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BeforeJuly:
what the hell do you people want gàngàn??

somebody was jejely posting abeokuta images and you guys came with your usual bad blood and and now you're telling him to stop replying you ?

nawa oo.

I'm not a "tribalist" like you people. Fortunately for me, I was born in England, so I wasn't imparted with any of the backwardness the average Nigerian was. I showed drone video footage of abeokuta, created by natives (Yoruba) of the land. It's a common tourist destination in Nigeria. So you don't need to show oscure pictures of the place.

That other guy, is the one who started derailing the threat, by showing Google earth pictures, of poor communities in Enugu State - what does that have to do with the beauty of Abeokuta?

Salewa97:
What should I do with the hospital video you posted?

The joke is on you this is another Enugu below.

I just don’t want to derail this thread, you know me well. I have over 100 pictures of Enugu brown roofs alone.

If you are equal to the task, open a new thread and tag me. Show the beautiful part of Enugu while I show the brown roof part and let’s count it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-4iEaBzGC0

My point is, EVERYWHERE in AFRICA, has poor areas, Igboland is no exception. The real issue here, is the wealthier communities, relative to the poorer areas. Show us the beauty of your land, and stop fixating on our land. Enugu is developing, slum clearance, redevelopments are regular occurrences in our land. Show us the same in YOUR LAND.

Salewa97:
Like this right? Jokers!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly2x0a_gWXg

There are countless videos of Enugu too, like this one:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USae0ahlU1Q

No point lying to yourself, by being selective. Showing images of streets and buildings from fixed angles to make Abeokuta look better than it actually does. In terms of development, there's no competition. But Ogun is at least better than Oyo State.

Loads of videos on this city on YouTube. No need to post selective pictures:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnDCVOaIX4I&t


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOOnpXVSzcQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bwwqOexnqE

Nigeria is a football nation, which means, all the best athletes aspire to be footballers. Those who fail to make it as footballers typically go into other sports. That's why you'll find a plethora of Yoruba sportsman in other sports, as they aren't very good at football.

B3ACHFRONT:
Firstly,no one or groups of people in position of power desire to change the status quo.
There would be ethnic squabbles If Swedes,Lithuanians ,Ukrainians,Scottish, Irish,Polish are merged as one country by Zulu or Ashanti. Ukrainians have the largest population of about 45 million and would dominate the politics , then Poland with population of 35 million would agitate for republic of Poland and would include Lithuania(3 million ) and Scotland (5 million) on their secession map.
There's corruption everywhere but Massive Corruption exist in Nigeria as well as other third world shitholes due to faulty systems ,and one of those faulty system is the fact they were colonized and forcefully merged as one country.
Although each African regions as federations and ethnic nations as states or provinces is Ideal , i think that arrangement should be on their terms,instead of forcefully merged by colonial powers .

The main point of this thread is to understand why humans are drawn to ethnic affiliation . For example ,a white American may favor a white Australian than a black American ; a black American may favor a black African than an indian American, a chinese American may favor a Korean than a Latin American.etc.


This forum as example
people brag about about their ethnicity ,yet the things they are mostly bragging about are universal culture and not their traditional cultures. For example, an Hausa may brag that Hausa land has the best houses or best roads or more educated , yet those houses are modern homes that all humans aspire ;those homes are not Hausa Culture.

If that were the case then there wouldn't be succession groups in every quarter of the country. The colonial powers are not to blame for anything. Nigeria's decision to remain intact was made by Nigerians not Great Britain. Nigeria's genocide war against the Eastern region was a choice made by Nigerians. Great Britain didn't force anybodies hand nor did they fire any guns.

Nigeria remains a single entity today because of Nigerians, and the lack of political will to treat everyone fairly within the country is the fault of Nigerians.

All those big empires in Europe are now gone. Maybe Nigerians should take a leaf out of their experiences and prepare for the end. Nigeria will end, that's not in doubt.

And as far as ethnic affiliation is concerned. USA is a racist country, that's why a white American would choose a foreigner over a black American. In Europe, for the most part that isn't the case. Cultural familiarity is what binds people not race. Racists cling to people solely because of their outer appearance. But as we can see from former Yugoslavia and current Nigeria. Racial affiliation means nothing.

B3ACHFRONT:
There's so much I would love to express but can't find the right words .
I think one of the reasons the ethnic squabbles exist in Nigeria and Africa is due to a faulty system of lumping them all as one artificial unitary country.
It's just like colonizing and forcefully merging swedes,Lithuanian,Irish ,Scottish and polish in one unitary country ; obviously there'll be ethnic squabbles for scarce resources.

No one is preventing them from creating an equal and fair society. The unitary system wasn't created by the West. The pogroms in the North weren't carried out by the West, neither did the West make Nigerians carry out genocide againt their fellow Africans.

The West didn't make Nigerians rig their elections nor are they responsible for the ridiculous level of corruption. Is it the Wests fault that the Nigerian government spends more on the salaries of its politicans than its healthcare?

Is the West responsible for the affirmative action policies in Nigeria, which discourage hard work and instead promote entitled thinking? Is the West responsible for the level of hate displayed on this website? Is the West responsible for the fascism in Nigeria?

Is the West responsible for Buharis vindicative leadership style. Purposely marginalising people within his own country?

seunmsg:
Liar. The $22.5billion was recently approved and has not been borrowed.

Some of the projects FG intends to carry out with the money will benefit all Nigerians. The Lagos to Calabar coastal rail project will pass through the south east and benefit Igbo traders more than any other tribe.

The Mambilla power project upon completion will be added to the national power grid and distributed to all homes in Nigeria including the south east.

Other projects to be executed with the loan are nationalistic projects that will benefit all Nigerians.

The Lagos to Calabar coastal rail project doesn't pass through the South-East at all: http://www.weldfabtechtimes.com/news/lagos-calabar-coastal-railway-line/

The Mambilla power project has a completion date of 2030, that's 10 years from now.

None of the projects funded by the 22 billion dollar loan, will benefit the South-East.

majole:
Least represented is North_ central. South east got 5 states & has more aides than north_central.
Why the mislead headline? False information & hatred would take us no where. It's difficult for some people to post truthful articles

The picture is incorrect, read the article. SE got 15 appointments, not 25.

Observer1:
Africans are seriously becoming the scum of the earth,they tend to show their selves wherever they go.

It's just Nigerians. I never hear Tanzanians or Malians or Gambians or Congolese people doing anything unsavoury abroad.

defashan:
Bad news for Biafra and Ambazonia.

Pls Abike should not intervene here. This is a fight of two brothers. Ipob took their business acumen to Muslim country, crashed the price of beer to attract customers like they’ve always done but Ambazonia weren’t having that so they had to settle it physically.

Very bad news. Is this how Biafra will relate with Ambazonia?

Diplomatic relations gone bad from the beginning or from the beninging according to one Jacob Zuma.

Ambazonia and Biafra are both future Christian nations. Both Northern Nigerians and Northern Cameroonians are Muslims, so why would you assume they are from the South and not from the North? There are 100s of thousands, maybe up to a million Nigerians in Southern Cameroon; but you never hear of any fighting or killing there.

milaso:
My Igbo brothers have sent them to the business asylum.
The ultimate solution would have been to sell your own beer at an even lower price..or even free
Why fight them?

Learn some business ethics you dumb cameroooonians.

It's most likely Northern Nigerians and Northern Cameroonians - both are Muslims.

Twistaray:
My guy relax.
I used lagos an example as I am aware the SW igr excluding lagos still remain higher than the whole SE. So, I am wondering how that came to be?

You were so quick to quote or assumed that anambra, is that representing the whole of SE? Really?

What's imo known for, what's ebony know for,what's industries is enugu known for?

Yes, you lied because my question wasn't about a state but the whole region, SE precisely. For, what's the entirely workforce of these few companies you mentioned above, what are their workforce to equals them to the whole of SE? Like I said, you are full of assumptions you keep quoting anambra as the whole of the SE.

Here, the number of employments, unemployment, etc representing each region.
Below

See? I work with facts while you conjure figures from your head.

I deal with facts dude.



I hate oral stats. I deal with facts.

Those so-called employment stats are 3 years out of date, and they look like extrapolations.

What is your point. Why are you quoting those stats. Make your argument clear.

From what I'm seeing, it doesn't in any way refute my argument, that IGR from Lagos, is primarily due to multinationals, which is also the case with Ogun State.

Enugu IGR is actually larger than Anamabra, and that's due to improved taxation. Ebonyi is known for agriculture, being the leading producer of rice, yam, potatoes, maize, beans, and cassava in Nigeria. Abia is known for industries, along with Anambra. Enugu and Imo is hospitality, although both states also have many indigenous companies and some industries.

What exactly is Ekiti known for or Ogun State? Or Oyo? Do Yoruba people make anything? Where's your Innoson equivalent or your cement companies? Do you guys process any foods? What food brands, cosmetic companies, aftershave companies do you have? I know Lafarge Cement operates in Ogun, which is a French company, along with numerous Chinese companies. But what do you guys do, besides talk?

Twistaray:
I will quote you words for words as it seems you are either missing the point here or forget what triggered this argument in the first place ;


Below are some of your quotes ;



And when I ask you why the above case is so, or why SE igr is the lowest in the whole of the south, below is what you provided ;



Note ; the above links only didn't state SE but Anambra.

So, the question is, what happened to the rest of SE states, why is their igr low as well?



Again ;



And I was wondering as well, where you got thr above from, how you come about, and how anambra is equaled to the whole of the SE.

Most of your facts are orally base and assumption and that's why you try to prove yourself using logic without facts or figures. You've rather choose to dwell on hearsays.
And yes, Ibandan, Ondo with thr largest browntoofs (according to you) and less industries generates more igr than lmo state, Ebonyi...from the region with the most industries (according to you) where tax reduction wasn't included in your link.

You didn't write this:

Twistaray:
And when I ask you why the above case is so, or why SE igr is the lowest in the whole of the south, below is what you provided ;

You actually wrote was this:

Twistaray:
Oga , anambra is even better, goan check the number of businesses that pay taxes in lagos, it's not more than 20000. Now, tell me, how come lagos generate more igr than the whole of SE combine? And who also told you that it's every household or businesses that pay tax in SW yet they beat your alaigbo paradise, right?

Nonsense.

and I responded to that statement with this:

rdokoye:
Most of the money generated in Lagos comes from multinationals, MDAs, public sector and PAYE (which you pointed out). The fact that PAYE is relatively low, is irrelevant in the case of Lagos.

IGR doesn't mean anything. The sustainability of the state is determined by its expenditure to income, but state development is determined by the private sector. That's how all nations develop to first world status. Not from government initiatives, but from people initiatives.

That's why poverty is heavily correlated with education. Humans need education to setup businesses. Igbo people are the most educated, that's why you'll find, in Igboland, indigenous industries, manufacturing cars, plastics, foodstuff, computers, clothes etc... You won't find people in Sokoto manufacturing cars; simply because the populace lacks the knowhow.

Likewise in SW, you won't find the equivalent of Zinox anywhere in that land.

Let's keep it to the SW, excluding Lagos, which has nothing whatsoever to do the with SW.

So who's lying?

Innoson can be substantiated. So can the many products manufactured in Anambra. Zinox can be substantiated, so can Witchtech group. You can find a general list of some of the indigenous companies in and around Igboland here: https://www.nairaland.com/3926379/igbos-most-industrious-innovative-richest

You're argument that a Ekiti farmer can be better off than a computer engineer working at Zinox, or a mechanic working at Innoson group is preposterous. You can lie to yourself for the rest of your life - but it'll never make your lies true.

Twistaray:
The dude is full of contractions. . I also notice he lies a lot.

I never lie - unlike you.

Salewa97:
The bolded showed you don't even understand the meaning of PAYE.

PAYE is generated from people in the formal sector both public and private. The civil service in Lagos are taxed directly from their salaries and that is reflected in PAYE.

I understand the meaning of PAYE, I'm referring to PROPORTION. Now go back and read it again. I'm not saying PAYE is solely from multinationals, I'm saying the bulk of the money generated through PAYE is due to multinationals.

And your only argument would be, that it can't be substantiated.

Twistaray:
This is your quote ,first ;



Now, take a look at how you managed to contradict yourself, below :





And oops, you did, below ;






Note ; I did not argue the statement you made above I only pointed out that its doesn't make sense to assume that people without education are often poor.


And no, most of the igr comes form the civil servants.

Lool

This is an issue of understanding. Your inference is incorrect. Nigeria is relatively inefficient when it comes to taxation. Taxation in Anambra is less than 10%. I'm not so sure about Lagos, because the statistics are all over the place. But studies have shown that Lagos has the most efficient taxation system in the country. However, monies generated from multinationals, under corporate tax and PAYE, is where most of the states IGR comes from. This is also the case in Ogun State, which is an adjacent state. As many multinationals have opted to set up industries there, as opposed to Lagos island, due to cost and convenience. https://www.ft.com/content/9d563472-c727-11e8-86e6-19f5b7134d1c

I don't believe every single person without an education is poor, but the vast majority, yes. You'd be hard pressed to find a person well-off, who can't read or write.

That said, you're not making any argument. You're simply reacting. We weren't discussing weather or not every single illiterate was poor. We were, or rather, I was discussing the correlation between education and poverty. How can the most educated people be amongst the poorest. This defies what the entire world knows and understands about poverty.

Twistaray:
Lool

This should help you ;




Now, taken it further, you should understand what I meant by education is a choice when it comes to poverty alleviation and or the choice we made to generate wealth hence, while I quoted the formers and the market women that have little or not education yet they build houses and doing well financially.

So, yes, I repeat, when it comes to choice of wealth generation it's unwise to assume or say without education people can not generate wealth, isn't that what you said?

What point are you trying to make with that illustration. Doesn't PAYE come under multinationals? Are not individuals who work for Microsoft, Google, McDonalds, Nestlé, Lafarge Cement, MTN, Airtel, IBM etc, part of the formal sector? Most of the money generated in Lagos, comes from multinationals, and you've presented the evidence to prove it.

I never said without education people cannot generate wealth. If that were the case, then human beings would have died out a long time ago. All economies start off as agrarian, because education is not required to work on a farm. Farm work is menial, requiring mainly physical labour. However, farmers, or farm workers tend to be LOW PAID. You're not going to find very many rich farm workers.

Contrast that with someone who works at one of Innoson's car plants, as a previously proffered. Who do you think would be better off?

You don't know any farmer that's well off. So stop lying.

Twistaray:
Below, is how Lagos igr is generated.
The bolded doesn't make sense at all. Education is a choice we have thousand and thousands of ariticians in the SW who barely could read or write but are doing well financially, I know a lot of them.

We have farmers who have little or no formal education that are doing well. This is common sense and this shouldn't be coming from you because sound educated and learned.

Mind you, there are thousands of graduates out there, jobless and earns little to nothing. if we are to go by your logic then it means those market women with little or not education are poor too?

This is getting funny.

PAYE revenue is primarily from multinationals, based on the evidence that only a small fraction (3%) of people within the state are actually paying tax.

Education is a choice? What does that mean? Education is the key to poverty alleviation - that's not my opinion. Statistics all over the world, show that educated people, make more money than uneducated people. People with graduate degrees, make more money than people without graduate degrees. People with Postgraduate degrees, make more money than people with graduate degrees. These are known facts.

Are you really going to compare a farmer to Innoson? A man who owns and runs a conglomeration of companies and employs thousands of Anamabraians? Who do you think is better off, the Ekiti farmer, or the mechanic working in one of Innoson's car plants? There's a reason migration patterns are from the rural to urban communities, and not the other way round.

Lack of access to education is a major predictor of passing poverty from one generation to the next, and receiving an education is one of the top ways to achieve financial stability.

https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/poverty-education-satistics-facts/

Access to high-quality primary education and supporting child well-being is a globally-recognized solution to the cycle of poverty. This is, in part, because it also addresses many of the other issues can keep communities vulnerable.

https://www.concernusa.org/story/how-education-affects-poverty/

Guangxi, one of the major battlefields in China's poverty alleviation campaign, has been making painstaking efforts to improve education for poverty-stricken children, as schooling is believed to be the best way to empower the youngsters to lift their families out of poverty.

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-06/01/c_139104491.htm

Twistaray:
Oga , anambra is even better, goan check the number of businesses that pay taxes in lagos, it's not more than 20000. Now, tell me, how come lagos generate more igr than the whole of SE combine? And who also told you that it's every household or businesses that pay tax in SW yet they beat your alaigbo paradise, right?

Nonsense.

Most of the money generated in Lagos comes from multinationals, MDAs, public sector and PAYE (which you pointed out). The fact that PAYE is relatively low, is irrelevant in the case of Lagos.

IGR doesn't mean anything. The sustainability of the state is determined by its expenditure to income, but state development is determined by the private sector. That's how all nations develop to first world status. Not from government initiatives, but from people initiatives.

That's why poverty is heavily correlated with education. Humans need education to setup businesses. Igbo people are the most educated, that's why you'll find, in Igboland, indigenous industries, manufacturing cars, plastics, foodstuff, computers, clothes etc... You won't find people in Sokoto manufacturing cars; simply because the populace lacks the knowhow.

Likewise in SW, you won't find the equivalent of Zinox anywhere in that land.

Let's keep it to the SW, excluding Lagos, which has nothing whatsoever to do the with SW.

Benevento:
I thought everywhere in igboland is like New York times square.

Sebi una talk say nah standard buildings occupy 99% of igboland....hahahaha.

Below is Enugu from Google map, thought Brown roofs is zero in igboland..

Poverty is everywhere in Africa, in fact, it's everywhere all over the world.

It looks like any poor area you'd fine anywhere else in the world. Nothing like the slums in Ibadan or in Kano or other parts of Nigeria. You can see the homes are at least organized into plots, with streets and roads.

That aside, everyone knows what Igboland looks like, there are literally thousands of pictures of the place on Nairaland. It's the other parts of Nigeria that like to conceal their lands...for obvious reasons.

Nigeriabiafra80:
Ok
It doesn’t change the fact
Being ahead of an igbo is yoruba greatest achievement
Dickmeasuring

It's just jealousy. Yoruba people can't compete with Igbo people. There's nothing special or remarkable about Yoruba people, that's why they're never mentioned as such, by any independant or neutral bodies. If Yoruba peolpe were their own nation, they'd be no better than Benin (the current country).

Twistaray:

So, what's... igr = internally generated revenue? What's its significance, exactly?

And at the bolded, can you prove that?

Less than 10% of Anambra people pay tax: https://www.premiumtimesng.com/regional/ssouth-east/356057-only-300000-people-pay-taxes-in-anambra-commissioner.html

Obiano freezes all tax, to cushion the effects of the recession on SMEs in the state: https://nairametrics.com/2016/09/21/anambra-state-eases-tax-burden-on-grassroot-citizens/

As I said before. We actually have a private sector, where we manufacture and provide services.

Benevento:
Intellectuals indeed.

Nincompoop. Laughing at yourself.

Benevento:
Igboland is not different from North East.

The IDP camps are due to flooding, during the rainy season. Not because of terrorism or extreme poverty. I'd imagine, it'd explain that in the article.

Benevento:
What is this Daddy saying?

Go away. This thread is for intellectuals.