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dreamxhaser:
Wow! Thank you sir

When you believe you know it all, there is always someone with more experience in the game. Thank you sir.

I have told her that, me I am willing to let her go without a blink of an eye.

I have been snubbing her, replying her chats when I feel like (typically after hours) and not giving her the attention I used too (tbh I just don't care anymore).

All of a sudden, she started sending me chats of men who are asking her out and she is rejecting them because she has a boyfriend.

In fact she is trying so hard to tell me how the doesn't entertain men anyhow. Bla bla bla

As we speak, she even sent me another chat last night. I don't know what on her mind, maybe it's guilty conscious or she is just up to something (I don't care).


My mind don go far. Na love been cover my eye first time, now e don wash. I am currently on my exploring mission as i speak.

She's doing that to try and get back in your good books

Could be a sign she's getting back to her senses OR a manipulation tactic. My guess is the second but with time you should know.


Anyways, going forward just remember that a girl not responding to rich men or other guys is NOT a major criteria of a good girl. (Look out for my post on "Premier League guide to getting a good loyal gf" )

Her investment and sacrifices are the biggest indicator of her long term potential. Second only to her loyalty

SonOfHercules:
Promised to keep everyone updated.

Today, she started ranting about the Dubai guy again and I downplayed it. Told her to live her life so she doesn't get heartbroken. She brought the I like him card and I also downplayed it. Guess it was a shit test all along. Now she wants me to ask her out but she's on my bed eating suya.

Kinda happy I'm outta commitment for now. To Mr tranquility2345 , your line of thoughts has created lotta simps in the past. While women were learning male dynamics, we were fighting war and then that created lack of understanding of the female nature thereby creating men of today.

So I think every male child should learn a bit about female dynamics so he doesn't become a sissy.

Boys should take time out so they don't become simps and started worshipping vigina.

Selah

Good work. Nice that you focused on what's important

She'll still try to test you again in future tho with another guy or the same dubai guy

But as usual... don't fall for it

Adasun:
What will make girls likely to tell you I have a boyfriend, not necessarily directly but somehow they Interject into the play...


I experienced it twice from two different girls today, going home, it hit me and I was like what was that?

First girl;

Say something naughty in a chat with her
while saying she's ganna pay before I did that nauthy stuff and she said, "I weak self, make my boyfriend no just read this chat"

Of course I replied back with, "when he does find out,send him my location"



Second one, I was rough handling her because she playfully threw a piece of paper my way ...to get my attention I guess, I held her hand and she was acting ajebo like, that I am hurting her, if my boyfriend catch you...I laugh and squeeze her more and end the play...I flirt alot with this girls and touch them and they don't object.


I have ego too, may see them and act as if they mean nothing self...

The first gal have to come out and meet me when I hail some home boys and left to a quiet place, she was like, watin dey worry u self... although I actually didn't see her...


I want to understand why this trying to Interject "I have a boyfriend talk"

Both have tested me with marriage talk and I always gear towards no marriage for now



Rizzputing

Pukkalolo

I wanna hear you two out

The short version of what I want to tell you is: Both girls are attracted to you and possibly want to fùck you


Now, let's dive into the long version....

When a girl hits you with a "I have a boyfriend" it boils down to three things:

1) when she said it
2) how she said it
3) And what you did or say before she said it

If you approach a girl and tells you "I have a boyfriend" quite early then she's rejecting you. And it doesn't matter is she actually has a bf or not. She's basically saying "You revealed all your cards to me so soon. There's no mystery and I'm not interested "


Now, how about when she does it much later in your case?

There are many scenarios but I won't talk about them here. Rather, I'll focus on your situation and tell you what both mean.


Before that let me start out by saying, I like your approach. Because you are letting the girl know your sexual desire for her.

I always tell guys NEVER to hide the fact that they find a girl sexually attractive or want to fùck her. Girls love desire and get turned on by it.

If a girl walked up to you and told you she'll fùck you so hard you'll pass out... whether you found her attractive at first or not... you'll feel a bit of sexual tension. That's the same thing that happens when you channel your sexual energy towards her in a smooth way.

The problem with this move is that most guys don't do it. Most guys prefer to patient or act as a friend or disguise till she gets very comfortable with them.

Attempting to be ballsy and fast the way you're doing is not something normal guys do. It's something men with confidence and charm do. Only an experienced seducer would do something like that.

Because of that, she'll test you or throw an obstacle to see how you handle it. If you handle it well, she gets even more attracted and is more eager to sleep with you.

Now, back to your specific situation:


● The first girl likes you. She's sneaky af. Your story is very familiar to me because I encounter it often myself.

So you guys chatted naughty then she says "I hope my boyfriend doesn't read this chat" This is womanese for two things. Meaning, it has two meanings

"I want this to be low key so don't be too naughty just in case"

AND

"I have a boyfriend and I'm telling you this so you'll know how to seduce me smoothly and not make me feel bad about cheating. Also, I'm telling you so in my mind I can blame you for making me cheat"


You see, when women want to cheat... they might feel a sense of guilt or shame and in order to get rid of it... they'll find something to blame. That is why lots of girls cheat at parties so they can blame "alcohol" or "being a drunk"

However, when those things aren't available they'll just blame the guy and convince themselves in their mind by saying "he made me do it" Telling you about their bf is a way to make themselves feel better by shifting the blame

I've slept with so many girlfriends and wives that I usually just smirk whenever I hear "omo my bf shouldn't see this" because I know what she's trying to communicate.

● The second girl is like the first ... if you held her hand in public she's probably telling you that you should be more low key with things that people might be watching...

Or possibly her crush might be watching. But that isn't any of your business tho, your own is to fùck her not be her crush or husband or bf


● Next, stop getting hung up on these reactions: girls flirting, girls chasing, girls showing green light.

Those are reactions not results. Only one result matters: you fùcking her or some sort of sexual stuff like blow jòb or anal etc

Why? Because if you've been seducing women long enough, you'd know a girl can give you green light today or seem interested today and flip the next time you see her.

But a girl you've slept with has hooked and invested something tangible.

Also some girls are just attention diggers (like gold diggers) They want your gold but they want to use your attention to feed their ego.

That's why you want to focus on what really matters, her fùcking you


● Lastly, game these girls like you normally would... But be chill and laid back about it.

They're attracted and want to fùck you. But be smooth, chill, laid back and charming about it.

Remember you're still the prize

Martinez39s:
A redpiller on a group chat came to share with other redpillers his billing encounter with a daughter of zion. Your thoughts?

If he has been fùcking her, and he's naturally a generous person then why not.

If he hasn't fùcked her then the part she says "I didn't have airtime to call you" Is a LIE.

Personally, I don't know what a guy will be doing with a girl that bills airtime. Talk more of #200.

Girls should be scared to do this type of cheap billing. So either the guy has some weakness in his frame OR he's going after the wrong kind of women

dreamxhaser:
Guys!

Forgive my typos, no time to edit.

If you remeber that giril i told you guys about. Well, she don fvk me up.


Well, what happened is about a month ago, i noticed i cant acess her instagram account. I asked her and she told me, she deactivated the account.

Well, yesterday i found out the instagram account was still active.


Now before we started dating, she used to get alot of comments and repost on IG (from mostly men) and she will also repost them and reply the the comments. but once we started, she stopped. But when she blocked me she continued reposting replying the men and all that.

Now, i confronted her and asked her why she blocked me and started giving silly excuses, when she realized i wasnt falling for the lies, she started gaslighting me, so i just snubbed the chat (last night).

Now, the real issue is, there is this guy she has been telling me not to worry about. His a military guy in the NDA, according to her, she says, she rejected his proposal to date her before we started dating, which i think bruised his ego (you know those guys with pride)

but from the look things that guy is not giving up, especially when he discoverd she is currntly dating someone. The guy i still pushing and i think she is entertaining his efforts. All this one no pain me but the fact that my instincts are telling that guy wants to prove a point with her, i think he wants to play with her head if possible smash her (my thoughts though). Now if that should happen, i dont want to have anything to do with her, because i will proberbly be a laughing stock to him. Hence, i am thinking of letting go.

I went back and read your story again. And I remember coming across it some time back.

I wanted to respond back then but it skipped my mind. However, the tips people gave you back then were solid. And were enough to set you on the right path if you listened. Unfortunately, you did NOT listen. So here you are living the self fulfilling prophesy.

So what is a self fulfilling prophesy?

It's when you fear something might happen so you start acting insecure and in other ways like it as already happened. Soon, those insecure ways will eventually make what you afraid of to finally happen.

You see, when you're afraid to lose a girl, you act insecure. She can sense it. Like you're not the man she thought you were. Your insecurities will then make her doubt your value and she'll leave you or start looking for someone else.

As you can see from your relationship, it played out that way. At first, she wasn't giving guys attention. Then, you started wondering and getting scared about losing her. All of sudden, she blocked you and is now giving guys attention.

Everything you've done shows that she's the prize NOT you. With every girl you date, she must see you as the prize. She should be the one wondering how NOT to lose you.

In my life, girls usually often ask me "why me?" Meaning why did I choose to be with them. It's almost like they can't believe it

Because they see me with other girls which shows my abundance. Then my IDGAF attitude towards women in general... so they're wondering why this man would want them. And then they start finding ways to have me to themselves.

This is what the prize mentality is all about. Most guys just go about talking about being the prize. But women don't see your words or epistles you write on nairaland and telegram books. Women see your actions.

Are you actually behaving like you're the prize to be won? Or are you making her feel like the prize

In your case it's the latter... you want the relationship(and her) more than she does you.


You already rushed to blame girls and say how you won't trust women( typical trash red pill mindset)

When in actuality, you're the one who messed up the whole thing. And she is just responding as a natural woman to a guy who isn't sure of the value he hers or provides (AKA... being the prize)

>>>>>Your next moves


● Tbh, this relationship is on its last legs. If she's as fine as you claim, you should know hot girls give little room for error


And 4 -6 months is not enough dating time to cement her investment in you. Plus the blocking you thing is a very bad sign


● Raise your value. Find a purpose bigger than her and focus on it


● Meet new girls and interact with them. Flirt with them but don't over do it

Give her the impression that girls want you too. Never be too scared to give your girl some competition. Girls love competing over a man


● Have it at the back of your mind "The moment you're scared of losing a girl... you've already lost"


● Stop worrying about that army guy or whatever. Your ego is what sent you down this path. Don't let it drag you further.

Besides, girls can use one guy as a distraction by showing you while hiding the real side nigga...


● Find subtle and interesting ways to display that you have other girls


In summary:

Don't talk about being the prize. Actually become it and women will treat you that way

Finally, a post You've probably been waiting for: A detailed guide on Frames.

It's been long over due. And while this will be a comprehensive post on frames, it won't be sufficient to do enough justice to probably the most important of seduction. Nothing comes close to frames. I'll probably write a separate book on it

Some concepts you'll be familiar with. Others will be presented in new ways. If you haven't honed your frame control, setting and management skills then there are huge holes in your game.

But don't worry, this post will bring you up to speed on the fine art of frame control.

Before I begin, I want to state a note of warning to alfa male fan boys and red pill soy boys: If the truth offends you, resist the urge to mention me with your half baked opinions and false narratives. Trust me, they'll all be treated as troll posts and be ignored

Because I consider the majority of red pillers that speak from book knowledge rather than real life experience as trolls.

So when I see nonsense comments like "She's not yours, it's your turn" OR one that just recently dropped this night "seduction is simping" I laugh and ignore immediately.

If you can't handle the truth, it's best you stop reading here.

However, if you're like others with an open mind, willing to learn and enjoy the beauty that lies in female nature, then walk with me as we dive into what frame really is.


>>>>>What Really Is Frame?

You're probably familiar with the popular concept of masculine frame. Most guys see frame that way.

Meaning, they state something and want it to go their way. Then, they resist any attempt by a girl to change their frame or set hers.

This is fine. And it's a good way to look at when you're just starting out. But frame is much deeper.

Frame is simply the underlying vibe that clouds a relationship or interaction. It's the subcommunication/energy/vibe that exists between people. Frame is fluid and is subject to change at any point.

Your goal as a seducer is to set favourable frames that help you fùck a girl faster and in a smooth way.

Frame is something you communicate. And she does to. Whatever you say or do communicates a frame that is why you should be careful about certain behaviours


>>>>>> Types of frame

Frames exist in different forms:

---- Personal frames
----Vibe frames
----Conversational frames.
----Relationship frames


---- Personal frames: This is what you as a person communicates. You see a girl you like, you walk up to her, get her smiling and hooked...

The frame you're communicating is "I'm a confident guy and I go for what I want"


You tell a girl that's behaving badly to either act right or she'll lose you.... The frame you're communicating is "I like you but my time is valuable so you better act right"

Your choice of clothes and how you walk and talk also communicates a certain frame and attracts girls that want to fall into that frame


---- Vibe frames.

Have you ever walked into a restaurant or a club and just noticed something off between a couple?

Maybe the girl is bored or she's looking uninterested. Or maybe it feels like the woman walks over the man in the relationship


This is a vibe frame. The vibe between them doesn't feel right. The guy is subcommmunicating as a simp. While the girl is subcommunicating like someone who is in charge. Body language is very important when it comes to frames because it makes it frame you're trying to set stronger


---- Conversational frames.

This is the most important of all. To explain I'll use an example that happened recently to me

Three days ago I was vibing with a girl I had met last week and I told her that we should hang out.

Now this was her response. And I want you to pay very close to her response.

She said: "I'm going for my friend's birthday party. You should come so we hang out there and also with my friends"

Remember I said, everything you do or say sets a frame. Including her.

Now I don't need to tell you how unfavourable the frame she set is. Not only did she set a wrong frame for me... she set a bad location.

A party is just a place where I'll end up competing unnecessarily with other guys for her attention (cuz she's hot). Besides it's our first meeting. And parties have a lot of wild cards. Things can go well. Or things can go badly... so much is out of your control.

Now, think of a few replies you can give to her. Your frame has to have a goal. You don't set a frame for the sake of doing it.

Obviously, our goal is that we do not want to join her for the party. But to spend time with her alone and of course, fùck her.

Have you thought of something? Let's look at a few potential replies and the frames they're setting even though they all want the same goal.

We'll use four guys : red piller Ray, Caring Chris, Simp Steven and hook up material Henry.


Red piller Ray would probably say: "I don't want to go to a party with you. I'd prefer if we hang out at somewhere else. That's me. So you can take it or leave it"

The frame here is simply him telling her what he likes and that as the alpha male or leader he is, she should follow his lead.


Then there's Caring Chris: "Im sure a party might be nice but I can't go. And you shouldn't too. Too much alcohol for both of us won't be great


The frame is simple here... he doesn't want to go because he's concerned about her safety... he's trying to be caring towards her.


Next up is Simp Steven: "I want to hang out with just you alone. I don't want other guys dragging you with me"


Simp Steven also doesn't want to go but his frame is needy.


Lastly we have seducer, hook up material Henry: "I'd prefer somewhere lowkey where we can relax and be free so we can be our real selves. Besides what's going to happen when we eventually put ourselves in trouble"


The frame here is that you're low key and the subcomunication that you want things to go down in a place where people won't know.


As you can see all 4 replies have the same goal of not going. But each one is subcommunicating a different frame.


You probably can tell I went with the last reply. And we ended up snagging ourselves the next day.


The red piller reply is to brash and abrasive. It comes from a place of ego rather than actually showing the girl he understands the secret society of female nature.

In his delusional mind by being that direct he thinks he chances are higher, but they are not. And it reduces his odds of success much lower than expected

The second reply about being caring is the kind of sweet boyfriend response. This is the type of frame that'll make the girl see him as a boyfriend therefore making him wait.

No need to show too much care for a girl you haven't slept with.


The third reply by the simp is needy af. The frame is that of "Don't go because I need you"

So as you can see the words you say and how you say them communicates a frame to the girl and puts you in a particular light


----- Relationship Frame:

This is pretty self-explanatory. This is the overall dynamic of the relationship.

Ideally, you look at the relationship for the past 60-90 days. What has the frame been like.

Are you more dominant? Or is she more aggressive and annoying?

Changing the previous 3 frames gradually: personal, vibe and conversation will help form the relationship frame.

They're all building blocks on top each other




>>>>summary


To summarise a frame is like a swimming pool.

Whoever controls or creates the swimming pool dictates how you swim, what you wear to swim, what time to swim, and even if you can swim or not

As a seducer, it's up to you set and create favourable frames that help you sleep with her faster and smoother



Next post:

1) A thread on how to know a woman's body count

2) A "premier league" guide to finding a good girl for marriage/relationship

Sucre6:
THE CHASING GAME.

In anything you do as a red Piller, dont ever do the chasing game, the only thing you are permitted to chase is the green bag 💰.
Leave chasing women for simps who don't value their time and lust aimlessly in anything in skirts, women want the best and that's why dey use the simps for ATM and does the chasing game when she sees an alpha

Here is my chat with my new babe, maybe some new red pill recruit will learn a thing or two from here 😁 unbunja

P.s after I send her the last chat, she called many times before I decided to answer and we pick it up from there, she's the one doing the chasing game now, that's how it's should be. All women want to use the simps and beta males as ATM and for freee attention and finally they chase after the finest males in the equation a.k.a Alpha male.

This girl has probably been getting fùcked tirelessly while you were waiting for her to chase.

Expect some manipulations and tests down the road tho.

Chasing doesn't mean anything unless she's chasing you for sex. Which she isn't at the moment but could be later

Whenever a girl says "you weren't consistent in the chasing" OR "I have to do shakara first"

It means one thing: You were too direct and revealed all your cards. This strategy can work. But it's hit and miss. Plus a low odds strategy.

Becoming an efficient seducer and hook up material means adopting high odds strategies that make it easier and smoother to fùck her.

You didn't have a "smooth ride" because you went way too direct. Which made her throw obstacles and tests.

Your willingness to walk away is what brought her attraction up back but that could have been avoided.

Things could have been much smoother if you had been more subtle and seductive.

Anyways, she'll still test and try to manipulate you. Once you scale through the tests, you'd be pounding that pùssy in no time

Women LOVE sex. This is not how to engage a woman for sexual interests

SonOfHercules:
Hi redpillers👋👋👋

It's kinda long I took some redpills so I need some quality advice please.

There's this new girl at my workplace. She likes me and my manager was even hinting at the both of us being in a relationship but I've kinda been off relationship for a while just focusing on my dreams. This girl has been showing me some subtle greenlight and then we started conversing.

We even became paddy but I wanted to take it really slow but later, I sent her a WhatsApp message telling her how I wanted us to be in a relationship but she didn't reply so I let it slide and we kept talking about everything even sex but I didn't ask her out again then she started telling me about a guy she met online that's in Dubai and wants to marry her but she ain't sure the guy really likes her. She said she likes the guy but she ain't sure because she hasn't seen him.

My problem is that she's always talking about this guy. I don't know if she's trying to test if I'll be jealous or what.
But it seems I'm starting to like this girl and I want date her. Now the other guy is discouraging me... Please I need some good advice 🙏

I like your story because it is one of the easiest beginner mistakes to solve.

It's also a case where amateur Red pillers will proceed to tell you that the girls is playing you or trying to test you. Meaning, they'll heap all the blame on the girl. When in reality you're the one at fault.
The girl is just responding how every girl would when you make the mistakes you just made

I'm wondering just how much red pill you've taken. Given, you failed a basic rule: Never ever, and I mean ever, ask a girl out you haven't slept with. And even better, never do it before she asks you out first.


This is the problem with "taking pills" it's like substituting natural fruits and vegetables with Vitamin C tablets/pills.

Taking pills doesn't make you better with women. Actually going out, interacting and sleeping with women makes you better with women and female nature.

Anyways... let's look at a few key points:


● Your first mistake was asking how out before sleeping with her. She liked you alot at first but now YOU put yourself as a back up option. Not her.

I saw where you said she's making you a back up. That's not true. You're the one making yourself a back up.

You see, you can only be 5 materials to a woman:

----Bf material
----husband material
----hook up material
----friendzone material
----utility material

The worst kind is friendzone. The best is hook up material. I have repeated here more times than I count the importance of becoming a man women want and love to fùck. Because everything starts from sex.

But guys often try to be good boyfriends candidates. And the moment you do that, she starts comparing you to other guys. Like she's comparing you now to the Dubai guy.

When a woman gives you greenlight to sleep with her and you start asking her out, you've shown her you do NOT understand the secret society of female nature. You look like an outsider. And you will remain an outsider to her inner desires and cravings. This also applies to asking her out first even if you've slept with her.


● Another reason I'm wondering how much "pill" you've taken is that you are in a far better position than that guy.

A major rule of seduction is: Proximity is King. Meaning, a girl can be drooling over a celebrity in Spain but her classmate that she goes to night class with and sits beside her has a far greater chance of fùcking her and dating her than the Spain guy.

You not knowing this is unbelievable and surprising. The Dubai guy doesn't stand a chance if you seduced her properly. He'll even been sending money that she'll spending on you for fùcking her well.


● Yes she's testing you and trying to make you jealous. Why? Because she's comparing you and wants you to step up.

She's saying "look at your competition... can you do better"

This is a very bad frame to be in. Apart from the fact that she's the one setting it....(always be the one to set frames when possible) She's setting a very bad one that you're ignorantly swimming in.

Remember, you don't play her games or inside her frame. You set your frame and your games so she plays in it. That is seduction.


● Simply invite this girl and fùck her. But to do that, change your strategy and make a move


Act bored NOT jealous when she talks about the other guy. He's irrelevant and a gigantic simp. Because I don't understand why he's proposing marriage to a girl he hasn't met. (Simps will never cease to surprise me)

That guy is playing a losing battle already.

Don't try to present yourself as a bf material to her. Let him waste his time there

Simply switch and be more of a hook up material. Get her wanting to sleep with you NOT date you.

Once you've fùcked her like three times, she'll be hooked on you better


NOTE OF WARNING:

Office romance is risky. So be careful.

Zabiboy:
I'll keep it real with you fam. Resorting to calling people names because of difference in opinion/principle (especially on a faceless forum) is just a public display of Low IQ.
Its not an insult, its a fact.
Opinions differ, principles differ and thats what makes everyone unique and its what the brain is made for.
If you see a post with contradicting opinions to yours, you can simply ignore or give your own opinion without having to call names.
I could easily have skipped this post the same way i skip many others, but i believe we learn everyday, so you can either see this as a man to man advice (learning) or as an insult, its up to you.

Entitlement to an opinion doesn't mean your opinion will be sensible.

You should take your own unsolicited "advice" and simply ignore. Rather than get butthurt and emotional cuz I didn't sugar coat the truth for you.

So go back and Re-read my post again.

Have a blessed day & week

Just a quick run through on some debates on the thread.

● Red pill is more good than it is bad. Men need a stronger message to remove them from years of bad societal simpish conditioning


● A girl that is not a virgin is NOT a hoe. Marrying a virgin doesn't guarantee anything. Apart from the fact that she probably doesn't know her body and emotions that well... you have no control over what direction her sexual urges or desire will swing


● Saying girls see you and know they want to fùck you is fòolishness. Yes, sometimes that happens.... A girl can see you and just want you. But that is the minority. Majority of girls you meet especially during the day are on autopilot mode and really don't care about your existence


● A girl can lose interest as fast as she can gain it. The fact that a girl is not interested in you now doesn't mean can't become interested in you.

● Blaming a girl's lack of interest in you on her is amateurish. MAJORITY of the time, it's the guys fault. Some guys think they've made it because the girl was smiling when she gave her number. Or they think their approach was smooth when in actuality it was terrible.

The truth is some girls might NOT be impressed with you AT FIRST but later on become interested. This doesn't mean she loved you from the beginning (the fact that some people believe this is laughable)


● "She's not yours it's just your turn" is a stùpid mindset. And it's the reason why some relationships fail. A girl will sense your lack of seriousness about her on the relationship and leave. Then the guy will them come and say "you see... she left.. that's her women are" The clown will forget how his poor attitude in the relationship made her run away


● women want these things: Money, Sex, Relationship/Marriage, Help, Connection.
You decide which one you want to give her


● Women are either fully interested, not interested, in between, moderately interested and fairly not interested. Seduction is finding which category she's in then making her fully interested in your dìck


● "women are always manipulative and always lying " is the cry of a defeated man. Can't take any guy seriously that thinks like this


● I looked up MGTOW. They're clowns. In a world with 2 sexes: Male and female, where are exactly are they going to LMAO. They had better learn how to manage their relationships with women and learn the hard way


● The discussion about women not just in this thread but in your life SHOULD never end. Unless you want to be a monk on a mountain. But if you're like the rest of us in the real world, understanding women and female nature is important. From the corporate world to the romantic lifestyle and down to the family. And you never stop learning till you die.

You can take few breaks or reduce things. But stopping or thinking you're done with women like it's some puberty phase you go through is the height of delusions

If you've ever wondered why girls vigorously fùck "meaningless" dìcks, you're about to find out why.

By meaningless I mean, after fùcking him, she says things like "he doesn't mean anything to me babe" OR "I don't see a future with this guy"

These guys are usually the bad boys on the streets who have nothing but smoking and drinking yet bang girls.

As someone who has often found myself in positions where girls just want to use me to cure their sexual urges... even when they know I have NOTHING... I have termed this aspect of female nature: "The Curse Of Meaningless Dick"


>>>>Two Types Of Girls That LOVE Their Dick Meaningless

You're about to learn about two categories of girls that are sneaky and potentially dangerous.

I know because I've encountered them so many times in different forms. In fact, they're among the most common category of girls I sleep with.

They're also the ones that manipulate red pillers, "high value" guys and "alpha male" the most

The amount of high value and powerful guys that get manipulated by these girls are staggering.

Anyways, enough teasing. What are the two categories?

--- Drama Divas

---Girls fresh out of a relationship/looking to leave/ wanting a break or looking to heal


The first one, drama divas I'll talk about them this week in a thread.

For this post, it's about the second group. Those girls who just broke up or about to.

Those ones looking to "heal" or wanting to take a break.

For these kind of girls "healing" means getting rammed like a slut by a meaningless dìck

The worst thing you can do with these girls is to show them how "high value" you are.

Because high value just makes you look like a good boyfriend candidate. Which she's not ready for because she just left a relationship.

The more high value you are, the more meaningful your dìck is to her. And the more meaning your dìck carries, the harder it is for her to sleep with you

In her mind, you carry so much value and meaning she can't risk looking like a slut in front of you by fùcking you fast.

So that's when she tells "I just want to heal first" Or "I just got out of a relationship not looking for much now"

You believe her cuz she's not lying. She actually did just leave a relationship. So you decide to be "patient" with her. Give her time

Well, 4 days later you find out she was sucking dìck and getting banged in the bathroom by a hook up material guy she just met.

The guy isn't high value or has money. So what happened?
When you confront her she says "oh he doesn't mean anything to me. You mean so much more"

The repeller or high value guy in you is confused..

But you see, it's that lack of meaning he has to her that made his dìck The perfect choice to heal on.


>>>>Why Is A meaningless dìvk so alluring to these women

● The biggest reason why is there are no expectations.

She sees no future with him. No hope of being his gf. So the pressure is less. She can be his dirty slùt

I once met a girl, we'll call her "Paula" She had a bf that wasn't coming through the way she wanted.

When I met, she was my spec... fair... big tits and a fat àss.

I ran my usual hook up material game on her using Lust Oriented Topics and powerful frames.

By the 5th day she was sucķing my dìvk and getting dug out. She told me point black "I'm not going to date you. My bf is just an ìdiot. I needed to heal"

Lmao. I've been doing this for years and some excuses I hear still make me laugh.

Now, it doesn't end there. She broke up with her guy and another guy was toasting her 2 months while I was pounding her

Eventually, they started dating. And she refused to give him a bj. I asked her why and she said "he means a lot to me. I don't want him to see me some how... he already does a lot for me"

I already knew where the guy fùcked up. The guy probably showed her his high value self and she felt he had too much meaning behind him to get slutty for him


● The next biggest reason is: "It doesn't count"

You've probably heard that women lie about their body count.

One way they do this subconsciously is to convince themselves that a certain scenario or dìck doesn't matter.

"Oh that guy I fùcked in his small room? He doesn't count."

"Oh that weed guy I banged at the bathroom? He doesn't mean anything to me. It's nothing"

The more she can categorise a dìck as meaningless, the easier it is for her to forget about it like it doesn't count WHILE still getting sexually satisfied

"He doesn't mean much to me like you " is a phrase a guy will hear when a girl delays fùcking him or dating him only to smash another nigga fast

The summary of it all is that seduction at its core is much more than value or being powerful or looking like an alpha male

Those things help but they're just pieces of the puzzle. NOT the whole puzzle as some people might have you believe

Yes. Women worry about their sexual performance. Though not as much as men. But they surely do.

They also worry about how their pùssy looks and if their man is satisfied.

Women feel very bad when they can't get a man to cum. Especially if they like you.

That's another reason why some of them get angry when you don't cum after pounding them or sucking your dìck.

If they like you, they want to please you with new styles. And want to get better for you.

After making them cum or have an orgasm... they usually do all they can to return the favour and make you cum.

It all depends on the kind of man she's with

They also spend time learning new styles... how to give a blow jòb and how to arch properly

It's generally a bad idea to tell or imply to a girl that you'll always make her happy and never want to see her cry

In fact, anytime I see a story on nairaland or twitter that starts off with "I always wanted to make her happy" I know before I finish reading that it ended badly for the guy

To some of you, what I'm about to reveal might serve as a quick reminder. To others it might be something new or a new/deeper perspective to something you've already known.

Here's the general idea: Don't be scared to make your girl angry or cry in a relationship

Doesn't matter if she is just a fling or a serious GF or a FWB, if you are getting women frustrated, that's a great sign.

That simply means that her attraction for you is still high, because frustration is an indicator that she cares.

Before I continue, let me clarify. The kind of anger you want is:

● "I want more time with you please pay attention to me"

Or

● "Damn he isn't acting like I was expecting. Fùck"

What you don't want is to be a source of depression for her.

So if that frustation is popping out sparingly and in small doses, you are doing it right.

But if she is constantly nagging about it, either you are overdoing it or she's a drama diva (you should run far away. I'll write a thread on this category of girls)

These days, I have zero issues getting girls annoyed. In fact, once I hear a girl say "you're so annoying" or "I hate you so much"....

I know deep down we're going to fùck soon. Sometimes I present opportunities to deny them something so they act angry

One time I was vibing with a girl and she asked me to get something for her and I weasled out of it


She then hit me with "are you not my friend... I'll cry o" with cute puppy dog eyes. But such things would move my JSS 3 self NOT the hook up material man I am today. She was angry of course. But that didn't matter because later that night she was hungrily sucking my dìck

Simps and the average guy try desperately not to offend girls. It's tough concept for them to wrap their head around that you can get a girl angry or annoyed and still pound her

They fail to understand the concept of "any emotion is good emotion". And "no emotion is bad & anti seductive"

Now, some of you understand this. But maybe you're wondering why trying so hard to please a girl will make her dump you faster than a naija politician does to parties

If you're curious, let's find out why....

You see, a girl's life as she grows is filled with pain, drama and tears. From period pains, to heartbreaks to random tears and drama

All these "negative" emotions are engraved in her psyche.

That's why when things are moving too smoothly or things are seemingly too good or too happy... her first instinct is to cause some drama. Or tell the guy "you're too good for me" OR "you're to boring"

She wants to eject or feel a new thrill of emotions

Because all her life there's usually something bad, dramatic or negative happening.

So when a guy comes along trying to be perfect or promising to always make her happy.... he gets the opposite treatment of what he's expecting.

She sees him as weak. Like something isn't right. She won't even know why she causes the drama or loses respect of him but her subconscious mind keeps the score

Sooner or later... her attraction for him fades off slowly till a point of no return

Of course, this doesn't mean you should go about making girls angry.

But you're not perfect and you should accept that. Meaning, you'd do things she won't like but are great in the long for the both of you.

She'll be angry now but will respect you more in the long run

eclatante:
Thanks king for your reply.

I'll update the house within 10 days.

To add, she been dying to know my age, I don't know why. She's 23, I'm also 23. I don't want to tell her my age.

Idk why it's much of a big deal to her.

Sometimes (few cases) girls make age a big deal for relationship.

She most likely won't have ever thought of this if you hadn't brought up a relationship. If you had gone the hook up route, you'd be fùcking by now

However, age doesn't matter much most times if you're coordinated and mature enough.

Also, you not telling her will make it now look like a big deal cuz she'll now feel like you're hiding something.

Don't tell her yet... at least before you fùck her. Cuz if you tell her coupled with all the wrong move you've been making... she'll mentally check out of the relationship and use your age as the excuse. You'll probably receive a talk or text on how "you're too young for her"

So just get her to fùck you first before any other thing. Of course, remember to be chill and not act desperate for it

eclatante:
Good morning kings.

I'm met a new girl. We started talking, she didn't give me the stress typically of Nigerian girls. She responds to text and calls well and also calls to check me up.

Normally, I would have gone for the normal route and get sex and we'll all be cool. But my guy advised I don't do that, that I should make her my woman.

All my life, I've been single. I've never been in a real relationship, so I had took this decision to make things different with her.

She feels me, just like I feel her. But after I started the relationship idea, her response and vibes is that she doesn't wants to hurt me.

Because I'm going to fall so hard for her, and I'll get my heart broken. Personally, I'm this kind of guy that doesn't really give AF about getting my heart broken. The possibility of a woman breaking my heart is almost zero.

We've shared a kiss, I've caressed her, but no sex yet. All I wanted was a woman of my own.. because it isn't normal for a guy of 23, not to have tried a relationship for once.

Highlights: 1. it's almost impossible to get my heart broken.

2. I want her to be my girl (I'm tired of playing a hard guy bullcrap)

3. I wanna smash this babe. Haven't had sex in months. (It almost happened, but she stopped half way, telling me I'm rushing things.

4. After sex, the probability that I'll still have the urge to be in a relationship with her, is almost zero too.

5. I bleeped up bringing the relationship crap. (My friend adviced me to get a woman and stick with her) Which I actually wanted but things isn't going as planned.

6. I've decided not to call and text her for the next 3 days.

7. Please how do I fix this? It's 3 weeks since we started talking and no sex yet.

Rizzputin, pukkalolo

I need advice. Thank you kings.

Most guys will solve a lot of their problems by 1) Never asking a girl out AND 2) Fùcking a girl before dating her.

Your instincts were right. You should have gone the normal route and fùcked her before dating her. That's how it's done.

Anyways, let's dive in once again. I'll quote your post in italics and reply to each one


● "We started talking, she didn't give me the stress typically of Nigerian girls. She responds to text and calls well and also calls to check me up."

Yeah, this is where she hooked you. You're having seducer's oneitis. That feeling when a girl seems so different from others you've been with or come across she starts looking special. So you start treating her way too differently

No girl is special. Remember that. Yes, allow yourself to have those feelings for her. There's nothing wrong in those feelings.

The problem is the actions you do out of those feelings. Which I'll address as you read on.

Also, a girl responding to your calls and texts then calling you back is NOT a hallmark of a special girl. That is a normal thing an experienced seducer has in his life. It is literally the bare minimum

No girl receives any special treatment or consideration because you reply my text or call me. I will only take not of it if you start leaving me 8 missed calls almost every day.

So what I'm saying raise your standards of what different or special means to you. This is your first mistake. Because if ordinary things like this move you, she won't respect you because you're too easy.


● "Normally, I would have gone for the normal route and get sex and we'll all be cool. But my guy advised I don't do that, that I should make her my woman".

Yes your instincts were right. This is what you should have done.

She will now be the one chasing you for a relationship.


● "All my life, I've been single. I've never been in a real relationship, so I had took this decision to make things different with her."


You probably also told her this or hinted at it. How you want things to be different with her because she's different.

Wrong decision. Because she hasn't done anything of note that makes her different.



● "She feels me, just like I feel her. But after I started the relationship idea, her response and vibes is that she doesn't wants to hurt me."

Of course her vibe has changed. She has gotten the ultimate goal of a woman in manipulation mode. Which is to lock down a man into a relationship with, use his resources. And to do it without little to no effort and without sex.

Once she does this, her goal is achieved then she'll manipulate you completely. Dictate rules in the relationship, cheat on you... spend all your money... give you another man's baby. Now, in your case... this girl may not go that far with you. I'll tell you why in this section but before that let me tell you the two modes that exist in every woman.

Now each girl has two modes constantly running inside her

The first is the desire mode. The ultimate goal of this one is to chase a man she likes, confess her feelings to him and then he fùcks her deeply, intensely and passionately. Women love the chase. They like a man that's mysterious and challenging.

The reward she gets by fùcking you is sweeter. The more different and intense the adventures she experiences while chasing you also makes the sèx sweeter.

When you confess your feelings to her or ask her out you Rob her off this experience. You've denied her of her number one fantasy and desire... and she will resent you for it

This is why immediately you Rob her off this desire, the next mode takes over...

Her manipulation mode. Contrary to what red pillers and alpha males would have you believe, this is the weaker of the two.

Girls are not walking about looking to manipulate men. That is why books And movies like 50 shades of grey that explore a woman's deep, sexual desires are popular among women. And these are the things they spend time on the most.

Her desire mode is stronger but the manipulation mode is strong enough to put up a fight. Each time she meets a new guy, the two modes are present.

Whichever mode wins, depends on the girl, the situation, what point she is in her life and the type of man.

So for example if she meets a man that let's her achieve her desire goal, the manipulation mode remains dormant and inactive. It never goes away. Until something wakes it up like maybe the man starts fùcking up terribly.


● "Because I'm going to fall so hard for her, and I'll get my heart broken"

I had to break up the last section because it was getting to long


Now, when a girl tells you "I don't want to hurt you because you'll fall so hard and get heart broken" it's one of two cases depending on when she tells you

Remember I told you that she won't go for with her manipulation with you? The reason is because girls that say these usually have a good conscience OR they genuinely like you.

However, in your situation you're in the bad case.


The first case a girl will tell you this (which is the good one) is when she first initially meets you and you guys are vibing

She'll tease you as a way to test you and say she'll break you heart or she doesn't want to hurt you. This is usually before you've fùcked her AND before you guys are in a relationship.

Mynresponse is just to smile and ignore.


The second case is the bad one. This happens during a deep heart to heart talk, a deep convo OR when she's already in a relationship with you

If you hear "I don't want to hurt you. You'll get heart broken" in any of those situations, you have fùcked up somewhere.

You're the man. You're the seducer. You're the one whose options matter (because she might have but because of you, they wont matter)

She should be worried about getting her heart broken or getting hurt. Not she being worried that you'll get your heart broken . LMAO

What she just said is womanese.

This is the translation: "I like you. You're such a good, nice, sweet guy. And yes, I'll manipulate you / I already manipulated you / I'm currently manipulating you. But I don't want to hurt you too much"

Another translation (which is similar to the first or related): "Im not as good or special as you think I am. You love me way too much already when I haven't done anything worthy. This makes me feel you're easy to manipulate and I don't respect you for it. Since you're this easy to manipulate, I'll just end up hurting you. Cuz you love me too much already over nothing much"



● We've shared a kiss, I've caressed her, but no sex yet

Have you fingèred her or has she given you a blow jób ?

If no, start from there... Though I doubt the blow jób will happen if you haven't done that by now but read on, we can fix it


● it's almost impossible to get my heart broken.

Lol, you're saying this because the girl actually likes you as a person. So she will hold herself back or think twice on certain things

If it was someone who could care less and she's experienced, things would have turned out differently


● "After sex, the probability that I'll still have the urge to be in a relationship with her, is almost zero too"

Why should sex reduce the urge to date her?

Then you're not ready to be in a relationship then. And that's a childish way of thinking

You should fix your internal mindset before reading the first way I'll suggest to fix your situation



● <<<<<< Your Next Moves>>>>



Continue with everything as normal. Don't act angry or disappointed. Once those 3 days has elapsed just call or text depending on how you do your thing in a calm or chill way.

Though my guess is that she'll hit you up before the 3 days reaches.

Vibe with her normally but do NOT over do the caring, romance thing. Key phrase is: DO NOT OVER DO.

Invite her over whenever you feel is convenient.

Now your first choice is this:

Make out with her, caress her and finger her... make her give you blow joob. Make sure you finger her well.

Tell her that making love to your woman (that is fùcking her) is something you enjoy and it deepens your love for her. And it makes it more genuine

Say that while you're doing pre-intimacy. Listen to her objections and take note of them. That is if she resists sex... there's something she'll tell you. Take note of it. Normally, you'll address it there. If you can, do it and she'll end up fùcking you. If you can't, just post what she says here... And I'll reply you what you'll tell her next time or probably if she's still there


The second choice is the longer one...

Of course the shorter one is easier to fùck up. Which is why most people avoid it. But with experience, you'll be able to navigate around it easily

The longer one is typical red pill advice.

You simply act like the sèx is not a big deal like sèx isn't important. Start talking to other girls... in a way she notices it...

You want to increase your value back up. And nothing does that better than she seeing other girls around you. Not too much Tho (like you kissing them or overly hugging them)

This will set her back in chasing mode... you continue acting like sex isn't a big deal then you run your game as you initially intended to do before your friend gave you that useless advice


● To end this, girls chase relationships more because it's an opportunity to lock down a guy

That's why you must never want a relationship more than a girl does Especially if you haven't fùcked her. You just look desperate and naive

That's why she's saying all those I don't want to hurt you cuz she believes your naive and will manipulate you tire till you fall hopelessly

Secondly, these are your resources: time, money, attention, dìck, validation.

Never give them out cheaply or to a girl you haven't tested that meets your standards.

They should be given as rewards to girls that pass your test, meet your standards or have invested significantly in you or your relationship

When you're quick to give up your resources to a girl, she loses respect for you

Cuz in her mind you're weak and you don't value what you have

And if you don't value what you have, why should she

lajid:
There’s a girl I flirted with for sometime in on WhatsApp. It’s very funny cause with the way I flirted with her she seem to know if she comes to my place I’m gonna make a move.

This girl pestered me to come my place after posting her for 3 months I finally agreed to let her come.

After coming she was asking me some kinda Mumu questions and all. Maybe sizing me up and all.

Anyway at some point l made a move on her for intimacy she rejected and I did again and she rejected. So we had a conversation and she was saying ehnnn, I know she has a boyfriend and all that. That she isn’t down for FWB and that this is her first time coming here so it’s too early.

That I should follow the proper channel first, she will go home and then think. So that she can know if she is coming to my place “she is going to her guys place and anything can happen” bla bla bla.


I was just listening to her talking. In my head, be like this one dey find marriage and something serious. Cause which one is, I should follow proper channel of asking out when you said you have a boyfriend. Even mentioned say her mama no like the guy cause he no get money and bla bla bla.

I just Dey vex inside like be like this girl think I’m a Mumu man that can be hooked. Anyway she went and I ended all conversation with her since then. I’m not stupid

I like this your story. Because it reminded me of what I said few days about being a hook up material

Showing desire but not desperation.

The mistakes you made were several. Not just one. But of course, you can still fúck her since you didn't chase her or act needy( I also hope you didn't react angrily too). If you eventually decide that putting your díck inside her is your next plan, then read on (Especially the ending)

Before we begin, I want to make two things abundantly clear: 1, she's a bad and naughty girl. She's definitely fùvking more than one guy. 2, She has no boyfriend. If she does, she's not serious about him at all.


Now, let's dive in... I'll quote part of your post (in italics) then reply to each on

● "There’s a girl I flirted with for sometime in on WhatsApp. It’s very funny cause with the way I flirted with her she seem to know if she comes to my place I’m gonna make a move.

This girl pestered me to come my place after posting her for 3 months I finally agreed to let her come."

I've noticed this new trend among guys. When guys begin game newly or have a few But not remarkable success, they try SO HARD not to look like a simp.

A common thing you guys do is to wait or delay. Some guys have even advocated not inviting a girl over until she asks. Lol.

Such nonsense. The past year I've had a bunch of girls I've slept with say "I've never done it this fast with anyone" "you're turning me into something I'm not" "I have never experienced this so fast" "I didn't know what entered into my head to do that with you"

At first, I thought it's the usual thing girls say. Now, I'm realising a lot of guys are moving wayyyy too slow. 3 months of posting her? This doesn't help your seduction in any way. You don't look more high value in her eyes by posting a visit

She'll just think maybe you don't like her or you're busy.

Also, it seems like you did heavy flirting. I like that. As I always, it's far better to err on the side of too much desire than very little desire (weakness)

However, I would have kept the flirting light rather than heavy. Then invite her over the first week and bang her.


● "After coming she was asking me some kinda Mumu questions and all. Maybe sizing me up and all."

Ah yes. Of course She'll throw those questions. You weren't expecting them abi.

Well you've gotten her curious. All those your heavy flirting and not inviting her over for 3 months spiked her curiosity in you. She wanted to get closer to you. But you mistook her curiosity for interest in fùcking you. That's why you probably presumed that since she's coming over, she knows what's going to happen about you making moves.

Well, she did. She wanted you to make those moves. And believe me, she was hoping you'd fúck her.

But here's what was going on internally with her: As you built up her curiosity for you in 3 months, it was also enough time for her to get confused. She was probably unsure of the whole thing. Yes, at the back of her mind she thought something could happen (she probably shaved before coming) but she wasn't sure about the whole thing

Confusion is anti-seductive. That's why you waiting that long is a terrible idea. Some girls won't get confused and just remain at curiosity. But most will get confused.

That's why you were hit with "mumu questions" Those were not mumu questions. They were shít test questions.

Because she's both curious and confused about you at the same time, she has to be sure sleeping with you is the right choice. So she has to test you.

And I can already tell from you calling it "mumu questions" and saying she "sized you up" you failed those tests. My guess iss that you felt irritated by the questions.

But they were all shít tests she was hoping you'd blaze through. Also, as a reminder when a girl tests you with questions rather than statements in that scenario, she's more than likely you to fúck you. She's showing her submissiveness and trying not to offend you so you don't back off



● "Anyway at some point l made a move on her for intimacy she rejected and I did again and she rejected. So we had a conversation and she was saying ehnnn, I know she has a boyfriend and all that. That she isn’t down for FWB and that this is her first time coming here so it’s too early."

After making your first big mistake which is failing her test, you could have steered the conversation in a way that will make you pass the tests.

Rather, you proceeded to dig your pit even further.

Your value has already dropped after you failed that test. So you making a move till turn her off and she'll reject you. Because you're making a move from a low value position

Rather you should have built your value up through specific hook up material conversations and topics.

After she rejects you twice... she now has to make the rejection make sense. Of course, with women when a girl makes a move on you or wants to fùck you OR wants to reject you, she will deploy womanese. Womanese is just a word for indirect/subtle display of interest or disinterest with coded meanings.

"I have a boyfriend" is the most common womanese when a girl rejects you so as not to damage your ego

You see, a woman's world feels generally unsafe to her. Angry guys in her dms. Thirsty men who might want to hurt or rapè her. That's why rejection from her is done in a way to massage your ego. You can call it manipulation but such is the game.

"I have a boyfriend" after rejecting your move has nothing to do with her bf or even whether she has or not. Trust me, she has a FWB she's currently fùcking or she is on the hunt for one (and she was hoping it would be you)

Now, she gave you an opening into her game... either because she's amateurish or she really liked you.

This is where she did it: "it's my first time coming and it's too early"

This is womanese.

This is the translation: "I wouldn't mind fùcking you on the first time but you're NOT making me feel comfortable"

This could either mean she doesn't feel safe with you or your value is too low. In your case... it's both.

Once you hear something relating to that next time, take a step back in a calm way... change the topic into something that will build your value and make her feel more comfortable and safe with you.

Girls will never reveal their game to you like that if they don't want to fùck you. Remember that.


● "That I should follow the proper channel first, she will go home and then think. So that she can know if she is coming to my place “she is going to her guys place and anything can happen” bla bla bla."

This should already tell you everything you know. At this point not only has she opened her game for you to see, she has casted it completely

She was probably thinking "since this werey doesn't want to get the point that I want to fúck him, Let me just cast my game maybe he'll understand"

She's telling you that you should ask her out to be her bf so she can fùck you. Right after telling you she has a bf. LMAO

This girl wanted your dìck. And she let you know with the famous womanese of : "anything can happen"

In one of my threads on my profile I talked about how girls don't like anything planned

"It just happened" and "anything can happen" are ways girls use to justify their actions. Trust me they wanted it to happen. But they have to make it look like "it just happened"

Why?

This is the translation of "anything can happen". She's saying: "Lajid, I want to fùck you but you asking me out will make me feel less like a slut. Because after all I'm fùcking my bf and not someone random so I won't feel like a slut"

So what's she's saying is that she wanted to fùck you right there BUT YOU have to do something that won't make her feel like a slùt.

Her suggestion was you asking her out. But there are many other conversations, topics and moves you could have done right there that would have done the job without asking her out. And she was hoping you did it


● "Even mentioned say her mama no like the guy cause he no get money and bla bla bla."

This is just her giving herself an excuse to cheat.

And a way to rope you into asking her out since by now she has given up on the idea that you'll fùck her that day


● "I just Dey vex inside like be like this girl think I’m a Mumu man that can be hooked. Anyway she went and I ended all conversation with her since then. I’m not stupid"


Yup, you clearly felt irritated and angry about her little games and tests. Which turned her off and dropped your value in her eyes.

She didn't see you as a mumu.

Remember this, no girl can see you as a mumu because she really doesn't know much about you.

It is only YOU that can make yourself look like a mumu

She was testing you (like she will do every guy in that situation)

If you had blazed through, your value will skyrocket in her eyes.

So, it's all about how you react

In this life (not just seduction) if you act confident and in charge, people will treat you that way.

Some people might test you like she did. But once you maintain that frame and remain unphased my her games and tests... she will fall into your frame

Remember the golden rule of frame:

The weaker frame will always give way and fall in line to the stronger one.

She's damaged. Nothing you can do about that.

I'm guessing she has a history of abusive exes. And your relationship with her is not up to a year.

With women like her, she's been conditioned to see bad treatment and toxicity as love. That's the only kind of love she's ever felt. So it has warped her reality and mindset to see things that way.

Acts of kindness and being overly loving will make her feel repulsed. And see you as weak and lower value.

Because the men she loved in the past treated her badly so that's what she's used to.

For you, reduce the too much kindness and too much love thing. Balance it with the toxic treatment.

65% toxic 35% kindness/loving. You'd be fine

Though if I were you, I'd break up with her and guide her towards therapy so she can help herself while I become her FWB.

But one thing you must never do is try to change or save her as her boyfriend. It will never work

luminouz:
@Rizzputin

How is your submission on vetting different from mine?

I went through again so I'm not sure which one you're referring to. BUT this is the one I took note of:
"I'm referring to a gf situation. A properly vetted woman is who you call your wife"


The thing is, a properly vetted woman is who you call your gf and/or wife

You don't want to be entering a relationship with a woman that is not properly vetted whether as a girlfriend or a wife.

In fact, a significant portion of vetting occurs BEFORE she becomes your girl.

Because while she's your gf... you'll spend time, money, energy and resources. And anything that requires such level of commitment should be a to a woman that's properly vetted.

One of the differences between a gf and wife is the level of commitment you're willing to give. Meaning she can't be treated as a wife when she's a gf. This is something I'll talk about later.

But vetting (a significant part) starts long before she becomes your gf.

It is assumed that before you made a woman your gf, you should have properly vetted her.

As a gf, she'll under go a few more vetting plus more investments, tests and commitment on her part

Before I head out, I scanned through the thread and noted two flawed assumptions about vetting women.

So let me share a few thoughts. In the evening, I'll drop two posts on Why you shouldn't be scared to make your girl cry AND Drama Divas. Both VERY important issues.

Now let's dive in....

The issue of vetting women has split men into different camps:

The first camp believes that women are the same. What's the point of vetting when, at the end, women will show you shege. Their belief is rooted in the idea that women are manipulative and will run you street given the chance.


The second camp believes gfs are vetted to become wives. To add to it, Gfs are not wives. And men should vet their gfs before marrying them.


Both camps are wrong. Though, the second one is a better ideology than the first.

Unless you have the bold ambition of being a monk or a reverend father. Or maybe you hate the idea of marriage or raising a family...

Then you absolutely MUST vet women. It's non-negotiable. In my post tonight on Drama Divas you'll see glaringly why vetting is important. Because even if she isn't a romantic partner... the wrong woman can send you into a downward spiral of hell and despair.


Contrary to the second camp beliefs, vetting doesn't start when a girl becomes your gf.

It starts from the moment you meet her with the intention of romance or sexual interest.

This is why I advocate tapping into your hook up material vibe. Meaning allowing yourself to feel that raw serial desire to knack a girl.

Even if you don't end up doing it, having this in mind let's you screen early and fast.

Now, the question you might be wondering is: What exactly am I vetting for?

● The most important thing you vet for in a gf and/or wife is long term potential, loyalty, devotion and respect.

Each of them is important. And are linked to each other. In my post "Your Premier League Guide to finding a loyal, devoted Gf" I broke down each of the steps from start to finish.

But in summary you want to promote and demote girls depending on how they meet your standards.


● You ask guys today if they vet their friends, business partners, associates and even roommates... and they'll tell you yes. Yet when it comes to vetting a woman they'll spend their time, energy and money on... they turn away.

This is foolish.

The idea that women are all the same is a paradox. This is why having extreme views similar to some in red pill doesn't make you Alpha. It blinds you to nuances. Making you prone to the same manipulations you're trying to avoid

Female nature, and humans too is filled with paradoxes. We trust a woman's actions but yet sometimes her words can reveal things about her. You have to spend time with woman and give her some attention to seduce her... yet giving attention can set you behind and make you look desperate.

All of the above are paradoxes. So is the the concept of women are all the same.

Yes they are the same. But at the same time, they're different.

To believe all women act all the same way in all situations to the same degree is a fantastic way to build a castle of delusions.

Women are different just as they are the same.


● In vetting women, you want to have a higher odds approach.

Some of my vetting tests include: she has a history of cheating - if she has cheated on any of her bfs in the past, absolute no. Her level of loyalty to her parents, father, friends. She speaks bad about her dad, absolutely not. She has a promiscuous past - anything more than 5 is a no go area. And this includes blow jóbs, fingering and anal.

She has no female friends and complains how men are so much better than woman to the point that women are bad people. Another red flag.

Her past relationships are also a way to vet what she's like

These are some of mine vetting process.

● In addition to vetting, I give her tests and ask specific questions and listen to her answers. Then I match her actions with her answers.

If there's a consistent occurrence of her words not matching her actions, she cannot be trusted. I will not tell her obviously but she'll be relegated as a fúck buddy for as long as she has access to my díck.

Another test I do is how she carries herself in public both when I'm around and when she's not.



If you notice in all of these, I did not mention a virgin. Because it is meaningless.

Social responsibility, stigma and pressure suppress women's sexual desires and behaviours way more than men.

That's why so many women, get with Virgins only to unlock sides of hers both him and her never thought she had.

Of course there are ways to find out these things from Virgins but it requires more skill and time. Something majority of guys are not equipped with. And frankly don't bother with because they think they've hit the virginity jack pot

Enjoy your day

Welcome to the wild wild West of dating. You've received your first break fast.

If you don't pay close attention to the words that follow next on my post... you'll experience more breakfast.

Now let's address your situation so you know where you fùcked up. Because while a lot of guys will blame the woman. You are the problem.

How? Let's dive in...


● Never under any circumstance agree to date a girl you haven't fùcked. Sex is the number one way girls manipulate a man.

In fact, a woman will test to see how much of a mugù you her by throwing the "no sex, I'm a virgin" card. If you agree, she has seen another clown to manipulate.


● This is why she had the boldness to stroll with another guy and cuddle him.

And then to "gist" you about him. Any time a girl you're romantically invested in brings up another guy, act uninterested and bored then change the topic

Your second mistake was entertaining the gist of another guy to the point he was the topic of majority of your conversations. Your first was agreeing to date her without sex


● Next point, if you have the balls & stomach for it... demote her to a fùck buddy or friend's with benefits.

You'll be surprised she's not a virgin. And never was. The guy in question has been fùcking her all these while.


● You do NOT understand womanese. Majority of the time when a girl says these about another guy, she wants to fùck him or already is:

"How can I like that guy have you seen him" "I hate that guy he disgusts me. He's such a pervert" "I don't feel anything about that guy. He means nothing to me"

Once you hear those statements beware. I'll dive deeper in a thread about "meaningless dìcks" so you understand why

But one thing is for sure that guy is blowing her back out. Also, while she's crying and begging you... his dick is probably lodged inside mouth. Trust me I know

One time a girl was sucking mu dìck crying to her bf that she misses him and is sorry. Her tears were touching my dìck and she was sùcking. So don't believe those tears


● Lastly, Women are loyal to their feelings NOT your sacrifices.

As men, we're logical. If a guy come through for us we remember it. Women on the other hand are different. They're emotional

Now, this isn't necessarily a bad thing. It just means you'll have to learn how to handle them.

Sexual desire doesn't care that you bought her an apartment. It doesn't care that you subbed her line. It doesn't care that you sold your father's land for her.

If she has tingles and feelings for another nigga... she will fùck him... regardless of your sacrifice


Anyways, that's it for now... Good thing you ended things.

If you like, you can make her a friends with benefits and discover more lies she told you

Or even better... be fùcking her while she does the same thing she did to you to her new bf

You'll realise she never changed. And all her tears are just to manipulate you.

You won't hate women after you do this (if you're smart). I don't expect or want you to hate or avoid women.

Rather you'll have a better understanding of how women are so you can enjoy their feminine energy and presence

Pukkalolo:
I'm sorry, I had to cut out some parts.

But I read it and I get your point: in summary, you are still make the argument that guys should be focused on the pussy.

Again, I'm not surprised. I expect you to disagree. Back in the days I'd also counter back to anybody telling me not to focus on the pussy. So I understand


Ok, let's begin again...

So you're advising guys to think with their dicks and focus on the pussy.

If you've dealt with different guys pertaining their dating life, you will realize that most guys are already thinking with their dicks and always focus on the pussy. But despite that they are still not enjoying the romantic success they want.


To be frank, this is not the only online space I teach game with women... I've gotten countless messages, PM, DM, email from guys telling me their issues with women and asking for my advice. I often see similar pattern. It's the still some how related to the same problem: focusing on the pussy.


Even offline, guys have met me, asking for my advice on some woman frustrating them... It's still almost the same pattern: focusing on the pussy, and not being attention focused.

You said something I like tho, you said,
"Seduction is like a game. You are both dancers and players in that game. The goal of seduction is to fùck her."

And you said


"Seduction is a dance between two people. You are both seducing each other because you are both interested. "


But that's the problem...

Because the truth is,

If a girl has zero interest in you, then no amount of seduction moves in the world can help suddenly make her interested; you are going to only waste your time, effort and money trying to seduce or woo her.

See, Rizzputin, I've seen this numbers of time where a guy will tell me about a girl who's not cooperating despite all his game, tactics and seductions..... Then after asking for more details about their own whole interaction, I'll observe that the girl was never even interested in him to begin with, she was just busy toying with his emotions and wasting his time.

And that's my problem with many guys: they don't want to accept that some girls will not be interested. And since they don't want to accept that, they buy into the false hope that if they have the right seduction tactics, then they can be able to get any girl they want.


But that's bullshit. That's total scam.


I think this why most guys I've worked with on one a one on improving their game with women always comeback telling me:

"Chris, you are the real deal"

"Pukka, you too legit die"

"Wow, you've solve the missing piece in my game"


Here's why:


#1. First, I tell them to stop worrying about trying get laid and to stop being focused on the pussy, because that's what causing them to experience fear and that's what's causing their game to be weak.

#2. Second, I teach them how to quickly find out within minutes in the very first conversation if the woman will be interested and not a timewaster. And if the girl is somewhat interested, I show him how to make her sexually comfortable with him and get her craving for his attention.




This why first and foremost, I teach men how quickly find out if the woman is really interested and not a timewaster. That's should be your first focused and concern.





Again, this reason why most guys who I've worked with trust me, because I'm very realistic:

I straightforwardly tell them that "As a guy, not every girl will be interested in you regardless of anything you do. You also have to understand that there are lots of girls out there who are times wasters and who are just looking to manipulate and exploit you.

So the GOAL is not to try to seduce every girl in to fucking you. But rather the GOAL is to find out if she'll be down or interested in you, so you can save yourself unnecessary headache, and only pull the trigger with a girl who's somewhat interested."

Again,

if a girl isn't interested in you, then no amount of game, redpill and seduction move in the world can help the situation, you are going to only waste your time, effort and money.

But, if you are conversing with a girl who has interest in you, then you don't really need seduction or any other pua/game crap, you just need to make her feel sexually comfortable/safe and move the interaction forward.



I love comparing sales and romance because I'm in both world. And because they both involved getting people to accept deal you are offering.

On the island where I do my run-around, I've top sales guys as friends who close big deals. When I ask them about their secret, they tell me that the goal isn't to really close the sales, but rather the goal is to find out if they talking to RIGHT PROSPECT who can afford what they are offering and who had some interest in it.


According, to one of them, he told me, "there's nothing more foolish than trying to sell to a person who has no interest in what you're offering."

But,

If you're selling the products/service to the prospect that want it and you make them feel assured that your product will truly solve their problem, then the customer will close the sales for you and he/she will practically throw the money at you."


Same with dating and women.


There's nothing more foolish than trying to seduce a girl who has no interest in what you are offering.

Your romantic success has nothing do with having the goal to fuvk to a woman. Having the goal of fucking the girl doesn't help you get the girl. Many guys already have the goal of fucking the girl, but still, they are not fucking her, they are instead jerking off to porn.



Just like those top sales guys, The goal ISN'T to really Bleep the girl or even make her your girlfriend, but rather THE GOAL is to find out if you're conversing with a woman who has real interest in you and who has the potential to be down with what you are offering.


Because if you're conversing with a girl that has interest in you and you make feel sexualy safe/comfortable with you, she'll practically throw the pussy you.

Once again you're misunderstanding the whole point of seduction.

Thinking with your dìck or pussy focus is simply allowing yourself to feel that raw sexual desire. Not hiding behind "attention focus" or "being a powerful guy"

Sexual desire is an energy. And energy can be transferred. Seduction is transferring these sexual desire in a smooth way to the point she feels the same way for you.

Now, let's address your opinions because you still have some wrong views of female nature and seduction.


● Firstly, most guys definitely think with their dìck and get no success because most guys are average or below.

Thinking with your díck is about desire. NOT desperation. Now, because most guys are average and beginners, they find it difficult to contain this energy and control it.

So they act desperate. They chase and chase and chase. They show their cards either too soon or in a poor way. Then the girl runs away.

This is not a problem with the principle. This is a problem with guy trying to practice the principle. The principle of thinking about fùcking her works brilliantly. But only if you know what you're doing.




● Secondly, you just mentioned another red pill/alpha male myth: "If a girl has zero interest in you, no seduction will work her"

This is an oversimplistic and shallow version of what female interest looks like.

You should probably know that a girl can be interested in a guy. Only for the guy to do or say something that makes that interest disappear.

The popular meme proves this: "Some people look so interesting until they open their mouth or you get to know them"

This is how female interest works. A girl can be absolutely uninterested in you but then discovers something about you and all of a sudden she's interested. Maybe she discovered something cool about you. Maybe she saw you with cute girls. Maybe she was in a bad mood

Most of the time, girls don't necessarily reject the guy per se. They reject the situation or the way the guy approached.


●Thirdly... The last line brings me to my next point. Most guys have little understanding of game and seduction.

It's an error to prove the validity of a weapon or a tactic in the hands of amateurs.

Could it be the tactic was bad or the person using it doesn't know how to apply it? In majority of cases, it's the latter. Most guys have little understanding on what to do or say.

They fumble repeatedly without knowing that they've fumbled then they come out and say "game & seduction tactics don't work"


Some subtle examples:

- Girl sends green light to a guy. Guy sees this and thinks he can approach any how Thinking she'll agree because she is already interested. He approaches in an average or bad way, gets attitude or rejected = Fumble

- Girl flakes on guy. Guy sends a text telling her how rude she is for wasting his time. Girl ignores him = Fumble

- Guy tries to force similarities with a girl = Fumble

- Guy sends hey... how are you doing or ask stupìd questions like "what do you bring to the table" because he saw it on red pill tik tok = Fumble

Many ways in which guys Fumble without realising they've fumbled. I see it ALL the time.

In fact, sometimes a girl is somewhat interested only for the guy to act desperate and make her interest drop. Most times the guy does this early without realising Thinking he has got away with it...

Only for the problem to surface later. The guy will have no clue that the issue started much much earlier.


● Fourthly, you can NOT seduce every girl to fùck you. Neither should you be trying to because once you have standards man... you automatically filter out some people.

Also, some girls won't be interested in you for whatever reason beyond your control. But for majority of guys, they're game or seduction skills plays the biggest role in a girl's interest level

● Fifthly, I will repeat again. The GOAL of seduction is to fùck her.

Seeing if she's interested in you or she meets your standards is a FILTER PROCESS or SCREENING process to achieve that goal.

What you're referring to as the goal is more like a mini-goal (filtering, screening) to achieve the Main GOAL which is fùcking her

Don't confuse the two.


● Sixthly, you're contradicting yourself when you say "if a girl is interested in you, you don't need seduction or game. You need to make her feel sexually comfortable/safe and move the interaction forward"


What you just described is seduction and game. Making a girl feel sexually comfortable is part of seduction. Moving the interaction forward is part of game.

● Having a goal of fùcking a woman not only let's you focus on what's important in seduction... it makes fùcking her happen faster.


Again, for the 100th time at this point... guys that think of fùcking a girl but fail are beginners or act desperate.

Desire is NOT desperation. Thinking of fùcking a girl doesn't mean you should be thirsty.


● In sales, finding the right prospect is also a filtering process.

It's a process that helps them closing the sale easier.

Closing the sale is the goal but to achieve that, they'll need to screen out people that are not the right fit.


Seduction and sales is to figure what you want: Fùcking her & closing. Then working your way backwards to filter out people that meet up.

If you're not clear on what you want, you will have a hard time filtering for people that fit into your life.

In sales, there's something called "The closers mindset"

The ability to find loop holes to make the sale(think seduction) happen as fast and as smooth as humanly possible.

It requires wit, quick thinking, an eye for golden opportunity, creativity, strategy, efficient screening and forward process... all of these help you achieve the goal of closing & fùcking

Pukkalolo:
When you said,

"Some people will tell you not to "think with your díck" OR not to "Focus on her pùssy"


I know you're indirectly referring to me, because we know already I often say, "stop being pussy focused, instead be attention focused"



I'm not surprised that some guys will disagree with me on this, because back in the days, I would also disagree with myself.


But when I got to a level of confidence, sexual experience and maturity, I understood that---

A true powerful guy doesn't think with his dick.

A true confident guy is not pussy focused.

A true dominant guy doesn't have a goal of fucking her, he has a different goal entirely.

You'll find out what that goal is in a moment....Read on.



When I tell some guys to stop being pussy focused and to stop thinking with their dicks, their emotions get triggered and they try to disagree with me just like you are doing now.


Well, it's not your fault, it's the society fault. The media and society have brain washed men to believe that a woman's pussy is a highly valuable commodity that must be chased and acquired. This is why most men think with their dicks.




Thinking with your díck" OR being "Focus on her pùssy happens to be the biggest roadblock preventing most guys from even getting the pussy.


Here's how....


If you've read Stephen R. Covey's The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People. He talked about something which really resonate with this issue.


Covey says that the more you concentrate on factors out of your control, the more your degree of "influence" is going to decrease. And Covey says that the more you concentrate on factors that are within your direct control, the greater your degree of influence increases.


As man, having access to a woman's pussy is totally out your control because it's the woman that "decide" if you'll get the sex or not. Anything that a woman has to "agree to" or has some degree of decision-making power is NOT in your direct control.


When you focus on something(pussy) which is out of your control, that thing(pussy) controls you.


So if you're thinking with your díck OR you're focus on her pùssy, then she controls you.


If you've read the "THE POWER OF PUSSY" by Kathy.


In that book, she literally said "most guys are pussy focused, so if you want exploit, manipulate and control men, you have to leverage the power of your pussy. The tactics in that book is so devilish. The idea in the book is to get the man to think with his dick and focus on the pussy, because that's the only way the woman can manipulate and control him.


Isn't it funny how these generation of men is the weakest and least respected by women. One reason for that is because these generation of men think with their dicks and they value the pussy more than their time and self-respect.


One thing I discovered is that most times, the guy who is struggling to get the girl is struggling because he has the desperate goal of fùcking her. Because, to him fucking her is the prize to win, so he view getting the pussy as winning and he view NOT getting the pussy as losing.


To define winning by getting the pussy is putting your power and self-worth in the hands of the woman.


If a woman has the POWER to make you a winner or loser by simply giving you the pussy or NOT giving you, then she will use that power against you to toy with your emotions and manipulate you.



If you want to be truly POWERFUL with women and get them follow your lead as the leader, then you need to eradicate low value mindset.


Thinking with your dick or focusing on the pussy is a low value mindset.


You are not supposed be worried about getting the pussy. The woman should be the one worrying if she should give you the pussy or not.


Your job is to be at your most powerful behavior. Her job is to seduce and mate with the powerful guy.


As a guy, if you have to be the one to seduce her, then you're doing something fundamentally wrong.


A powerful guy doesn't seduce the woman because he's the GREAT CATCH to be won over. Instead he gives the woman the opportunity and chance to seduce him. It's the woman's job to seduce you.


Women are the ultimate seducers. But Women are not seducing because men are pussy focused, trying to seduce the women.


Look, the true Power lies with the one who is being seduced not the one seducing. In that case, True game is the ability to get the woman to be the seducer and chaser. She has to be the one craving for your attention; NOT you craving for her pussy.



Just yesterday, this dark cute lady literally told me, "if you make me your girlfriend, you are gonna enjoy me..." (I guess I have talked about how I met her somewhere on this thread where I was asked about the topic relating to "engaging in small talks vs having deep conversations with a good girl"


The other day another girl was telling me, "you this big head, I gave you my phone number but you never cared to even call me."


Again, Last week another lady was telling me, "you don't want me to come to your house, right?... A fine girl like me wants to visit you, you are doing shakara."



Now, the reason why these ladies are craving for my attention is because I'm not focus on their pussy. I treat their pussies like it worthless to me. This literally drives them crazy and get them confused because they rarely see a guy who's not thinking with his dick and doesn't give a fuvk flying about getting their pussies.





To wrap it up,


To win with women, the pussy has to naturally come to you; NOT you being focused on it or trying to calculatedly seduce your way to get it.


This is very important.


Treat women like humans, and not like some "pussy prize" or trophy to be won.


The GOAL is NOT to Bleep her. That's a childish goal. That kind of goal will make you feel WEAK and insecure because fucking her is not in your direct control.


Rather THE GOAL is to simply find out if she's truly interested you and if she's even worth your attention. That kind of goal will make you come across as mature, assertive and confident. Because you are treating your attention as the prize to be won, not her pussy.




Now, most guys won't quickly or easily grab all this concept have just written because they are not socially conditioned to think this way; instead they've been socially programmed to be focused on the pussy and to think with their dicks.


This is way deeper, and It will take some experience and paradigm shift before a guy can truly apply this mindset.


But just bookmark or save this page because I believe I have planted a seed in your mind; one day the seed with germinate and you'll experience a mindset shift and you will look back for this post and say, "Wow! Pukka was right all this while, a guy shouldn't be pussy focused."


Stay blessed.

Pay very close attention to every word that follows because you seem to greatly misunderstand my point and also what seduction is all about.

But I understand, it's common for guys to swing from one view to another as their experience increases until they land at a more realistic and accurate view point.

Now, let me address your opinions so we don't have a misunderstanding in the future. And so not only but others have a strong grasp of what seduction is. Btw, your comment just gave me an idea to write on Myths and lies of Alpha male & Red pill. You are repeating some of their talking points and I'll address them here but in much detail later.

So, let's dive in shall we....


●<<I know you're indirectly referring to me, because we know already I often say, "stop being pussy focused, instead be attention focused">>

Not just you. The theme of not focusing on pùssy has been beaten to death by alpha male and red piller alike.

What you and them don't realise are such rules for beginners in the game. Why? Because men new to seduction will think about pùssy and get desperate.

A true master has had so much pùssy that he can break those rules. I can think about fùcking a girl or rather, her wanting to fùck me and still keep my cool.

Yes, I want to fùck her but I'm perfectly fine if it doesn't happen. That's the vibe you convey. Hiding your díck behind things like "focus on attention not pussy" is a sign of weakness.

She's not an idìot. She knows the reason why you're talking to her is that you find her sexually attractive. You don't have to hide it. You show it without looking desperate. This is something beginners find it hard to do that's why they're advised not to focus on it


But with time and experience, you can totally focus on it. Then test her to see if she meets your standards. Be aware that you thinking of fùcking her doesn't mean you'll give her the pleasure of doing it.

She might fail to meet your standards and in that case, you simply next her.



● <<<A true powerful guy doesn't think with his dick.

A true confident guy is not pussy focused.

A true dominant guy doesn't have a goal of fucking her, he has a different goal entirely. >>>


Here we go again with more alpha male rhetoric. Well, news flash.... girls know when you play these unnecessary games to look tough or alpha. She's not buying it.

While you're busy trying to look "powerful" She's getting dug out by a smooth guy who knows how to move fast without breaking things.

Many alpha male guys today are so obsessed with respect and looking tough, they've become a slave to it.

Recently, I had a girl tell me about a guy who didn't "double text" she liked the guy but I double texted her and not long after we fùcked ourselves in her apartment

I'll repeat again: You get so good at something you break the rules. Masters get good enough they break rules beginners religiously follow with little to no consequences

Another useless rule I've seen parroted about is "if she takes 10 mins to reply, you take 30 mins" LOL. I could care less. I do not pay attention to such nonsense because it's not important.

And girls know when you play these unnecessary childish games. The main thing that matters is compliance. That is, when she responds does she do so in a way that moves the relationship forward AND when you tell her to see you, does she come out to do so. Every other thing is noise.


●<<<<< If you've read Stephen R. Covey's The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People. He talked about something which really resonate with this issue. >>>


Stephen Covey is good for leadership not seduction. It surprises me when guys learn from people who are not living the life they want.

He's not someone who is proficient as seducing women. Some of His advice on leadership might overlap into seduction but he will miss SO MANY nuances you can only gain from experience.



● <<<<<Covey says that the more you concentrate on factors out of your control, the more your degree of "influence" is going to decrease. And Covey says that the more you concentrate on factors that are within your direct control, the greater your degree of influence increases.>>>>


This is a very poor translation of what "factors in your control or not" means in seduction.

This is what it actually means:

Factors out of your control: How many guys in her life, her mood when she wakes up in the morning, your natural looks & genetics.

Factors in your control: Your confidence, your conversational & seduction skills, your game, how you react to things, your standards.



● <<<<"most guys are pussy focused, so if you want exploit, manipulate and control men, you have to leverage the power of your pussy.>>>

What this means is to NOT be desperate.

When I say focus on pùssy, I mean not trying to be her friend or trying to please her or trying enter meaningless mind games with her.

Focus pussy means becoming a hook up material. Meaning, you want to fùck. And she wants to fùck. All you do is to channel her desire to fùck to you. That is seduction.


● <<<One thing I discovered is that most times, the guy who is struggling to get the girl is struggling because he has the desperate goal of fùcking her>>>

Desperation is NOT the same desire. You desire to fùck and if done right, she will feel it and want it to.

This Is NOT the same as desperation. A real man(think seducer) owns and expresses his desires but he is NOT desperate about it.


● <<<<<Your job is to be at your most powerful behavior. Her job is to seduce and mate with the powerful guy.


As a guy, if you have to be the one to seduce her, then you're doing something fundamentally wrong.


A powerful guy doesn't seduce the woman because he's the GREAT CATCH to be won over. Instead he gives the woman the opportunity and chance to seduce him. It's the woman's job to seduce you>>>>


You guys really love this "powerful guy" thing as a way to stroke your ego.

Saying a powerful guy doesn't seduce the woman is the type of crap that prevents men from actually leading and being proactive

Seduction is a dance between two people. She seduces you with her charm, feminine energy AND you seduce her with your masculine presence, leadership and charm as well.

You are both seducing each other because you are both interested. The reason why the focus is on the man as the seducer is because he has to lead. He has to lead the conversation, the vibe, the energy, the progress.

If he doesn't lead, nothing will happen. That is why the ball is on the man's court to make it happen.

Seduction is like a game. You are both dancers and players in that game
You both have to seduce each other. She looks at you and makes eye contact, the game starts. That's her attempt to seduce you. You walk up to her and talk to her ... you've subtly declared interested and you start seducing her. This dance will continue subtly under YOUR leadership as a man till you fùck her

Desperation is when you don't also give her the chance to seduce you as well.


● <<<<The other day another girl was telling me, "you this big head, I gave you my phone number but you never cared to even call me.">>>

I'm not going to copy out the rest of others.

But This is another myth I'll be talking about in detail. You are obsessed with Reactions over Results.

Any experienced seducer will tell you that all of these don't matter. She can tell you this and the moment you call or text she runs away.

She can ask why you haven't invited her over only for her to decline when you do so. All these you wrote are called: "Reactions"

Sure, they can be helpful but they are largely meaningless because the main result that matters is: Fùcking her.

Every other thing is noise.

Oh wow she replied fast to your text. She's chasing you hard. She's asking about your day. She wants to come visit. She gives you money. These are all Reactions. Yes, positive ones. But they are not a guarantee of the result: fùcking her.

Getting hung up on them like real progress is amateurish. I've experienced more times than I can count that I'm not moved

Girls have told me "I'm obsessed with you" "You're like a guy from all these sex novels... I can't wait till I kiss you"

I am barely moved. Why? Because those are just Reactions.

Seduction is truly complete when you fùck her. Do you know why? Because it is only after you've fùcked a girl that she starts to really tell you the truth about herself. Even if you're a non judgmental person before sleeping with her... you will be surprised at the extra things she'll tell you after sleeping together.


Also, the reason why you get these "Reactions" is because you're probably in a school environment or work place where she gets to see you over and over again probably with other girls.

It's fine. Social proof is a blessing. But there are other guys moving faster and banging her because they're more intuitive and have a killer mindset.

You also wouldn't have this Lee way if you lived in the city where social proof is tougher to create. Attraction would have gone cold in your attempt to stay "powerful"

● <<<<Now, the reason why these ladies are craving for my attention is because I'm not focus on their pussy>>>

While they are craving your attention, they're craving another man's dìck and sucking it.

Again, craving your attention is a reaction. Seduction is for her craving your dìck inside her.

● <<<Treat women like humans, and not like some "pussy prize" or trophy to be won.>>

Wanting to fùck a woman is treating her like a human. Because she has sexual needs that wants to be satisfied.

You being able to recognise is seeing her as a real sexual human. And she'll appreciate you for it.

I'll be writing a thread on "Meaningless dìck" to explain this further for you


● <<<Rather THE GOAL is to simply find out if she's truly interested you and if she's even worth your attention>>>

The goal of seduction is to fùck her. You are certainly not talking to her to see if she'll be a good table tennis partner.

You're talking to her to if she's worthy of enough to be your fùck partner.

Finding out if she's truly interested in you or if she's worth your attention are ways to achieve that goal.


Anyways, all of these should help you reorganise your mindset on what really matters in seduction

Because it all starts from the mind. And thoughts become things eventually

wahaladondey:
Gentlemen of the manosphere, I am about to ask one of the most timeless questions ever, I hope you all don’t mind that this question has been asked and answered countlessly and just try to help me in whatever capacity you can. Lately, I have found myself in one of the most socially packed communities, a school, I am aware that this is one of the few places game works efficiently because of the nature of its build and that is why I want to grasp this opportunity to boost my social life and skills but on every normal day I am a very introverted person, almost bordering on low self-esteem.

How do I start and maintain a conversation with a lady I find attractive? I am not the best conversationalist, I get fidgety and fear I might sound or look stupid whenever I engage in a conversation, externally I seem to exude some form of confidence but internally I’m usually just breaking down.

How do I steer the conversations in a more sexual direction? My hurtful degree of self awareness keeps a tight rope around what I feel I should be socially acceptable to say or not, it makes me not want to come across as offensive or perverted.

I want to build up on whatever advices I can get, make them practical and deliver results to this forum, thanks in anticipation.

I would further edit this post if I have more questions.

Karlifate
luminouz
Rizzputin
Martinez39s
Pukkalolo
Ubunja
and other real gees on this thread in no particular order.

Yes, you're right. Schools, universities and colleges are excellent places to improve your social skills and game.

And by game, I mean becoming a hook up material women desire to fúck.

Conversational management is a wide topic that a post won't do enough justice too.

But to get you something to start with... here are few rules to follow:


● Talk about celebrity gossips & relationships. And don't be shy to give your sexual and non-sexual opinions in a smooth way. For sexual example:

- NOT smooth: "Fùcking is a must in a relationship. I must fùck my girl tire."

- Smooth: "Relationships without sex just makes the spark to die off fast. It's always cool/fun when you can teach other things too. Don't you agree?"

● Don't act unsure of yourself and don't try to agree with her on everything. Feel free to genuinely disagree with her on issues

Even if you're eventually wrong on something, you can deflect it with humor or just ignore.

● Resist the urge to force similarities. Meaning, if she says she likes this food... don't be quick to always rush and say you like it too. She will feel like you're trying too hard

● Speak to girls with authority. Like your her boss. But more like a boss that cares about her. Not a wicked one


● Have a goal of fùcking her. Some people will tell you not to "think with your díck" OR not to "Focus on her pùssy"

I completely disagree with this. Seduction is largely about transfer of emotions. You want to transfer your emotions to her. That's why when you feel relaxed, she feels relaxed. You feel comfortable, she feels comfortable. And likewise, if you feel Hot, she feels Hot.

Picture yourself fùcking her while for a few seconds and show it in your reaction for like 3 seconds. Trust me, she will feel what your feeling. It's best to do this when the topic is non-sexual so you don't come off to strong

Another reason why I tell guys to have a goal in mind of fùcking her is that with time, your brain and body starts to filter out topics, reactions etc that don't help you achieve this goal.

Your brain will automatically switch to hook up mode. This how I'm able to sleep with girls fast regularly(within hours, days, weeks)

With time you'll be able to avoid topics that don't steer towards fùcking her.


● Pass all her shìt tests by simply ignoring or making fun of it. Once a girl starts testing you, you can bet she's interested. Simply act nonchalant, ignore and continue the conversation


● You must also test her too. Testing her shows you have standards. And every girl likes a man with standards


● Pay attention to her actions and body language more than her words. They never lie


● Frame is everything. Have a masculine frame with boundaries. Creating and maintaining boundaries brings respect. But don't be dictatorial about it. Meaning, don't create unrealistic and fóolish boundaries that make you look fake or try hard.

Frame is bigger than just masculine and dominance tho. If I don't post something on frames tonight... I'll do it within the
week

It's something for you to keep an eye out for.


● Understand that girls love and want to be seduced. Also, they're hoping that the next guy they meet will be one smooth, sweet guy they can act out their fantasies with.

They love sex. And want to get fùcked. A lot of them are Hot as hell. This should calm you a bit in your conversation. She likes and enjoys sex just as much as you. She might pretend at first but don't fall for it


● Never tell her you love her (in a serious way) or ask for relationship.

The ultimate female fantasy is to one day openly confess and express how much she likes a guy

By expressing your feelings first, you rob her of that fantasy and she punishes you with manipulation, Billing etc


There's a couple more of these but these should get you started in the right direction.

Along with other stuffs you've probably read already

F1re:
What's up guys, trust you're doing fine.

There's this lady(27yo, virgin) in my School, I'm a Teacher by the way(23yo), that became very obsessed with me, we once met at a Tech event where I was part of the Speakers, we didn't talk then, till she came to my School for an assignment, she saw me and reintroduced herself to me, I was like 'oh okay, what's up?' you know trying to be friendly, we got talking about stuffs, she told me she wants to learn how to code and if I can help her out, I said Yes, because I have free time on my hands, so she started coming around and I started teaching her the basics, she collected my Mobile Number and chatted me up, at a point she kind of become obsessed with me, she's always the one to chat me up first, calls me and give me chocolate during our lessons and all, bro i started having feelings for her, but I keep them in check and just flow with her.

She then travelled to Abuja at a point and things slowed down, I wasn't invested in her that much so it didn't bother me much, after she came back we continued our lessons and all, mind you, these lessons are more like 30% lessons and 70% gists(Relationships, Sex, Marriage, Life in general), I'm a good conversationalist so I got her to open up to me and all.

Then something happened last week, which is the main reason I'm writing this, she came to my office and I was sent on errand, I told her to wait for me that I'll be back and all, she said she promised she will, I didn't even ask her to swear lols, but when I came back, I found out that she had left already, it hurt me so bad, I was surprised at myself like why I'm I hurt like this because of this little stuffs.

And from that day till today, she haven't call me, I didn't check my Whatsapp either from that day, because I decide to switch my Whatsapp line due to disturbance of other low value people on my contact list, but the point is, she ghosted me, and she didn't come to work(she's not a Teacher, kind of working with an NGO, so their work isn't obligatory like mine), I didn't call her either because there's no reason to.

Now, the problem is I can't get her out of my mind, I'm a big fan of Stoicism and I've got help from applying some of its concepts in my life, but this time around it's just difficult, my mind will just be wandering towards all the good times we had and the 'Stupid' mental projections I was having in my brain about us, I'll forever not gonna call her or text her though, but I want to forget about all of that and get back to work, like I was before she came into my life.

Also, I've never kissed or touched her, because I've got some principles I live by and I'm currently working on some stuffs that will put me out in public soon, I'm very careful about my reputation, I've also never spend a dime on her, she's even the one that was begging on buying me stuffs when she came back from Abuja the other time, had to decline the offer.

Is it scarcity mindset? I don't know, but I've never been the one to chase girls right out of secondary school, they always come to me, just that right now, I don't have an active social life and I'm all by myself so I don't have any girls around that I talk to.

What do y'all have to say about this.

I'll tag my favorite posters here: Pansophist, Karlifate, luminouz, smartb0y, reminderz, caveadullam, olamoses75, please I could use some of your help, thanks.

As I read through, I felt a sense of pity. Not for you, but for her. You've sent a through a rollercoaster of emotions, made her like you. Yet, you don't want to pull the trigger.

Lord knows how disappointed and frustrated she is. Right now, she wants to either be your friend with benefits(fùck buddy) or your girlfriend. If you don't want that, no point calling her or reading further. Because at this point from the way things went down, she's in her feelings so she can't be your friend.

However, if you want either of the two then read on further.

As you've rightly diagnosed, you have oneitis. But not just that. Your ego probably made you believe that since she's head over heels for you... she'll be obsessed she'll do anything (wait for you, buy you stuff, send you money)

Well, if you look at the foodstuffs in your house... you'll notice an expiry date. Likewise, lust, passion, attraction and obsession ALL have an expiry date. And if you fail to act when things are on... she'll get to resent you. And feel disappointed. Like you don't take her serious.

In your case, it's not clear if her feelings for you have expired. So you'll have to call to find out. Further down, I'll tell you how to go about it. But before then, I'd like to correct three notions.

First, Stoicism doesn't mean you shouldn't feel emotions. You're human so it's impossible not to feel. Even psychopaths feel. Only an idiòt will assume being stoic means not feeling anything. This is among the many reasons I see the redpill is a doctrine of half-truths.

Feel but don't overreact or let your emotions control you.

Secondly, with the way you seduced her along with the fact that you haven't had pre-intimacy with her... you can't be sure she's a virgin. I will not be surprised if you eventually find out she's not.

And lastly, if someone asked who ghosted who, she'll say you did. Girls are emotional blamers. And will blame you for virtually almost everything both good and bad.

Sweet seduction that leads to sex? He was just different. Bad date where she doesn't contribute to the convo? He was boring. Even if the fault or reason is from her... in her mind, she'll make you responsible.

In many ways, this can work in your favour. Right now, she's going through guilt and disappointment. Here's what what guys dont know: If a girl likes you or is just a bit interested and she delays in getting back to you... she starts to feel guilty. She'll wonder if you're angry. Or if you'll lash out at her. Or if you'll return the energy and not reply as well. So most just sit there feeling disappointed and annoyed at the situation till time passes.

That's why the right move at this moment is to call. How? Let's find out


>>>>>>>Your next Moves>>>>>>>>

Like I told you we're not sure if her feelings for you have expired.

But if they have, you can bring it back 95% of the time.

So how do we know?

● When you call her (not more than twice) just check up on her and see how she's doing.... if she says anything like "oh you now remember me" OR "like you even care" Just ask how she's doing... in a warm, caring way. Don't logically reply to those her comments. Just ignore and warmly ask how she's doing. This reaction means her feelings are almost expired completely. Probably just a few left

Now if she's cold with bad or negative energy, her feelings have expired completely. She's officially in the resentment spot. But don't take it seriously. Don't act angry or sad or feel bad. Warmly address how she's feeling and the situation without blaming yourself course. By blaming yourself, I mean don't say anything like "I wanted to call you" or "I should have called it's my fault. Basically don't say anything that blames you.

Just address the situation between you two... express how you don't like it because you actually fúck with her. At this point, she'll soften up or warm up a bit to a point where you can continue and steer the conversation towards you meeting her again.

Now, all of this is for if you still want her in your life as a FWB or girlfriend. Because she'll not accept to be just your friend. It's too late for that.

You are right for breaking up. She saw you as a boyfriend or husband material (very bad). Instead of her to see you as hook up material. That is someone she has strong desire and urge to fùck

She saw your colleague as a hook up material and fúvked him tirelessly because that's how he made her feel. There's a very strong chance it wasn't even a ONS but many rounds and nights of sex.

She manipulated by making you wait for sex by telling you how special you are. You're probably someone that demands respect a lot from your woman.

So she tried stroking your ego by saying you're special to make you wait.

Another tactic she could have deployed is to tell you that sex makes her feel dirty. Or that she wants to wait for the right time. All the while she'll be getting blown out by another nigga.

Always, remember, no sex ... no relationship. And she must have a strong desire & urge to fùvk you and do it continuously.

That's what I meant up there by you becoming a hook up material. And not a bf or husband material

Aesthetical:
if he divorces the woman, he’s coming back home to enjoy Tinubu shege

Well, it's a tough spot to be in all round. I guess he should stick out with jealousy tactics & using both families till he gets a backup plan that won't bring him back here

Anyways, just goes to show you how marrying the wrong woman can reduce you

Normally, I don't bother advising men like you. Because you're too weak & much of a simpson to see your HUGE mistakes

Worst of all, you'll rationalise your weakness and her bad behaviour to make it feel good in your head.

But I like taking risks. So I'll go out of my way to give you my thoughts and tips. Even though my mind is telling me you won't listen.

Anyways... let's get started:

● Your wife is cheating on you. My best guess is she's doing it with this guy you call "dude"

The problem with you Simps is how you search desperately for "concrete evidence" It's laughable. Especially when the signs are there. Her blatant disrespect & disloyalty has caused you "take a risk" that firmly puts her in control of your marriage.


● Start saving money from your job to get a new apartment.

The last thing you want is to wake up one day to find out your homeless. The only reasons you're not homeless already is because of one, your kids. And two, the dude fùcking her has no interest in taking her serious. He's using your precious wife as free fun.

But she might find someone else who will take her more seriously and they'll start plotting ways to kick you out.

On that note, save up some money. And take extra jobs so you can get a new apartment and move out.


● Get a female friend or two you can be seeing as well. Even better if she buys food for you or makes one.

Few things correct a girl's behaviour like jealousy. Let her know you have options and watch her behaviour slowly adjust.

Don't make her think you're fùcking them or suggest that. But highlight qualities in your new friends that you like and she's lacking. Qualities that'll make her a better wife and mother in the marriage.

If these women get you gifts or food, even better.


● Lastly, I'd consider the option of divorce or separation in my mind.

Cause without a doubt, she's cheating. But the third point I wrote above should her to act right.


To end it all, stop being such a weak simp

I would have just first date. But how long from when you meet a girl to a first date? 1 week? 4 weeks? A month or two?

For me, I aim to fùck a girl on the first date. So when do I set up a first date after meeting her? Really quickly

So for example, if I meet a girl on Monday, I set up the first date on Thursday. And sex happens.(80% of the time)

If it doesn't happen, I set up the second date 3 or 4 days later. And then it happens

Anything passed the second & third one, and the odds of sex happening drops significantly.

Jayzx:
No manual to relationship. Your points are good but a hoe will always be a hoe.

No manual. But there are best practices

BrodaBenad:
Boss you've said it all


I think I have so much placed my intersexual relationship on the basis of respect and responsibility and very little attention to seduction and a little vulnerability


Does it mean being vulnerable at times is a good thing when interacting with females?

The only person I'm vulnerable to is my mom

Apart from her . I love accountability and responsibility when interacting with females

My love language is mutual respect, responsibility and submissiveness .

I seriously never knew girls can feel intimidated

Well, they're humans. So of course, they can feel intimidated.

The word or mindset isn't necessarily "vulnerability" but try to be more human or genuine.

A little vulnerability here and there will make her feel like someone she can get. Which helps you in seducing her.

By vulnerability, I don't mean telling her about your problems or weaknesses.

There are other ways, you can show her a more human side of you

Respect & responsibility are great. But focusing too much on is anti-seductive.

And it signals to the girl that you don't get it. Or that you're not someone you'd love to hook up with


That's one of the downsides of red pill. The heavy and over focus on respect & responsibility to the detriment of seduction.

Anyways... Next time, try to be a bit more human in your conversations & experiences with women

BrodaBenad:
I have been taunted many times for having too much ego

Is that a shit test or do women feel intimidated when you're too confident or just admiration?

Please help me with an answer

If you've been fùcking these women that say you have too much ego, then yes, it's just a shìt test.

But if you haven't, then it's more than just a shìt test. It's an obstacle test or you call it a slight resistance (NOT rejection)

Women are humans like us. So yes, they get intimidated when your status is too high, your value is too high, your looks are too high or your personality is too high. And your attraction qualities are too high.

You might have heard guys say stuff like "that girl is not on my level" OR "that girl pass me"

There are Girls go through a similar internal thought process. Majority of Girls have self esteem issues. Doubt themselves, and are scared of rejection.

If Girls say your "ego is too much" it's just womanese for:

"I think you're way too confident or brash. I'm scared you might reject me in an awful way."

OR it could mean:

"You are just to wayyy up there for me. And it's hard for me to form a connection or chemistry with someone that's like 10,000 feet above me"


OR

"You're just to intimidating. I want to respect, love and lust for you. NOT fear you (because I won't be comfortable around you or be myself around you) "


Women love a challenge. They love it when you're hard to get. But if a game is impossible to pass or too tough to win, humans have a tendency to give up.

And in many cases, resent the game. That's why a lot of these women that say stuff like your ego is too much tend to start resenting you. Or avoiding you so they don't get their ego hurt

Your best bet is to envelope the hook up material mindset. Yes, you're worthy of someone with respect but you're socially smart. And emotionally intelligent.

Persuasion & seduction are more useful tools than trying to be respected.

When you try to hard to be respected rather than focusing on seduction or Persuasion, you encounter more obstacles like this one.

Sure you can overcome them. But a smooth seduction is always better.

A hook up material man understands this. Because to him, hooking up with her & banging her requires him to be seductive. And to this he has to navigate around her emotions.

Her being scared or intimidated by you is not a good emotion for seduction or a hook up.

Her feeling Hot for you, safe with you, and respecting is a great emotion for seducing & hooking up with her