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tru biliva:I pray that neither you nor anyone close to you will suffer any form of personal disability and would need to go to the healing school, only then will what I'm saying make sense to you. at this point, I don't really blame you. Cheers! |
JeSoul:Oh boy! I cant wait to hear Jo's answer to Q5 above |
[quote author=Vivian. SA link=topic=557621.msg7227228#msg7227228 date=1290860580]Lastly, I have tried to explain to Sir John and others the healing ministry Pastor Chris ministeres to people but I don't think I have covered Sir Johns statement of HS misrepresenting the sicknesses the students(or people) have when Pastor Chris ministers to them.His statement that pple with cancer/asthma/diabetes who can walk without aid or support are put on strechers and wheel chairs and during the healing session leap out walking and runnning as if this is the reason they came to HS, which is to walk again. Such a statement buffles my own mind and troubles my spirit. Which is why I took time out to explain to him and everyone else how the healing ministry that Pastor Chris has entrusted witn by God works.From his last statement I find out that his reservations are not on his healing ministry but the misrepresentation people and with their sicknesses.This statement I will make sure I find ways of directing it to Pastor Chris himself to shed light to me and once that is done I will pass that explanation to Sir John and everyone else in this Forum.I also would like to knw the answers to this statement simply for the one reason that matter is serious because and if this is indeed what happens this practise has devastating consequences on the people that attend the HS and such a practise jupordises their health.For this reason I need to find out from my Pastor himself what this statement means. And to think Sir John has been advocating this statement since since 2008 and I picked this up only latr 2010. I will return with answers whether good or bad report,I will stop at nothing till I have a report. It might take, maybe weeks, months but I will be back with the report.If you guys had been on this since 2008 a few more months to wait further so that I can get a proper report is not too bad of a wait. For now bye to all.[/quote]I love your objectiveness Vivian. SA, may I have your email? |
Joagbaje:Joagbaje, I never said these people were never sick what I have been stressing for over two years is that there is a lot of misrepresentation going on in the healing school with the intent to deceive people. heres an example: someone comes to the healing school with diabetes or arthritis or lung cancer for instance and when they came, they came without wheelchairs and spent two weeks without one. Now they stay for two weeks and then on the healing day they are put in wheelchairs to be prayed for while those who came completely disabled and on wheelchairs never get to be ministered to, what do you call that?? |
[quote author=Vivian. SA link=topic=557621.msg7221465#msg7221465 date=1290776423]One I want to deal with all SirJohn has postd abt Healing School. I had the opportunity of being a guidian for a close relative that attended the October 2010 Healing School Session in Johannesburg. I was not always there bcz I am working but I did for two weeks drop them off and collected them everyday.[/quote]@Vivian. SA Unlike you, I was there for four weeks and participated FULLY in two sessions as a guardian so I believe my account has some credibility [quote author=Vivian. SA link=topic=557621.msg7221465#msg7221465 date=1290776423]What she was there for is imaterial to what I want to explain so I wont go into it.[/quote]it would only be fair to this topic if you can tell us what took her to the Healing school and what happened afterwards [quote author=Vivian. SA link=topic=557621.msg7221465#msg7221465 date=1290776423]But this is what he narrated to me. Everyday they listen to faith building msg to first instill faith and build up that faith to a piont where they can have the confidence to take God on his word. I think and believe with the rest of CE ministry that this is necessary bcz its not Pastor Chris that heals them rather its their faith that Jesus meant it 100% when he said to the woman with the issue of blood ure faith has made u whole. Its their faith in God that heals pple that attend the healing school. Hence the teachings on faith for two weeks, remem at this point that most of the pple that go have never been taught the word of God and do not knw how to communicate with God and live their lives based on the word. After all Jesus said have faith in God, thats the reason for teachings 2. During these teachings the pple wheal chair bound or on cructhes are taken to see the Pastor for the group they are in so that the Pastor can minister to them directly one on one, they are asked how they are feeling and to demonstrate their faith in the authentic and realiable nature of Gods word by acting on their faith. If it is a person on the wheal chair (or crutches) they must make definate attemps to stand up and take a few steps ,[/quote]All the above statements in bold are true and were included in my initial post but one thing is missing: Did your relation tell you that while they were being ministered to one on one, there was a staff with a small camcorder recording the whole thing? (she will only observe this if she was part of those ministered to this way) [quote author=Vivian. SA link=topic=557621.msg7221465#msg7221465 date=1290776423]3. During the healing Session with Pastor Chris pple who will be in that session (named healing line) are chosen based on their ability during the past 2 wks to demonstrate that faith in Gods word by taking walking steps big or small. IF they did they are put in the session.[/quote]Now this is what they would have you believe but its a LIE. people with real/sever cases of disability NEVER make it to that healing line. [quote author=Vivian. SA link=topic=557621.msg7221465#msg7221465 date=1290776423]4. During the session the healing anointing is ministered to them and if that anointing connects with a person who is ready to receive forcefully their healing, healing on the Person takes place. Others are healed immediately, those were taking baby steps on wheel chairs and crutches gain strength and start learning to walk faster and better. 5. Others are ministered to and their condition on the outside remains the same, This is inded Sir Johns point. This certainly does not glorify God and so it does not please him. 6. One of the wrong thing that happened I blv is for the pple Sir John asked this not to tell him that even them they do not knw and have an ansewer for him, maybe if they had said that He would still be in ministry. And maybe one of them should hve arranged for him to meet Pastor Chris personally and ask this question. Insteas they defended in error something they dont know and as a result we lost a strong brethren whose eyes and heart are on the word of God.[/quote]They didn't have an answer because they were completely oblivious of what was going on there only a very selected few in the ministry understands this grand scam. I have been privileged to meet with one. |
Joagbaje:Please check your mail |
Hi Jo, nice work of art you got there; I have always wanted to have a large (near real) painting of two cherubims like the one described in exodus hanging directly above my bed, can you fix something up for me? |
OLAADEGBU:Thats not true OLAADEGBU, you probably started attending the church in very recent times. I used to attend the church in the late 80's and early 90's and sisters sat separately from brothers in Gbagada during combined services; I cant quite remember if they sat differently at district level though. so I'm on Jo's side on this one. |
Hello Mabel, I think you and Joagbaje should harmonize your works, he seems to be opening new threads with ROR topics which is exactly what you are doing in this thread. just my innocent observation |
Joagbaje:Does it matter if you believe in it or not? its like me saying I don't believe in offer 7, I would rather call it pastor chris' birthday but your ministry christened it offer 7; whether I believe it or not, it still is his birhday. 'pentecostalism' is just like saying 'christianity' we all know the origin of both words but we chose to accept them based on what they define and not the very words themselves. there are several other concepts so to speak which you believe in that are questionable e.g christmas, easter etc |
Joagbaje:You cant be so sure Jo, stick to your ministry and don't speak for another man, you can never tell these days you know |
Joagbaje:Joagbaje, you hardly even know your own mog but look at you speaking for someone else you barely know. you're very comical |
Joagbaje:Nonsense!! if you want a car, you work to earn the car; this above is absolute rubbish!! |
Quite an intresting thread, I'm looking forward to Joagbaje defending himself (thats if he can) |
Mr Jo, I'm surprised you can still show your face on this thread, you should be ashamed of yourself and your vagabond master. |
Joagbaje: SirJohn: |
Joagbaje:You are providing answers to questions you were not asked, I'll save you the shame and embarrassment of running in circles and simply say: 'I rest my case' And for you and your vagabond MOG, this is what the bible says: Philippians 3:18,19 18(For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: 19[b]Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)[/b] |
Joagbaje:You are still running around in circles, name chris' spiritual mentor (singular) that was the basis for which you called me fatherless, if you fail to give a name then chris is a bigger vagabond and a spiritual bastar*d. Joagbaje:does it matter what the motive is? its either he had a father or he didn't; tell us who ordained him, tell us who he paid tithes to, I put it to you that you do not know. your last statement (bolded) should have just solved the puzzle |
Joagbaje:would you be willing to prove that all you have said above CANNOT apply to non tithe payers? because this is a very sensitive and ridiculous statement you have just made. for your information jo, I stopped paying tithes two years ago and have made tremendous financial progress instead, I have had tremendous testimonies of deliverance (I hope to share some of them soon). so you see, Its not Gods word that is lying, it is you and your lying teachers that try to twist Gods word. |
Joagbaje:I have no other option that to conclude that Chris is a sheep who had no shepherd, and you are a follower of a fatherless spiritual leader. here are my reasons: you had said that every christain had to have been raised under a pastor, I asked you to say who raised Chris and you ended up giving me several names. Chris left the assemblies fold at a very young age and started a ministry that looks nothing close to what you have in assemblies, does it mean he did not subject himself to proper mentoring? after he left the assemblies, to whom was he paying his tithes till he graduated to being a 'high priest'? |
Mr Jo, compare this statement: Joagbaje:With this: Joagbaje:this is definitely a contradiction, if you say someone has to be raised by 'a pastor', then tell us who raised chris or are you saying he is a 'spiritual orphan' or was it Idahosa? |
Joagbaje: SirJohn: |
Joagbaje:oh yeah! so who was Chris' pastor? under whose ministry was he schooled? who raised Chris? |
Joagbaje:And what makes you think that because some eloquent dude puts on cream suite he qualifies as a minister of Christ?? |
Joagbaje:And show me just one place in scripture where it says I must belong to a church!! |
Joagbaje:Sorry to burst your bubble Jo , Its not for nairaland consumption, same with several other things I've kept back. they're all for my grand plan.I believe the people I requested for their emails or cellphone numbers will make good friends, I've spoken with some of them today including my friend from SA. Lovely people!! |
@KunleOshob, Claus, Nuclearboy, Siyanda.N, May I have your email addy or cellphone numbers? Thanks |
@Joagbaje, You're doing a fantastic job trying so hard to ignore me; well after reading your responses I couldn't help but laugh. I was almost going to challenge you to tell me your open heaven experiences and I'll tell mine as well just so that you know that the whole tithe thing is nothing but a big falsehood; nobody's finances is determined by a 10%. God has blessed me and I remain ever so grateful for that, I give as much as I can to help the poor and needy and I get immense satisfaction doing it. I have great testimonies of progress, good health, promotion and protection and all of these are Gods grace in action. If this is the 'curse' I get for warning Gods people against the deceit of Chris, I very well welcome it. Sometimes when I read Siyanda.N posts, I can immediately relate to the passion because I've been there as well. It only takes you to have been there to fully understand what we are saying. It took courage from God for me to finally walk away and I am ever so grateful for that decision; I am also very much grateful to God for my elder sister a pastor in the ministry who also resigned and walked away shortly after hearing the taped conversation between me and the group pastor. I will continue to sit back and watch satans deceit through Chris get exposed again and again. |
Joagbaje:So are you saying I cannot enjoy 'open windows of heaven?' ![]() Joagbaje:Which is common with every human person, you still haven't told me what makes you STAND OUT!!! |
[quote author=siyanda.N link=topic=193649.msg6977618#msg6977618 date=1287569745]How much do you pay for Foundation School in Nigeria anyone who knows this please answer or anyone who is in Sout Africa who went through the Foundation school please answer. In South Africa you have the Executive Class and the General class Executive Class is R3000 General Class R1500 Call Chrsit Embassy Randburg South Africa and ask them how much they charge because whether you like it or not they charge for the classes. SOUTH AFRICA 303 Pretoria Avenue Cnr. Harley and Hendrik Verwoerd, Randburg, Gauteng South Africa. Tel: +27 11 3260971 Call them and ONCE again see throug their GREED and face it!!![/quote]Siyanda.N, In CE Nigeria, you do not pay to attend membership school, however, after you have completed your classes, you pay a certain amount for graduation. the amount ranges from N1500 and above depending on the branch. |
Joagbaje:This will be the gazillionth time I'll be asking this: You talked about benefits of tithing and I asked you: 1.What benefit do you enjoy as a tither that I SirJohn CANNOT enjoy? 2. Are you saying that as a tither you do not experience loss of any kind since the devourer is rebuked for your sake? |
'Pasitor' Joagbaje, should I conclude that you are deliberately avoiding my question? |
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, Its not for nairaland consumption, same with several other things I've kept back. they're all for my grand plan.