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[quote author=Mr_Anony]The point you miss being that the reason Jesus came was to provide an escape for those who were definitely heading towards eternal torture. If those people reject the escape route He has provided, then it is not His fault. Jesus will never force anyone out of hell and into heaven against their will[/quote]do you mind telling us this escape route?
Did he have to be beaten, tortured and murdered by thesame people he was supposed to show this escape route. Whose plan was it? God's or Bros J?

[quote author=kj_hova]The most graphic display of "god" is this meatpie which is invisible yet speaks & act! Can see all things yet Adam&Eve can hide from him. Omnipotent yet regrets in his "heart" dat he made man. All powerful yet has been failing thus far in his beef with "satan". Loving & kind yet demands the blood of his own "son" as prerequisite to grant grace to his creatures. Surely, the judeo-christian/islamic god is the most barbaric, brutish, pestilential, racist, xenophobic, petty, unaccomodating god in all imagined cosmos![/quote]You could not have said any better. What kind of loving father demands for the blood of his son as atonement of sin for his own creation? What kind of all powerful God find it so difficult to get rid of Satan that is supposed to be in competition with him for the human soul abi na spirit? What kind of all knowing God as such a dumb question as: Adam where art thou, have you eaten of the forbidden fruit? Who told thou that thou are naked. Very foolish claims that makes sense only to Christian Robots.

[quote author=inspiredbyGOD:.]And once again, Catholics were not the sole compilers of the bible. Churches worldwide all had a say in the compilation.[/quote]it is either you are a barefaced lier or you lack the common sense and knowledge of the bible's historicity. When they say the early church, which church do you think is being referred to? Evangelicals abi na Anglicans. . Lol. . The Early Church and fathers was the Roman Catholic Church and its many Bishops with dissenting views, some accepted the Christ story and some didn't. Go and read about the Niceen Creed to understand fully well who compiled the bible. The Empiror Constantine who was a Pagan, A mithra worshipper because of politics converted into christianity, made it a state religion and infused all manner of hellenistic pegan concept in it, including the believing in the death and ressurection of Jesus as atonement of sin, a concept obviously borrowed from the worship of the sun-God. That's why till this day, many Jewish will always have problem with the concept of Jesus Christ, his death, ressurection or existence. They know Jesus is far from the messiah of their tora and in actuality never existed. The christian purposely set the story to make the jews look bad hence, hence the wide anti-semitism of jewish people for killing their God.

truthislight: the jews also have their own history outside the bible.

Josephuse and other historians also wrote about the apostles.

What do you really have in mind?

which apostles exactly?

Godspikin: Atheism, denying the existence of God is the greatest form of ignorance.

Spiritual things are not quantified by sight or physical attributes that most atheist would want to use to understand the existence of God.

I'll need an atheist to explain by means of reasoning or any of your excuse for being ignorant to explain the science behind a man who was born crippled being healed and having his feet restored. I am not talking about television miracles I am talking live miracles not staged ones cos I know u will say something along that line.
God is unexplainable by your reasoning crap, just like you can not see air, heat, cold but you can feel them. You just can't measure God with science or reasoning.

I thought we had gone past this child way of reasoning.

scarred: So would I be right in assuming that you are now devoid of any sort of belief. Would I also be correct in assuming that you gained this 'Hindsight, knowledge and maturity' from discussions on this Thread?

You must be mistaken me for one wanna-be NL Kid. Long before I joined NL I have always had problems reconciling biblical stories with historical facts and logic. I have even had problems with youth leaders in my parish over the way I question the irrationality of some of the church doctrines. I once got into trouble for openly condemning the worship of Mary and other statues in school-I went to a catholic school by the way, St Finbarr's College Akoka. So I did not start anything here I only found out I could openly discuss these issues here without risking mob attack and lynching from anyone like I have had to experience many times even as recent as during my Service year. I stayed in family house NACC but had serious problem over religious beliefs and doctrines with almost everyone else since they were all die hard catholics. I am not your average follow follow commentator here. You can even look up threads that I have created in the past on NL is religious issues, they are not your usual let's fight christian threads. I am not into that but I will use every opportunity I have here to puncture the christian claim to truth and eternity.
I have read both christian history from the church and outside the church to know better and argue from an informed point. I don't believe in mental restriction in the name of faith, that is a boring excuse to hide the truth. Besides, I never said I was an atheist, I just don't believe the christian bullcrap and all most all other religious hogwash. Organized religion is not my thing. Stop assuming, if you have questions you wanna ask me go ahead.

scarred: Your premise has no weight neither is your argument colorable. To stand behind such a statement you must first prove that which you have set out to defend. You must show evidence of the Christians (that you know) that have become Atheists in the Religion Section. Your talking points are void and do not merit individual scrutiny unless you can show NOT JUST a pattern of Christians on this Section becoming Atheists, but you must also demonstrate that the reason they have done so are the reasons that you've enunciated.

In the absence of the above all you've set out to do is honour your own intellect, but you would not have succeeded in setting up any meaningful discourse, which I think should be the point.

Well, I was a Christian or at least before my peers and family members I am a christian but with the benefits of hindsight, knowledge and maturity, I have come to the conclusion that Christianity just like every other religion was man's creation. I am well versed with the christian religion so I don't see what you are going to tell me about that I have not heard or read about it. I am more concerned with the fact that in the face of serioius academic and historical scrutiny, the bible is always exposed as just another invented compilation from men who originally were not even christians but were influence by the prevalent pegan beliefs of their time. It is disturbing that a majority of christians have very vague knowledge of the historicity of the bible and the characters in it.

Miss Ope: So u actually believe God ask dem to do those things.....i see u're beginning to believe in God subconsciously...Hurray.

Let me answer u correctly...God was trying to tempt Abram.... We all know @ d end ABRAM didnt kill Issac..
JEPHTAH.... CONFESSED WITH HIS MOUTH DAT HE'LL DO...SO he DID IT @ WILL...
Yes...David, samson had to fight and kill under God's authority cos @ dat time the people were rebellious just like d majority of u atheist....
But dat was in d past...,things av changed ..new rules av being made...
Jesus has payed the price.......and the rest is history......hope u understand.

You obviously know little about the bible. All you have been doing in your post is trying to rationalize your need to believe in sth. You don't even use biblical quotations to back up your arguments. Are you not confident of your holy book or is it that your knowledge of it is just vague.

I do not agree with your submissions about the bible in no:5
The bible is not taken seriously by Atheists mostly because it largely contains fabricated hogwash with dizzying contradictions that defiles common sense.

It has been demonstrated with well documented citations and references from respected sources, historians, history books, commentaries from experts in egyptology, astrotheology, Roman and Greek Pagan mythologies, that Jesus Christ the centre piece of the Christian faith in a "God" was a piously created fabled hogwash Myth created by early Church fathers and christian historians, drawing copiously from the works of other Godmen myths like Krishna, Horus, Mithra and so on. He was no different, he belongs in thesame category as other myths before him; unprovable hogwash.
That is why the bible is hard to defend or used as a basis to counter any argument about the christian faith. There is too much alteration and Pius fraud.

onetrack: Don't be so quick to say that. I am living in a Muslim country and I spend a bit of time on one of their forums showing them the fallacies related to Islam. What is excellent to see is that I'm no longer the lonely atheist over there. The apostates have been showing themselves recently in larger numbers, like here on nairaland. Now every religious post is subject to challenge on that site

you mind posting a link to that site. . .i have a lot I want to tell the murderous Mo

On a more serious note, I feel my Anambra Brothers are playing politics of emotions.
You are all quick to point to how Okorocha has sold APGA but conveniently fail to mention that it has already been sold to the PDP by Obi.
Let us stop acting like Obi is a saint, it is obvious that he has no plan to move APGA forward besides playing partner with PDP. It is obvious that he will join the PDP once his tenure ends and prolly seek for senatorial position. To say such plan is not selfish in itself is overlooking the truth. Both men are ambitious and understand that APGA is dying a slow but surely death, they are both ambitious and selfish. Nobody should hang Rochas for being swift with his plans.
On the side note, JEG has not realy done anything tangible or out of the ordinary for Igbos.
I still support Rochas's move to an extent as it is expedient that we Igbos do not put our eggs in our basket.

Mad Cow: You this Owerri Girl....

Oya go to Ibari Ogwa and go and drink 2 crates of Star as una people dey do.. This gist is for Ndi Ichies..

lol. . . . You dey craze o

onitshaigbo: I happen to deal with Chinese merchants on a regular basis here. I guess you don't mind being mistreated and exploited by your Chinese boss, you self-hating scum. Let's talk about facts and perceptions, despite shiny skyscrapers and modern cities you can find on the internet about China, the fact is that the income is very unequally distributed (more so than Nigeria! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:GINI_retouched_legend.gif), so that only a tiny aristocratic minority have the privilege of enjoying them. The average peasant worker in China is no better off than the average Nigerian. Compared with China, Nigeria has much more social mobility. Nigeria is the land of opportunity even despite our corrupt government.

If only we have regular power supply, Nigeria would be a much better place to live. And with God's grace we are getting it. Power has improved in the past few years.

hahahahah. . . I just realized I shouldn't be arguing with you, your I.Q is below average, I was hoping you would at some point up the game and argue intelligently with facts and not just stewpid uninformed personal opinions borne out of hatred and paranoia.
Goodluck with your dumb arguments, let me know when get a little intelligence

onitshaigbo: I'm not condemning anyone. It's you who seem to be self-hating, and who seem to suggest that all non-Nigerians have it better. You've never been to China, you've never interacted with Chinese, so how do you know they have it better than us? I tell you with personal experience that their society is much more dysfunctional. You can tell something is seriously wrong with their society when they make such defective products to sell here in Nigeria. Would people who have dignity and pride in themselves manufacture and sell such useless junk? The Chinese government is far more oppressive and corrupt than Nigeria. They may have a slightly better standard of life on average than Nigerians, but that was not always true. I suggest that you stop looking down on Nigeria.

Is this what this is all about? An inferiority complex on your part about being Nigerian? Since Nigerians are more religious than others, you think that being religious is bad. Before you stop denying God, I suggest you first stop hating yourself and stop looking down on Nigerians.

My boss is Chinese, I have had way more interactions with Asians and middle esterners than you can ever have.
Opinions are like butt-holes, everyone has one but facts are sacred and sacrosanct. Facts don't lie, I am sure you can access google on your device, go and check and compare Nigeria's standard of living and that of the chinese and see how dumb you sound. The rest of your post is not worth any serious response as they are obviously conjectural crap of a short-sighted local dude that has never been anywhere besides the limits of Nigeria.

rhymz: 1. MOSES' SWIFT PERSONALITY NUM 12:3 "Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the fact of the earth." NUM 31:14, 17 &18 "And Moses was wroth...And Moses said unto them, "Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman, ... But all the women children ... keep alive for yourselves." lol. . Wow, the meekest Man on earth gave these orders 2. JESUS' FIRST SERMON WAS IT ON THE PLAIN OR MOUNTAIN? MAT 5:1,2 "And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him: And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying...." LUK 6:17,20 "And he came down with them, and stood in the plain, and the company of his disciples, and a great multitude of people...came to hear him.. And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples and said..." 3. JESUS' LAST WORDS ON THE CROSS MAT 27:46,50 "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost." LUK 23:46 "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost." JOHN 19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost." 4. HOW MANY TIMES DID THE rooster CROW? MARK14:72 And the second time the rooster crew. And Peter called to mind the word that Jesus said unto him, Before the rooster crow twice, thou shalt deny me thrice. And when he thought thereon, he wept. MAT 26:74 Then began he to curse and to swear, saying, I know not the man. And immediately the rooster crew. MAT 26:75 And Peter remembered the word of Jesus, which said unto him, Before the rooster crow, thou shalt deny me thrice. And he went out, and wept bitterly. LUK 22:60 And Peter said, Man, I know not what thou sayest. And immediately, while he yet spake, the rooster crew. LUK 22:61 And the Lord turned, and looked upon Peter. And Peter remembered the word of the Lord, how he had said unto him, Before the rooster crow, thou shalt deny me thrice. JOH 13:38 Jesus answered him, Wilt thou lay down thy life for my sake? Verily, verily, I say unto thee, The rooster shall not crow, still thou hast denied me thrice. JOH 18:27 Peter then denied again: and immediately the rooster crew 5. WHOM DIDI THEY SEE AT THE TOMB? MAT 28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it. MAT 28:3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow: MAT 28:4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men. MAT 28:5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified. MAR 16:5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted. LUK 24:4 And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments JOH 20:12 And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain. God change? 6. YEARS OF FAMINE II SAMUEL 24:13: So God came to David, and told him, and said unto him, shall SEVEN YEARS OF FAMINE come unto thee in thy land? or will thou flee three months before thine enemies, while they pursue. thee? I CHRONICLES 21:11 SO God came to David, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Choose thee. Either THREE YEARS OF FAMINE or three months to be destroyed before thy foes, while that the sword of thine enemies overtaketh thee; Moved David to anger? II SAMUEL 24 And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah. I CHRONICLES 21 And SATAN stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel. 7. DID THOSE WITH SAUL/PAUL HEAR A VOICE AT HIS CONVERSION? ACT 9:7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man. ACT 22:9 And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me. 8. HOW EXACTLY DID JUDAS DIE? MAT 27:5 "And he cast down the pieces of silver into the temple and departed, and went out and hanged himself." ACT 1:18 "And falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all of his bowels gushed out." 9. ASCENDING TO HEAVEN 2KI 2:11 "And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." JOH 3:13 "No man hath ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven, ... 10. WHO MOVED DAVID AGAINST ISREAL? II SAMUEL 24 And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah. I CHRONICLES 21 And SATAN stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel. 11. THE SINS OF THE FATHER ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities. DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

What can be more confusing and contradictory than these

1. MOSES' SWIFT PERSONALITY NUM 12:3 "Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the fact of the earth." NUM 31:14, 17 &18 "And Moses was wroth...And Moses said unto them, "Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman, ... But all the women children ... keep alive for yourselves." lol. . Wow, the meekest Man on earth gave these orders 2. JESUS' FIRST SERMON WAS IT ON THE PLAIN OR MOUNTAIN? MAT 5:1,2 "And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him: And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying...." LUK 6:17,20 "And he came down with them, and stood in the plain, and the company of his disciples, and a great multitude of people...came to hear him.. And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples and said..." 3. JESUS' LAST WORDS ON THE CROSS MAT 27:46,50 "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost." LUK 23:46 "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost." JOHN 19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost." 4. HOW MANY TIMES DID THE rooster CROW? MARK14:72 And the second time the rooster crew. And Peter called to mind the word that Jesus said unto him, Before the rooster crow twice, thou shalt deny me thrice. And when he thought thereon, he wept. MAT 26:74 Then began he to curse and to swear, saying, I know not the man. And immediately the rooster crew. MAT 26:75 And Peter remembered the word of Jesus, which said unto him, Before the rooster crow, thou shalt deny me thrice. And he went out, and wept bitterly. LUK 22:60 And Peter said, Man, I know not what thou sayest. And immediately, while he yet spake, the rooster crew. LUK 22:61 And the Lord turned, and looked upon Peter. And Peter remembered the word of the Lord, how he had said unto him, Before the rooster crow, thou shalt deny me thrice. JOH 13:38 Jesus answered him, Wilt thou lay down thy life for my sake? Verily, verily, I say unto thee, The rooster shall not crow, still thou hast denied me thrice. JOH 18:27 Peter then denied again: and immediately the rooster crew 5. WHOM DIDI THEY SEE AT THE TOMB? MAT 28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it. MAT 28:3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow: MAT 28:4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men. MAT 28:5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified. MAR 16:5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted. LUK 24:4 And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments JOH 20:12 And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain. God change? 6. YEARS OF FAMINE II SAMUEL 24:13: So God came to David, and told him, and said unto him, shall SEVEN YEARS OF FAMINE come unto thee in thy land? or will thou flee three months before thine enemies, while they pursue. thee? I CHRONICLES 21:11 SO God came to David, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Choose thee. Either THREE YEARS OF FAMINE or three months to be destroyed before thy foes, while that the sword of thine enemies overtaketh thee; Moved David to anger? II SAMUEL 24 And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah. I CHRONICLES 21 And SATAN stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel. 7. DID THOSE WITH SAUL/PAUL HEAR A VOICE AT HIS CONVERSION? ACT 9:7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man. ACT 22:9 And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me. 8. HOW EXACTLY DID JUDAS DIE? MAT 27:5 "And he cast down the pieces of silver into the temple and departed, and went out and hanged himself." ACT 1:18 "And falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all of his bowels gushed out." 9. ASCENDING TO HEAVEN 2KI 2:11 "And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." JOH 3:13 "No man hath ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven, ... 10. WHO MOVED DAVID AGAINST ISREAL? II SAMUEL 24 And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah. I CHRONICLES 21 And SATAN stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel. 11. THE SINS OF THE FATHER ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities. DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

onitshaigbo: Maybe you do, but I think most Nigerians look down on chincos because all they do is sell fake goods and have no sense of being human in their lives. They live like insects or robots without a soul, slaving away for money, and having nothing else to live for. They don't even care about the millions of poor chincos living in their own country even if they themselves get rich. Chincos and Indians are the most uncharitable people in the world. They have no sense of community and compassion for each other.



Again, we cannot comprehend God's plan. We can't act like we can understand why there are so much suffering and inequality. I'm fine just having faith. Life without faith or hope is not worth living. But that doesn't mean that I wouldn't do something about poverty or help people.

I can't rule out that some pastors are corrupt, but if they can bring people to have hope and optimism in their lives, then maybe they deserve the blessing that God has given them.

you are a typical example of how religion can misinform, cause hatred and intolerance amongst people. See how quick you condemn the chinese all because they don't share your senile beliefs. So christian of you to condemn a whole race for the sins of a few. I better in your deluded mind you are morally and religiously better than the chinese. But you fail to understand that in order to guage that, you have to first look at the values of the society that you are in. I bet an average Chinese person has a way better standard of life than an average Nigerian, why is that, this because an average Chinese person does not think of himself alone but the generality of the chinese society, that is why they will organize themselves, toil and work, set laws to guide their existence and with the gains, they make life better, easier and enjoyable to live compare that to Nigeria and see how you sound like a bleeping person with dishonesty written all over your forehead. You type will kill anyone that does not agree with him and feel justified with himself.
You can't seem to comprehend your god's plan because there is no plan and he is nowhere exactly. You only comprehend something that exist not a non-entity like your God.

onitshaigbo: How do you expect to debate someone who is resorting to ad hominem attacks? Besides calling me a person, do you have any real points?

I enjoy the blessings of Nigeria's bounty everyday; the people who are employed by the resource industry in turn patronize my business.

The Chinese are all about making money, they have no other purpose in life. They are infecting us with their cynical view of life. Our people are hustling to get by, they do it because money is their god and they don't know what else is there in life.

Also, even if they have done something good for Naija, it is not their intention, but it was the grand design of the Almighty God.

Like for real, can you be any stewpidier than this? Stop making this lame attempt biko, you sound like an utter dumb ar$s illiterate.
Nigeria will do anything to be like the chinese. Where da Bleep is Jesus when innocent childrien are dying painful death, your pastor Adeboye, OLEdEpo, Samuel, Muoka and co living like dons what have they contributed in the lives of an average starving Nigeria child. All they do show up when the money counts and collect 10%, when time get rough they tell you to eat Jesus while they eat real food and live their dream like in reality. Aint you tired of being stoopid?

Miss Ope: Hmmmm ....... If only u were an Idealist .... U wuld know dere's God....but becos u're a REALIST ...u can never ever believe until u see.... God is a Spirit...dats y u can see him...
Each time u sleep and dream u find ur self wondering else where while ur physical body remains on bed....dat's wat u call a spirit...
God is not physical he's spiritual

What is your definition of a soul and spirit?
I do not believe in such entities, what is referred to as soul and spirit are a state of consciousness occassioned by the chemical processes that goes on in the brain. Do you know you can take certain drugs that can induce such state that people like you call soul or spirit. Take halucinogen drugs and you would start seeing things, probably another level of consciousness in the brain or mind caused by the drugs. Science is gaining ground explaining most of these things that medieval scribes seem to explain as mystical jargons of illogical proportion.
You see where you christians always get it wrong, at some point God is force, at another he is a spirit or a ghost, he keeps changing from one form to another like some entity with a kind of inferiority complex about his state.
Now explain to me the relationship of God, Holy Ghost and Jesus. They are all gods i guess.

Damn, Diya is the most lilly-livered General ever plus he is got a lying tongue.
I agree the Lawyer was not professional at all in the way he cross-examined the general, the general himself did not comport himself well, cutting in and trying to explain when he is not asked any questions.
See the way he denied bluntly that he did not kneel down before Abacha and cried like a baby as Abacha gave him tissue napkings to wipe his spineless tears.
The moment the lawyer hinted of Abacha's possibility of appearing at the commission, see how scared he became. When the lawyer offered to play the video tape to show that he cried and beg Abacha, he became agitated and conjuring all sorts of excuses for it not to be played even his lawyer could see the palpable fear and worries in his face.
Imagine a 2nd in command saying the reason he did not report the coup His boss was because if he did, the junior coleague that confided in him could come back and kill him, imagine such clap-trap from a supposed general.
Nigerian Millitary, truly is a joke. With poo$Sies like Diya wearing Uniforms and parading as Army general who can feel safe. What an excuse for a general. He couldn't even tell the truth even though the commission did not have the rights to jail him or do make him lose his freedom yet he felt the need to lie. What a Douche.

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I sense jealousy here. You seem to grudgingly hold the view that even though a few of the so-called atheists are not realy smart, most of them are smart regardless and realy have valid arguments that even christian and other religious proponents can't seem to answer conveniently without resorting to tiring spiritual clap-traps as explanations.
Is not like being a christian or of any religious order makes you any smarter than those who choose not to conform or belong to such beliefs or systems of thoughts.

ffo: MY HEART BLEEDS AND I FEEL SORRY FOR THESE ATHEIST (shakes my head). I JUST ASKED "HOW CAN SOMEBODY SO MUCH GIVE HIS SOUL TO THE DEVIL AND WAKE ONE DAY TO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS NO GOD?" EVERY THING THAT IS HAPPENING POINTS TO THE THE EXISTENCE OF GOD.

btw, why is NL promoting atheism these days?

keep your pity state to yourself you will be needing it more.

Miss Ope: Even when u get a proof of God's existence.... sagamite,, logic boy and co..... Can never ever change.

Oh Dear, I realy will like to see you show us some concrete proof for real. I am all open for discussions and knowledge. We could even start by looking into the bible if you so please, I am all ears and willing to change so long as there is concrete proof and evidence with facts and not just mere beliefs.

Sagamite: The just follow like mumu the folklores of medieval people who lived in barbaric times and hence their writing vision is restricted to barbarity and reflected in a God they conjured. Then these followers will then have the audacity and defiance to claim some enlightenment.

Let me give you another example.

The Pope and cardinals spend all day and many nights exchanging messages like MTN special package with heaven, and their God did not warn them that poor kids in their care were being molested and it would cause them trouble?

When they found out, after all their prayers, there God did not warn them not to cover it up?

They really speak to God gan.

On what tariff?

on the side note. . . I heard the Pope stumbled on some scientific facts that greatly threatened his beliefs and decided to call it quit. . .lol

Sagamite: The just follow like mumu the folklores of medieval people who lived in barbaric times and hence their writing vision is restricted to barbarity and reflected in a God they conjured. Then these followers will then have the audacity and defiance to claim some enlightenment.

Let me give you another example.

The Pope and cardinals spend all day and many nights exchanging messages like MTN special package with heaven, and their God did not warn them that poor kids in their care were being molested and it would cause them trouble?

When they found out, after all their prayers, there God did not warn them not to cover it up?

They really speak to God gan.

On what tariff?

per second billing or family and friends package. . .lol

[quote author=Ejiné]Yes... Put a ring on it first [/quote]Ejine biko help me tell this my sister o. . .him and charly have been playing this love game for quite a while now, it is only proper to suggest that he puts a ring on it na. . .lol

londoner: @igbobarbie^^^^^ see what I mean......ego, ego, ego......lol

They are the ones crying when a naija woman choses a non Nigerian.

Most of us, are happy to see people happy....period.

Not them tho....everything na fight....lol

hahahahahha. . . Londoner no be so na. me I happy for you well well o, I just want charly to put a ring on it that's all.

Sagamite: A psycho God that killed his own son brutally so as to keep others he created (and can easily control through other sensible means, if he desired) in a bondage pact.

That is the God they want to restrict their life for so they can go and spend eternity worshipping?

And they feel they are the smart ones?

Medieval junk!

You know I have always asked christian this same question even here on NL; what is the rationale for an Omnipotent God sending his only begotten son to be gruesomly murdered by beings who in the first place, his father is angry with and is threatening fire and brimstone to destroy, but then promises to be calm if Jesus reconcile them to him by being beaten black and blue to death these beings. Is he that sadistic and so badly want entertainment?
Couldn't this all powerful and knowing entity reconcile these unrepentant being to himself without making his son face such a torture? Does it even make sense. This suggest a murderous God to me o.

gmolen: See, Christianity is not what u can comprehend be merely reading about it in the Bible, history books or the internet. Christianity is not strictly following some set of rules or or uphelding moral values. Christianity goes far beyond all these. Christianity is a different life entirely that can only be understood when genuinely experienced.

oh realy? The answers are not even in christian bible for you. Wow, that is a first. So why not just do away with that damn book and further explore this "experience" you talk about. You are begining to sound like the gnostic St Paul that believes faith in the death and ressurection of a christ he did not know even though they were contemporaries (he was a christ hunter and christ was that annoying Jewish kid in the business of pissing every spiritual jewish leader off) was enough for atonement of sins regardless of work or following the law. So are you recommending the pauline philo

ifeness: What religion can do to humans....

hahahahahahhahahah. . . .WTH are those

Sagamite: It is you xtians that piss people the fck off. You guys can't learn to practice your religion in private and stop disturbing others. Muslims are not like that although they can bomb you for being a kaffir.

Every Xtian feels the need to disturb you:

"Which church do you go to?"

"Why are you not a Xtian?"

"What do you have to lose not being a Xtian?"

"Don't you believe in God?"

"It is bad. Why don't you go to church?"

"Come to my church"

"You will enjoy it, just come to church"

"Jesus died for your sins, you know?"

"Where do you think you will go after you die?"

"What do you think you are on Earth for?"

"The bible says blah blah blah!"

They need to shut the fck up and practice their religion without disturbing others.

hahahahahahhahaha. . . . They are the nosiest religious sect ever. . .lol with very annoying assurance and presumptousness that defiles common sense

Sagamite: Trust me, the genocide and homicide that would have been carried out in other names if we had no religion would have been worse.

Religion is good and helps. It helps forcify the conscience in the world full of fucktards as we have them in abundance. It will help until that society can build a modern means of self-development, communication and knowledge to formulate an emotive culture.

Appreciate religion! It helps us control FUCKTARDS!



When you have illiterates writing things, obviously there would be holes in their logic.

The God described in Abrahamic religions is not only a confused God. It is also psychotic God!

It is "our God is a psycho" that is suppose to scare you and make you give your life to Christ/Allah. He would punish and punish and punish you BRUTALLY if you don't bow and worship him. Ghaddafi, Idi Amin, Saddam and their likes must have been huge fans.

lol. . . . Allow me to quote Richard Dawkins:
“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: … A vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser, a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.” . . . This was in response to this bible passage:
NUM 31:14, 17 &18 "And Moses was wroth...And Moses said unto them, "Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman, ... But all the women children ... keep alive for yourselves." this was a man described in the earlier chapter as the meekest man on earth. . lol. . God caused the meekest Man on earth to give such genocidal orders. . .lol