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Bibline:
God bless u

Amen, thanks.

Gracebegatme:
So with this scriptural references, it seems you are in support of eating pork?

I stand where those scriptures stand.

Gracebegatme:
But Jesus categorically declared in Matthew 5:17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill".If he came to fulfill them then he didn't nullified them.

Pls read Acts 15:24-29. Also see 1 Timothy 4:4,5.

ifeoluwa237:
A Generation of Young Christians
1. We are always right and we never accept correction. A corrector is seen as an enemy
2. We love to sing in church, but do not read our bibles at home
3. We are full of lust, sensuality and emotions and we call it love
4. we want to have wonderful marriages, but by the time we are 25years we've spent almost ten years in relationships already. Sometimes we may have had more boy lovers and girl lovers than even our parents.
5. Sexual activities are now part of our relationships calling it romance
6. we want to be rich in life, meanwhile we spent all our finances on the latest ipads, iphone, galaxies, htcs, laptops, cameras etc which in many cases we use less than 30% of their functions
7. We do not pay our tithes and offerings claiming we are students
8. We say we are christian women but dress like hollywood stars and we call it fashion
9. We love pleasures rather than God
10. In church you will see us with our hands lifted up singing slow songs which we call worship but on our phones in our pockets, you will see pics of naked and half naked women, hip hop, hip life and we have a nice way of justifying it.
11. We are hardly convicted when we go to church because our hearts have been hardened by the deceitfulness of sin and pride...etc etc etc But God forsaw this and warned us in 2Tim. 3:1-4,That in the last days men and women will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power.
We need to change our ways, we have no excuse on judgement day. U can forward it, if u want to. But I know u wouldn't because its not funny.

Basically we dont have any idea of what it means to be a christian. Besides, our poor reading culture and concomittant poor knowledge of the Bible and Church history and revivals make us accept just ANY teaching that agrees with our indulgences.

Indeed, it is a damnable heresy that renders all the command to watch and take heed redundant!

emrain:
Do your research bruh... You guys are just forcing the [b]Jesus myth[/b]to match with a certain mythical prophesy...

The reply came after a research/and a clearly established fact, not before. Besides, that is why His being from David's lineage was never an issue with the Pharisees and other accusers and/or His disciples!

However, seeing you have your conclusion already (highlighted refers) makes further discussion superfluous.

emrain:
Yeah, I guess Mary is from the lineage of David.

Sure she was.

Indeed this is true:
5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness
Romans 4:5



Moreover, does it stop there? Is calvary God's pledge to continue to forgive while we revel in ungodliness? NO!!!

After He justifies us, we are, by faith, ushered into Grace:

5 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: 2 by whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God
Romans 5:1,2

The Grace He gives works in us thus:

11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Titus 2:11-12

As we abide in Him, we receive this grace and the fruit of holiness (without which no man shall see the Lord Hebrews 12:14) will be visible in our lives.

Now if this is not so, kindly explain these verses quoted here with respect to other parts of the NT and the OT promises as rgds the New covenant.

OLAADEGBU:
'And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb' this means we have to activate and equip God's angels with the Word of God and the blood of the Lamb.

We dont activate them directly however, God may give them a charge if our faith is not cast off.

PastorAIO:
It's the foam dripping from your mouth. Wipe it off, and answer my questions and people might not have that impression anymore.

Okay.

Empiree:
He's driving you crazy

What gives you that impression?

PastorAIO:
Regardless of when the act will be committed can we or can we not say that it is a violent act?

For now it is a parable, let's leave it at that.

And Secondly, The cast of characters in the parable. Who are they that it will be okay for the acts committed to not be considered violent.

Like I said, let's wait and see the objective reality before making a decision.

jmann2:
You are great and full of revelation.
It is one thing to know God and another thing to know him better.
We need people like you on our pulpits.
The black church is in a deep mess.
A lot of errors and contradictions abound in our assembly.
Faith + right living =eternal life is a grave error.

Kindly help an ignorant brother, show me where that is suggested in this thread.

The gift of God is eternal life in through Christ Jesus our Lord.
If I need right living to gain life, then, God becomes a liar.

That's ridiculous! Asking a dead man to gain life by living healthy?!!! Rather give him life and expect him to awake to Life!

However, the emphasis of this thread is the emphasis of the chapter whence you got the highlighted:

22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
Romans 6:22
The absence of the fruit indicates the absence of Life all professions of faith notwithstanding.

The problem with an average black person is lack of understanding. He hardly studies.
A black person believes in the finished product and not the process involved in producing the product.
He wants miracles, blessings and wonders, but he refuses to understand God and know him better.
That is why many pastors are exploiting their ignorance.
Call me on 07018529196.
I love wise men like you

Noted.

PastorAIO:
Perhaps that's not what you wished to say.

Claiming a passage incites violence without understanding first that it was just a parable was wrong. Secondly, the fulfilment of that passage , which you called objective reality, is not historical but futuristic hence it remains that we wait and see if we can classify it as violent verse or not when the time comes.

PastorAIO:
Actually you did bring it up!

He threw some verse from the bible at you and in defence you brought up the issue of[b]'Timing' permitting acts of Violence[/b] and you brought up the issue of the importance of knowing who the characters in the parable are.

Ordinary simple question seeking elucidations now, and you are running away.

Where did you get that from? Quote it.

PastorAIO:
If it has nothing to do with this thread then why did you bring it up?

I did not bring it up; it was a reply to this;

hydeehip:
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May be u dnt knw read ds is nt wickedness yet u tel bible preach peace shud it b in ds form
Luke 19 vs 26-27
I tell you that to everyone who has, more shall be given, but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away. 27"But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence."
1 Samuel 11:12
The people then said to Samuel, "Who was it that asked, 'Shall Saul reign over us?' Turn these men over to us so that we may put them to death
2 Chronicle 15:13
and whoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman.
Beast in d Bible
Song of Solomon 8:8
We have a little sister, and she hath no breasts: what shall we do for our sister in the day when she shall be spoken for
Wat is ds in HOLY BOOK HAAA....
Song Solomon 8
Your stature is like a palm tree, And your breasts are like its clusters. 8"I said, 'I will climb the palm tree, I will take hold of its fruit stalks.' Oh, may your breasts be like clusters of the vine, And the fragrance of your breath like apples,…
INCEST IN D BIBLE
Genesis 19:33
Come, let us make our father drink wine, and let us lie with him that we may preserve our family through our father." 33 So they made their father drink wine that night, and the firstborn went in and lay with her father; and he did not know when she lay down or when she arose.
MY QUESTION is, can ds b holy book? still wandering. my christian brothers pls no offence

hydeehip:
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May be u dnt knw read ds is nt wickedness yet u tel bible preach peace shud it b in ds form
Luke 19 vs 26-27
I tell you that to everyone who has, more shall be given, but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away. 27"But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence."
1 Samuel 11:12
The people then said to Samuel, "Who was it that asked, 'Shall Saul reign over us?' Turn these men over to us so that we may put them to death
2 Chronicle 15:13
and whoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman.
Beast in d Bible
Song of Solomon 8:8
We have a little sister, and she hath no breasts: what shall we do for our sister in the day when she shall be spoken for
Wat is ds in HOLY BOOK HAAA....
Song Solomon 8
Your stature is like a palm tree, And your breasts are like its clusters. 8"I said, 'I will climb the palm tree, I will take hold of its fruit stalks.' Oh, may your breasts be like clusters of the vine, And the fragrance of your breath like apples,…
INCEST IN D BIBLE
Genesis 19:33
Come, let us make our father drink wine, and let us lie with him that we may preserve our family through our father." 33 So they made their father drink wine that night, and the firstborn went in and lay with her father; and he did not know when she lay down or when she arose.
MY QUESTION is, can ds b holy book? still wandering. my christian brothers pls no offence

So, blame him!

PastorAIO:
Is that YOUR conclusion?


And please, don't forget this:

No.
As regards that other part, analysis thereof has nothing to do with this thread hence I wont bother answering. However, an understanding of the parable(pls meet your priests for an explanation) would answer your question.

mustymatic:
In Genesis 19:30-38 , living in an isolated area after the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah , Lot's two daughters conspired to inebriate and seduce their father due to the lack of available partners. Because of intoxication, Lot "perceived not" when his firstborn, and the following night his younger daughter, lay with him. ( Genesis 19:32-35 ) The two children born were directly Lot's sons and indirectly his grandsons, being his daughters' sons. Likewise, their sons were also half-brothers (between them and with their mothers), having the same father.

Being a purely historical account of the origins of the Ammonites and the Moabites, no Divine command or approval expressed there!

In one of the tales of a wife confused for a sister , Abraham admitted that his wife Sarah is also his half-sister, on his father's side. However, in the rabbinic literature , Sarah is considered Abraham's niece (the daughter of his brother, Haran).

Abram was a man from Ur of the Chaldees and he simply followed the practice of his people when he married his half sister, no Divine command nor approval expressed there too.

Abraham's son Isaac married Rebekah, his first cousin once removed , the granddaughter of his father's brother Nahor and niece Milcah. Isaac and Rebekah's firstborn son Esau married his cousin Mahalah , daughter of his father's brother Ishmael, while their second son
Jacob married his cousins Leah and Rachel, daughters of his mother's brother Laban . Marriage of cousins was not forbidden in biblical law.
Jacob married Leah and Rachel (sisters) who were the daughter of Laban . Laban was the brother of Jacob's mother Rebekah . This would make Jacob cousins with Leah and Rachel.

All being the practice in those days before the Law was given, it could not have been otherwise. The highlighted is a LIE!:
None of you shall approach anyone close of kin to him to have sexual relations. I am the Lord.
Leviticus 18:6

In Genesis 35:22 , Jacob's firstborn son
Reuben committed Inbreeding by sleeping with his father's concubine Bilhah .

And then? Reuben was CURSED grievously by his father!!! (showing that inspite of the absence of a law, there were limits) Still, no Divine command nor approval expressed!

In Genesis 38, Judah, the fourth son of
Jacob , mistook his daughter-in-law Tamar for a
prostitute while she was veiled, and had sex with her.
The biblical character Amram married his paternal aunt, Jochebed , the mother of Miriam,
Aaron and Moses .

The Law had not been given hence for this and all the preceeding cases, this Divine principle applied:

for until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Romans 5:13

In the book of 2nd Samuel , Amnon , King David 's eldest son and heir to the throne, raped his half-sister Tamar; Tamar's brother, Absalom , learned of the incident and, two years later, ordered his servants to have Amnon killed. It is noteworthy that when pleading in vain with Amnon, Tamar said, "Now therefore, I pray thee, speak unto the king; for he will not withhold me from thee".

That was Tamar's opinion, not a quote from the law of Moses that clearly said:

Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of his mother. And all the people shall say, Amen.

Deuteronomy 27:22

In 2 Samuel 16:22 , Absalom (son of King David ) is in the middle of a rebellion against his father and sleeps with his father's concubines on the roof inside a tent.
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And that was done in breaking the Law!

20 Cursed be he that lieth with his father’s wife;
Deut 27:20a

mustymatic:
In Genesis 19:30-38 , living in an isolated area after the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah , Lot's two daughters conspired to inebriate and seduce their father due to the lack of available partners. Because of intoxication, Lot "perceived not" when his firstborn, and the following night his younger daughter, lay with him. ( Genesis 19:32-35 ) The two children born were directly Lot's sons and indirectly his grandsons, being his daughters' sons. Likewise, their sons were also half-brothers (between them and with their mothers), having the same father.

Being a purely historical account of the origins of the Ammonites and the Moabites, no Divine command or approval expressed there!

In one of the tales of a wife confused for a sister , Abraham admitted that his wife Sarah is also his half-sister, on his father's side. However, in the rabbinic literature , Sarah is considered Abraham's niece (the daughter of his brother, Haran).

Abram was a man from Ur of the Chaldees and he simply followed the practice of his people when he married his half sister, no Divine command nor approval expressed there too.

Abraham's son Isaac married Rebekah, his first cousin once removed , the granddaughter of his father's brother Nahor and niece Milcah. Isaac and Rebekah's firstborn son Esau married his cousin Mahalah , daughter of his father's brother Ishmael, while their second son
Jacob married his cousins Leah and Rachel, daughters of his mother's brother Laban . Marriage of cousins was not forbidden in biblical law.
Jacob married Leah and Rachel (sisters) who were the daughter of Laban . Laban was the brother of Jacob's mother Rebekah . This would make Jacob cousins with Leah and Rachel.

All being the practice in those days before the Law was given, it could not have been otherwise. The highlighted is a LIE!:
None of you shall approach anyone close of kin to him to have sexual relations. I am the Lord.
Leviticus 18:6

In Genesis 35:22 , Jacob's firstborn son
Reuben committed Inbreeding by sleeping with his father's concubine Bilhah .

And then? Reuben was CURSED grievously by his father!!! (showing that inspite of the absence of a law, there were limits) Still, no Divine command nor approval expressed!

In Genesis 38, Judah, the fourth son of
Jacob , mistook his daughter-in-law Tamar for a
prostitute while she was veiled, and had sex with her.
The biblical character Amram married his paternal aunt, Jochebed , the mother of Miriam,
Aaron and Moses .

The Law had not been given hence for this and all the preceeding cases, this Divine principle applied:

for until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Romans 5:13

In the book of 2nd Samuel , Amnon , King David 's eldest son and heir to the throne, raped his half-sister Tamar; Tamar's brother, Absalom , learned of the incident and, two years later, ordered his servants to have Amnon killed. It is noteworthy that when pleading in vain with Amnon, Tamar said, "Now therefore, I pray thee, speak unto the king; for he will not withhold me from thee".

That was Tamar's opinion, not a quote from the law of Moses that clearly said:

Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of his mother. And all the people shall say, Amen.

Deuteronomy 27:22

In 2 Samuel 16:22 , Absalom (son of King David ) is in the middle of a rebellion against his father and sleeps with his father's concubines on the roof inside a tent.
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And that was done in breaking the Law!

20 Cursed be he that lieth with his father’s wife;
Deut 27:20a

Empiree:
I expected you to say that. Fact is neither sides really fulfilling it in the right context today. Rather for political and greed under pretense of the scriptures.

Your opinion is noted.

excellencyabia1:
meanin that God can no longer distinguish between the sincere and the insincere ones? Or just doing just to fulfil his own plan?

No. God's Plan, God's Glory and man's ultimate good are one!

Empiree:
Would you say the same when your brothers in faith quote supposed "violence verses" from Quran, and despite muslims attempts to explain those verses (which pretty much are embedded in their historical context via hadith and seerat), they still adamant?.

Well, the challenge comes when on either side, request is made as to how those verses were fulfilled especially with respect to the speaker and that's because that is assumed to be the example still followed on either side today.

PastorAIO:
So violence is okay if the timing of fulfilment is right!..?

That's your conclusion.

PastorAIO:
When a passage is a parable does that mean that it's contents are not to be taken as objective reality?


What I mean is, for example, most references to hell fire in the bible are found in parables and such where Jesus says that there will be 'gnashing and grinding of teeth'. Can we dismiss the fiery furnaces thus described as not being objectively real but simply part of a parable.

Nobody said they should be dismissed or that they were not objective realities. But it will be wrong to call that a violence promoting verse without realizing the timing of fulfilment and the characters that would be involved.

Many system of beliefs that have tried to steal from God's Word or incorporate some parts thereof in their religious books have quickly discovered what the Philistines discovered when they took the Ark of God into the shrine of dagon.

Indeed, this New Wine burst their old bottles and leaves apologists and advocates twisting and turning Truth to save face!!!

remele2:
Thanks, so what do I do?

How would you describe your relationship with God?

remele2:
Tell me where to read in d Bible,,, bcus I can't just open it and get the ans...... That's why am here

9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11 for he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
2 John 9-11


20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
Isaiah 8:20

The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the Lord. 29 Is not my word like as a fire? saith the Lord; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces? 30 Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the Lord, that steal my words every one from his neighbour
Jeremiah 23:28-30

If a 'prophet' bid you do something contrary to the Word and /or the Covenant ratified by the Blood of Jesus, he/she is false.

Empiree:
^ when it comes to violence bible verses or undesirable phrases, it is always "parables". I hail thee. Christians dont carry last

That passage was a parable:
And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear. 12 He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return
Luke 19:11,12

So shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. That Christ means himself by the "son of man", there is no reason to doubt; and his being laid in a tomb, dug out of a rock, is sufficient to answer this phrase, "the heart of the earth", in distinction from the surface of it; but some difficulty arises about the time of his continuing there, and the prediction here made agreeable to the type:

for it was on the sixth day of the week, we commonly call "Friday", towards the close, on the day of the preparation for the sabbath, and when the sabbath drew on, that the body of Christ was laid in the sepulchre; where it lay all the next day, which was the sabbath of the Jews, and what we commonly call "Saturday"; and early on the first of the week, usually called "Sunday", or the Lord's day, he rose from the dead; so that he was but one whole day, and part of two, in the grave. To solve this difficulty, and set the matter in a clear light, let it be observed, that the three days and three nights, mean three natural days, consisting of day and night, or twenty four hours, and are what the Greeks call "night days"; but the Jews have no other way of expressing them, but as here; and with them it is a well known rule, and used on all occasions, as in the computation of their feasts and times of mourning, in the observance of the passover, circumcision, and divers purifications, that , "a part of a day is as the whole" (n): and so, whatever was done before sun setting, or after, if but an hour, or ever so small a time, before or after it, it was reckoned as the whole preceding, or following day; and whether this was in the night part, or day part of the night day, or natural day, it mattered not, it was accounted as the whole night day: by this rule, the case here is easily adjusted;

Christ was laid in the grave towards the close of the sixth day, a little before sun setting, and this being a part of the night day preceding, is reckoned as the whole; he continued there the whole night day following, being the seventh day; and rose again early on the first day, which being after sun setting, though it might be even before sun rising, yet being a part of the night day following, is to be esteemed as the whole; and thus the son of man was to be, and was three days and three nights in the grave; and which was very easy to be understood by the Jews; and it is a question whether Jonas was longer in the belly of the fish.
John Gill

For an example of the highlighted see:
Then Esther bade them return Mordecai this answer, 16 Go, gather together all the Jews that are present in Shushan, and fast ye for me, and neither eat nor drink three days, night or day [size=15pt]I also and my maidens will fast likewise;[/size]
Esther 4:15,16a

Now it came to pass on the third day, that Esther put on her royal apparel, and stood in the inner court of the king’s house,

And the king said unto Esther at the banquet of wine, What is thy petition?
Esther 5:1,6

You would have expected that Esther should still be fasting on the third day but you find her at a banquet ! That is because according to her (jewish) custom, the 3 days and 3 nights was complete!!!

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hydeehip:
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May be u dnt knw read ds is nt wickedness yet u tel bible preach peace shud it b in ds form
Luke 19 vs 26-27
I tell you that to everyone who has, more shall be given, but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away. 27"But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence."

That was a parable. Else, show us how John or Andrew executed this command.

1 Samuel 11:12
The people then said to Samuel, "Who was it that asked, 'Shall Saul reign over us?' Turn these men over to us so that we may put them to death

1 Samuel 11:13
13 And Saul said, There shall not a man be put to death this day: for to day the Lord hath wrought salvation in Israel.

2 Chronicle 15:13
and whoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman.

That was a Theocratic nation making that oath of their own volition, not applicable to other nationalities.
Here is the context:

And they entered into a covenant to seek the Lord God of their fathers with all their heart and with all their soul; 13 that whosoever would not seek the Lord God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. 14 And they sware unto the Lord with a loud voice, and with shouting, and with trumpets, and with cornets. 15 And all Judah rejoiced at the oath: for they had sworn with all their heart, and sought him with their whole desire; and he was found of them: and the Lord gave them rest round about.
2 Chronicles 15:12-15 They were even happy to do so!

Beast in d Bible
Song of Solomon 8:8
We have a little sister, and she hath no breasts: what shall we do for our sister in the day when she shall be spoken for

God created all things.

Wat is ds in HOLY BOOK HAAA....
Song Solomon 8
Your stature is like a palm tree, And your breasts are like its clusters. 8"I said, 'I will climb the palm tree, I will take hold of its fruit stalks.' Oh, may your breasts be like clusters of the vine, And the fragrance of your breath like apples,…

That's a man to his spouse. God instituted marriage and everything (+ve) that goes on therein.

INCEST IN D BIBLE
Genesis 19:33
Come, let us make our father drink wine, and let us lie with him that we may preserve our family through our father." 33 So they made their father drink wine that night, and the firstborn went in and lay with her father; and he did not know when she lay down or when she arose.

That's the report of two perverse girls, not a command from a prophet.

MY QUESTION is, can ds b holy book? still wandering. my christian brothers pls no offence

My ADVICE is always read thoroughly before asking questions.

He was not a bastard; His manner of conception was already prophesied centuries before.