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ideabuilder:
I want this for Nigeria.

How old are you 15? The Nigerian military collapsed the entire Nigerian economy by 1997. Why would you want to go back to that? A period when Nigeria had an economy smaller than present day Ghana? Where 90%+ of the population lived in poverty. When the only things Nigerians aspired to do, was leave the nation. A period when Nigeria had nothing, no cities, no infrastructure development...nothing.

You need to get off the "get rich quick" mindset, and understand development takes time. It took the Western World over 220 years to build the societies you all love to flee too.

kingreign:
If military rule will make things work for them, I am totally in support of it. If democratic rule will not work, I'd kick against it. It's high time we stopped copying the Western world and do something that will work well for us by charting a new course in our continent and country's own growth part. Democracy isn't working for most W. African countries truth be told.

So uneducated people can run a country better than educated people? According to you? Seeing as there's no ethical difference between the two, both civilian and military are corrupt, don't you think it makes sense to have people who know how to run an economy, running an economy. As opposed to people who are trained to kill, trying to write policies, and stimulate economic growth?

Soldiers are not supposed to operate within their country. You have security forces for such tasks. Soldiers are killers, that's what they're trained to do, they're not trained to handle civil disputes, that's why they ALWAYS overreact when put in such circumstances.

OruExpress:
Ghanaians and South Africans that aren't in the same country as Igbos, are they free from Igbos forever?


El Rufai gave his quote about Igbo owned property in Abuja, the Lagos State Gov has said the same for their city at multiple points in our contemporary history. El Rufais quote was 60% if you believe I'm being alarmist.

Biafrans are saying what you're saying and everyone else, including some Igbos in the south south are not agreeing. If war breaks out, will they take a stance separate from the stance they're taking today? No.

They have a reason for taking that stance. To you Biafra is common sense and supoorting Igbos over Fulani is common sense. But once you look around, no other group sees your sense as common.

A thoughtful and tactful person would ask why. Not assume they will join your side at the end, not assume everyone loves you and hates them, not assume everyone shares your common sense.

Ask why and strategize accordingly. Have a plan based on observable reality.

If you see people say Fulani president nobody flinches. Let Pete Obi come out to contest against Atiku and tell me who Nigerians will question and who they'll accept. In fact we have willingly voted in several. Say Igbo president and tell me the idea is as welcomed. You then believe these people will lift guns and point it at them and not you?

The havoc you're speaking of, when the first war happened Nigerians had just exited Usman Dan Fodios Jihad. Did they side with you? Its these little hit and runs that will convince them and you're plan is to anticipate the mana from the sky that makes your common sense being everyone elses.

Is the argument that these other groups will opt to align with Igbo people over the North? Of course not. It's about bonds. In the 60s, Nigeria's future was shrouded in mystery, no one knew where it'd go. That's why those groups, especially in the South-South, took their chances. Today, that's no longer the case. The South-South and Middle-Belt, know what they'd be fighting for if they opted to fight on the side of Nigeria, which is poverty, invasions, pogroms and marginalisation, and none of them would have the motivation to fight for that. Instead, they'd either remain neutral or fight for their own nation. The former, being the most likely outcome.

That aside, If Nigeria collapses, which is most likely to case, it won't involve the South-East. Right now you have Boko Haram in the NE, Fulani Herdsmen killing people in Kaduna and the Middle-Belt. It's only a matter of time til they move to the South, in full force. Then those other groups that have conspired to keep Igbo people in Nigeria, will start to look for their own way out.

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Saddamochieng00:
My ninja what's your understanding of development... Is it big towns which are 90% slums(Slumpolis)... A good example being Ibadan

Development means good roads, power supply, water supply, Internet coverage and a whole lotta other things which are found in plenty in Kenya (my country) rural areas. Note: Kenya has the fastest Internet speeds in Africa. I gotta admit that we only have two big cities ie Mombasa and Nairobi but I myself prefer residing in the rural areas because all the amenities are available there.

This is a good example...one is Kitengela town an hours drive from the city and Nakuru some two hours from Nairobi


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYGjV5un2Lc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud8dAk_zW28

Kenya is home to the largest slums in Africa, so you're in no position to talk about slum cities. That said, Lagos is richer than your entire country, with just 45% of its population.

Village life in Kenya isn't so bad. So props to that:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOXfRg7bUfY

That said, I think you should humble yourself a bit.

Unnerve:
It's not just Somalia, a good number of these countries are developing faster than Nigeria.

Nigerians are just unusually braggadocio over absolutely nothing - you see it in everything and in almost everyone, from the elite to the poorest persons in a rural areas.

Show me another city, besides the one shown, in Somaliland. As I previously wrote, the development in most of those nations doesn't extend further than the one city. Imagine if all of Nigeria's development was centred in one city, and everywhere else was bush and mudhuts.

This is village life in Uganda:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZogWOzWSMo&t

Igbo village:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kSRPDjmqKU&t=97s

Saddamochieng00:
Do you know what you're saying....have you ever been to any East African city before.

Are these the cities you wanna compare with the East African ones

That picture is of India, and in those East African nations, the issue you're not considering is development spread. Most of those countries have all their development centred in ONE CITY. Leave that city, and it's just bush and mudhuts. Uganda being a prime example. Nigeria on the other hand, has many cities, spread all across the nation.

RuudVanNisteroy:
Richer in what aspect, not everyone in Lagos has bullion vans. When it comes to infrastructure: portable water,electricity,drainage,security,transportation, you will find Lagos is not that rich.

In terms of everything.

Lagos is richer than every country in East Africa. Including Kenya, Somalia, Ethopia, Uganda, Tanzania, etc.

PROUDIGBO:
See what i mean?

Northern Nigeria needs Onitsha port, just as much as the SE. So this one is to our advantage.

asha80:
that's 2 yrs ago report

Yea, but the report on concessioning of the port is from 3 months ago. The coronavirus delayed the process. The birthing of the largest vessel in Onne port was a few days ago, along with the news on using barges to send containers to Onitsha port. I'm not sure whether the conessioning process has been completed, but it looks like it has or is in its final stages.

NGpatriot:
Hell on earth, anambra,..

Those pictures were taken 20 years ago. I'm sure you weren't even born back then. What's your point?

At least when it comes to Ibadan and other places, the pictures are recent.

S.S.EKPO GREEN thinks life is a game, you can't just make up your own history. Millions of Igbo people died because of the actions of the Niger Delta.

The least he can do is be thankful and apologetic and move on.

FrLukas:
Oh I forgot, Lagos is Igboland.

Lagos is in Yorubaland but it wasn't built by Yoruba people. That's why there are no cities in Yorubaland that are able to rival it.

Additionally, 90% of Yoruba people live in the other 5 Yoruba states. So I'd like to see projects touching the lives of the generality of Yoruba people.

Sammy07:
Lol, one thing is killing you guys.
You think the world revolves around you, that you're the only tribe that has this or that.

You talked about shoprite, lol so you're the only tribe that has malls in Nigeria?

Malls of note...yes, but there are a few "shops" in Yorubaland.

QuotaSystem:
No wonder. Figures and claims from ipob bureau of statistics. When did innoson start manufacturing you liar? Someone that just welds imported Chinese parts together to make ugly cloned vehicles? Where are his presses? Stop clowning.

You have finally exposed the limits of your intellect. So you think coupling together ordinary laptop components which a secondary school student can do is comparable to innovating, designing and building a COVID-19 ventilator? Why am I even wasting my precious time enlightening you?

Lol Igbo man has the guts to even mention mass migration ... My friend listen carefully, as long as able bodied Igbo men are ferried to the North daily in your escape buses to escape poverty (despite all the bandits & Boko Haram) and hawk their okirika and otapiapia rat killer in our land for their daily bread, you have NOTHING to say to me or the North.

QED

You're a buffoon. LMAO!

Remind me to NEVER take anything you write seriously, again.

...and what the hell is a COVID-19 ventilator? LMAO! Is it some special kind of ventilator the world has never seen? Stop it. The ventilator was a hatch job. But that's fine, given the constraints. Calling it a ventilator is merely a formality.

Why don't your people build their own cars, in their infinite wisdom. Why don't you use some of that political smarts, to tackle the obscene amounts of poverty in your land.

Look and learn:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GThBWF_KsC8

Keep dreaming to yourself - That Igbo people are fleeing to a land ravaged by terrorism. Whatever makes you FEEL better. Because we all your kind. It's all about how things make you feel, rather than the reality of things.

totit:
At the bolded ;

https://www.nairaland.com/4951485/pics-bishop-oyedepo-canaancity-massive#74622432

Now what's the size of ebonyi? Now, show us, the km of land the so called mega estate covers in enugu.

Church city...lmao; from one of those pastors. Typical. There's no information on the project, website is down. So...can't confirm anything.

BabaRamota1980:
Lagos is Yorubaland. You cannot separate it.

I know it's Yorubaland, that's why I said OUTSIDE LAGOS. Another obtuse individual.

Using Lagos, defeats the entire purpose of my argument. The vast majority of Yoruba people, live in those other 5 Yoruba states. That's what I'm trying to draw attention to. There's no infrastructure projects going on in Osogbo, for example.

QuotaSystem:
Are you even aware DICON produced weapons used in the civil war against Biafrans?

Are you then claiming that Igbo men were in charge of making guns to kill their people or are you claiming DICON was established just last year when Ezugwu was appointed by President Buhari?

The joke is on you. That you're still adamantly ignorant of the North producing vehicles for decades proves I'm just wasting my time talking to a wall.

I've given you enough free education and enlightenment for one day. I don't cast my pearls at clowns. Focus on your backward Abia shithole, that's your real headache.

They made a few bullets, is that something to be proud of? Biafrans made rockets, bombs, guns, light armoured tanks, planes. There's no comparison, Nigeria received 99.99% of its military assets from the UK during the civil war.

I'm saying, DICON wasn't doing anything. Making a few guns is nothing, even Sudan makes military weapons, and Ethiopia. It wasn't until the return to democracy, after Northern military rule that DICON started making actual guns, APCs, drones, etc. None of that development has anything to do with Northern Nigeria, so stop bringing up DICON.

I said MANUFACTURE, not assemble. I'm fully aware of the assembly lines, many of which are gone, that existed in the North. None of that can be compared to Innonson, the FIRST AFRICAN CAR MANUFACTURER.

So you made a little ventilator, we make Laptops:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc_UdZ4vGC0

Why don't you focus on your 90% poverty rate. Boko Haram, Fulani Herdsmen. Millions of children out of school. Food insecurity. IDP camps, and mass migration to the South, for jobs.

Fix your problems, then you can talk.

totit:
I guess you didn't understand the words ' local investor ' lool


You may as well check the real estate built by Oyedepo....its almost the size of the whole abakaliki

Stop being obtuse. I said, investments in Yorubaland (OUTSIDE LAGOS). That project isn't anywhere near the size of abakaliki, it's less than 100 homes.

Enugu Lifestyle & Golf City is about 7 times larger, and it's one local investment in Enugu: https://www.enugulifestyleandgolfcity.com/

okpukpu:
How can South East perform well in FDI when federal government itself is so harsh to the region. Theres nothing that brings other Nigerian to the east. The only federal presence in the east is Prison. Still on still, i blame our leaders.

FDI stands for Foreign Direct Investment. The study is a measurement of foreign investments, not investments by Nigerians. There are tons of infrastructure projects going up in Igboland. Housing projects, new cities, factories, supermarkets, plazas, these things are not counted as FDI, because 99% of them are owned by Igbo people.

kristmalachy:
Southwest $81,808,183,342.05 (87.70%wink; South-South, $470,688,204.67 (0.50%); North Central, $10,732,800,098.87 (11.51%); North east, $ 39,414,980.00 (0.04%); and Northwest, $29,959,790 (0.03%).
[/b]South east, $203,898,690 million and representing just less than one percent (0.22%)
Don't understand why pointing at southeast only

[b]Anambra Attracts $4 Billion Investments in Two Years

The Governor Willie Obiano-led administration in Anambra State, says it has attracted over $4 billion investments into the State in two years.

Obiano, who revealed this at the award ceremony to round-off the silver jubilee celebration of the State (Anambra at 25), affirmed that his administration is intensely focused on driving his economic blueprint, through the four pillars of development, aimed at positioning the State for an uncommon economic growth.

The four pillars of development are, agriculture, industrialisation, trade and commerce and oil and gas.

He stated that his administration has so far, successfully placed Anambra State on the agricultural map of Nigeria, which is the number one pillar of his blueprint, saying that they would soon begin to make the same impact with industrialisation, trade and commerce and oil and gas, which make up the remaining pillars of his blueprint.

According to him, the four pillars of development hold the key to the future of Anambra State.

However, in order to add to the overall economic drive of the State, Obiano explained that his administration, has also adopted a new development strategy, known as the “Anambra Economic Transformation Programme” (AET-P), to enhance the integrated development of the State.

This strategy according to him, was developed to match the State’s new public sector efficiency with the growing interest of the private sector in order to achieve a set of clearly established goals.

These goals include, jumpstarting the immediate operations of the Onitsha Inland River Port, to serve as a catalyst to the State’s domestic economy, upgrading the Enugu-Onitsha Expressway into a world class highway with ultramodern ancillary services that will boost the State’s internally generated revenue (IGR).

Diversifying the State’s economy, by tapping the huge agricultural potentials of Anambra River Basin and finally, accelerating the construction and subsequent operations of the proposed international cargo and fuelling airport in Umueri.

He expressed confidence that the four pillars of development, would change the State’s economic landscape in the next 25 years and bring the people to a vantage position to drive development in West Africa and beyond.

Obianor, described Anambra people, as one of the best in the country, who have contributed immensely to the development of Nigeria.

He observed that Anambra indigenes are industrious and have supported Nigeria’s growth, noting that the award was instituted to honour indigenes of the State that merited it, irrespective of political, religious or traditional affiliations.

He urged the people of the State to join hands with his administration to bring the hopes and wishes of the people to fulfillment.

“I urge you to bring your dreams home, I urge you to bring your naira and dollar home. Though we have only 4,844 square meters of land, Anambra State is big enough for everyone, no matter the size of our dreams”.

That was in 2015 to 2016.

PigTormentor:
Ok

All these analysis missed the real reason for lack of investment in the SE. Most Igbos with means to purchase these goods don't even live in the SE hence low return on investment. They mostly live in the SW and the North hence money will always go to where their is a good ROI. End of story.

The study isn't on investments, it's on FOREIGN investments. Non-Nigerians investing in Nigeria.

totit:
Lool
A local investor? Well, I will not just provide one but more ;

https://www.nairaland.com/4110844/real-developers-lagos-top-30

Also, below is AmenEstate owned by a yoruba man.

There you have it, the ' a local investor ' lool

I said in the other 5 Yoruba states. Show me the equivalent. Everyone invests in Lagos, how big is Dangote's investment? Billions.

totit:
The fact that FDI is all the OP pray tell how does that means that local investors are not investing in SW states as well?

Also, I really don't know how you come about owing or having the highest local investors, I guess you made that up, orally?

Find me a local investor doing something on the scale of this: https://www.awkamillenniumcity.com/

In Yorubaland (outside Lagos).

Ank:
All I can say is that the Fulanis took we, Nigerians unawares. As far as I am concerned, Nigeria was first colonized by both the British and the Fulanis. Our fore fathers focused and succeeded on getting rid of the British, leaving out the Fulani's. When the British left the Fulani's hid behind Hausa people and used the religion of islam to dorminate Hausas and ultimately Nigerians both politically and militarily. The civil war made matters worse for us, Nigerians. It has now taken Nigerians fifty years to wake up from their slumber realize the real intensions of the Fulanis, which is to dorminate and take over Nigeria.

Fulani's don't dominate or control anything in Nigeria. Criminality is not control, it's just criminality. Igbo and Yoruba people control NIGERIA. Igbo and Yoruba people are the sole reason Nigeria exists, and it's only Igbo and Yoruba people that can break Nigeria. Fortunately, where Nigeria is concerned, both groups are at odds with one another.

QuotaSystem:
You presented compelling evidence of intellectual inadequacy which required questioning. Hence.



Here we go again

So you searched your whole brain & knowledgebase, yet are totally ignorant of manufacturing & innovation in the North? Are you totally oblivious of the fact that a team from Tafawa Balewa University built Nigeria's first COVID-19 ventilator? How can you claim to be an informed, well-rounded Nigerian if you didn't know PAN Kaduna has been manufacturing cars decades before Innoson started in the East? So you mean there aren't supermarkets, malls etc. in the North? Cement factories, several agro-processing factories (tomato, rice etc.) & even DICON Kaduna? How can you really be this unexposed & ignorant about your own country?

The problem with your kind is that you sit knee deep in your gutter filled okrika shops in Aba & make ignorant, unfounded claims about places you've never been & make brainless conclusions based on tales told by your biased & bitter conquered biafran uncles.

I really wish you could just focus on your evasive biafrauud since you are already too politically inadequate, inferior & unintelligent to be President over the rest of the country.

Having my intelligence questioned by the likes of you, is amusing to me...nothing more.

So a bunch of students hatched together a little ventilator, and now Northern Nigerians can compete with the rest of the country? Are you serious?

DICON Kaduna is the NIGERIAN MILITARY, it being in Kaduna has no bearing on anything, that said, it's been headed by Igbo men (Major General Victor Okwudili Ezugwu is the current DIRECTOR GENERAL OF DICON), throughout most of its existence. So, poor example, once again.

Show me this indigenous Northern Nigerian car manufacturing company. I'm so anxious to see it? LMAO!

Okay, let's get serious now. There's nothing in the North. That's a fact, you can either accept it, or spend the rest of your days lying to yourself. But as the saying goes, "a lie told a thousand times is still just a lie."

For those of you who don't understand, this report looks at foreign (non-nigerian) investments, not investments in generally. So Innoson setting up two additional manufacturing plants in Anambra and Imo state won't be included. Nor any of the other investments, housing estates, property developments, new cities, indigenous industries etc.

Nigerians are just obsessed with foreigners, always thinking the foreigner is better. That's why they would make a report like this, deliberately ignoring investments from Nigerians, which ultimately makes up the majority of Nigeria's investment.

The truth is, that right now even tiny Ghana is attracting more FDI than Nigeria.

No nation has ever developed from FDI, local investments should always be most important, which I'm sure SE ranks number one in.

I'd rather Innoson expand his car manufacturing to Imo and in Anambra, than any foreigner coming to leech off the economy.

QuotaSystem:
Are you then implying that the satanic cultism, baby trafficking, subhuman skull mining & ritual killings ravaging the south right now as well as the poverty ravaged easterners lining up for kerosene all mean there is no intelligence in the south?

Stop sounding like you lack basic intelligence yourself.

You're just bitter at your political inferiority.

Strawman and Ad hominem attacks...huh. Is that the best you can muster?

Is there any point comparing the North to the South? In the South they manufacture cars, build computers, run restaurants and supermarkets. They have their own capacity to build, manufacture and invent. The South has nobel prize winners, and scientists that are celebrated the world over.

I can go on and on here. To compare the North to the South, is laughable, the act of a man (or women) driven solely by emotions, rather than rational thought.

The North lags behind the South by at least 100 years.

QuotaSystem:
You missed it, I'm talking more of the kind of advanced politicking that made the likes of Daniel Kanu organise a million man march for Abacha; the kind of intelligence that makes AKK project possible, location of strategic national assets etc.

Don't hate. Appreciate.

The kind of intelligence that makes Northern Nigeria one of the poorest regions on earth? The kind of intelligence that makes Northern Nigeria home to two of the world's deadliest terror groups? The kind of intelligence that leaves Northern Nigeria with the highest number of children out of school?

There's no point trying to redefine the word. There's no intelligence at play, in anything that's going on in the North of the country right now. That's not to say things can't or won't change. But for now, Northern Nigeria is known for nothing, and produces nothing.