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4everGod:
First of all Mrmontella when you have a minority group and Christians being in the majority posting a comparison between both is really laughable and this is why.

If you have 7million Christians in USA and 1million atheists and out of this 7million you have 500k in prisons and out of the 1million atheists you have 2000 in prisons its clear to see that if the atheists were to be 7million their number would have been either about 2million in jail. That being said

I would like you to drop your figures of deaths under Christianity and i will drop mine carried out under atheism and by atheists . Can we do that please.

6% of Americans are atheists. Just 0.2% of prisoners in US are atheists. Other sites have 0.1%... U satisfied??

KingEbukasBlog:
Atheists alone killed close to 250 million .

https://www.nairaland.com/3176513/atheist-murderers-past-present-murderous

https://www.nairaland.com/2988881/atheism-terrorism-annihilation-quest-atheistic

It was compiled on those threads

U know what... First all the civil wars caused by Christians from Africa to Europe, then the world wars. Not to mention victims of slavery, crusades, the Inquisition, Christian terrorist attacks... There is no comparison

KingEbukasBlog:
Exactly ! And we know that their wrong because they don't live righteous lives . Please on what grounds do atheists condemn North Korea's President for taking females as sex slaves .

On what ground do you condemn the priests. Paedophilia is not condemned in the bible u know...

MrMontella:
ive begged them lets compare the total number of deaths commited by atheists with the ones done by religious persons...(only christians)...they always dodge it

Dodging is a basic skill set for Christians... U won't see either 4everGod, felixomor or KingEbukasblog address the studies u mentioned now... They will either disappear into thin air or come and be addressing entirely unrelated issues

MrMontella:
Atheists have no moral compass yet christians supernaturally outnumber atheists in prisons at a
ratio of 70% to 0.07%
https://i68.tinypic.com/16m27ts.jpg

https://i65.tinypic.com/346731s.jpg

atheists have no moral compass,yet studies have shown that atheists have more compassion than religious persons
www.livescience.com/20005-atheists-motivated-compassion.html


atheism has no moral compass yet studies prove that atheists are more altruistic than theistic religious people i.e religious persons are more meaner
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/06/religious-children-less-altruistic-secular-kids-study?CMP=fb_gu


the least corrupt countries in the world are even majorly the non-religious countries in the world..
www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/27/464586586/what-were-the-least-and-most-corrupt-countries-in-2015

abeg you need an E-slap to reset your brain

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this study explicitly shows that religion plays no roles in morals
www.livescience.com/47799-morality-religion-political-beliefs.html

cc:hopefullandlord 4kings

That's what am talking about... And KingEbukasblog will come and be telling us about some 50 atheists... Nice one boss

KingEbukasBlog:
What by what standards do atheists condemn anything ?




I don't assent to sexual servitude but North President Kim does not agree with me

https://www.nairaland.com/3075853/atheist-n.korean-pres-kim-jong

He loves them young at the age of 13 and innocent

Spits !

Some catholic priests also love them young... See what am saying

felixomor:
Oh now u mentioned "siblings"

U dont have shame, honestly.
I will say it again and again...

Say it as many times as u want... In fact I will like your comment each time you say that

KingEbukasBlog:
Atheists are terrible people . The communists justified the killings of the religious people because they felt that where encumbrances to the actualization of their communist paradise . Even atheists on that thread I posted its links to you praised the communist government . To those atheists , the communist governments did the right thing

They claimed that man not God determines what is good or evil . And it is most times arbitrary .

You randomperson can be perfidious in business and then justify it with the principle of evolution - survival of the fittest .

Isn't it what atheists used to justify the killings Or don't you know history of wickedness carried out by your mentors

Lolz... Why are u circling back again?? Or u out of points?? There are bad atheists?? OK. But there's worse Christians... If u can't disprove that, it's pointless replying

felixomor:
Mscheww,
So show me where i mentioned "ants and mosquitoes"
And where i compared them to "siblings"

Guy... Stop acting like a petulant four year old throwing tantrums... I mentioned siblings but only after u compared god killing humans to me killing mosquitoes. How difficult can this be really??

KingEbukasBlog:
For the umpteenth time , God also permitted Israel to face the same consequences these pagan nations faced . If you peruse the book of Judges , you'd see that God also allowed Israel's enemies to kill and oppress them anything they err from the accepted standards of God by imitating pagan nations and living despicably sinful lives . So where is the partiality

Israel too faced brutal killings , oppression and subjugation from their enemies allowed by God Himself .

That God killed or allowed the killing of Israelites is not an argument in favor of God, it is against God... U need to read that my first comment again .. U have failed to address the issues there

KingEbukasBlog:
I still don't understand how someone will have a relationship with God that abominates sin and then have a tendency for crime . You can't reconcile such . So here's my take :

Those people who live turpitudinous lives are simply affiliated to Christianity . And there are sects in Christianity with doctrines like purgatory that gives man the leeway to commit sin . And in those sects , some immoral acts are seen as peccadilloes or venial while some are abominable . And people feel that they can always come to ask for forgiveness from God as they seek to transform their lives . But here's what the bible says :

Romans 6 : 1

1. What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.


But for the atheists , I just don't know . They have no moral compass - that explains why they deplore moral absolutism .

Like lying is not good . We all know that - its objective

But atheists feel that if you have to lie to save your job then it is justified . That's utter nonsense . Anyway no spoilers - morality will be discussed fully in my thread with dalaman .

Legendary goal post shifting. No true Scotsman fallacy. Double standards. All in just one comment.... First u say atheists are terrible people, I show u that by stats and facts Christians are actually the terrible people. Then u say they are not true Christians. But u count the ones that are not true Christians when u want to show that there are many Christian scientists
Also, u say the terrible Christians are not true Christians but the terrible atheists are true atheists, right? Gimme a break

felixomor:
Oh so the argument is now "hypocrite"?

U have no shame.
Honestly speaking.

Am tired... U called me hypocrite because I kill ants and mosquitoes and am still condemning the killing of humans by god...

felixomor:
So u finally lied and ran away.

Lied about what... Are u denying u called me hypocrite?? Why did u call me hypocrite?? Am tired of childish argument. If you want to help your brother respond to my comment, be my guest

KingEbukasblog ... Where art thou??

KingEbukasBlog:
Come on get away from here

If you read through this thread you'd see that atheists praised communist goverments for the evil they did people who believed in God

https://www.nairaland.com/3176513/atheist-murderers-past-present-murderous


Atheism and terrorism

https://www.nairaland.com/2988881/atheism-terrorism-annihilation-quest-atheistic

I remember atheists here also say they see nothing wrong with bestiality and incest


https://www.nairaland.com/3202859/nairaland-atheists-incest-right-wrong

https://www.nairaland.com/3246878/nairaland-atheists-bestiality-right-wrong

U need to learn. U don't argue by showing isolated circumstances or individual cases... U argue by showing preponderance of evidence.
For example, that shekau is a terrorist doesn't mean all northern Muslims are terrorists. U have to show me what percentage of northern Muslims are terrorists.
We have atheist murderers but we have way more Christian murderers. There may be atheist terrorist groups but there are way more Christian terrorist groups. And yes some atheists might support incest but we have Christians like you who support genocide if it's commanded by god...
But on an average, Christians have a higher tendency to be criminals, terrorists, racists, bigots than atheists... I dare you to disprove that

KingEbukasBlog:
In that dispensation yes , in this current dispensation no .

I find no reason to take seriously any atheist that argues on morality .

Atheists have no moral compass , so I don't understand by whose standards they are judging other people

Oh atheists have a higher moral code... Lemme educate you, atheists have lesser crime rates than Christians, they make only an insignificant percentage of prison inmates and they have less tendency to be involved in or to approve of violence...

felixomor:
Where did i mention "ants or mosquitoes"?

And if i did where was comparison made with my siblings?

U forgot where u called me hypocrite for killing mosquitoes and ants while condemning god for killing humans in the bible

Well... It's pretty obvious where Christians stand on this... As long as god commands it, it's okay to kill other human beings... God is good!!

felixomor:
I never compared anything.
U were the first and only person to ask "sibling" question.

Stop telling lies.
I asked u a simple yes/no question.

U never compared anything?? Why did u mention ants and mosquitoes when were discussing the murder of humans.... U don't need to lie now...

felixomor:
My siblings are alive, u have no point.

A simple question of yes or no, has gotten to my siblings...Wow


Of course , what can i expect from an atheist?

It's a hypothetical question. U compared human beings to ants and other animals. And I showed u the analogy is silly by pointing to your siblings... But u still wanted to remain loyal to the silly analogy. So...

Op.... U need to read the news. Atheism is growing in almost the developed countries and Christianity is losing adherents...
BTW... Do u believe the utter extermination of the amalekites was literal

felixomor:
Like i said.

U start with "A=B",

Then u move to "A is not B, but B's cousin"

And then u finally move to "A is not B's cousin but I know A more than you."

Just like yoyo.
Ever drifting.

Well, i wouldn't expect nothing more from somebody who said foetus in the womb is not a a human being scientifically.

You nauseate, honestly.

Am happy I nauseate you. I don't need the approval of someone who supports infanticide... And someone who equates his own sibling to a dog just to show that his god is not wrong

KingEbukasBlog:
We are going in circles , you asked me the same question that I just answered . I'm tired of typing long posts which are otiose to the life of an avowed moralless atheist .

You have no reason what so ever to condemn anyone since you are an atheist .

Well.... At least you didn't totally disappear as you usually do when issues you can't twist are raised.... U call me moraless but you justify the killing of children. U will justify anything as long as it is in the bible, be it murder, rape, genocide, slavery or paedophilia. Am totally against all this no matter who the perpetrator is.... Am not Moraless, u are....
And yes atheists can condemn and criticize people... We happen to be the ones with the least tendency for violence. Christians on the other hand...

felixomor:
God forbid,
Both hurt me.

I can see u r still trying hard to justify ur wickedness.
Ride on,

Hypocrite.

Both hurt u?? So a dog is as important as your sibling. Cool

KingEbukasBlog:
Now you are shifting the goal post . You asked for the sin of the Canaanites , I gave you a plethora of reasons why the Canaanites were wicked people and now you claim that God's promise to Abraham was ill thought out ? For me to start explain God's promise to Abraham down to the extermination of the Canaanites ? What is wrong with you people

If you can't carry out of these researches by yourself don't bother people with irrelevant questions when you'll never ever apply this knowledge to future arguments . You'll still ask another Christian the sin of the Canaanites hoping he won't have knowledge of it so that you show your hatred for God .

The Canaanites were wicked people who needed to be wiped out . God foresaw this and promised Abraham that land since he was going to judge them for their wickedness .

Deuteronomy 9:4
4 “Do not say in your heart, after the Lord your God has thrust them out before you, ‘It is because of my righteousness that the Lord has brought me in to possess this land,’ whereas it is because of the wickedness of these nations that the Lord is driving them out before you.

Oh ... Now that I've caught your lie that children were not killed, u are getting defensive. Am familiar with the bible, u can't bamboozle me with lies like u do to some.
Simply justify the killing of children in order to repay the wickedness of the Canaanites. Or were the babies and toddlers guilty too??...
BTW, the Canaanites had been involved in these despicable acts for centuries but your god sat and looked while children were used for rituals. Then, when the Israelites needed the land he then remembered that the people were wicked and then wiped them out including their children.... Very convenient isn't it?

felixomor:
Of course, other animals have emotions like you.

You see yourself justifying your wickedness now?

Hypocrites of maximum order....

Idiocy... If u lose your sibling or your dog. Which one will hurt you more

felixomor:
U r also guilty of genocide on lower and other animals.

What say you?
Yez/No

So humans and animals are the same now abi... Silly analogy

KingEbukasBlog:
Williams Craig mentioned in the video that the Canaanites were, according to ancient history outside biblical text , morally despicable wicked people . And that their culture was grossly immoral, decadent even to its roots.

The Canaanites practiced divination, witchcraft, female and male temple sex, adultery, homosexuality, transvestitism, pederasty (men sexually abused boys), bestiality and incest.

And if you look at Genesis 19:30 -36 we can see that after Sodom - a Canaanite city - was destroyed by God , daughters of Lot made their own father drunk - this according to history was one of the sexual practices known to the city (incest) which was just annihilated .

The Canaanites also practiced child sacrifice. And according to Lev 18 : 21 God had commanded that the Israelites should never give their children to be sacrificed to Molech .

Here is what Molech looks like :

Molech was a Canaanite underworld deity represented as an upright, bull-headed idol with human body in whose belly a fire was stoked and in whose outstretched arms a child was placed that would be burned to death

And I discovered that it wasn't just infants who were victims of this nauseatingly wicked practice , even toddlers were scarified to Molech . Also note that archaeological evidence proves that the children were burned to death in their thousands . So much wickedness that God now commanded the Israelites to exterminate them after 400 years of reprieve .

And according to Philosophers like Paul Copan all the archaeological evidence available indicates that there were no civilian populations that existed at Jericho, Ai, and other cities mentioned in the book of Joshua .

Philosopher Paul Copan also explained that :

“Joshua’s conventional warfare rhetoric was common in many other ancient Near Eastern military accounts in the second and first millennia B.C.” Therefore, phrases like “utterly destroy” (haram), or “put to death men and women, children, and infants”—as well as other “obliteration language”—were stock “stereotypical” idioms used even when women or children were not present. It decreed total victory (much like your favorite sports team “wiping out” the opposition), not complete annihilation.

So William Craig was right .

Really?? Rabah or what was the name of that prostitute, she was a civilian and I know all her family resided in Jericho because the bible records she and her family were spared. U are trying to make the actions of God more palatable by altering the facts as presented by the bible. God commanded the complete extermination of the amalekites too so it's no surprise.
And god already promised that land to Abraham hundreds of years ago. It was never about the wickedness of the Canaanites, it was about an ill thought out promise to Abraham

KingEbukasBlog:
Exactly !

The Canaanites were wicked people who committed despicable acts against humanity . And God gave 400 years to change , 400 years .

And like I said earlier , the same God also made Israel vulnerable to their enemies who also massacred them as way of imposing his Judgement on them anytime they were errant - they behaved like their pagan neighbors .

U didnt reply my first comment to you...
Well... Exactly what did the Canaanites do that warranted the killing of not just the adults but the children and animals

naijadeyhia:
Now you are sounding angry.

Go sip on some ice cold water then answer my simple question.

IF THE HUMAN LAW GIVERS STILL BREAK THE VERY LAW THEY GIVE SO WHO THEN SAYS THEIR LAW IS PERFECT OR WHO GAVE THE LAW THEY GAVE THE SEAL OF AUTHORITY AS THE FINAL ARBITER FOR MANKIND?

Those who are tried and convicted still come out and break other laws. So how can laws curb crime when there are so many more to break both knowingly and unknowingly after all the same law says IGNORANCE IS NO EXCUSE

Who ever said the law is perfect?? I said it's the best we've ever had. Better than anything your god could conjure, either law or grace. Or can u show how law or grace has made the world a better place.
U people will justify genocide when it's committed by god. But when boko haram kill Christians in doing the bidding of their god, u say Islam is a violent religion. Hypocrisy of the highest order

naijadeyhia:
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Again you type rubbish!

Are the Presidents, senators, legislators, etc not people? WHY DO THEY STILL BREAK THE SAME LAWS THEY GIVE? This is too simple to not understand. WHY?

They are not perfect. They don't claim to be. Your god claims to be perfect but he still kills people even after saying thou shall not kill.... If senators commit a crime, they are tried and convicted but u people will defend your sick god no matter what he does

naijadeyhia:
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You just said all manners of rubbish!

I asked a simple question which deserves a simple answer. Let me post it again



I a nutshell why do the givers of the human law still have the ability to break the very same law they have given? We have laws that stand against killing but the law enforcement officers kill everyday.

We have laws against rape yet people who know this still rape

We have laws against murder but murder is still being commited daily

We have laws against practically everything but people still commit them even in the face of these laws?

Isnt the human law meant to eradicate all of that if it is the best we have got?


Can a man who is able to break the same laws he gives you be seen as the final authority to the law?

U don't comprehend easily....
The human law givers are not the president or senators. The entire people give themselves the law through their reps I.e. the legislators. I suggest u Google this or get a secondary school textbook... U are a science student it's understandable... And my battery is low