would rather be called what they choose. For instance in rivers state, the Ikwerres are the most anti-Igbo Igbo elements but in places like Etche, it's not as hostile. Infact, a lot of Etche people have no problem if you call them Igbo, likewise people from the Egbema axis.

Have I not just said that was my understanding at the time of making the thread?

laudate:
You see... I do not like engaging toddlers like you. You chaps are often unable to sift fact from fiction. This was the same way you started on the 'Ika vs. Igbo origins' thread the last time, only for you & your clique to end up foisting a mono-Igbo identity on the Ika, even when the Ika people kept insisting on their dual-Igbo-and-Edo heritage. All kinds of postulations, insults and e-fisticuffs were exchanged on that thread.

You now want to go down the same route on this thread, not so? Hehehe.....your nonsense will not work!

"I’ve researched this topic for time and my understanding is that there's three distinct groups in Anioma (Delta Ibo) - two Edoid-Igboid (Ika, Ukwuani/Ndokwa) and one Igbo proper (Enuani), that the latter (the only genuine, authentic Igbos who inhabit Delta Igboland) can be found around Asaba/Oshimili/Aniocha area, that "Bendel Igbos," as my mum calls them, (Ika and Ukwuani people) are culturally Edoid groups who happen to speak Igboid languages and that close proximity and the vague similarity in language is why a people who are essentially Bini are lumped in with the real Delta Igbos (Enuani). In exactly the same sense as that if true Yorubas occupied an area in (let's just say) Delta State with Igalas and Itsekiris, all three groups would all be known as "Delta Yoruba" since they're all linguistically Yoruboid and because they'd share neighbouring proximity with each other, forgetting that there's only one true group of Yorubas who inhabit that area - i.e., the Yorubas, not the other two non-culturally Yoruba groups who happen to speak Yoruboid languages (and not even Yoruba proper).

I tend to agree with the assertion that one and only true Igbos of Anioma are Enuani since I've encountered Enuani Igbos who hail from Asaba who are in literally every respect just as Igbo as a typical south easterner from Enugu or Anambra and the Ika-Ukwuani (Bendel) stock people who speak languages that share similarities with Igbo but who you couldn't in a million years imagine sipping palmy and chopping nkwobi in Ishiagu and red cap. grin

Ditto for Rivers folk. I know authentic Igbos can be found in the Bonny-Opobo axis (said to be, at least in part, descendants of settlers from the Awka-Orlu axis) but as for Ikwerres, does the fact that they happen to speak an Igboid language mean that they're also culturally Igbo (or at least before the civil war) and could someone fill me in on the other Igboid/Igbo groups of Rivers (Etche, Ndoni, etc.). I've looked for info. online and there's next to nothing on Wikipedia at least for Etches.

My question is, could someone fill me in on the Ikas and Ukwuanis of Delta and the Ikwerre, etc., of Rivers? Ika and Ukwuani definitely don't fall under the banner of Igbo proper but Igboid in a linguistic sense (even if you might well argue that their dialect is more intelligible than Nsukka/Ebonyi dialects) but are these people culturally Igbo or Edoid, etc.? I've only researched this for some time so my understanding's limited but that's the conclusion through reading and my own experiences with some of these folk."

That was my first post on that Delta Igbo thread. It was me that was insisting that Ukwuanis and Ikas aren't Igbo but Edo-Igbo hybrids (I even coined the term Edoid-Igboid) and that was my understanding at the time of making said thread.

Igala people aren't Yoruba and the language isn't but Yoruboid. An outsider like me can only go off intonation rather than individual lexicon but Igala when spoken sounds very Yoruba-like and it forms a language cluster with Olukwumi, Itsekiri and Yoruba as Yoruboid languages and you know this.

laudate:
Igala people speak Yoruba?? You have started with this your language-fishing expeditions, again. Last time, you were on a thread claiming that Ika people are Igbo or something. The argument about the Igbo, Igboiid and Edo origins of the Ika, has not yet been settled on that thread.

The dust you generated there, is still rising even as we speak. Now you have started with this your 'Igala vs Yoruba/Yoruboid languages' theory...may God deliver you from causing confusion.

Quit throwing your dollies out the pram, kid. If you actually use your eyes to read you'll see that I was asking about the rate of Igala people speaking Yoruba in addition to their Yoruboid language. I didn't say anything wrong.

And either you're taking the piss or confusing me with someone else since it wasn't even me who outright claimed Ika people are Igbo (more the opposite if anything). I've always said you're a very confused nigga and you're not doing much to make me think different. Know your place.

YourNemesis:
Igala is like an old Yoruba substrate speech that has received lots of infusions from "strange" (so to speak) languages from Jukun to Idoma to Igbo (In the southern extremities like Ibaji. With all these additions, it has somewhat morphed into something else.
some consonants seem to have also mutatedd in Igala and deviated from what seem their original form.

i.e R to L, J to BI, N to L
For example

Eje (Seven) = Ebie
Aja (Dog) = Abia
Ori (Head) = Oji
Ale {Night) = Ane
Enu, Arun (Mouth) = Elu/Alu
Akere (Frog) = Akele
Orun (Sun) = Olu
E.tc

Yoruba and Igala languages are like/akin to Igbo and Ekpeye (I hope I am right)
Short speeches are more understandable to speakers of both than longer discussions.

I.e

I am Hungry
Yoruba: Ebi n kpa mi
Igala: Ebi a kpa mi

Come and let's catch Fish:
Yoruba: Wa ka kpa Eja
Igala: Wa ka kpa Eja

Let us bring / pull ourselves together, and stay together.
Igala: Je kafola wa mola, kajo kpai ola wa
Yoruba: Je Kafara wa mora, kajo kpelu ara wa

God, Give/bring me a child
Olorun, Gb'omo fun mi
Ojo, Gb'oma du mi

Listen to me, I am eating three black Bananas (unripe) with yams tomorrow.
T'eti gbo mi, Maa je ogede dudu meta kpelu Isu ni ola
L'eti gbo mi, Naa je ogede dudu meta kpai utsu ni ona.

Give the watch onyour hand to me
Mu ago owo e fun mi
Mu ago owo e du mi



Overall, I can get the general "hint" of what an igala person is saying, but nothing concrete.

Interesting. I agree with your likening of Igala to Yoruba as Ekpeye is to Igbo. As an outsider I can only go by intonation but that alone sounds very Yoruba-like.

What do you think about words being shared in Igbo and Yoruba through Igala? Igala's sometimes seen as a bridging point between the two languages even though the language is Yoruboid.

obuus:
@Probz, how do you mean that Ukwuani are culturally edoid? Which Ukwuani clan or community have you visited? Name one edoid characteristics in language, culture,government, etc. The most distinguishing feature of the Edos is their monarchical system of government. However, 95% of Ukwuani clans are republican and without kings till date. ,maybe you are among those who read some dishonest posts that the Ukwuani came from Benin. But who comes from Benin and uses Igbo to name himself or his location!

If you read the whole thread, you'd know that we've come a long way since that point and that I made it clear that I was only going off what I'd heard and understood from various sources. Not fact.

9jakool:
Ok this is starting to seem educational. I have a question about the Ika, Anioma, Ikwerre, and ukwani people? Are they Igbo (honest question) and is there a level of mutual ineligible with Southeastern Igbo?

The Anioma-Igbo relations have already been discussed to death on one of my threads. Check it out - https://www.nairaland.com/3539543/delta-rivers-igbos

Anioma's just a blanket political term for not just Ukwuanis and Ikas but also Enuanis (Asaba/Igbuzo/Ogwashu-Ukwu environs). The latter are indisputably Igbo and the dialect of Igbo they speak (Enuani) is just like general Onicha Igbo. Ikas and Ukwuanis speak Igboid languages but their culture and dialect's mixed with Bini and so they're still trying to figure out whether they're Igbo, Edo or just plain Delta. I wasn't sure myself until very recently but most people see them as Igbo. The Edo intonation they speak with is what makes their languages sound foreign.

Ikwerres are definitely Igbo and I know for sure that most Rivers Igbo dialects generally are just like the ones you'll hear anywhere in Imo state, only a-little heavier. In global terms (if you’re conversant-enough with the U.K.) general Imo lects would be akin to the Garston/Grassendale/Kensington slices of Liverpool, whereas Rivers-Igbo lects (inc. Ikwerre) would be more-like Hale, Tarbock Village, Hough Green and Netherley. One’s an idyllically-refined/correspondingly-coarse version of Scouse. The other’s got a more nichely-deep tone to it that naturally places it closer to the peripheral outliers but they’re still barking up approximately the same udala/agbalumo tree. The latter aren’t-quite Eastern wools but-then they kinda are.

Ersan:
No need to come at me like that. Im just curious. Whats the connection?

Some Enugu communities border with Idoma and have a little Idoma and Igala mix up and dialect (Enu-ugwu-Ezike/Nsukka peeps) but that's as far as it goes. They're their own tribe.

9jakool:
Yes I see where you are coming from. The name "Okun" comes from the way Yoruba groups in Kogi greet each other. Okun is an umbrella term term for Yagba, Bunu, Owe, Ijumu, and Oworo people and yes they are Yoruba through the dialect continuum and the shared origin/mythology. As for a comparison with Ika/Ukwani/Ikwerre, I can only think of the Itsekiri. Although their dialect is similar to the Ilaje and Ikale dialects of Ondo state, they've maintained their distinction from Yoruba people. Some of their culture bear resemblance to Bini due to proximity/history similarly to Ika and others.
Yes Igala people are distinct, even though there are similarities between the two languages.

That's right. How mutually intelligible are Igala and Yoruba languages?

Ersan:
Idomas are igbos?

Is that what I said?