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mabell:
It's actually 3 salvation. Man as a tripartite been. The Sprit,The soul and body.The salvation of the spirit is first and it's instantaneous but the salvation of the soul is a continous process, it had to do with the spirit of God ruling in the mind and heart of the person. And the salvation of the body is the last which is the changing of the human body to divine .

I thought you and your cohorts bragged of having an invincible body

Joagbaje:
I didn't run , I will visit it. If there is anything to respond to.

l hear you!

thehomer:
What if the person saw himself being tortured in his dream? What positive spin would you put on it?

Eating in the dream was just one of many examples used by the author, the same thing should apply to every dream.

Joagbaje:
So you ought to be smart to always subject your dreams to the Word of God.

also, dreams occur in the realms of imaginations and heres what the scripture says:

2 Corinthians 10:4-5 (King James Version)
(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds
Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

mabell:
My point is that the amoeba reproduce by dividing itself. that's how God give birth. he divides himself into us.

1 Corinthians 12:11
11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

[quote author=petres_007 link=topic=599451.msg7726885#msg7726885 date=1297667545]This is unbelievable! [/quote]@Mabell, the sooner you stopped posting on this thread the better; You are humiliating Oyaks, and its becoming amusing.

years back, I watched Tunde bakare on TV say he has banned his kids and entire household from watching TBN, I felt irritated at the statement. But now with a more mature mind, I look at TBN and I cant help but agree totally with Tunde Bakare. you're hardly 30mins on TBN before you see a preacher confidently raising funds in the most bizarre means.

mabell:
what does Amoeba give birth to
Amoeba gives birth to other children of its kind
But the interesting thing is these other Amoeba off springs carry the life of the Amoeba in it
They carry the cell of the Amoeba

You're just too shallow; go study your bible then you can come back and talk to me

^^^^@mabell,
you can run but you cant hide, I'm still waiting for you here: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-599451.128.html

^^^^@mabell,
you can run but you cant hide, I'm still waiting for you here: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-599451.128.html

mabell:
Aside these scripture
Ps 82:6 ¶ I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
(KJV)

were the Judges referred to in psalms actually gods? in what sense was God referring to them as gods? was it in an actual sense or a figurative sense owing to the mediative responsibility they served on earth in the era of judges?

mabell:
Let us everyday illustrations. Please fill in the missing gap

Man gives birth to,
Dogs give birth to,
Horses give birth to,
cows give birth to,
God gives birth to,

Is this the best you could come up with? I will gladly oblige you:


Man gives birth to, Biological birth intercourse required
Dogs give birth to, Biological birth intercourse required
Horses give birth to, Biological birth intercourse required
cows give birth to, Biological birth intercourse required

God gives birth to fill the gap here yourself


I Corinthians 2:13
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Joagbaje:
We need to differentiate between the legal aspect of our salvation and the vital aspect. Legally we are everything Chist is,  because of his life in us.

Now this is core WOF which originated from E.W Kenyon/Kenneth Hagin, trying to elevate the Christian to a God status. You may have the life of Christ, that does not make you everything that he is, He is God you are not and can never be.

Joagbaje:
We however live in a body that is not yet perfect. But it's still undergoing change. The spirt of msn is 100%  in his likenes, bur the soul and the body does not become perfect overnight. The is undergoing it's metsmophorsis by the word of God and the ministry of the holy ghost.

And can you tell me as a bible scholar and according to scriptures when our bodies will be made perfect?

Joagbaje:
Attack may come sgains the body , but you rule over it and send it packing. Just as a Christian may fall into a sin, when he realise it , he repents and turn away from it.  The more he grows the less his yieldedness to flesh. Sin and sickneses are all contracts of the flesh . When a man begings to walk in the spirit , it becomes difficult for sickness or sin to reign over him. God wants us to attain perfection  on earth .

The emboldened is the point we've been singing like a chorus, sickness may come. You cannot attain perfection of the body here on earth Joagbaje don't deceive yourself and other people. Not all sicknesses are spiritual and can be tied to SIN, I thought you are a bible scholar

Joagbaje:
Your claim is not true sirjohn. The benefit in christ is now. Thats what perfection is all about. I agree with you there is a futuristic part for everybody generally. But we in christ partake of it's firstruit . We have to grow into fulness of all that christ is. That is what will cause the rapture to take place. Because he's coming for a perfectly mature church that has gained dominion over sickness , sin, poverty and death.

If that is the case, why would there be a need for this:
Revelation 21:3-5
And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful

newmi:
what l and the others of my kind are saying is that in Christ Jesus God has made a provision for a man to live a life beyond suffering from sickness or diseases. How is that hard for you to assimilate and articulate?

My dear, you are trying to run faster than your shadow; I have supplied scriptures to show that even though God made such provision, the time is not now none of you responded to any of those scriptures but rather turned a blind eye. There are some of Gods promises which are yet to be fulfilled but you guys just cant wait. Its you who has a hard time accepting the truth.

nuclearboy:
I can't afford it O. Why give money to thieves when there's no gun to my head? Better things exist - I could build a hut or buy a bicycle or even buy a biro - all better value than a ticket to listen to lies from a trickster

Abi o

I rest my case

What killed your pastors father??

Joagbaje:
Sickness is synonymous with sin. The power that took sin away also dealth with the dominion of sickness. What do you understand by the phrase " by whose stripes ye were healed

You guys wont seize to amaze me, you say "no I don't get sick" Oyaks' father died of illness and they said he chose to die, what a load of crap. so going by your statement above, if truely one has been saved from sickness, he should not under any circumstance die of sickness or fall ill otherwise, his salvation is fake

Joagbaje:
Isaiah 33:24
24 And the inhabitant shall not say, I am sick: the people that dwell therein[ shall be] forgiven[ their] iniquity.

Sickness is synonymous with sin. The power that took sin away also dealth with the dominion of sickness. What do you understand by the phrase " by whose stripes ye were healed

And do you Joagbaje know that not all sickness is spiritual? why have you not answered the question I asked you? I expect more than this from you.

'by whose stripes ye were healed', I'll help you here by quoting this scripture in full and not in part just like you have done to shield it true meaning:
salvation from spiritual death Joagbaje.

1peter2:24
"Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed."

Some of Gods promises are yet to be fulfilled in the church and you Joagbaje have admitted that fact.

Revelation 21:3-5
And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful

I'm sorry to say this nuella2 but I actually thought I was talking with an intelligent fellow. bye!

since you are so daft that you can't read, I'll repost this:

SirJohn:
Now I know why you cant comprehend scriptures, simply because you don't understand English. Now let me try and make it a lot simpler:

God is interested in our health but has not promised us anywhere in the bible perpetual health here at this time on earth whilst still in a mortal body. but has given us grace to live in this imperfect body while we wait its redemption.

"Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor the perishable inherit the imperishable. Behold, I tell you a mystery; we shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed." (1 Corinthians 15:50-52).

"So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body; it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body." (1 Corinthian 15:42-44).


"And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me."
(2 Corinthian 12:7-9)

nuella2:
That Timothy was sick do not change the word of God. The word of God dont change because of the experience of a man. Let God be true and every man a liar.

And the word of God does not say anywhere that they cannot fall sick!

nuella2:
What is this nonsense you posted?
Isa 33:24-34:1

24 And the inhabitant shall not say, I am sick: the people that dwell therein shall be forgiven their iniquity.


KJV

We are in zion as children of God. Heb 12v 22-23. Isa 33:24-34:1

24 And the inhabitant shall not say, I am sick: the people that dwell therein shall be forgiven their iniquity.


KJV

Heb 12:22-23

22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
KJV

Paul, Epaphroditus and Timothy were all 'zionites' they fell ill. Do you understand the revelation of the resurrected Christ more than any of these?

nuella2:
^^^ You dont fall sick because of the grace of God, Hmmm, So the grace of God keeps pple healthy, am surprised that you said that. I tot you said getting sick is normal for the christian.

Now I know why you cant comprehend scriptures, simply because you don't understand English. Now let me try and make it a lot simpler:

God is interested in our health but has not promised us anywhere in the bible perpetual health here at this time on earth whilst still in a mortal body. but has given us grace to live in this imperfect body while we wait its redemption.

"Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor the perishable inherit the imperishable. Behold, I tell you a mystery; we shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed." (1 Corinthians 15:50-52).

"So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body; it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body." (1 Corinthian 15:42-44).


"And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me."
(2 Corinthian 12:7-9)

Joagbaje:
I don't fall sick, since I have embraced the truth. But I should not condemn a Christian who swallows pills. The message pastor chris is teaching is the deep truth. Many Christians have not fully experienced the benefit of the life in christ. Even if I fall sick ,it still doesn't change the truth, I will still tell any one who cares it's the truth. The generation that will believe it fully is the generation that will see the rapture.

Mark 16:17-18
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18 They shall take up serpents; and[b] if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them[/b]; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

We need to wake up to truth. We have been endowed with power, we can't live in the oppression of sickness again. The only person that had legal right to be sick was Jesus.

1 Peter 2:24
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. 


Healing and health is heritage for the Christian. If he believes it ,it will work for him. We are striving to function in all that christ died for,to become all he wants us to be. Some don't care about development spiritually. Jesus died for our perfection. We should desire to be all he made us in him. It is not overnight, but it begins by accepting the truth. We don't have to judge the Word by the failings of others. But judge by truth.   

Philippians 3:12-13
12 I don't mean to say I am perfect. I haven't learned all I should even yet, but I keep working toward that day when I will finally be all that Christ saved me for and wants me to be.
13 No, dear brothers, I am still not all I should be, but I am bringing all my energies to bear on this one thing: Forgetting the past and looking forward to what lies ahead,


Pastor chris is one man who has taken the Word of God for what it says, I love the audacity of his faith. He dared to believe. That's the man to be listened to.

And what does Gods word say? That you cant be sick?? There is no scripture that supports such nonsense. I do not get sick as well and its not because I believe some bogus tales. I don't get sick because I'm conscious of my health and most importantly I trust in Gods grace to keep me healthy.

cemehere:
No Doubt, i have seen people even as soon as they get to understand that, Jesus is their healing, just that new awareness and mentality they received, keep them from falling sick.

I have seen Christians who died of sickness, and i have Christian who was sick, and get to know that as long as Christ lives in him, He can't die of sickness, and since then, he has not fall sick.

If SIRJOHN AND CO. Don't believe in this truth and choose to die in the former truth, then is their own baby stage life they refuse to leave.

We're not trying to make Christianity look any less powerful by telling the truth. I'm not saying its okay for you to fall sick but that you will if your body cannot withstand the sickness. For all of you making so much noise about divine health and stuff, can you boldly say that the likes of Oyaks do not have personal physicians or that they do not go for regular or periodic medical checks? can you boldly say that in the last 3 years they have not swallowed any pill whatsoever? Because they may have done so does not reduce Gods word nor does it make them any less a child of God.

Jesus was hungry, thirsty and tired; these are signs of being human, the divine nature could not prevent that. Timothy had a medical condition, the divine nature didn't stop that. we can go on and on just to make you understand that it is not out of place and does not reduce or nullify Gods word if a Christian falls ill.
There are so many factors that can give rise to sickness such as dietary habits, environmental factors, genetic factors etc some of them are within our control while some are not for instance genetic ailments. For these, we can trust God for grace to live a normal life despite the condition or we can trust God for a healing if he so wills.
You cannot tell me that a Christian who confesses and professes healing and health to his body by faith everyday but has a bad eating habit will go on being healthy; no sir!
So you guys should grow up and stop making noise over issues you are so ignorant about, I bet none of you is half as healthy as I am yet you will go on ranting on this forum.

Kenyan 28:
AND I SAID THAT AM READY TO SHOUT IT OVER AND OVER AND OVER THE HILLS, MOUNTAINS AND EVERYWHERE THAT I AM HEALED, WHATS SO DIFFICULT FOR U TO UNDERSTAND?

I WILL SHOUT AS LOUD AS I CAN AND AS MANY TIMES AS I CAN THAT AM NOT GIVING SOMEONE ELSE'S TESTMONY BUT MY VERY OWN THAT ON 3/4/2010 I TESTED HIV- AFTER 8 YEARS OF BATTLING WITH THE VIRUS!!, THANKS TO THE HEALING SCHOOL AND PASTOR CHRIS, GLORY BE TO GOD,

And the paranoia continues

Kenyan 28:
AM READY TO "MAKE ALL THE NOISE" I CAN AS LONG AS AM TELLING ABOUT MY HEALING THAT I GOT AT CHRIST EMBASSY, RANDBURG, SOUTH AFRICA 03/04/2010,
I WILL TELL IT OVER THE MOUNTAINS AND EVERYWHERE, THAT JESUS CHRIST IS LORD, THE SAME YESTERDAY, TODAY AND FOREVER. I am healed of HIV that I lived with for 8 years,

I

You are shouting because there is no substance, you're only trying to silence your conscience and its obviously driving you into paranoia. Take it easy

Azibalua:
Sir John
{At least he sent them for independent verification unlike CE.}

Verified by priests
Interesting to note that we are kings and priest unto god 

Revelation 5:10
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests:

KunleOshob:
@sirjohn
I don't why you bother to respond to these sick nut heads, can't you see they desprately need help? I would rather you pray for them so that they can be released from the yoke/curse/delusion of oyakhilome.

My brother, day by day I keep realizing that Oyaks has done more harm than I imagined

Azibalua:
Sir John
[color=Black].My dear, the sooner you step out of this delusion the better for you. you are not God and can never be; that God has called you to share in his life does not make you God. The above statement in red is ridiculous to say the least; okay tell me, since you have Gods divine nature, do you have his omnipotence? do you have his all 'knowingness'? can you declare the thoughts of all men at once? you're simply delusional.[/color]

1. God is not sharing his life with us,he gave us his life
[color=#990000]John 6:48
48 I am the Bread of Life[ that gives life -- the Living Bread]. [/color]

1 John 5:11-12
11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He that hath the Son hath life;[ and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 

2.of course we have all of gods knowingness
1 John 2:20
20 But you have been anointed by[ you hold a sacred appointment from, you have been given an unction from] the Holy One, and you all know[ the Truth] or you know all things

 
Matthew 13:11
11 And He replied to them, To you it has been given to know the secrets and mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.

To argue that it is okay for a Christian to fall sick, is simply horrible,christ came and gave us his life,the life of god cannot be sick it's crazy to think this.

We were not given a part of the life of god we were given all.

Your ignorance is too much for me to bear, I'd rather not respond to your gibberish

Azibalua:
Medical check up did I hear you say?
Interesting to note that even Jesus people to go to the priest

Luke 17:14
14 And when He saw them, He said to them, Go[ at once] and show yourselves to the priests. And as they went, they were cured and made clean.
 
How come he did not send them to physicians

At least he sent them for independent verification unlike CE.