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Radiohead6:
They were colonised by the Portuguese as opposed to Britain to Nigeria

The Portuguese colonised Kalabari and the British colonised the rest of Nigeria. Waawu! Your history teacher try oh!

scholes0:
No, the poster has changed and edited the original title of this thread.
The original title in itself was directly insultive at Yorubas.
Very sly individual.

Oh, okay then. Had no idea.

He put his daddy's picture on his posters. Hahaha! Trying to ride into government on his old man's tailcoat, I see.

Eshinwaju:
And where is the history of the flat'heads...non existent generation of ancestors of children of hate and jealousy....

And this is where it started.

Quite unneccesary, I'll add. Given that the Original Post did not mention Yorubas at all, let alone belittling them.

Fadalud!

iSlayer:


You're trying too hard boy.

You are not even trying at all, kid.

Mr Research, Osifekunde was captured by 'Ijoh' and sold to the Itsekiri at Bobi. Given this information, it is not hard to figure out that this happened in the Western Delta (Bight of Benin) and not the Eastern Delta (Bight of Biafra). Western Ijaws were renowned pirates and often sold their captives to the neighbouring Itsekiri. Stop adding pepper and salt to history. Stick with facts or at least (where facts aren't readily accessible) the most logical hypothesis.

Read:

(Note: Osifekunde = Osifeku-ade. He was heading from Epe to the Benin River when he was captured; and not Cameroon as you falsely claim.)

lawani:
IF THEY TEST YOUR DNA AND SAY YOU ARE YORUBA WILL YOU AGREE? SO STOP TALKING DNA, IT TRANSCENDS DNA!
EVEN IN NORTH AMERICA, YOU FIND PEOPLE LIKE KAREEM ABDULJABAR WHO SAID CLEARLY THAT HIS DAD OR GRANDDAD WAS A YORUBA MAN THAT SPOKE THE LANGUAGE, HE CAME TO THE USA AS PROPERTY OF A FRENCHMAN WHO SETTLED IN THE USA. KAREEM ABDULJABAR IS SURE OF THAT BECAUSE HIS LATE DAD TOLD HIM HIS ID! SHOW ME AN IGBO MAN LIKE THAT IN NORTH AMERICA. NOT DNA IGBO O ! BUT REAL IGBO. THIS IS KAREEM ABDULJABAR. GO TO HAITI, JAMAICA, YOU FIND PEOPLE LIKE THAT WHO ARE SURE THEY ARE YORUBA DESCENT.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kareem_Abdul-Jabbar

Paul Robeson. Heard of him?

lawani:
IJAWS WERE NOT SOVEREIGN ON THE SLAVE COAsT OR BIGHT OF BENIN AND THE STORY SAID NIGER DELTA WATERS. HE WAS SOLD BY IJAWS WHO DID NOT CONTROL ANYWHERE WEST OF THE NIGER.. HE WAS CAUGHT ON A BUSINESS TRIP TO CAMEROUN ACCORDING TO ACCOUNTS.

Where in the world are you plucking your history from?!!

lawani:
Bigfrancis! You are here again? Okay, listen to yourself. If they did not allow early arrivals (as you imagined) to practice Aborisha, how come they allowed new arrivals?. Can you give an academic answer?. I have already explained to you once that even the Spaniards and Portuguese were not more advanced than the Malians who feared the Oyo! The Oyo capital was bigger than the Malian capital and the Malians were peers of the Moors who were masters of Portugal and Spain!
The Yoruba went with the Portuguese and Spaniards to the new world AS SETTLERS! You understand? I believe even before the British! Dont be putting Yoruba and Igbo on same scale my friend!.

When Oyo fell, Germans took a post in Togo mid 19th century before then all of Ashanti and etc were one federation with Oyo and Oyo would have been selling dissidents like Ijesas on the Slave coast from 15th century to late 19th century when the trade peaked. When trade peaked, traders preferred Yoruba and paid higher for Yorubas, so majority of slaves exported from even Calabar were Yorubas and many Yorubas were bought by Igbos as farmhands. They are now Osus. Gey your acts together for an Igbo renaissance, you cant change South American Yorubas to Igbos!

To back up my assertion that majority of slaves exported from Calabar were Yorubas, See an Ijebu man sold by Ijaws on the bight of Biafra

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osifekunde

So, please stop wasting your energy to attempt Yoruba reduction!. It is futile. Those people dont want to be seen as anything other than Yorubas. Very soon the Osus in your place will be claimed by the Yorubas if you are not careful!.

Bros, I dey fear you!

Malians were afraid of Oyo? Anyway, that's a matter for another day. It is this Osifekunde matter that caught my attention. Osifekunde was not sold from the Bight of Biafra. Osifekunde was captured by the Western Ijaw who plied their canoes in the western Niger delta as far as the Lagos Lagoon, and was sold from the Bight of Benin.

Osifekunde's captors were most probably the Arogbo Ijaws, who were known as great watercraft people and pirates...as suggested by this article.

https://woyingi./2009/04/21/the-return-to-arogbo-reflections-on-slavery-kinship-and-going-home/

Easy, bro.

iSlayer:



Smh.

You know, for a guy who threatens 'terrible backlashes', you are disappointingly low steam.

bigfrancis21:
Hey guys knock it off. Call it quits please.

You tell him to back off. I didn't direct any comments at him, but he feels he can come from nowhere and dish out insults at me. I be Delta boy. I like quarrel pass food, if that's what he wants.

KingOvoramwen1:
I THINK SAY NA ONLY ME NOTICE THIS FRAUD CALLED redbonesmith

Umunna gi fraud.

iSlayer:


Small boy.

Big Imp

iSlayer:
I thought I was the only one who noticed that distasteful post. I can't believe someone who says he's Igbo will say that. Such a horrible statement! If I was here at the time he posted that,trust me that issue won't slide just like that,the backlash will be terrible. I spit on you Redbonesmith!

How terrible? I would get cancer? I would lose my job? My girlfriend would dump me? My mother would die?

When people threaten fire and brimstone and 'terribleness' on anonymous websites, one can't help but feel amused. If you like gather all the spit in your mouth, patapata you will spit on your phone and your fingers. You may even give yourself a heart attack over what I clearly intended to be a baiting comment for ethnic chauvinists, like you and the other guys. Congratulations, you took the bait.

Yoruba culture is more impactful and advanced than Igbo culture. Comman beat me.

One Hausa guy in my masters' degree class in the Europe asked me what benefit a masters' degree would be to my shop business. He wasn't joking, and he wasn't being malicious. That was his earnest belief. Igbo people are all shopkeepers.

Bros, how did you come by this theory that tonality in a language is a mark of antiquity?

And even assuming that was the case, who told you Igbo is not equally a tonal language? Have you studied the Igbo language? Have you seen this thread where some knowledgeable Igbos used the tonality of the Igbo language to play a game?

https://www.nairaland.com/1398827/igbo-homophone-game

khiaa:
Are you Black American? He doesn't like BA's, he thinks he's better.

No, I am not Black American. I am Nigerian. Yea, I've seen some rather negative comments about African Americans from him. They mostly sound like the type of thing I hear on Fox News.

Don't learn Arabic if you want to communicate with Nigerians. Would be a total waste of time. (I think the '70s 'Roots' widely exaggerated the impact of Arabic among black Africans.) You'll be fine with English. If you want to learn a local language, though, the most widely spoken are Hausa, Yoruba and Igbo.

pazienza:
You rile no one up but yourself.
I have been on this forum since 2007, I have seen it all. I know your type well enough to be the least troubled by your own instability.
You had the temerity to denigrate the Igbo race by assigning an inferior position to it, before Yoruba culture, and you think your Igbophobic forays will come unnoticed and unaddressed?

You are dreamer.

The more you focus on me, the more the topic of discussion here suffers.

*sip sip*

pazienza:

Despite being smaller, their cultural impact in the New Word is DOMINANT. Yorubas are the single most culturally influential ethnic group in the Black Diaspora. By contrast, the Igbo who were sold in much larger numbers are almost culturally invisible in the New World. This is a clear indicator of who among the two had a more advanced, impactful culture. wink

Really? Can you explain in clear terms, the message you intended to pass with the faeces above, if not to denigrate the Igbo, by telling us that our culture is less impactful and less advanced to that of the Yorubas?

You are riled up. My intention (which was to anger ego-massagers) is working. Go ahead. Get rile up some more.

*settles down to tea*

pazienza:
Despite all what the OP explained as the reasons for the observed retaining Of Yoruba culture in the New world, your Igbo hating bitter soul could not allow you read and comprehend him.
Your unquenchable need to always put the Igbo down as indicated by your implication that Yoruba culture is more advanced and impactful than the Igbos, made you make this post.

Oh chi m!

Me? Put Igbo culture down? Hate Igbo culture? *scoffs* None of you have done as much for Igbos as I have. All y'all are are e-nationalists

I hate ethnic-ego-massaging posts, especially when they come from people I consider my people. And whenever I see one, I am going to come in with cynic and tongue-in-cheek comments. That's what I do. The Igbo nation have bigger issues than who was taken to America more, or who invented the word 'oyibo'.

bigfrancis21:
Thought you were done already?

You keep calling for my attention by quoting back.

Plus you've successfully ruined your own thread. No one's going to be talking slave numbers anymore. It's now going to be about Anioma.

Probz:
Yeah, it's not even about 'blindly defending the Igbo nation.' It's more about facing facts when presented with them instead of positing the same old biased subjectivity in light of all the evidence that suggests otherwise.

Me, I'm no IPOB nigga either. But I'm not one to reason with facts when presented.

My comment here which you quoted is not subjective, thank you very much. A little tongue in cheek, yes.

bigfrancis21:
He's from Illah in Delta Igboland and he prefers to be called Igala.

Do not be silly. I made it clear on that post that while my roots lie in Igalaland, I accept that we have been Igbonised and i have no problem being called Igbo. What i insist on is recounting history as it is, not as we would want it to be.

Offline I am a member of a number of pan-Igbo organisations. And I am working hand in hand with some pro-Igbo elements in Anioma to unify Igbos on both sides of the Niger. What have you done for Igbo unity besides posting ego-massaging posts on Nairaland?

Probz:
I no sabi this nigga. Some of your recent posts suggest you're an Igbo guy and you're here proclaiming Yorubas as the most dominant and influential black nation in the African diaspora. Can't you make up your mind?

So I cannot be an Igbo man who calls it as it is? Everything has to be about blindly defending the 'Igbo nation'?

Afam4eva:
But why will an Etche man say "As an Ikwerre man"? What's the relationship? Etchies are not in Ikwerre land even though there was a local government where they were lumped with some parts of Ikwerre land. But that is an artificial creation. An Etche man will say "As an Etche man" or "As a Rivers Man". If he is port-hacourt brought up, he can say "As a Port-hacourt boy" just like anyone frlm any part of the country can lay claim to port-hacourt.

You cannot understand my post which you quoted if you don't know the context in which I made that post.

Afam4eva:
I don't think i have ever come across any Igbo person, no matter how ignorant that has called Efik Igbo. Even Igboid tribes such as Ekpeye and some places where some form of Igbo is spoken in Rivers state (save for Ikwerre, Etche, Egbema, Ndoni) have been called Igbo. I don't really know what to make of this. Does everyone now one to use Igbos to shine or what?

It is actually some Yorubas and Northerners who call Ibibio-Efiks Igbos. To some Yoruba people, anything beyond Edo is Igbo. No Igbo person as far as I know has ever done that.

Everyone knows Yorubas were not sold in large numbers until the Yoruba Wars of the 19th century which followed the collapse of imperial Oyo. No news there.

Despite being smaller, their cultural impact in the New Word is DOMINANT. Yorubas are the single most culturally influential ethnic group in the Black Diaspora. By contrast, the Igbo who were sold in much larger numbers are almost culturally invisible in the New World. This is a clear indicator of who among the two had a more advanced, impactful culture.

Meanwhile, I still don't understand why people compare slave numbers as if being enslaved in large numbers is anything to be proud of.

Olu317:
YOU TRIED THOUGH YORUBA IS IN NIGER STATE AND ARE IN MORE THAN THIRTY(30+) COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD....FOR EXAMPLE CAMEROON

Yorubas are in Cameroon? As in, indigenous Yorubas in Cameroon - not immigrants.