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Because there are nothing to offer there.
There was no serious demand during the electioneering period for a solution so this government went in unprepared.
All they do is to shuffle the pawns of security personnel but without a concise plan or strategy.

Politicians by and large in this era and this region continue a non interference stance towards the security architecture of this country.
Everything is left to the Generals, the Admirals, the Marshals and the big blue boys to solve, whereas in other climes there is a deep think tank behind the lines driving security policy, whether foreign or domestic.

The result is that there is little cerebral about our approach to fighting insecurity other than war games and checkpoints. Everything is reactionary.

The Legislature is equally redundant in superintending over the security services as if they are scared of them. Compare them to the powerful 'Armed Services Committee' of the US Congress and how they play an active role in the running of the US Military, the formulation of policy and in troubleshooting challenges. Nothing is left untouched from the budget for military equipment to the working conditions of armed service men and women, in great detail.

We are not serious or enlightened enough to experience any better in Nigeria.
Nigerians had better pressurize the government to establish a security think tank outside the reach of politics and the present security establishment/bureaucracy to dig out real solutions in an honest, forthright and cerebral manner.
To continue the way we are is the sure path to complete state failure.
This is the path Haiti and to an extent Sudan and Somalia started down many years ago.

BreconHills:
Nigeria cannot interprete the laws of a foreign country in its own viewpoint. If it does not accept the facts that diplomas and graduation ceremonies are regarded as mere ceremonies then it should refuse to recognize American degrees. It should also hold that requests for transcripts by US universities are invalid and the final proof of graduation is the graduation certificate.

Let me tell you what will happen. Bookmark this. The court will say that the CSU did not say the certificate presented by Tinunbu is fake. They will rule that evidence shows that Tinubu is a graduate of the university and they will accept the affidavit filed by the registrar of the CSU. You cannot fake or forge a fact that is true. I cannot fake that I am married to my wife of 19 years because there in no intention to deceive which is the essential mental element or mens rea of the offence of forgery. No no way that Tinubu gets disqualified. Willing to bet a million naira with you if you are prepared we pay our money into an agreed escrow account.


Tinubu did not fight the release of his documents he merely gave Atiku the run around. The first principle of defence is " rearrange the battle field in your favour" Obama resisted Trumps efforts to get the release of his citizenship information for years even when he had nothing to hide. Its called deflection.

If Tinubu indeed has anything to hide it is not at the point of his resistance. That's a basic question of strategy. Atiku has bought Tinubu time in the polity by diverting people away from the huge economic issues by offering a hope of his removal that is no hope at all.

Rope a dope

Omoawoke2:
In this case, CSU has authenticated that he graduated from their school and they don’t attach any value to ceremonial certificates. Third party vendors design certificates for students and alumni which is a normal practice in the US.
Look at the jamb girl case, that is a perfect example of forgery. She altered her jamb scores.

There are so many people that reproduce their documents when the original one is missing to catch up with deadlines, and as long as the details are genuine, they will eventually reconfirm and it will be correct. You know nothing man.

You people will lose this case again as usual and later start screaming the judiciary is corrupt all because you are using sentiments and personal hatred to hide from the truth.

The case is dead on arrival and the Supreme Court will trash it out because justice is blind

Dittodat:
If you read the transcript as I have done, you would have seen where the school categorically said that he was awarded a certificate and that replacement are done by 3rd party vendors.
In your case, you have seen your grades according to you, but your school has NEVER at that time awarded you those grades officially. Big difference.
You can know your grades but they have not been officially awarded to you.
You have not even graduated yet even though you have met the required grades, you have not officially graduated until the school says that you have and present or created an official transcript for you.
Also, transcript is totally different from certificate.
A transcript is the official record of what and what you did in school and grades that you scored.
A certificate or diploma is just something that you put on a wall to let people know of your accomplishments.
In the US, your transcript is what your employer or grad school will request for not your certificate.
So to answer your question, Yes you will be considered to have forged your transcript since none has ever been awarded to you unless your school says that it's ok to so. Systems are different all over the world. What is legal in the US might not be legal in other countries.
In the US you can print your own checks and use it as a legal tender as long as the account belongs to you and you have the money in your account.
I'm not sure if that's legal in Nigeria.

teepain:
Thanks for mentioning me. My analysis isn't based on any emotions of whether the dude attended the school or not. It is based on my interpretation of the facts of the matter which I will expatiate on.

First, the authority to issue certificates to students lies with the institution (CSU) and if it is agreed that they authorize replacement certificates by 3rd parties, that is the end. It would have been a different case if it was a Nigerian institution because replacement certificates are issued by the school themselves.

The replacement certificate that the dude parades is American and guided by the American rules and practice. Therefore if CSU says it isn't forged based on practice then nobody can pronounce it forged. This should be basic logic. In the case of his forfeiture, it was argued that the American law recognizes both civil and criminal forfeitures and that his was a civil forfeiture without conviction by American law. Once that was established the court upheld the argument and it was over. The same thing would play out here and that is it.

Omoawoke2:
So tell me how it is a forgery?

You people apart from ignorant are very dull.

Certificates are mere ceremonial and can be produced by a third party in the US.
Did Tinubu create a certificate that he graduated from Havard? Did he change his degree or altered his GPA?

teepain:
I am sorry but you seem not to understand what you personally posted. For some of us that are fairly acquainted with the practices in the U.S, like Kperogi said there is nothing like forgery of certificate here once all the information on it are consistent with the school's record, you can get a replacement and it does not equate to a forgery. It is equally refreshing to read Kperogi logically address of Tinubu impersonating a lady.

Dittodat:
He probably read the court transcript later ot he got laughed at by his colleagues in the US academia.
It's simply laughable and outer rubbish to accuse someone of forgery for presenting a certificate that states exactly what was issued to them by a school.
He never claimed to have graduated on a wrong year, with a wrong degree or at a higher level than he actually did.
So where is the forgery.
I took the dame route as President Tinubu, I went to 2 community colleges, then transferred to a university and then many years later got my MBA.
It has been so long ago that I have no clue where my community colleges and University certificates here.
My name has been misspelled so many times since I have been in the US.
I'm sure that if I should find my certificate and check them very well, there will be some errors on them especially the community College ones.

BreconHills:
What is a "false document" if the document in question has no probative value. The guy tried to educate you. Unfortunately for you the men and women in the SC don't think along your lines.

Raskimonojendor:
Reno should continue slapping the Obidient and Mikano generator dullards with the truth.

"Because it is the reality of the graduation that validates the certificate. It is NOT the certificate that validates the graduation."

Deja vu.

Ayo25:
The institution have affirmed it repeatedly that it contracts certificate replacement jobs to third parties and obviously it is not an illegal thing to do in the US. What is wrong with someone going through legal means to get something? What is being ignorant about that? Or english language is hard for you. The only way does not have to be your way. Everyone does not have to think the same way you think. Legal means are there for everyone to exploit.

Your marijauna example does not apply here. You can try out your example to see first. Go to the US and try and smuggle marijuana to co firm something the court will be there to interprete your actions.

You people should rest please.

FreeStuffsNG:
Look up what affiliate means. In education sector o, check what the word affiliate means and how you just got things wrong again.Smh

FreeStuffsNG:
Please kindly explain to them what a third party vendor means.

Politics aside, we are dealing with poorly educated set of hate-filled bigots o.
Thank you sir. Check my signature for free stuffs!

Ayo25:
If it is legal to do a replacement certificate in the country where the institution is located, what is the offence here?

Jafar is getting in the excuses early. He knows rightly there is no case here.

Everyone has opinion. What is public opinion on legal issues compared to what legal luminaries who have spent all their lives in the legal profession decides upon. Law is one thing, interpretation is another. Not everyone is qualified to interpret the law. The organ of government for the interpretation of law is the judiciary not the media that Jafar belongs to.

If the Nigerian judiciary can be bought, what is stopping Atiku or Obi from buying too. You cannot get judgement all the time. Whenever it does not swings your way, you should move on and stop acting like a fucking sore loser.

Mynd44:
He has said the facts himself. The so-called forged documents are legal where the person is coming from.

If I have a baby aborted while in the US, you cannot bring a case against me in Nigeria as it is not a crime where it happened.

Plus, the moment the document was taken back to the school to certify it affirms their permission

Biodun556:
He explains that in US, you can get your school certificate from third party and that's allowed. As long as you genuinely graduated from the school.

I guess this was the reason why a CSU official said verification is a Nigerian thing

Infact, Tinubu should reward Reno Omokri for this clarification.

Corrinthians:
I have only one thing to say:

The Easterners have proven to be extraordinarily terrible sportsmen. The hatred they accorded Buhari's administration, from the very day he took his oath of office for the first time to the day he left, is the same meal they've started serving Tinubu and hope to do so until the day he leaves office.

Question: Do these people ever sit back and think "one day an igbo man will become president. What chances are there, given what we've done to others, that our son or daughter would enjoy support from any segment of the country besides from us?"

You make enemies of everyone you're surrounded by and never think for a moment what goes around comes back around. You ALWAYS give to others what you can hardly tolerate.

A time will surely come, not in the near future I know, but it will surely come, when an igbo man or woman becomes president. It is that time the full implication and weight of the character they've displayed for the past 9 years (so far) will be paid in full.

Good morning Nigeria.

God bless my President, Asiwaju Bola Ahmed Tinubu.

Okoroawusa:
If it has been established that I graduated from a school why would I forge its certificate?

It's not making sense

Programmer47:
Read. Read. Read.
The disposition clearly said they know of some schools where third party vendors help clients get THEIR CERIFICATES FROM THE SCHOOL.

I know it's the normal whatsapp update but the deposition is online for anyone to read. Don't let this children of perdition gaslight you

obembet:
Incase u are brainless, let me educate u small. UK, US don't issues diploma certificate second time, but u can get it via third party, if u want to use the certificate to get job in US or any European countries, they wil only request for your SSN and verify ur name via school.

Note:

U and brainless your brother should keep damage the image of the country in the name of emotional politics. Tinubu, Obi, atiku and Thier and children get blue passport. It's u and ur brainless brother that wil affect. More than 80% prisoners in Asia countries are Nigeria and they are from ur region.

AllenSpencer:
Jesus!

A school can issue certificate a 100 times if you have an affidavit and pay required fees.

samsard:
So you're basically basing your assumption on coulda woulda shoulda? Even the UK court is not charging her for laundering a $100m, not to talk of $3 Bs.

samsard:
Diezani may have stolen or been corrupt, but I think it's ignorant to assume she could have laundered $3 billion. Some kind of talk should end at beer parlours.

Nuheights:
Your Dangote analogy is wrong. The proper thing would have been, can Dangote steal his own money?

Nuheights:
She did NOT do her NYSC even though she was less than 30 when she graduated. So hers was clearly a case of forgery with the intent to deceive the National Assembly.
But Tinubu's case is very different. Like somebody said on Nairaland, can you forge what you possess?

plaindealer:
That's not true, the schools have nothing to do with third party vendors and they don't authenticate records that's not theirs because they are not responsible for other people's products.

Replacement certificates are ordinary products of printing services.

seunmsg:
You are a complete olodo just like David Odesnsin. The 1979 Diploma will normally be different from the one issued as a replacement in 1997. The one submitted by Tinubu was a replacement copy issued in 1997 and not the copy issued in 1979. Stop trying to mix the issue together. David is simply playing with your infantile brain. Read the testimony of the University registrar and stop confusing yourself. He explained everything.

IgOga:
To make claim of forgery is claiming a criminal offence. CSU never said that but obi.diots need something to hang onto their delusion. PG should be careful though. Forgery is a strong term that is their own interpretation...if true will be a criminal offence.

The sad reality here is that Atiku and co are destroying the image of Nigeria out of bitterness for election loss. Long after Atiku is gone Nigerans seeking to study abroad will be scrutinised for certificate forgery.

Many are myopic and can't see far....Tinubu graduated from CSU. That is fact. He was awarded a diploma with honours. He requested a replacement certificate which is done by a third party. CSU was clear that it is not incharge of replacement certificates. CSU said only a student's transcript can authenticate the student and released Tinubu’s transcripts. On issue of male or female CSU said Tinubu that was admitted to CSU is male....pointing to SSN as proof....what else do you want enemies of Nigeria? Genital examination? When hatred drives you to loose your sense of reason all you have left is bitterness.

yemex04:
it's so ambiguous, I blame CSU for all this mess trying to be clever by half, you claimed he requested a replacement certificate but he never picked it up, if he never picked it up, where then did he get the one he is parading about, this isn't even about politics it's about common sense, if he only requested for a diploma replacement once and yet there are two different diploma out there the one with inec and the one with CSU, atiku's lawyer should put the CSU official on the spot, by asking is it possible to have a CSU diploma from CSU without the request being on official record?
















Without conceeding to be true, let's agree they chose to cover for him under oath, that means he is protected & their position is what the Law will recognize.. So in your Opinion, what do u think is tha fate of Atiku now, did he get what will be useful for him at the Supreme Court?

anonymous1759:
How can a honorable minister spit this thrash can’t she wait for the court to decide on the matter ? It’s really shameful when honorable people are encouraging media trial .

plaindealer:
So, when you school abroad and need a replacement certificate, where do you get it from since Nigeria doesn't accept third-party vendor certificates (Even though that's ignorant and dumb rubbish) where do you get it from? Call UNILAG or LASU in Nigeria to give you CSU replacement certificate.?


I think there's a factory in your part of Nigeria where they manufacture badly formatted empty brain people people because you all cannot be this dumb and unintelligent.


Sad.