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The History of the Barnabas Gospel


Muslims fondly suppose that this Gospel has been denounced in the Christian world solely because of its Islamic character. It is truer to say that this is the only real reason why it has attracted so much publicity in the Muslim world. The external and internal evidences around the book give a far better reason for rejecting it. They prove conclusively that it was compiled only a few centuries ago as a deliberate forgery to impose both Qur’anic and traditional Muslim dogmas on the life of Jesus as it is described in the four genuine Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Unlike these books which are between twenty and forty pages each, the Gospel of Barnabas is 273 pages long.

Much of its teaching is repetitive of Biblical teaching, though adapted to suit Islamic preferences. For example, when ten lepers were healed on one occasion by Jesus, the only one to return was a Samaritan who fell at his feet, giving him thanks (Luke 17.16). The Gospel of Barnabas conveniently states that he was an Ishmaelite! The rest of its teaching, however, consists of legendary and fanciful stories and forged teachings of Jesus of no historical value at all. Let us consider a few of its typical Islamic teachings.

Islamic Teachings of the Barnabas Gospel

1. Jesus Denied that he was the Son of God

The Gospel of Barnabas repeats the incident where Jesus asked his disciples, firstly, who the multitudes thought he was and, secondly, who they thought he was (Matthew 16.13-20). When Peter answered that he was the Son of God, Jesus responded that he was blessed because his Father in heaven had revealed this to him. In the Gospel of Barnabas, however, while Peter is correctly recorded as declaring that Jesus was the Christ, the Son of God, the answer of Jesus to him was totally different.

Jesus is supposed to have declared to Peter "Begone and depart from me, because thou art the devil and seekest to cause me offence!" He then is reputed to have told all his disciples to beware because "I have won from God a great curse against those who believe this" {And just how many people did he bless with a curse? And why did the Jews attempt to stone Him a Number of times onthis basis?} (Gospel of Barnabas, para 70).




2. Judas was Crucified in Place of Jesus

The Muslim doctrine that Jesus was taken alive from the earth just before he was due to be arrested while someone else was made to look like him and was crucified in his place is repeated in this Gospel, only it specifically makes the victim Judas Iscariot. It was only some centuries after Muhammad that the Muslim world first taught this theory, [size=14pt]invented[/size] to justify the crucifixion of a bystander who might otherwise have seemed to be an innocent substitute.
{AGAIN WE ASK FOR WHAT OFFENCE WAS HE TO BE KILLED?}


The Gospel of Barnabas teaches that when Judas arrived with soldiers to arrest Jesus, God sent four angels to take Jesus out of the world into the third heaven while Judas "was so changed in speech and in face to be like Jesus" that Barnabas and the other disciples believed him to actually be Jesus (Gospel of Barnabas, para 216). Judas was duly crucified in his place.
{LET'S ASK, WHO WENT TO HANG HIMSELF THEN? WHO WENT TO RETURN THE 30 PIECES OF SILVER?}




3. Jesus Predicted the Coming of Muhammad by Name

In many places Jesus is said to have declared the coming of Muhammad by name, as in this statement made after he said he would first have to endure the infamy that he had been crucified: "But when Mohammed shall come, the sacred messenger of God, that infamy shall be taken away" (Gospel of Barnabas, para 112).
{JESUS ALWAYS STATED FUTURE EVENTS ACCORDING TO OLD TESTAMENT PROPHECIES AND PROMISES;WHICH ONE BACKS THIS?}
{BESIDES, WHAT WAS TO BE ACHIEVED BY HIS NOT DYING, WAS HE NOT A MERE PROPHET?}

These are some of the central Islamic features of the Gospel of Barnabas where its teaching contradicts the contents of the four Biblical Gospels. Numerous other Islamic influences can be found throughout the book, such as the claim that the covenantal promise to Abraham was made in Ishmael and not Isaac (para 191)
{WHY THEN WAS THE PROMISE NEITHER REITERATED NOR CLAIMED BY THE ISHMAELITES? WHY THEN DID THE PROPHECY OF A PROPHET LIKE UNTO MOSES COME TO ISRAEL AND NOT THE ISHMAELITES? WHY THEN WAS GOD'S PROMISE OF THE LAND AND VICTORY OVER ENEMIES AND DELIVERANCE FROM EGYPT FULFILLED ON ISAAC'S DESCENDANTS?}


Medieval Sources of the Gospel of Barnabas

[size=13pt]It is not hard to prove to Muslims that this Gospel was first compiled many centuries after the times of both Jesus and Muhammad.[/size] Three of examples of medieval influences will be considered here.

1. The Centenary Year of Jubilee

One of the laws Moses gave to the people of Israel was that a jubilee year was to observed twice every century when slaves would be liberated and debts cancelled. God ordained it in these words:

A jubilee year shall that fiftieth year be to you. Leviticus 25.11

About 1300 AD Pope Boniface the Eighth decreed that the jubilee year should be reintroduced but that it should only be held at the turn of each century, that is, once every hundred years. After his death, however, Pope Clemens the Sixth decreed that the jubilee year should revert to every fifty years following the Biblical decree and there was talk thereafter of reducing it further. In the Gospel of Barnabas this saying is attributed to Jesus:

And then through all the world will God be worshipped, and mercy received, insomuch that the year of jubilee, which now cometh every hundred years, shall by the Messiah be reduced to every year in every place. Gospel of Barnabas, para 82
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The anachronism is obvious - [b]the author of the Gospel of Barnabas could only have spoken of the jubilee year coming every hundred years if he knew of the decree of Pope Boniface. Whoever wrote this Gospel makes Jesus repeat a proclamation which was only made at least thirteen centuries after his time! This proves that the Gospel is a forgery of not earlier than the 14th century AD.






2. Quotations from Dante’s Inferno

Dante was an Italian who lived at about the same time as Pope Boniface. He wrote a well-known classic titled Divina Comedia - the "Divine Comedy". It was a fantasy about hell, purgatory and heaven according to the beliefs of his time. Many passages in the Gospel of Barnabas show a dependence on his work, one of which is a saying attributed to Jesus of the prophets of old:

Readily and with gladness they went to their death, so as not to offend against the law of God given by Moses his servant, and go and serve false and lying gods. Gospel of Barnabas, para 23

The expression dei falsi e lugiardi (false and lying gods) is found elsewhere in the Gospel of Barnabas. Jesus is recorded as again using this phrase (para 78) while Herod is also said by the author to have "adored the false and lying gods" (para 217). The cliche is found in neither the Bible nor the Qur’an but is a direct quote from Dante! (Inferno 1.72).

In its actual descriptions of heaven and hell the Gospel of Barnabas follows Dante exactly while contradicting the Qur’an. [/b]Jesus is said to have declared to Simon Peter:

Know ye therefore that hell is one, yet hath seven centres one below another. Hence, even as sin is of seven kinds, for as seven gates of hell hath Satan generated it: so there are seven punishments therein. Gospel of Barnabas, para 135

Dante gives precisely this description in the fifth and sixth cantos of his Inferno. [b]Speaking of the heavens the Gospel of Barnabas states that they are nine and that Paradise itself is greater than all of them together (para 178). This again parallels Dante who also speaks of nine heavens with an Empyrean, a tenth heaven above them all. These depictions of heaven, however, directly contradict the Qur’an which teaches that after Allah had created the earth, he fashioned paradise as seven heavens (Surah 2.29).






3. The Medieval Environment of the Gospel

Other passages from the Gospel show that the author was more at home in the climate and seasons of southern Europe than in the land of Palestine. He makes Jesus speak of how beautiful the world is in summer-time when the harvest and fruit abound (para 169). This is a fair description of Italy in summer but not of Palestine where the rain falls in winter and the fields are parched in summer.

Likewise the Gospel of Barnabas speaks of storing wine in wooden wine-casks (para 152), a common practice in medieval Europe but not in first-century Palestine where wine was stored in skins (Matthew 9.17). Further proof of the author’s ignorance of the geography of Palestine is found in this statement:

Having arrived at the city of Nazareth the seamen spread through the city all that Jesus had wrought. Gospel of Barnabas, para 20

In this passage Nazareth is represented as a harbour on the Lake of Galilee. After this Jesus is said to have gone "up to Capernaum". Every disciple of Jesus would have known that Capernaum was the city on the shores of the lake while Nazareth is up in the hills. Jesus would have gone up from Capernaum to Nazareth, not the other way around as the Gospel of Barnabas has it.

These evidences all prove that the Gospel of Barnabas is a forgery compiled in southern Europe sometime around the 16th century after Christ. Let us proceed to examine other evidences that discount the authenticity of this book that calls itself a Gospel.

Other Evidences Against its Authenticity

Muslim: The Gospel of Barnabas must be the true Gospel since it teaches that Jesus was not to be the final messenger of God to mankind but that this honour would be reserved to our holy Prophet Muhammad who he said would follow after him.

There are numerous other evidences against the authenticity of the Gospel of Barnabas, some of which derive from the very passages where Jesus is said to have foretold the coming of Muhammad. It is very interesting to note that this Gospel makes no mention of John the Baptist - a striking omission, considering the attention given to him as a contemporary prophet to Jesus in the Biblical Gospels. Instead sayings of John are attributed to Jesus, such as "I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, ‘Make straight the way of the Lord’" (John 1.23) which is ascribed to Jesus in the Gospel of Barnabas together with the whole conversation that surrounds it (para 42). The author of this Gospel conveniently, but very erroneously, makes Jesus say of Muhammad what John actually said of him.

The Messiah - Jesus or Muhammad?

John the Baptist denied that he was the Messiah when challenged by the Jewish leaders (John 1.20). The Gospel of Barnabas makes Jesus deny the same thing in much the same words:

Jesus confessed and said the truth: ‘I am not the Messiah ... I am indeed sent to the house of Israel as a prophet of salvation; but after me shall come the Messiah’. Gospel of Barnabas, paras 42, 82

Who was to be the coming Messiah, then? Elsewhere the Gospel makes Jesus say "The name of the Messiah is Admirable ... God said: Wait Mohammed; for thy sake I will to create paradise ... Mohammed is his blessed name" (para 97). [size=14pt]Here the author of the Gospel of Barnabas completely overreaches himself for the Qur’an clearly states, no less than eleven times, that Jesus alone is the Messiah. The Bible confirms this too on many occasions (John 4.26, Matthew 16.20) and one quotation from the Qur’an will be sufficient to prove the point:

O Mary! Lo! Allah gives you glad tidings of a Word from him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, illustrious in the world and the hereafter. Surah 3.45[/size]

The title here is Al-Masih, "the Messiah", and Jesus himself is called Al-Masihu Isa, "the Messiah Jesus", elsewhere in the book (Surah 4.171). [size=14pt]So the Gospel of Barnabas incontrovertibly contradicts the Qur’an when it declares that Muhammad was to be the Messiah. No Muslim can be true to his own holy book while at the same time trying to defend the Gospel of Barnabas as an authentic Gospel. [/size]

What is very interesting here is the discovery that this Gospel not only contradicts the Qur’an but also itself. In the prologue to the book it speaks of "Jesus the Nazarene, called Christ" and states that it is the [size=14pt]"true Gospel of Jesus, called Christ". The author does not seem to have been aware that Messiah and Christ are interchangeable terms, meaning the same thing[/size]. The latter derives from the Greek word Christos which is a translation of the original Hebrew word Mashiah.

Contradictions between the Barnabas Gospel and the Qur’an

There are other [size=13pt]contradictions between the Qur’an and the Gospel of Barnabas which cannot be satisfactorily explained. One relates to the birth of Jesus as it is told in each book. The Gospel says this about the moment of his delivery:

The virgin was surrounded by a light exceeding bright and brought forth her son without pain. Gospel of Barnabas, para 3

This statement has no Biblical equivalent but parallels Catholic beliefs of the Middle Ages.[/size] It is further evidence that the Gospel of Barnabas is a forgery composed up to fifteen centuries after the time of Christ. [size=14pt]What is significant for Muslims, however, is that it totally disagrees with the Qur’an which says of Mary and the birth of Jesus:

And the pangs of childbirth drove her unto the trunk of the palm tree. Surah 19.23
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There is little room here for Muslims to maintain their cherished belief that they have, in the Gospel of Barnabas, an original Gospel which is consistent with the Qur’an and Islamic tradition. It is not surprising that many Muslim scholars have, in recent times, rejected the Gospel as a forgery. Nonetheless there are still many Muslim writers, often well aware of the overwhelming evidences against it, who still promote it as an authentic text.

Newnas:
loooolz....
Christmas has no basis in the bible
that man they keep his statue and call Jesus is just an actor and not Jesus.!!!

Britannica mention that Jesus was known in his lifetime as a teacher and not a divine being or son of God or child of God!
so where do these people find this Trinity doctrine?!

YES from that criminal called paul who was a disbeliever in Christ during his life but later claimed that a 'spirit' descended on him and made him an apostle and he started writing that book they hold now and call the Bible!!!

Tell me who has more right to teach the doctrines of Jesus? those who believed in him in his lifetime and learnt from him and followed him from town to town e.g Barnabas who wrote the 'chronicles of Barnabas ' or a criminal who claimed divinity called Paul?!

I hope these Christians will wake up and ponder to see the light of Islam.

The gospel of Barnabas, however, has absolutely no apostolic support and was written 1400 years after the time of Barnabas. This is evidenced by the fact that it was never quoted by any church father or church historian before the 16th century!

By contrast, the books of the New Testament were all written early (before A.D. 100) and by eyewitnesses, or by those who interviewed the eyewitnesses of the Lord Jesus (1 John 1:1-5; Luke 1:1-4). The four Gospels found in the New Testament were never questioned as to their authenticity.

Even had the gospel of Barnabas been written during the time of the Apostles, it still would have never attained canonical status due to the historical and doctrinal errors it contains. For example, the gospel of Barnabas purports that Jesus did not claim to be the Messiah (see Matthew 26:63-64). The gospel of Barnabas also says that Jesus was born when Pilate was governor (but history records Pilate becoming governor in A.D. 26 or 27).

Selected.(www.gotquestions.org)

The continual resort to this book reminds one of the willingness of the sanhedrin to accommodate false witnesses if only it will enable them condemn Jesus!

DeathStroke007:
You dare quote from Bible that is full of insultive words on our creator SMH

Yes because the creator you are referring to is different from the Creator Whom we know!

DeathStroke007:
http://barnabas.net/index.php/chapters/431-chapter-39adam-gets-life




Go read all chapters

You just quote it for us will you? Now I ask again, why did the Pharisees, Jews and Elders persecute and martyr the disciples and apostles? What were they preaching that they tried to stop?

But it seems the QUran recognises JEsus as the Messiah?
And that He will come again?
Where do you stand then?

Besides, God told Isaac that in his Seed shall all the nations be blessed, is Mohammed from Isaac's lineage then?

Genesis 26:4,6
and I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;

6 And Isaac dwelt in Gerar:

Now concerning Daniel's interpretation of Nebuchadnezzar's vision, Jesus came at the time when the world empires was at the foot stage,what then?

DeathStroke007:
After Jesus had departed, the disciples scattered through the different parts of Israel and of the world, and the truth, hated of Satan, was persecuted, as it always is, by falsehood. For certain evil men, pretending to be disciples, preached that Jesus died and rose not again. Others preached that he really died, but rose again. Others preached, and yet preach, that Jesus is the Son of God, among whom is Paul deceived. But we - as much as I have written - we preach to those that fear God, that they may be saved in the last day of God's Judgment. Amen.

END OF THE GOSPEL

So the Pharisees persecuted the disciples of Jesus on what basis? For what reason? What 'truth did they preach that attracted the anger of the Pharisees, Elders and Sanhedrin? ANSWER!

DeathStroke007:
After Jesus had departed, the disciples scattered through the different parts of Israel and of the world, and the truth, hated of Satan, was persecuted, as it always is, by falsehood. For certain evil men, pretending to be disciples, preached that Jesus died and rose not again. Others preached that he really died, but rose again. Others preached, and yet preach, that Jesus is the Son of God, among whom is Paul deceived. But we - as much as I have written - we preach to those that fear God, that they may be saved in the last day of God's Judgment. Amen.

END OF THE GOSPEL

Herein lies one of the proofs of the deceptiveness of the author who is NOT Barnabas! (Just like the book of Enoch was NOT written by Enoch who lived at a time when printing was not invented!)

Now consider earnestly:
26 And after the sixty-two weeks [of years] shall the Anointed One be cut off or killed and shall have nothing [and no one] belonging to [and defending] Him. And the people of the [other] prince who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood; and even to the end there shall be war, and desolations are decreed.
Daniel 9:26

And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined
Daniel 9:26

Here it is clearly stated that the Messiah shall be killed. That is why Jesus said:

Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished. 32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on: and they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.
Luke 18:31,32,33

and said to them, “Thus it stands written that the Christ would suffer and would rise from the dead on the third day, 47 and repentance for the forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem.
Luke 24:46,47

Prophecy:
When he sees all that is accomplished by his anguish,
he will be satisfied.
And because of his experience,
my righteous servant will make it possible
[b]for many to be counted righteous,
for he will bear all their sins.
[/b]Isaiah 53:11

In the mouth of two or three witnesses, every word will be established!

DeathStroke007:
I initially don't wanna answer you but I have to because of your ignorance




Islam has proof of everything it contains in Quran and hadith.



Where in Bible Jesus go church or he ask you to pay tithe or told you to trust Bible or he claimed to be God or biological son of God [/b]or Trinity or [b]he told you he come to this world to die for your sins nor he told you to worship him nor he told you people that your religion is to be called Christianity

There's no where you can find it in Bible.



THAT'S WHAT WE CALLED FABRICATED RELIGION (CHRISTIANITY)

Were do you have Jesus being called 'biological' son? That is the problem, measuring God with our puny, finite brain and deciding what He is and is not based on that!



just as the Son of Man did not come to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”
Matthew 20:28

17 This is why the Father loves me—because I lay down my life, so that I may take it back again.
John 10:17

and said to them, “Thus it stands written that the Christ would suffer and would rise from the dead on the third day, 47 and repentance for the forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem.
Luke 24:46,47

Prophecy:
When he sees all that is accomplished by his anguish,
he will be satisfied.
And because of his experience,
my righteous servant will make it possible
[b]for many to be counted righteous,
for he will bear all their sins.
[/b]Isaiah 53:11

In fact He was to be called Jesus - Jehovah Saves- because He will save His people from their sins i.e all who receive Him and believe on His Name (not as a mere prophet) but as Saviour and Lord.

etc

Amberon11:
Scholar8200

I've read a few posts of yours and I must say you're right. Very few preachers of today know the bible like you do.

Yes, we're saved by grace through faith, but that faith works by love and love is seen in action.

James 2:26 says faith without love is dead. This clearly shows us that faith is not enough.

Glory to God, indeed, that was the purpose of all the Epistles and CHRIST saying ,''why call ye Me Lord, Lord and do not the things which I say''

LIBERTY1980:
Thanks and God bless you all for looking into my post, I appreciate all the input; My bible told me not to lean on my own understanding; because in the multitude of cousellors, truth must be establish, a lady friend of mine sent a message to me on whatzapp, she believed that the righteousness of Jesus, has made her righteous, she even told me, that if rapture meet her under a man that is not her husband, if she is not doing it deliberately, she will still make it to heaven, because she believe that Jesus Christ had already paid the price for her sin; I told her boldly that she will go to hell fire, she said that iam judging her,

You know this are days when people can no longer ENDURE sound doctrine and are rushing after 'teachers' that will assure them of entering through the Narrow gate though they travelled the broad way!!!

Charisplus:
Your points are noted. I have a few things to say though.
I think there is a misunderstanding of the Biblical meaning of holiness. Sportsmaster provided a very good explanation but I think you have not considered it.
What is your understanding of working out that which God by His Holy Spirit works in us?

13 (for if you live according to the flesh, you will die), but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body you will live
Romans 8:13

It means walking in the Spirit failure to do so leads to death.

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Are you implying that only Stephen and some people from church history were "sinless"? what happens to the rest of us who still fall short in one way or another? What is our hope then?

I did not say that but the Grace he received is available for you and me. There are others I just mentioned that as an example. He prayed for those stoning him just as Jesus prayed for His revilers. That is what happens when we are Spirit led and controlled-another operation of Grace.

The book of Revelations you keep quoting from is talking about churches, true. What exactly does it mean by "not defiling garments", "found their works not to be perfect before God"? Are you sure you got the interpretation right?

What else does it mean? Ephesians 5 speaks of Christ providing for us to be holy and sans blemish nor spot! Jesus likewise gave a list of the things that defile.Paul also did same. Meaning we cannot indulge in them and claim God does not see it!

Paul clearly said:
6 Let nobody deceive you with empty words, for because of these things God’s wrath comes on the sons of disobedience. 7 Therefore do not be partakers with them, 8 for you were at one time darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of the light—
Ephes.5:6-8 Hence dont let anyone deceive you that it does not matter!!!
Meaning if you do them you come under the same wrath!

Do you imply that everyone who gets born again does not commit sin afterwards? You mentioned continue in sin and slide back into worldliness , I want to ask to what degree should one sin to be classifies as continuing in sin? If he tells a lie today but does not tomorrow and again in 3 days he tells another small lie, he is continuing in sin? Who is in custody of the gauge for measuring sins that qualify as little sins that can be overlooked and those that tip the scales to qualify as continuing in sin?

sister, why dont we avail ourselves of Christ's provision for holiness rather than splitting hairs on sin-o-meter? God knows our hearts and is greater than it.
Calvary served to take care of our past and change us inside out from glory to glory as we receive grace for grace; not to change God and His attitude to sin. Else, why did Ananias and Sapphira die after lying? Why did Peter rebuke Simon who recently believed and told him to go back again to God in repentance?

Since there are great and precious promises by which we can be made partakers of the Divine Nature, why dont we labor to enter into that rest and not the 'rest' that assumes or hopes God was transformed by the Cross!!!?

If sin was still an issue there was no point for Jesus to come and die. All it will have required was for us to ensure we keep all the laws of Moses. Guess what? Jesus came to fulfill the law. He actually made the Jews realize it was impossible to keep. He said if you hate your brother in your heart you are guilty of murder!

AMEN!!! However,:

if we truly believe, then:

...[b]the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us [/b]who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit Romans 8:4 Meaning if we are truly saved and walk in the Spirit, the law will be fulfilled in us too!

Is it optional to walk in the Spirit?:

...For if you live after the flesh, you shall die...Romans 8:13a

The problem I have with people who are always so careful to avoid sin end up sinning more! I have been there! You know why? When you focus so much on it you find yourself falling into it more. Take your eyes away from self-preoccupation with sin and focus on the love of God for you that made Him send His Son to die for you then watch how all those sins will lose their power over your life!
Focusing on the laws of dos and don'ts bring you under the judgement of the law and I tell you that is a dangerous place to be! Do you think you can even keep just 1% of the law? Sins are both commission and omission! We are all familiar with sins of commission, what about sins of omission.

Pls this does not correlate with my initial post. Else kindly quote where it does.

So the Bible says to love your wife as Christ loves the church - can you do that? This is just one of them.

Sister, do you realise that Paul loved his persecutors, the Jews to the point that he was willing to perish if that will lead them to salvation! See the Love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Spirit. We can always receive higher impartations of this expression ofthe Divine Nature Eph 3:16-19.
We believe with God all things are possible, why then do we falter at this point?

Finally I want to share an experience that made me realize there was a problem with this thinking of Christians losing their salvation and how it robs us of our confidence in Christ and the sacrifice at the cross. We organised a programme some years ago in one of the big churches where I was a Minister. We (the Ministers) were supposed to sing during the programme and we chose a song titled "Will you be there?". As we did the final rehearsal before the presentation, some of the Ministers began to weep because they suddenly realized they may not be there in heaven. I got troubled by this at the time but we finally presented to the congregation. The guest Preacher then began her message making reference to the song at the end to ask people to receive Jesus as Lord. The reason for my worry is that if Ministers aren't sure of their salvation, what business do we have spreading the message to others? How can you tell someone to come and have what you have when you have doubts if you have it or not?

Sister, do you know their private lives? If the Spirit convinced them of sin at that song was it not that they might make things right? If you read the past great revivals that we crave today, that always happened when the Spirit drew near!
Do me a favour, read up some of those revival accounts!

Children of God, I ask that you ask your Father in heaven to open your eyes to see the truth in His Word!

AMEN!!! And help us to enter into the reality of all that you have provided for us through The Son of Thy Love!

Now let anyone kindly state some teachings of Paul that contradicts that of Christ. Not the collage of pictures given by the op some of which cannot be credited to Paul but others.

Besides, I wonder if a cult will transform a well known blood thirsty pharisee to a compassionate disciple who was willing to perish if only that will lead to the salvation of his tribesmen that made his life unbearable!

Anyway, I am expecting a list of Paul's contradictory teachings.

We have to note the difference between the Finished Work and Appropriating the Finished Work. The former is Fixed and permanent; the latter is dependent on how we respond to the Spirit when He reveals , directly or indirectly, the former to us and our willingness to continue in the faith after we have believed hence it is largely variable! To say both are fixed is to claim that God violated our free will in drawing salvation's plan.

But I must say I am shocked to hear that you claim James and Revelations were for Israel only

Did God have double standard then?
Did Paul not say the Gospel is the power of God unto salvation...to the JEW first?
Are the 7 churches Israelitish churches?
Did Paul not say in Christ, all those distinctions on tribe etc are not recognised

Those books address all!!! James did not say to get saved by works but that faith has evidences the absence of which faith is vain! John reiterated this position by saying:
Now by this we know that we have come to know God: if we keep his commandments. 4 The one who says “I have come to know God” and yet does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in such a person.
1John 2:3,4

marcopollo:
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My brother that's a serious mixture of the Grace of God you are saying there. You yourself say salvation is not of works and turns around to verify that same salvation by works. Ah-ah, that's double talk na.

Consider this:

8 For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 it is not from works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, having been created in Christ Jesus for good works that God prepared beforehand so we may do them.
Ephes 2:8-10 NET
We are not saved by works but by faith. But faith that does not work by love is no faith! And that faith works out the love that was shed abroad in the heart by the Spirit at salvation!

In Titus 2:13 you quoted, So what does grace bring? Salvation.
Grace brings and never takes. Get that. Then Paul admonishes Titus on good works like he wrote in other of his epistles not because there is danger of losing salvation but for other necessary uses..Titus 3.14. What are these uses? There are so many uses but NOT for salvation otherwise Paul would be contradicting himself in so many places. That's why he told us to study to show ourselves approved unto God, a workman that need not be ashamed rightly dividing the word of truth.

Then consider this:
38 But my righteous one will live by faith, and if he shrinks back, I take no pleasure in him. 39 But we are not among those who shrink back and thus perish, but are among those who have faith and preserve their souls.
Hebrews 10:38,39
Why then does the devil tempt believers and why are we commanded to watch,pray and be sober if there was no possibility of we shrinking back from the faith? Grace teaches us to live in holiness and we access grace by faith meaning ANY faith that lacks the workings and teachings of Grace -holiness- is a lie!

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Good works under the dispensation of grace are for:
*not to blaspheme the name of God and his doctrine of grace (1 Tim 6:1)
*not to give the enemies of the grace doctrine cause to speak reproachfully (1 Tim 5:14). The enemies are many.
*good works of course is good and profitable unto men (Tit 3.8
*there are also reward for good works on the day of Christ after the rapture.(1 Cor 3:8-15)
*for those who desire to be ministers of the grace gospel to not be unfruitful e.g if as a minister I live a promiscous life nobody will listen to me preach because of my lifestyle even though I preach the most correct doctrine on earth. Paul admonishes pastor Titus to be a pattern of good works (Tit 2:1-. etc and so many other things I cant put down now but NOT for salvation. Paul was teaching saved people, the body of Christ and not unbelievers.
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Kindly show where I said salvation is by good works. However, the proof of true saving faith is a life of practical righteousness not positional holiness.

You mean a so called believer can live in a way that does not meet up with the points you outlined above and still claim to believe Did Jesus not say to let your light so shine before men and that ANY branch without fruit will be cut off and burned?

Bro remember that if any man be in Christ he is a new creature; he is called to examine himself how that Christ is in Him else he is a reprobate; and that Paul spoke of those who have a form of godliness and deny the power thereof, professing they knew God but denying Him?

Romans 11.6 clearly separates grace from works and whatsoever God has separated, let no man put together.

But when faith marries grace the outcome is holiness of life else that faith is a self-deceptive one.
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Salvation is 100% the works of Christ and 0% of us. Jesus Christ died once and for all to pay for our sins and he will not die again like the bulls and goats of old time. His shed blood, death, burial and resurrection is all we need for eternal life. There's nothing we could add or minus from the works of Christ. If we could be saved by our good works plus Christ that means no man can be saved because we all sin as long as we are in this body only that some people's sins are open for all to see more than some of us. We all sin at the end of the day and we are not saved by confessing our sins. I'm yet to see anyone that can beat his chest and say he does not sin. It's not by trying your best, Christ Jesus' death, burial and resurrection is the best thing we need for our salvation in this dispensation of the grace of God. Amen.

But we enter in by faith else why is the whole world not instantly saved?

Was God faithful to His promise to Abraham? YES
But the generation that HE promised to deliver out of Egypt never got to the promised land as HE promised Abraham why? They did not continue in the faith! Only two that did got there according to the promise!


14 For we have become partners with Christ, [size=14pt]if[/size] in fact we hold our initial confidence firm until the end.
Hebrews 3:14

Charisplus:
@ Scholar8200
I totally agree with all that Sportsmaster has posted on this topic. I have some comments/questions for you based on your arguments:
1. As has been pointed out, holiness and righteousness are positional not based on conduct.

Holiness is the outworking of the life that walks in the Spirit after salvation. We are called to work out that which God by His Spirit works in us as regards doing His good pleasure. All this is based on faith. Now he who professes faith and historic salvation sans evidence of this Divine operation, here is the verdict:

But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. 10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure:
2 Peter 1:9,10a

Paul further tells us of some brethren that were so purged but did not give diligence (perhaps they assumed it's just a positional thing.)

18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
19 whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
Colossians 3:18.19a

You keep stating that we can only be saved if we remain "holy" to the end.

Sister, it's not my word: Hear Jesus:
2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.
Revelations 3:2-4
Sister, these letters were written not to the unsaved but to the Church. Kindly read them vis a vis the claims on Eternal security.

I have a problem with that because I do not think there is any person who is totally "holy". Or is there?

Sis, if God made Stephen what he was in by His grace, He can so transform us inside out too. Besides, do not base your convictions on what you think is the norm. A little journey into church history will help you see the blessedness of the sanctified and the glory many saw and rejoiced in at the point of death.

If not, are there degrees to the level of holiness we must attain to qualify to make heaven? What kinds of sins are permissible or allowable? Are we agreed that everyone falls into sins? What is the difference then? Is it possible to totally eliminate sin from one's life? How can I be sure I will "make heaven" when I still fall into occasional sins?

We are not qualified for heaven by our self produced holiness. It is our faith. But the proof of that faith is Christ living His life through us in an ever increasing measure lest we be reprobates professing a God Who we deny by our works!

I struggled with all these questions even after being a Christian for decades. I was unsure of my salvation despite all my efforts to live "holy"(and I was really "holy", very careful in my conduct, speech, always examining myself).

The highlighted is the problem. Yes we give diligence to keep our eyes on Jesus (faith) but the walking on the water is by His Power. If we turn our eyes from Him, we sink and struggle!

It robbed me of my peace since I knew I could never measure up, there was always something lacking. Thank God I discovered the truth! My salvation is not dependent on me, it is all about Jesus and what He did for me at the cross! He has paid for my sins completely! He offered the perfect sacrifice on the cross!

Oh yes He did but after we believe these and enter into His Grace, He calls us to deny ourselves, take up the Cross and follow Him daily. He calls us to walk in the Spirit lest we die. He calls us to watch and be sober because danger is near! etc

Sin is no longer an issue with God!

But Ananias and Saphirra? And Demas? Jesus said this to a Church:
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Revelations 16:15 Meaning we have to watch and keep our garments.
Moreover, Bible tells us Jesus wants His Church to be:
a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

And He has made a Provision to actualise this:

even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 [b]that he might sanctify and cleanse it [/b]with the washing of water by the word, 27 that he might present it to himself
(Ephesians 5)

People will only not make heaven if they reject Jesus! That is the Gospel!

But what if we 'accept' Jesus but continue in sin? What if we 'accept' Jesus and slide back into worldliness? The Word stands and though we ignore it we will face up to it one day:

Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
Hebrews 12:14

How will this Holiness be ours:

Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, [b]through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
21 make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, [/b]through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Hebrews 13:20,21

All you need to do is believe! Living a life of "holiness" is a result of trusting in the power of the cross to save and transform!

Excellent! However, the absence of this holiness shows your 'belief' to be vain!

Rather than expend energy seeking to live "holy" keep your eyes on your lovely Saviour! As you continue to focus on Him and on His love for you and all He has done for you, you effortlessly begin to live a life that glorifies Him! You don't need to struggle to stop sinning, the transformation happens supernaturally!

Correct! Did I ever imply that salvation is to be obtained by the sinner struggling to stop sinning? If yes kindly quote that post!

That is the Gospel the world needs to hear not telling them to stop sinning! If an unbeliever stops sinning will that take him to heaven? That is not the Gospel!!

I think those that needs this warning are those who say they have believed.

marcopollo:
Sorry I don't get you. What are you trying to say?
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When you said, "...hence our faith and profession are in vain", what do you mean?
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When you said, "Grace is power for victory", what do you mean?

What I am saying is that salvation is by grace through faith. However, Grace is not just the forgiveness of past sins but also includes victory over sin for the present and the future through the Spirit that indwells us when we believed. Grace is God working in us both to will and do of His good pleasure; it is the Spirit indwelling us enabling us to bear the cross daily and follow Jesus; it is the power of the Spirit mortifying the flesh enabling us to bear the fruit of love (1 Corinth 13) as we walk in the Spirit.

If we say we believe but lack victory then our faith is vain.

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, [b][b]created in Christ Jesus unto good works, [/b]which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
[/b]Ephesians 2:8-10

We are not saved by works but by grace through faith. And that salvation is unto good works. Meaning if I say am saved by faith and my faith produce not newness of life-good works, then that faith is dead!

onetrack:
By the way, according to Jewish tradition, Jesus could not have been the Messiah, which is why they reject him. So even here someone is lying. I tend to agree that he was not the Messiah because I don't believe there is one at all.

Well this reply is not for you since you are not a Jew.

However, these were the same people Jesus said made God's Law void by their traditions! At the time Jesus came, they were expecting a Political Messiah that is why at a time, they tried to force Him to be a king and after resurrection, even the disciples were asking if He will restore the Kingdom to Israel immediately!

However, if they had considered Daniel 9:26, it will be clear that the Messiah was to be killed as Isaiah 53 also showed.

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:
Daniel 9:26

That is one aspect they did not seem to grasp. In fact, some assumed two Messiahs -one will die according to prophecies while the other will take over politically. They did not understand that there will be two advents for the same Person because there will be a resurrection after death !

marcopollo:
▄▀▄▀▄█▓ ✞Don’t Add to The Gospel
or it’s Invalid ▓▄▀▄▀▄█
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Salvation is by *GRACE* through
faith in the finished work of Jesus
Christ alone. Anything added or
taken away will make it void.
G - ods
R - iches
A - t
C - hrist's
E - xpense
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If I make coffee and then mix it
with creamer, then it is no more
coffee [pure coffee] but coffee and
cream.
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The same with salvation..
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The Bible says - Romans 11: 6 And
if by “grace-[pure grace]”, then is it no more of “works”-[good deeds]: otherwise grace is no more grace.
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But if it be of works, then is it no
more grace: otherwise work is no
more work.” .
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As you see if you add the works-
[the good things you do to win
God’s acceptance] for salvation it
*cancels-out* God's grace and you
remain lost.
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Romans 4:5 But to him that
worketh NOT, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his
*faith is counted for righteousness.
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Romans 4:16 “Therefore it is of
faith, that it might be by grace;”
If GRACE + WORKS = LOST (Romans
11.6)
It is GRACE + FAITH = Saved
(Eph.2.
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Getting the true gospel message
CORRECT is of *CRITICAL*
importance, as if the message
contains a corrupt gospel it can
*NOT* point you to salvation.
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Saint Paul says in Romans 1:16, the *gospel of Christ*: it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that *believeth-trust-in]
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*Believeth means to 'trust in' or
'rely upon' and NOT just mere
intellectual acknowledgement..
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The Gospel of Christ:
"For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that *Christ died for our sins* according to the scriptures; And that *he was buried*, and that *he rose again* the third day according to the scriptures:"
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This is the clearest statement of
*the gospel of Christ* in the New
Testament. It is NOT what we do
for God, but rather what He,
through Christ, has done for us.
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Our responsibility lies only in
receiving it by *BELIEVING. Will you now trust in Jesus and what he did to save YOU?
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➜ Please 'SHARE' on for the lost on any social media if you agree.
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Indeed, and when we are saved by Grace, the same Grace through faith works in us enabling us to walk in newness of life else our faith and professions are vain.

11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Titus 2:11,12

Hence Grace is more than just forgiveness but Power for Victory.

bingbagbo:
LUKE 13:31-35

31 At that time some Pharisees came to Jesus and said to him, “Leave this place and go somewhere else. Herod wants to kill you.”

32 He replied, “Go tell that fox, ‘I will keep on driving out demons and healing people today and tomorrow, and on the third day I will reach my goal.’ 33 In any case, I must press on today and tomorrow and the next day—for surely no prophet can die outside Jerusalem!

34 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. 35 Look, your house is left to you desolate. I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’[b]”

STUDY THESE SCRIPTURES CRITICALLY IN THE SPIRIT....ESPECIALLY AT THE BOLDED AND YOU WILL KNOW WHO JESUS CHRIST IS!!#

#JESUS=YHWH

Explain further with the verses below:
God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Hebrews 1:1,2

what do you expect to happen?

Now Jesus said:

For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: [b]for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
[/b]John 5:46,47

We know who is the Truth!

mahdino:
i gave you quotations from your own bible. Prove me wrong if u can

Now consider earnestly:
26 And after the sixty-two weeks [of years] shall the Anointed One be cut off or killed and shall have nothing [and no one] belonging to [and defending] Him. And the people of the [other] prince who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood; and even to the end there shall be war, and desolations are decreed.
Daniel 9:26

And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined
Daniel 9:26

Here it is clearly stated that the Messiah shall be killed. That is why Jesus said:

Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished. 32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on: and they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.
Luke 18:31,32,33

Op, per your topic, did Mohammed forgive sins too? Besides, you said:

The Prophet Muhammad, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, was described as a “Mercy for all the Worlds”, as God said in the Quran:
“We have sent you as a mercy for all the worlds.” (Quran 21:107)

Now where does Mohammed stand in relation to God's promise to Abraham (the framework for the Old and New testaments)

truthman2012:
God bless you bro.

I am just seeing the thread.

Amen, and you too.

OLAJADON:
i don tired for una...u pple still don want to have sense.

I am still waiting for your quote from your 'bible' that says Jesus was on the cross overnight .

naijaboy756:
Good evening NL... A pastor preached and my fiancee' was part of the audience. He told them that all the prophets that came before Christ were thieves. That they were the ones Christ referred to in John 10:7-10..'Therefore Jesus said again: I tell you the truth,I am the gate for the sheep. All who ever came before me were thieves and robbers,but the sheep did not listen to them. I am the gate,whoever enters through me will be saved. He will come in and go out and find pasture. The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may hav e life and have it to the full'. ........ Bible scholars, please I need your help...

No, else why did Jesus quote the Law, Psalms and the Prophets in Luke 24:44 if those prophets were thieves?
The people Jesus referred to were alluded to in Acts 5:35-37. Others were the pharisees, sadduccees etc

Phero:
I am a Christian and I believe God exist buh there are some things that baffle me and I find hard to believe being an enthusiast person below they are written:

•Why did God put the fruit of knowledge in the garden of eden when he knows it can tempt Adam and eve.

Because He wont perpetuate Adam in the state in which he was created sans it being his choice. That is why He drove them out after the fall lest they took from the Tree of Life and become irredeemable!

•Why does he destroy and totally eliminates his enemies an example is when he ordered Saul to destroy the amalikites and when he spared them he punished Saul.

It was an act of justice. The same Amalekites lived by an ancient form of terrorism-attacking and killing defenceless people and taking over there properties. Their judgement was announced in Exodus but God waited for almost 4 centuries for them to repent before executing the judgement.
Remember what Samuel said to Agag, that he had made many childless.

•How could prophet Jeremiah order bears to eat up children that mocked him.

He never did that!

•Why does he create evil,natural disasters and punish people if he is really a merciful God.

after the fall, many things became out of course. Those deadly disasters are part of the consequences. I am persuaded that without the fall, those things will not be happening.

•According to the Bible the devil was second in command that is second after God when he rebelled against God,God sent him away down to the earth to cause chaos.

Really! Pls quote the chapter and verse where this can be found expressedly or impliedly.

•Why did he make Blacks to be back word and uncivilized.
•Why does he favour a group of people over others.

God is no respecter of persons. There are myriads of black men who are top notch and even respected by the whites. That statement on blacks is not true.

•why did he create hell fire to punish those who goes against him?.

Rather Jesus made it clear in Matthew 25 that hell was made for the devil and his angels. But if man chooses to follow the devil...


P.S.: Not a religious expert.

malvisguy212:
Lol. I was expecting strong case concerning the crucifixion argument, but look what the op present. My thread "Islamic prayer" must've cause him much stress.

The efforts used in travailing out this feeble thread should have been used in answering those questions you raised.

Besides Jesus was NOT on the tree overnight!! Next day was a sabbath so they took the Body down!
The same day.

Present ur ref!

OLAJADON:
I promised some christian brothers that i was going to create a trend of the bible condemning jesus crucifixion ealier, this is it, am sorry i created this late this is due to my schedule....AS E DRY HOT, PUZZLE OVER THIS.
Deuteronomy 21: 22-23
22. A man might be guilty of a sin worthy of death, he must be put to death and his body displayed on a tree.
23. But dont leave his body hanging on the tree overnight, be sure to bury him that same day. anyone whose body is displayed on a tree is cursed by God. you must not ruin the land the lord your god is giving to u to own.
Now from these two verses i coated, i knw u will want to say words like...jesus is not guilty of the sin he was accused of, jesus died for ur sin(not mine), jesus this, jesus that.
But i want u to reason with me, in verse 22 the word "might be guilty of sin" means he is either guilty or not....let assume ur jesus is not guilty.

! Any way see this prophecies:

As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men:
Isaiah 52:14

5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

Isaiah 53:5-8

And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Daniel 9:26

THESE PROPHECIES CLEARLY PROPHESY THAT THE MESSIAH WOULD BE CUT OFF AND THAT BY AN AGONISING DEATH.

THE 2ND SHOWS THAT HE WAS NOT GUILTY BUT HE BORE OUR GUILT AND TOOK OUR PUNISHMENT!

In the same verse 22, the sentence" but dont leavd his body hanging on the tree overnight. (1). jesus was hanged on the tree overnight(except if u have bible verses to prove otherwise), he also died on the tree...abi is the cross your jesus died on made of metal, is it not wood?
Following that same verse, u will see "anyone whose body is displayed on a tree(ur jesus body was displayed on a tree(cross)). is cursed by God...IS JESUS CURSED BY GOD HIMSELF.??

THE CURSE WE DESERVED WAS LAID ON HIM FULLY. DO YOU KNOW WHY HE ROSE AGAIN? IT WAS BECAUSE JUSTICE HAD RAN ITS FULL COURSE AND GOD WHO RAISED HIM UP ACCEPTED THAT SACRIFICE FOR SIN!
DO YOU KNOW WHY HE CRIED OUT ON THE CROSS? HE WAS ACCURSED I.E. SEPARATED FROM THE FATHER!
see the word accursed as used below:


For [b]I could wish that I myself were accursed and cut off and banished from Christ [/b]for the sake of my brethren and instead of them, my natural kinsmen and my fellow countrymen.
Romans 9:3

That is my understanding of deuteronomy 21:22-23, except if you have contrary explanation of those two verses.
AND PLEASE DONT TELL ME I NEED UR EVIL SPIRIT TO UNDERSTAND THOSE VERSES bcoz we can all see it is written in english,except you want to misinterprete the bible.

What a pity!!!

AM APOLOGISING ONCE MORE FOR CREATING THIS TREND LATE...EMA BINU SIMI.
ALSO,THE SAME BIBLE THAT SAYS A MAN MUST BE PUT TO DEATH AND DISPLAYED ON A TREE,CURSED A MAN DISPLAYED ON A TREE...ISNT THAT CONTRADICTION...OR IS IT ONLY MY BIBLE THAT HAS THOSE TWO VERSES OR ARE YOU ALSO GOING TO A SPECIFIC VERSION OF THE NUMEROUS BIBLES WE HAVE LIKE ONE OF YOUR BRETHREN SAID.

You really stretched and strained to cough out this one but it is not as daunting as I would have expected!

OLAJADON:
malvisguy02 do u know y i like you, u kip enlighten ur christian brothers...HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF THE WORD "DEDICATION TO SOMETHING SOMEONE OR RELIGION"....a ayat of the quran explains that mankind and jinnkind was created for the purpose of worshipping....[size=14pt]WE SHOULD BE THE ONE WORRIED ABOUT OUR RELIGION NOT YOU [/size]OR ARE U NOW HAVING A DOUBLE MIND ON UR JESUS AS LORD.... IF NOT THEN RELAX U SHALL HAVD YOUR CRIB IN HELL.
A AYAT ALSO EXPLAINS THAT DO NOT DIE EXCEPT BEEN A MUSLIMS BCOZ IF U DID NT JOIN ISLAM D LAST DAY AINT GONNA B EASY FOR U INFACT UR PUNISHMENT WILL START FROM THE GRAVE.....WHAT DID YOUR BIBLE SAYS ABOUT GRAVE PUNISHMENT FOR UNBLIVER OR IS UNBLIVER ALSO GOING TO HEAVEN.

Now that highlighted is coming from one who has created 3 threads which focuses Christianity!!!

Bible Condemns Jesus Crucifixion. by OLAJADON:

Religion / Bible Condemns Jesus Crucifixion.
by OLAJADON. 2 posts & 13 views. 5:59pm (OLAJADON)
Religion / What Bible Says About Women In Church (1)
by OLAJADON. 61 posts & 307 views. 12:11pm (OLAJADON)

He that comes to equity . . . (finish it)

However, since you created a thread to answer questions, why not 'pieces' the ones raised?

OLAJADON:
Allah is different from ur god...ur god saw jacob, he removes fire from the mouth like sango...MY OWN GOD DOES NOT DO THAT...it is only ur god.

Alright.