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FOLYKAZE:
The declaration debunked the claim in the Bible as mere fabrications and prophetic gloss reek of jargons.

The bible and tales from the Torah made us understand that Cyrus declared the repatriation of the Jewish people after they were taken into captivity and repatriation of Yahweh sanctuaries in Judea. Meanwhile, the excavated cylinder exposes the obvious fraud as the text identifies only Mesopotamian sanctuaries, and makes no mention of Jews, Jerusalem, or Judea.

On a larger ground, Cyrus identifies with Marduk, the Babylonian chief God, showing no relationship or knowledge about yahweh. So where did Isaiah get his misrepresented vision from?

The Cylinder only contain first known declaration of human right, indicating people had the right to choose their own religion and establish racial equality. Does this corroborate with what the Bible which fixated on Judaism?

Did the Cyrus declaration states that deported people in Babylon be repatriated. Yes or No.
Did the Cyrus declaration ordered the restoration of temples and religious cult of people destroyed by Babylon. Yes or No
Were Jews exiled in Babylon or u want archeological evidence of that too.

Mr Man u have no point.

Raheeqilmaktoom:
1. I have not seen those christians that do that, hes obliterated most of the ones he met.

2. Now this is funny, even the bible, like authorities in christianity are trying to debunk the myth. Like you have 2 blocks one dosent believe a thing about trinity and considers everone professing that as a polytheist and the other shouting to the heavens about trinity.

Unitarian Christians have always existed since time.
Waraqa, muhammed's mentor and kadijah' s cousin was a Unitarian Christian.

Who are the Christian authorities debunking trinity. Bring established Christian scholars not some heretics.

So long as any Unitarian Christian believe Jesus is the Son of God, then he validates Trinity. The rest is simply semantics.

TenQ:
They prefer to change the subject of conversation and talk irrelevancies rather than deal with the issue before them

Why is it that Allah seem to have copied Jesus who spoke some profound words 600 plus years before Islam.?

They don't have answer to these questions because they dont read their Koran.
U can't fully read the Koran, understand it and remain a Muslim. It's impossible, ask all ex-muslims.

There was one I asked here that if truly Allah has a son, should that Son be worshipped.
He got the answer wrong despite the Koran having the expo.

The only thing they now use to argue is that Islam is growing and Christianity is dying.
Therefore Islam is true.

FOLYKAZE:
Like the Cyrus declaration or the Exodus that have been debunked as theological propaganda?

Who debunked Cyrus declaration as propaganda?
Have u heard of the Cyrus cylinder?

And who told u cannanites are today's Arab Palestinians?

U would do well not to allow sentiments cloud your reasoning. Do objective research b4 forming an opinion.

Raheeqilmaktoom:
As always, its always your lack of comprehension that lead you to dead ends.

The El-Lah dumb argument?
The Muslim pray to Muhammad (S.A.W) in Tashahhud dumb argument?

Be better than that.
Your sources are being debunked left, right and centre. Apostateporhphet, Robert spencer was dragged through the biggest sewer in history, Rashid dosent know what an apple is.

Thing is, its your Christians that dont know what to hold onto, is it 3 Gods in one - polytheism in disguise, against every bible injuction, old and new testament, every christian clergy worth his salt disbelieves in polytheism - even our own local champ Reno, not you guys.

Thing is, you guys are so enmeshed in your mess theres no way out but to twist and turn A into Z.
The 'do Muslims pray to Allahs face or hands' argument comes up. You have no way to hold on than to create chaos and confusion, unfortunately for you, everything is very open.

Your line of work is dying profession, look for a better one.

Jesus is God my friend.
Even your extremes of islamic apologetics now admit that if the gospel of John is true, then Jesus divinity isn't in doubt and he's truly God.
Their argument is now hinged on the gospel of John is forgery. Something that can't prove.

Muhammed hijab shouts more than he makes sense. Once he meets Christians that are ready to debunk him, he shrinks away.

Everybody knows Palestinians are the oppressed and Israeli are not sincere. It would be easy for anyone to defeat the no longer inconsequential 'israel has a right to defend itself' claim.
That claim is too old to be relevant now. Israel is no longer under any threat. They should allow Palestinians to breath.

But Jesus is definitely God. Even your Koran confirms it.

rickleye:
If that is the farmers profit for a day he is certainly in the wrong business.
And for you to ask a human being to sell herself is monstrous . Would you ask any of your female relative to resort to that ?
If you believe a crime to be committed call the cops . You and I are not the law and shouldn’t take such matters in your hands .

If any relative of mine engage in robbery or prostitution, I'll immediately cut her off. It's different sides of the same coin.

I won't bother to reply to your ignorant comment on the farmer's profit. It's a waste of time.

cavpshost:
This is so sad

What is the world coming to?

If it was me, i would let her have the plantain. She is probably hungry

So sad to see this type of treatment. My God help her find food without stealing it.

Some of u are so naive and ignorant. U will know those of u who never worked real job for even a day.

Those 4 bunch of plantain could the farmer's profit for the whole bunch he's gonna sell that day.
If u tell him to give it away free, where is the farmer's gain for his sweat.
And the woman in question, why can't she approach the farmer and offer her services to work on the farm for a day in exchange for 3 bunch of plantain. Is that not better than this disgrace? But of course nobody likes hard work.
Yes hunger is bad, but we can't continue to inflict evil on ourself in the name of hunger. The farmer is not the government. He's also working hard to survive this anti people regime.
The only reason I pity this woman is the fact she chose the harder choice to survive. She could have achieve same result by selling her body which is far easier but equally pathetic anyway.

500k salary is too low to come with all these benefits.

Gerrard59:
How are black African Christians holding back the caliphatisation of the UK? The black population is low (less than five percent), while that of South Asia is close to 10%. OTOH, I agree that the US won't fall. Looking at how things are, the 2nd amendment was very good. If I were there, I would have registered to own a gun.

It's not about population but the relevance of the community.
Black Africans are the one carrying the cross and making sure the voice of Judeo-Christian value remain relevant. Muslims are penetrating the whites community but finding black Africans tough.
In schools, Muslim kids are beginning to form gangs and threatening other kids to become Muslims or else they will be bullied. Blacks are the ones resisting and breaking such move.

They also go about attacking the bible and Christian faith with questions like 'how can a man be god'. Most nominal white Christians finds these questions difficult to answer and that leaves room for doubt.
Black Africans Christians are the only ones fighting back with our own questions on Islam.
In my wife's work place, na so dem start during Ramadan by promoting the beauty of Islam at work. Na my wife led the attack against them leading to occasional clash.
Eventually HR had to ban all religious discussion at work with both verbal and written warning.
B4 that they already converted one white Christians girl.

Whites dont really understand the ideology behind religion and don't really see it as something worth fighting for. And that's the biggest problem here.

TenQ:
You could have just asked him if Mathew, I Mark, Luke Like and John were written by Paul. John in Revelation 11:8 was by Paul or Heb 12:2 was written by Paul. Peter in Acts 2:36 was written by Paul or Hebrew 2:9 was written by Paul or in 1Peter 1:3!, I 1 Peter 3:21?

The Muslims think Paul invented Christianity like Mohammed invented Islam !

I have challenged Muslims multiple times on this forum to prove to me Christians follow Paul or Paul changed the law.
They can't, once u challenge them with evidence, they disappear.
All they know is claim, not one single evidence.

Qasim6:
As early as Christianity started

The only GENUINE early source we have for Jesus crucifixion is Paul and his camp writings, you are free to proof me wrong.

And in Galatians 3:1 We see Paul scolding the Galatians ' O foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, that you should not believe the truth, Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified.

The question is who is bewitching them to think otherwise?

And here is also a part of letter st Ignatius of Antioch who lived in the first century wrote to the Magnesians�

'Those, then, who lived by ancient practices arrived at a new hope. They ceased to keep the
Sabbath and lived by the Lord’s Day, on which our life as well as theirs shone forth, thanks to Him
and his death, though some deny this. Through this mystery we got our faith, .............'

All early Christians- those that knew Jesus or met the apostles believed in the crucifixion and ressurection of Jesus Christ.
The early Jewish Christians confirmed it, the apostolic fathers believed it.

All non biblical historical evidence of Jesus Christ focused on is death.

Tallus in 50 AD wrote about the darkness and earthquake that happened on the eve of Passover referencing the day Christ was killed.

Josephus the Jewish historian in his book antiquities of the Jews confirmed Christ was crucified.

Pliny and Seutonius, both Roman historians wrote that Christ was justly killed and the sect he formed called Christians were nuisance who were expelled by Claudius in 40 AD.

Tacitus a Roman senator in 115 AD wrote that Jesus Christ was crucified on the order of Pontus Pilate.

Mara bar saparion, a stoic philosopher in 70 AD wrote from prison to his son claiming he's innocent and will be killed just like the Jewish killed their Messiah.
The Jewish Talmud confirmed Jesus was justly crucified because he was a sorcerer n a magician.

Your reference to Paul's letter is a distortion of fact.

In Galatian 3, Paul was emphasising that Christ death would come to nothing if they insist on works and circumcisions as a way to obtain righteousness. It has nothing to do with some having doubt about death of Jesus.

The letters of Ignatius who some referred to as pseudepigrapha was written in the 2nd century warming against heresy amongst some sects who had developed legend stories and myths about Jesus.

Some of this legend stories that emanated in 2nd century include Jesus talking at birth, Jesus cursing a boy at age 12 yrs, Jesus didn't die but rescued by God and taken directly to heaven.

I guess we all know where Muhammed got his stories from.

Raf4:
He was the first born o (from the slave woman)

u think he doesn't know what he wrote.
He wrote down exactly what he wanted to write.
Read it well again.

Iamzik:
Na US and Canada I dey pity pass.
Those ones don't know what is cooking in their backyard yet.

They have allowed Muslim fanatics to use their human rights and liberalism against them. It's only a matter of time but I pray it will not be too late before they realise it

US won't fall, too many fanatical right wings and crazy gun owners.
If Muslims becomes excessive in the US, Americans citizens will just start gunning them down. No time.

But u see that Canada with their gay loving naive president. Na them I pity pass. The way they welcoming Islam is alarming, they don't know what's in stock for them.

UK is almost becoming a caliphate, na we black Christians they hold them back for now.

APCNig:
What shall say about all your doctors and nurses that ran to Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Oman, Dubai for money, and your sisters that are selling their bodies to Arabs, make they deport all of them also?

Let them deport them if they cause trouble or even if Arabs do t like them. I support this 100 percent.

But comparing doctors who were invited to Arab gulf and saving life of Arabs to terrorist taking lives and killing innocent people shows u don't have sense.

Qasim6:
First thing first, before I continue with this conversation
Do you know there are early Christians that refute this crucifixion resurrection hogwash?

Mention the sect and provide evidence they exist.

transient123:
I am sure no Muslim complaint of their stone age beliefs, atleast we have seen how your belief has been transformed to the extent that the same civilization has swallowed it and made it all about nothing or emptiness.

AlhamdulLah am a Muslim, AlhamdulLah am not civilized , AlhamdulLah my Deen has not been made a disco affair.

Mr Man, u living a judeo Christian value system.
The way u think, talk and behave is heavily influenced by that value system.
Even your Arab countries are opening up. Your Saudi is about to go the way of UAE and has allowed more independence for women.

Modern Islam is too backward and unappealing to build any reasonable civilization again.
Though I give it to the islamic golden years of the past.

Qasim6:
Ok
If what you mean by God is the God that sent Abraham, Moses, Jesus then I'm sorry to burst ur bubbles my friend, that same God sent Muhammad to all mankind.

Except if you can use ur Bible knowledge to identify these distinct 3 personality that was asked of John the Baptist and he deny to be any of the 3 and bare in mind John the Baptist is a prophet.

Are you Christ?

Are you Elijah?

Are you that Prophet?

What has above got to do with God not sending Muhammed.
U need to explain the link btw your question and my claim b4 I answer. Not ready for irrelevant question.

Muhammed wasn't sent by God. Reading the Qur'an makes it obvious.

Muhammed didn't know who exactly is the holy spirit. Every prophet of God has the holy spirit in them because that's the only way u hear from God.
He reach Muhammed's turn, he confused holy spirit with angel Gabriel.

Muhammed didn't know the name of God he gave to mankind to call him.

God promised his covenant to mankind will be through Isaac and not ishmael. It was a clear promise God gave Abraham. Muhammad isn't from the lineage of Isaac.

Muhammed didn't know who exactly is the Messiah.
According to Jewish tradition, a Messiah is the anointed one who will save his people and establish an everlasting kingdom on earth. Jews look forward to this Messiah.
Muhammed called Jesus the Messiah, but rejected any divinity claimant associated with Jesus.

Muhammed claimed the Koran is from God. Then it should be accurate and free from errors.
However, the Koran has embarrassing gaffs that question if the writer has any understanding of Abrahamic faith.

For example, Koran wrote the Jews claimed to have killed their Messiah, Jesus son of Mary.
One,.Jews don't recognise Jesus as their Messiah and two, Jews would not killed someone they believe is their Messiah.

Muhammed is a false prophet, his pattern of ministry is predictable for all false prophets.
They start as pacifist but when the going gets hot, they lose their cool and become violent.

Putin should shut up and rest. How many kids have u killed in the unprovoked invasion of Ukraine. Feeling fly because the west has no choice but continue buying your gas.
I hate hypocrites.

Though I support an independent Palestine. Israel should allow Palestinians to breath.
Hamas isn't equal to Palestine..

This naive and thoughtless Burkina Faso leader should seek other investments for his country.
Building nuclear reactors in his country is something the west would never agree with. He will simply attract sanctions, sponsored counter coups and foreign backed civil insurgents into his country.

TenQ u forgot the biggest one.
Jesus called himself the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Revelation
12 Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End

Allah stole Jesus divine title and named himself the first and the last.

Now my question for Muslims, why is Allah stealing Jesus divine title?
Why is he not novel or original in thoughts?

Qasim6:
You are still not using the Brain God give you.
The same God that sent Jesus to Israelites is the same God that sent Muhammad to all mankind. Their message should be more or less the same

If hadith qudsi is telling us those are going to be words of Allah on judgement day, and Matthew or whosoever that forged that book is telling us is going to be words of Jesus. That's where you draw a line to their forgeries. You get it now??

God didn't send Muhammad my friend. Stop lying.
You may say Allah sent him bit not God Almighty.

Kukutente23:
Your alternative view is wrong
Road is for driving not praying
There's no decent society where people hit their heads on the road where vehicles are supposed to ply for people to carry out their daily activities.
I'm surprised you're in support of this. I thought you're a capitalist.
You're suddenly concerned about hospital fees. I thought fees are not high enough.
This smirks of hypocrisy and religious apologetics more than any other thing

My brother it's happening in western countries o
They now block road in London and Paris when praying.
Nobody dare say anything except u want another trigger riot. And u know how violent their riots can be.
Islam feeds on their opponent's weakness. The more concession u give, the more they demand. That's how they operate.

It's a pity the western countries esp Europe didn't understand that religion b4 allowing them in en masse. The next 20 yrs won't be funny in Europe. Next is Canada with their gay loving naive prime minister.

Only America seem to have tamed their immigrant Muslims, they try rubbish they experience what black Americans have been chopping for decades.
The above is the only reason I now support gun ownership in America. Play stupid games, pay the price.

Maxymilliano:
These girls don't really have the slightest ideas of what they have gotten themselves into.

From the confession video, she thinks she's on a debate stage..

I had to look at her multiple times to be sure she's not under any form of duress. See how she's recounting the ordeal like she's gisting.

The problem is these young girls don't understand how life works. They have very immature brain but yet wants to engage in what's beyond their capability.

The Yoruba adage says 'a bird won't eat what will make flying difficult'.
Not our naija girls with their big God mentality.

Imagine this small things having the boldness to even contemplate how to drug and rob a man. One would expect someone who would do such to be one hardened female criminal.

Nigeria is gradually messing up most of our girls. Maybe it's the preponderance of yahoo yahoo, I don't know.

dangermouse:
I said Russia and not Putin.
Most Russians are atheists in as much as they adopted Christianity as their official religion.
You go dey Nigeria dey type wetin you no know.

Russians don't give a bleep about Religion so you know.

I support Israel on this war and its not my fault you lack common comprehensive skills.

The joke is on you Dumbo.

Not from the North FyI .

Do more research. Russia and an official religion and it's called russian orthodox Christianity.
You don't mock Christian values or beliefs in Russia like they do in other western countries.
You could be fined or even jailed.
Of course, freedom of religion is guaranteed including being atheist and some regions are Islam. But Russians pride themselves as strong in Christian values unlike the west that's struggling with their identity since they left christianity.

I guess those of us that didn't support the free market economy goaded on Tinubu were right after all.
The irony is this were the same people that pushed Tinubu to execute those catastrophic reforms.
Believe what comes out of the imperialist at your own cost and peril.
The white man economic principle is simple, some have to poor for others to be rich. Africa is yet to learn.

Ibrahimmrfish:
According to DNA the Palestinians.

Provide evidence for your claim.

juman:
The police man is innocent.
He will be set free and continue his police work.

All the brouhaha was caused by her husband. But surprisingly he was not charged to court at all.

What do u mean by the husband wasn't charged to court.
Na him shoot the gun? U well so?

engrchykae:
Africans,black Africans.
Both Israel and Arabs are thieves

Can u provide evidence for this claim.

CoronaVirusPro:
Jewish Christian? Where are they? America?

Even the Jewish community in New York are not Christians!

You guys will just be attaching yourselves to Jews that share absolutely nothing with you!

Like I said earlier! Christians are still behind Muslim right inside Israel! And there are more mosque in Israel than churches.

Like I said, use your own data. There are at least 300 thousand Jews who acknowledge Jesus as the Messiah, they are called Messianic judaism.

Next time if u don't know enough about something, just shut up. Stop spreading ignorance.

CoronaVirusPro:
You have Data available to you, and can do your research.

Christians are behind Muslims in Israel.

Mr Man use your own data. There are millions of Jewish Christians on earth today. Far more than any Jewish Muslim if at all they even exist.

CoronaVirusPro:
Less than 3 % in Israel. Behind Muslims.

I hope u know there are more Jews living outside Israel than inside it.

The Muslims in Israel are arabs not jews

BiafraInc:
Non at all. The Bible attested to that too. Google is your friend. These things are easy to find.

Ok I guess I mentioned the wrong guy.
because one guy up there claimed present Palestinians are descend from cannanites.