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gmolen: I am a Christian not because i simply want to gain heaven at the end, but because being a true Christian (i.e., living like Christ and not just by being a member of a church) is the best life to live. As a true Christian, u learn not to be anxious about anything, ur are at peace with ur self and with others, u re contented with wht u re have, u live a humble and quiet life, u shun a manner of wickedness most people are involved in with its asociated negative consequencies. etc. Infact, u live life to the fullest and enjoy internal peace and joy most people lack. Any act of worship a true Christian renders to God be it prayer, fasting, tithe/offering etc are done voluntarily in response to God's love. So, even if there was no heaven, i would stil choose to be a Christian because by so doing, i have nothing to loose, but everything to gain in living a better life here on earth.

Sagamite: Brilliant questions I am sure their medieval illiterates living in an era of harshness did not think about when they were fantasing about some great land where the streets flow with honey.

Let me add a fifth question:

5) Are many of you going to be so grateful and pleased to continue worshipping your God for eternity despite the suffering he caused for some few on Earth and the fact he would throw some of your nice family and friends in hell for some sin they did not have the time to ask for forgiveness for, while some evil person can get deliverance by asking just before he died? Would you love heaven that much living with such evil people and injustice while your own close ones are burning in extreme heat for eternity due to the judgement of your "Most Merciful"?

I love the fantasy of these illiterate medieval men.

At least, by their moronic fantasy logic, I have a slight chance. I can fornicate and enjoy my life and if I am "lucky" to be in a situation like the Titanic where I face death and know I might die, I can simple go on my knees and ask for forgiveness and take Jesu Omo Baba Christi as my Lord and saviour, and 'Viola!', I am saved and going straight to heaven.

Like in Monopoly, the card would read: "Go directly to heaven. Do not pass strip joint, do not get a last shagg from your chics".

It is like Deal or No Deal, I have beaten the Banker Jehovah in the game.

Simpleton junk!

Ayomivic: Christians believed in life after death, that is the reason we are struggling to make heaven.Christians are travellers in this world,we have a place in focus. that place is our gain of being christian.


You as an atheist what do you stand to gain for being an atheist ?

Mad Cow: Lol...

Ima kam si Eme... Obana ram isi, I have no control.. Biko let Rochas avoid amanbra state for his own safety.. He may never survive it.

ooman: Am not a satanist, am just trying to fight for the right of everyone to live their life completely free.

ooman: [/b]

The meaning of contention according to encarta dictionary is :assertion in argument: an opinion or claim stated in the course of an argument
Microsoft® Encarta® 2009. © 1993-2008 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

Now, based on this definition, a contention has been rendered useless in itself if it is based on any presuppositions. Therefore, the "bone of contention" is truly based on whether some people use some sacred text OR present evidences.
If people continue to base their argument on what a book says and forget about what the evidence is really saying, then there is a problem.

There cannot be a rational deductive reasoning once there is presupposition. That is how bad presuppositions are.

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I dont believe in the devil, but i think that people have all right to worship and believe whomever. Christians and Muslims behave as if the word "religion" only qualifies them, what about the satanists and those who worship Ifa, Sango etc.

Also, i will advice you the read the Satanic Bible, it contains the best moral code possible.

If most people become satanists than christians and muslims, based on what is written in the satanic bible, then everyone will progress and science will also witness more major discoveries. The religion of Lucifer gives COMPLETE FREEDOM, which is wanting in Christianity and Islam.

Mad Cow: Mr. Rhymz....

I have seen you too..

So that people will not call me mad, I will have mercy on you for now. After all, last time I checked, you are not even from Imo State. However, ejim afa Alusi obuna I na Efe ayo gi, akpasu na'm iwe ozo na thread a. Biko!

Thank you...

Logicboy03: https://www.nairaland.com/1195141/catholics-make-best-atheists-because

ooman3: nice post you put up.

actually, i think that it is the religious that are arguing based on what a books says and not based on what is happening presently in the world around us. If you read through most of the argument placed by the religious of your kind, you will notice that their arguments is always based on what your Gods want or does not want. This has prevented most religious people from actually accepting scientific facts and simple logic.

Rational thinking is impaired when there is a presupposition, think about that

striktlymi: Having difficulty comprehending?

ijawkid: And who the hell said it was GOD that was beaten black and blue by jacob??.......

ijawkid: And who the hell said it was GOD that was beaten black and blue by jacob??.......

striktlymi: I am really disappointed to say the least!

I was hopeful that I would get enough evidence to back up my thread but I had no idea it would come this soon. This is the very reason why Nigeria is still at the bottom of the food chain amongst the committee of Nations.

This our "Us vs them" way of thinking is really a 'pitiable dismal pismal'. One would deny what is true because of some ego or a longing to be seen as a champion of what exactly? I thought this is what some Atheists fight against? What has happened to the pursuit of knowledge?..Oh I get it...we only pursue it when it feeds our selfish interests?

ooman tried to proffer plausible reasons for the backwardness of the 'black man', he need not look any further...this is the reason: 'MENTAL SLAVERY'!!!

striktlymi: Don't tell me you do not know that there is no such word as "or rather" in English.

This is not the thread to teach English please! Go and verify how "or" is used in any sentence.

I did not set out to talk about the use of "or", nokia forced my hand when one his posts suggested that he was trying to deny a statement he made himself. The use of "rather" does not in any way undermine the fact that one can choose to call him an Atheist.

Mistakes are bound to be made, let's just forget this ish and move forward!

Back to topic!

kmcutez: The word you should be looking at is "or rather" not just "or". "or rather" here means "or more exactly; or more accurately". So you will have to take the agnostic, not the atheist. example, he is my teacher, or rather he was my teacher. in this sentence he is trying to be more accurate.

striktlymi: Good morning,

I have seen very many arguments put forth by some Atheists that would make you stop dead in your tracks and THINK!!! The first thoughts that come to mind for me is: This guy is very smart!..The argument is devoid from any manner of fallacy, the presentation is uptight and the general feel of the argument makes so much sense even if I do not necessarily agree with the individual's perspective.

This sadly is the complete opposite of some arguments presented by some Atheists here in this section. I have seen so many arguments that make no sense in the very least and the sad reality is that the individual Atheist who presented the argument leaves feeling very smart and accomplished...I can't help but wonder how the individual cannot see the big question mark on his or her ability to exert him or herself intellectually.

I do understand that quite a lot of my brethren argue out of emotions and frankly some, if not most of the arguments put forth are a direct result of what they have been taught from childhood which they find difficult to shake cause it's all they know and have been made to believe; but to see an Atheist argue like these my brethren is really appalling cause of the Atheist claim of logic, knowledge and an ability to apply him or herself intellectually.

The truth is, I have seen some Atheists argue with very sound logic, reason and one can't help but say that this Atheist is a knowledgeable nairalander but the silly arguments I have seen is something to be worried about. There is a need for every individual (Religious or irreligious)to read through his or her post and ask him or herself whether it makes sense before posting, otherwise we will just see another individual arguing with his emotions rather than with his head.

Thank you!

striktlymi: Are you sure you know what this thread is about?

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CyberG: In politics, you cannot expect leadership to just be giving to you. The mindset that the presidency "should be given" to you is wrong, people aspiring to leadership plan it consisitently over a period of time, start from more junior positions and show that you can lead 160 M in 36 states after showing what you can do at a lower level but then, you must still convince the electorate and win their votes and support to help you win. They will just NOT give it to you. Again like I said before, objectively speaking, you cannot ask the leaders/iniators of the merger to work for 4+ years, and then just put it up to an untested person - it is totally against the grain of common sense and principle. Buhari started all over again after being betrayed and schemed out of ANPP to win 12 states, the ACN started over again after AD was sabotaged from 6 states to 1 state and then came back stronger with ACN now controlling 6 states and doing much better than ever before, would you rather put the combo of these 2 down to elevate another party which has 1 leg in 1 leg out, divided, 1.5 largely unproven governors with 1 not being part of the coalition?

I will tell you what I think: let the merger stick to principle and present their best candidate with the most potential to win (they will never win all of Nigeria anyway, if they are not easterners, they will never win votes in the east anyway, the religious and ethnic bigots will never vote for them anyway, retardeen GEJ will still try to rig anyway, etc) and even if they lose, they and most honest, principled Nigerians will be satisfied with the knowledge that they put in their best effort and they will have another chance in a few years - but they must stick to honest, common sense principles and it will only be a matter of when not if. Personally, Nigerians can vote in any type of government they like just like I will vote mine over here and afterwards, live with our decisions.

P.S: Just read your last post. Well, it's all good. Let's just wait and see what happens because in Nigerian politics, anything can happen really!

CyberG: If you come with a stick, I will retaliate with bullets. When anyone makes a statement I find offensive, I will respond but here, we are just airing individual opinions. Look, you need to be able to separate sentiments from factual reality. FACT: I don't have a party, I can pity people in Nigeria but whatever you do or don't affect me directly. FACT: BUHARI remains a strong force, age NOTWITHSTANDING, he delivered virtually all the states in the NORTH without bribing with billions or rigging, that is reality, not sentiments. You can. It discount that contribution to a joint effort. FACT: Asides the religious/tribal bigots who don't like him because he is a northerner/Muslim and will NEVER like him regardless of his proven records beyond most of possible options, he remains a via me candidate, very steady hand, principled, disciplined and will not condone corruption - Nigeria's biggest problem today. FACT: ACN-CPC have far (far) more experience and provided leadership to create the spark that brought APC to life. If you join a company as an associate, you cannot realistically expect the company leadership to be handed to you - you must earn your way up to become a principal partner.

FACT: PDP governors in cahoots with Jonathan, billions of naira to buy the people, the police