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tartar9:
so says a book that was written based on hearsay.can you put your book aside and see if there is any sense in that;'marrying an ex-wife is adultery'

that's your opinion. I reckon that if this was a hearsay or 'corrupted' Book, that verse will simply uphold the OT stance that accommodated the hardness of the heart being agreeable to the natural man!

Even the prophet we call John the Baptist condemned Herod for doing something similar:

Mark 6:17,18
17 For Herod himself had sent forth and laid hold upon John, and bound him in prison for Herodias' sake, his brother Philip's wife: for he had married her.

18 For John had said unto Herod, It is not lawful for thee to have thy brother's wife.

tartar9:
you guys are only making us hate your stupîd religion more.
since when did marrying someone's wife and marrying an ex-wife become the same thing? shameless old liar!

Now Muslims calls Jesus a prophet from God. But this is what Jesus said about marriage to a divorcee:

Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.
Luke 16:18

Now if, as was said, Muhammad's action was ratified by Allah. Does this not show that God of the Bible is not the Allah of the Quran? By extension, the Jesus in the Bible is not the Isa in the Quran and so all the prophets.

Else, How do we reconcile this glaring discrepancy? Or was the former husband of the ex-wife dead at the time Muhammed married her?

OLAJADON:
did u just say paul, guy u Bleep up...is it not the same paul that gave a different account about the crucifixion of jesus...do u know that their is a place in the bible that paul said it himself that what he himself(pardon my english) wrote is mixed with lie(can remember the bible verse, maybe a muslim brother can help me with the verse....but if u insist on getting the verse i can help u with it..and i will send it to u... when it ready)

Make haste to give your proofs of the highlighted!

malvisguy212:
When you created the thread, tag me.

Meanwhile, this is what I ask your muslims brothers to explained;


The following Qur’anic verse records Jesus as saying:
Surah 19:33: Peace on me the day I
was born, and the day I die, and the
day I shall be raised alive! (Pickthall

The chronological sequence of event here is born,die and raised alive. But muslims scholar claims this verse was saying born ,raised alive and die, is this what surah 19:33 was saying ? Alright. We can read an almost identical
passage about John the Baptist in Surah
19:15. Note the similarity in the wordings:

Surah 19:15: And peace on him on
the day he was born, and on the day
he dies, and on the day he is raised
to life.

But in the case of John the baptist, muslims scholars interpret the verse correctly even when the wording of the two verses are IDENTICAL.

Rather glaring! Well op, would you mind shedding more light here? At least before you study to refute another man's belief, clarify yours first!

OLAJADON:
what point r u trying to make.. r u supporting women preaching in church.?
Also dont misinterprete the bible...did j read the part that says women r not to talk...either it is law or nt ...dont u think it should b abide? ...is d bible not ur holy book...r u following the bibles teachings....ALL THIS LEAD BACK TO MY ORIGIN QUESTION WHY DO WE HAVE MUMMY G.O....
REMEMBER THIS MUMMY G.O SERVE AS MENTOR TO SOME CHRISTIANS, EVEN MALE CHRISTIANS GO AND MEET HER FOR ADVICE(i guess u one of them)...DONT U THINK U GOING AGAINST THE BIBLE LAW.

Wish you will raise your issues from the post you quoted. So did Paul also by the same token instruct the Spirit not to bring any message, prophecy, tongue or interpretation through women then? Did he not clarify that statement to mean the asking of questions on the message?

OLAJADON:
INSHA ALLAH, before the end of nxt week i will create a thrend explaning the bible verse that condemns cricifixion.

I earnestly look forward to this. And pls not just a single verse panel beaten to say something else. The norm is that what one verse or passage teaches should be corroborated by other parallel verses, patterns and Divine purpose and agreeable to that which is shown of the Divine Nature in the Word.

1 corinthians 14 34
34. women should keep quiet in the church meetings. they are not allowed to speak.they must be under control.This is also what the law of moses says.
35. if there is something the woman want to know they should ask their husbands. it is shameful for woman to speak in church meetings


The highlighted shows what it means by speaking in the church namely asking of questions which disrupted the services as the verses below shows:


26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.

33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

40 Let all things be done decently and in order.

1 Corinth 14:26, 30-33, 40





NOW FOR A PASSAGE THAT DEALS WITH TEACHING OR PREACHING BY WOMEN:


But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

1 Tim. 2:12


This means that a woman's activity (preaching or teaching etc) in the church must be under the authority of, and subject to the man. Note that the passage you quoted has the author referring to the law. Now realise that Miriam, Deborah, etc were prophetesses under the Old testament/Law.

An example of somebody who was guilty of the verse in question is Jezebel mentioned in Revelations:

Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

Revelations 2:20

The Jezebel here exalted herself and ordained herself to be a teacher against the authority of the pastor!

mustymatic:
You know what it is... Just answer the questions sir, he wants u to kno where the confusion came from...from your own Bible

well that's your opinion. I need his reply.

matrix600:
Explain what you mean no 'middleground'. Are you saying that everyone who didnt give their life to him are immersed in sin and those who did are sinless? Tell that to the people in the kalahari.

First you asked me to explain to you, next you gave your explanation and ended by referring me to explain to Kalahari?! Which do we go for?

Bakrabas:
imagin the level of your thinking,check the new testament under the language Arabic Section Allah Is God In Arabic When They Translat Jh 3:16. can you nw see 4 ursef dat u r notin bt a cow dung

This thread of yours is one of the reasons why I keep asking that question in the other thread- you folks are too fluid!!!
In one thread you claim Allah and the God in the Bible are the same (as if you believed the Bible), in another thread you take pleasure in the desecration of the Bible! Where do you stand?

Bakrabas:
imagin the level of your thinking,check the new testament under the language Arabic Section Allah Is God In Arabic When They Translat Jh 3:16. can you nw see 4 ursef dat u r notin bt a cow dung

This thread of yours is one of the reasons why I keep asking that question in the other thread- you folks are too fluid!!!
In one thread you claim Allah and the God in the Bible are the same, in another thread you take pleasure in the desecration of the Bible! Where do you stand?

Bakrabas:
brother,answer the questions quoting matthew,mark,luke john

Do you believe the records therein? YES or NO.

onyfrank:
LETS REASON TOGETHER
What do u mean by giving ur life to Christ? Which life? Do u own a life? Where did u get the life?
Bible scholars help me/us

It is another way of saying yield/surrender to Him as Lord. Meaning He takes control of your life and one of the blessedness is freedom from the old master - sin. There is no vacuum or middleground. It's either Him or sin

Bakrabas:
If Truly,The christianity is not a religion of hoax,those christians used to propagate lies during the evangelism so as to win more souls

this's to call the attention of the church goers,tithe collector,bible scholars and a host of others to plz tell us where in the bible did Jesus (a.s) utter the following statements?

1.accept me (jesus a.w) as your personal lord and saviour?

2.outside the church no salvation?

3.give your life to me (jesus a.s)

4.jesus is God.Yoruba will say "jesu l'oluwa"

5.i'm coming to take my beloved.(to where).

Note: it is intrested to know however that,all the words of jesus can be seen in the book of matthew,mark,luke and john.if you are quoting outside these afforementioned books,then your points will be rendered valueless.

let us reason together both muslims and christians...

Your questions have clear answers but first let me clarify this, do you really acknowledge that Jesus said the things credited to Him in the Gospels?

This Gospel is considered by the majority of academics, including Christians and some Muslims (such as Abbas el-Akkad), to be late and pseudepigraphical;[1] however, some academics suggest that it may contain some remnants of an earlier apocryphal work (perhaps Gnostic,[2] Ebionite[3] or Diatessaronic[4]), redacted to bring it more in line with Islamic doctrine. Some Muslims consider the surviving versions as transmitting a suppressed apostolic original. Some Islamic organizations cite it in support of the Islamic view of Jesus.
Wikipedia on Gospel of Barnabas

Now why is there such an agreement between the apocryphals, pseudepighraphics and Islam? Especially when the Jews and Christians know that these books were not inspired and some were the contaminatory efforts of the Gnostics!

Now Jesus or Isa was so named by the angel because He was to save His people from their sins. How was that to be accomplished?

Barnabas's name like Paul's never came up till the Acts of the Apostles now someone will claim he was closer than John the beloved!!!

This Gospel is considered by the majority of academics, including Christians and some Muslims (such as Abbas el-Akkad), to be late and pseudepigraphical;[1] however, some academics suggest that it may contain some remnants of an earlier apocryphal work (perhaps Gnostic,[2] Ebionite[3] or Diatessaronic[4]), [size=14pt]redacted to bring it more in line with Islamic doctrine[/size]. Some Muslims consider the surviving versions as transmitting a suppressed apostolic original. Some Islamic organizations cite it in support of the Islamic view of Jesus.
Wikipedia on Gospel of Barnabas

Now why is there such an agreement between the apocryphals, pseudepighraphics and Islam? Especially when the Jews and Christians know that these books were not inspired and some were the contaminatory efforts of the Gnostics!

Now Jesus or Isa was so named by the angel because He was to save His people from their sins. How was that to be accomplished?

Bakrabas:
Christianity Is A Term That Has Been Intellectually Defined By Many Scholars Like Mark Twain, Trotsky etc.

But so far the defination dat best suites the word christianity...

christianity is a religion of those that washipping the D E A D MAN on the CROSS.

Pls add your own term

Peace! Well now that you accept that He died then realise that He also rose from the dead just as He prophesied!All this happened not for Him but for us who needed a Saviour.

And they shall mock him, and shall scourge him, and shall spit upon him, and shall kill him: and the third day he shall rise again.

Mark 10:34

What a Saviour!!!

Osahon7:
Good day all! How we all doing!These are some questions that has been bothering me for years now!! Have never really gotten any satisfactory answers! The questions goes thus;
(1) Did God really Create/form man??

YES.

(2) If Yes, Why are some people born blind, deaf, lame,
Dumb?

After the fall, every thing was out of course. Sin and its consequences and final penalty - death - came in. That explains your question.

(3) Is it that he(God) just decided to create some people WHOLE and Healthy and to create other People deformed?t(I doubt)

No, its just the consequence. Remember that Adam was created and was to reproduce. Now after the fall, the offsprings were in Adam's image not God's (Genesis 5:1,3)

(4) If really its because of the sinful world we live in, why are some people paying for the sin? As in, if really is because of the sinful world, why isn't everybody paying for the Sin? One would have expected that everybody on earth is either Blind or dump or deaf? Why were some people selected to suffer becos of the sinful nature of the world??
Shalom and God Bless you as you answer!

It is shared because all have sinned. For example, there are some parts of the wotrld ravaged by earthquakes but they enjoy peace while others have a perfect environment but deserted due to constant conflicts! Some are handicapped but they live long while others enjoy perfect health but are susceptible to terminal diseases etc
Actually all these are just consequences but the penalty - death - exempts none.

NO, HE WASN'T.

This Gospel is considered by the majority of academics, including Christians and some Muslims (such as Abbas el-Akkad), [size=13pt]to be late and pseudepigraphical[/size];[1] however, some academics suggest that[size=13pt] it may contain some remnants of an earlier apocryphal work (perhaps Gnostic,[2] Ebionite[3] or Diatessaronic[4]),[/size] redacted to bring it more in line with Islamic doctrine. Some Muslims consider the surviving versions as transmitting a suppressed apostolic original.[size=13pt] Some Islamic organizations cite it in support of the Islamic view of Jesus.[/size]
Wikipedia on Gospel of Barnabas

Now why is there such an agreement between the apocryphals, pseudepighraphics and Islam? Especially when the Jews and Christians know that these books were not inspired and some were the contaminatory efforts of the Gnostics!

Now Jesus or Isa was so named by the angel because He was to save His people from their sins. How was that to be accomplished?

onweson:
To believe in the Lord Jesus Christ is to be His ardent follower and ready to do His will at all times. You cannot claim to believe in the Lord and still leaves in and celebrates sin for he that sinneth is of the devil (1 John 3:. Therefore for anybody to be a true believer in the Lord, the person must have repented from all sin, for sinners are not believers and believers are not sinners.

xpac01:
How can one believe in Jesus and still not do His will. He said in the bible, "if you believe in me you must obey my commandments". To believe in someone means to lay every of your mind and thoughts in line with the person's rules and way of life. So it's not possible for someone to tell me he simply believes in Christ Jesus but without doing His commands and at the end of the day make heaven.

Thanks a lot !!!

Now op remember that:
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

James 2:19,20

Now Jesus also said that:
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Matthew 7:21

That passage you quoted used the phrase 'assume authority' which the Authorised version translates as Usurp authority:

But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

1 Tim. 2:12
This means that a woman's activity in the church must be under the authority of, and subject to the man.

An example of somebody who was guilty of the verse in question is Jezebel mentioned in Revelations:

Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

Revelations 2:20

malvisguy212:
Jesus never give up His divine Nature, He never stop being God. He only became human.

Indeed He became the Son of Man but never ceased being the Son of God.

joliyp:
for the bible scholars here,i need you to clarify these question

1 where was Jesus bet 12 to 30,if truly his the messiah why was the bible silent about him for that period?

He never commenced His Earthly Ministry till 30 yrs when the Holy Spirit descended on Him. However, He was in Nazareth and was simply known as the carpenter's son.

54 And when he was come into his own country, he taught them in their synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, Whence hath this man this wisdom, and these mighty works?

55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?

Matthew 13:54,55

2 john the baptist claimed Jesus is the son of God,how come when he was about to die he asked him(Jesus if he was the messiah?meaning john wasn't sure if Jesus was the messiah

Notice what Jesus said informed John's question (depression):

And blessed (happy, fortunate, and [a]to be envied) is he who takes no offense at Me and finds no cause for stumbling in or through Me and is not hindered from seeing the Truth.
Matthew 11:6
From the question of the disciples after Christ's resurrection, it was clear that many thought He would take over immediately (being oblivious of the Church age in between the 69th and 70th week of Daniel's prophecy). I believe John's continued incarceration brought depression. Similarly, Jeremiah at a time got to same depression and planned never to prophesy again Jeremiah 20:9

3 Pilate asked Jesus if he was the messiah yet Jesus never responded he said "if you say so"does that mean Jesus wasn't sure if his the messiah.

He was sure else why prophesy of how He would die and ressurect? Besides, He did not say, "IF you say so"! Please quote the place you got that from.

4 throughout the bible Jesus never calmed to be the messiah why?

Let Jesus answer you (luckily, He was also speaking to a lady here!)
25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

26 [b]Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he[/b]John 4:25,26

5 AND how come Jesus never fulfilled the prophecy that was said about him? four was not fulfilled WHICH ARE:

Not all the prophecies were to be fulfilled at His first coming! Some are for the Second Advent.

1 Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).


2 Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).


3 Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)


4 Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world – on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9)which of these prophecies did Jesus fulfilled

All these will be fulfilled at the Millenial reign. Kindly read Daniel's prophecy and see that there is a Divine arrangement:

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Revelations 20:4

CoolUsername:
Nope, it is known that the gospels were written decades after the alleged death Jesus. Scholars also have evidence that shows that they may not have been written by Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.

Yes read what Luke had to say at the Intro to Luke's Gospel:
1 Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us,

2 Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word;

Luke 1:1,2

The records were written according to the testimonies given by eye witnesses who were also ministers (eg Apostles).

Now there were others also who produced contaminated writings eg Gnostics under the title of Gospels and the Spirit warned of them :

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Gal. 1:8

bashsani:
yea pls research there are signs in previous books abt his coming especially the jews that have the previous books knw all these signs at the journey they met a knower of the book he observe the signs and warned them. I thought u knw the details of the journey if u don't pls research. I will compile some of the signs in the bible for u to decipher

I really wish you wont bother using the Jews and their words as a basis of validation. These people had rejected and killed the Messiah (also prophesied too and God raised Him up) and had been blinded by a spirit of slumber as prophesied in Isaiah 29:10,11,12 and other like verses. Hence their interpretations of the law at this time was terribly flawed.

10 For the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered.

11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:

12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.

Isaiah 29:10-12

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Maamin:
I wonder O...tartar9 and co.

In the absence of comments shall we declare this thread closed?

hockeyoilers:
Mark 16:17-18English Standard Version (ESV) Ya let me know I'd like see if this Bible passage is indeed true.

hockeyoilers:
Anybody?

Funny! You sound like the tempter that said to Jesus, ''if Thou be the Son of God, cast Thyself down(that is down from an elevated place) for it is written, He shall give His angels charge over Thee, they shall bare Thee in their hands lest Thou dash Thy foot against a stone''!

What did Jesus answer?
Go find out and take that as your answer for this thread!
Hint: Event was recorded in Luke 4:9-13

Epistemology:
I need clarification on this please...............

Gen1 vs27 says 'So God created man in his own image;in the image of God created him;male and female he created them......

Gen2 vs 22 says 'the rib which the lord had taken from man he made into a woman and he brought her to the man's

If God created The Woman from the man's rib, then can we say she was created in God's image

please I want someone to link this two bible passages for me....... I need your knowledge.....thanks

Yes she was. The Wisdom of the Almighty made them one at creation such that they though physically two were essentially and spiritually one. I perceive this is why she was not formed from the dust. There was one body Adam being the head and Eve being the help.

Now Adam was initially made in God's Image and in creating Eve, God made her proceed from the man. Now did God mar the image in which He created the man by so doing?NO. All was done such that God's initial design was intact and the Divine recognition of the union and oneness of both implies that the creation of, and union of the woman and the man was still in perfect keeping with God's Image.

OLAADEGBU:
When we bind the strongman how long does he remain bound?

For as long as the purpose for which he was bound takes.

OLAADEGBU:
Which then implies that evil spirits were never cast out in the OT until Jesus and His disciples.

Yes. You remember the temporary deliverance of Saul after David played the harp. The fact that it was by recommendations of Saul's men shows that they had means for temporary relief.