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sonmvayina:
Something is wrong with the Yashua/Jesus messiah…. In the Hebrew text the Messiah must Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28). Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6). Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4) Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world – on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9). Come from the line of King David (see Genesis 49:10, Isaiah’s 11:1, Jeremiah 23:5, 33:17; Ezekiel 34:23-24). The most important aspect each one of these prophecies teach us about the Messiah is that if an individual fails to fulfill even one of these conditions during his lifetime, then that individual cannot be the prophesied King Messiah of the final redemption. The New Testament Messiah Jesus/Yeshua has failed with fulfilling everyone of these messianic prophecies, which excludes him from being the Messiah.

Caveatemptor:
You have started again. When we give you evidence, you bury your head in the sand like an ostrich and begin giving circular arguments and then when that doesn't work you resort to insults. I am not going to join you in the mud where you belong.
Refute what I wrote and I will give you passages direct from the bible.

Caveatemptor:
Answering to the emboldened while ignoring the rest.....
The bible is a book full of contradictions celebrating: Slavery,misogyny, rape,genocide, human sacrifice, destruction of entire civilisations,incest,and lies amongst some many other crimes.

jaephoenix:
I have debates with you and I have found youre a dummy.
1. So because I mistook another person's post as yours then automatically I was dazed? When in fact I was multitasking at that point. And you want to tell me you have never made that error before? Foooool.
2. I also found out you are empty. I remember that thread. It was about the errors in the Bible, and you couldnt counter a single bible error. Idiiiooot!
3. You also didn't know cancers have spontaneous remission and you were masquerading as a medical personnel. Scammerrr.
4. You are already trying to derail this thread like you did in that.
Please stick to the topic. Mumu
5. You obviously don't know what destiny is. Please pick up a dictionary, remove your religion tinted glasses and tell me what they say about destiny.

jaephoenix:
I thought u said Yahweh didn't say anything in the Bible.
Oga liar

Ohyoudidnt:
Pretty strange how the statements credited to Jesus don't seem to exactly agree.
Does John 5:30 not say: I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

Ohyoudidnt:
Does this then not contradict his saying the most important one?

Ohyoudidnt:
You do not see that Righteousness is not turning to face because of your obsession with bowing. Allah is sufficient for muslims.

There are three parts of writing in your Bible as you have previously stated. The Quran is all revelation but you wouldn't understand. Muslims bow in reverence to Allah alone and there are some muslims that don't geniculate in greeting as this is viewed to be reserved for Allah alone.

Ohyoudidnt:
Mark 12: 29 The most important one answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.

This is in answer to the statement Mark 12:28
One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?”

Where did Jesus specifically say the one lord comprises of 3 equal parts or 3 parts?

Ohyoudidnt:
And so We have made you ˹believers˺ an upright community so that you may be witnesses over humanity and that the Messenger may be a witness over you. We assigned your former direction of prayer only to distinguish those who would remain faithful to the Messenger from those who would lose faith. It was certainly a difficult test except for those ˹rightly˺ guided by Allah. And Allah would never discount your ˹previous acts of˺ faith. Surely Allah is Ever Gracious and Most Merciful to humanity.(Q2:143)

We see the turning of thy face (for guidance) to the heavens; now shall We turn thee to a Qiblah that shall please thee. Turn then thy face in the direction of the Sacred Mosque; wherever ye are turn your faces in that direction. The people of the book know well that that is the truth from their Lord nor is Allah unmindful of what they do. (Q2:144)

All muslims facing the Ka'bah is a symbol of unity, and the Ka'bah and what is around it is blessed

Righteousness is not that you turn your faces toward the east or the west, but [true] righteousness is [in] one who believes in Allah , the Last Day, the angels, the Book, and the prophets and gives wealth, in spite of love for it, to relatives, orphans, the needy, the traveler, those who ask [for help], and for freeing slaves; [and who] establishes prayer and gives zakah; [those who] fulfill their promise when they promise; and [those who] are patient in poverty and hardship and during battle. Those are the ones who have been true, and it is those who are the righteous.(Q2:177)

Caveatemptor:
I suggest you start your search from Marcion of Sinope. He was the first man/theologian to create a bible before the current council of Nicaea bible you are currently clutching on to.
The problem with Christians is your refusal to read and do research and in cases where you research your refusal to recognise the truth even if it slapped you in the face.
Your circular form of reasoning prevents you from accepting any truth contrary to" the truth in the Bible ".

For your information before the council of Nicaea, Marcion compiled and created his own bible and his own philosophy of religion in which there were two different gods. The evil wicked inferior demiurge god of the old testament and the loving superior god of the new testament and the father of Jesus.
The church elders and the Romans declared this man's bible heresy and his bible and books were destroyed and burned by the Roman government of the day and the current bible created with more books.
Read up. These things are all over the Internet if I am telling lies but the problem is you reason in a circular way. Any thing in your Roman created bible is true,no matter how ludicrous it sounds.
Good luck.

jaephoenix:
Obviously you haven't taken time to read your Bible. But that is all common theme amongst theists. They rant and rave about their books but haven’t taken out time to read them.
So I'll indulge you one more time. So here goes….


These are the most relevant verses

Verse Concepts

Caveatemptor:
To people like you,all you aim for is to according to you,"Bury you just like I did....."
I am not interested in that but to point out facts and the folly of your thought process when you decide to suspend rationality and assume the emotional toga of faith.

The point is that the bible is an amalgamation of disjointed plagiarised myths cobbled together by men/scribes and not the words of an omniscient deity. These books were cobbled together in a haphazard way by the Romans (who had adopted Christianity as a state religion) and the Catholic Church at certain Christian Council meetings where doctrines were adopted.
Doctrines that did not meet the agenda of the Roman government and the Catholic priests were jettisoned, while those that matched the agenda were adopted as canonical. That is why the bible is packed full of apparent contradictory statements and philosophy. Once you understand this simple fact the problem of contradiction in the Bible is clearly understandable.

And a subtle reminder,you did not bury anyone on any thread. Your problem is once people refused to see things from your jaundiced viewpoint,you resorted to abuse and everyone just vacated the thread for you,so as to avoid descending to the level you wanted them to descend to-the mud.

jaephoenix:
Lol. This nigga. Obviously you haven't read this Bible cos if you did, you'd know its filled with bullshit.
One of the regular defenses chrissies put up when you confront them with the buybull is they say 'if you read the bible to look for errors, you'll find errors' and I'm like 'so you knew there were some mind-boggling cock-ups in that buybull but you still decide to base your whole life and still argue on it? '

jaephoenix:
Wtf is this nigga on?!
The Bible is littered with verses where its literally clearly written "….. and thus sayeth the Lord… "
And many of those verses were instructions and punishments meted by the all so loving god.

Besides your bible also said in 2 Timothy 3:16-17 (New International Version)
16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work
Its clearly written there 'All' not some, or few but all
See dude, I suggest you actually sit down and read this your Bible once
Shalom

AntiChristian:
Which verse have you seen that says Muslims bow to stones in worship like the Catholics does to the graven images of Jesus and Mary?

No one worships stone in Islam!

Caveatemptor:
You have successfully shown that the bible is not an inspired word of an omniscient deity. It is filled up with myths plagiarised/stolen from ancient civilisations. That is why there are so many contradictions and conflicting stories because the different stories were compressed into its present formats by the Romans and the Catholic Church at the various councils of Nicaea,Constantinople,and Ephesis amoung others. These were the meetings where the Romans and their collaborators in the early Church decided which of the various books circulating around were canonical and those that were heresy.
Those that the church selected became the books of the Bible while those not selected were left out.
You need to read a bit more. The books in the Bible were written by men!

jaephoenix:
In other words, you want to contradict what the bible said. Remember the bible said its the complete word of god. No one is to add or subtract or second guess it. If you do, ita death. Try and read this your Bible at least

oyatz:
Actually, most of the Hadiths reflected the true pictures of life in the 7th century Arab Societies.

The 7th Century Al-Hijaz, Arabia was a Desert with few Oasis towns and ,thus few opportunities to sustain thriving societies. Thus, many clans were in constant struggles (which are ofte violent) against their rivals/neighbours for the few available resources e.g water bodies& grazing grounds.

Violence was freely used and was an acceptable means of settling scores or stamping their authorities against their rivals.


The wealthy people , only made wealth through International Trade and Mecca was along the trade route.

Prophet Muhammad was born in and grew-up in that Society. He also used such cultural means to operate.

The problems crept in when,later-day over zealous Muslims elevated Prophet Muhammad to the Status of a Divine person whose actions were 100% perfect and MUST be emulated by all muslims , regardless of the era or places they live.

bewla:
19 ,27

Not 9 ,27

bewla:
19 ,27

Not 9 ,27

Caveatemptor:
This contradiction is minor now. Why not check out the Jesus resurrection stories in the four gospels which is supposed to be the foundation of Christianity.

englishmart:
I thought it was inspired.

bewla:
no until you read and tell me what does verse say then your point will be answered


But to put it to you Islam is peace
As the name imply

bewla:
Read and lean


Luke 9 vs 27
Luke 14 vs 26
Hebrew 9 vs 22


This may help you


And pls don't come up with it's old testament


This don't work

For God say till the earth and heaven pass none of my word will not come to pass

MimiSheWrote:
As expected... There's would always be that one guy. #Sighs

Sir I'm certain you didn't read my entire note, or you simply don't get my point. I'm not telling anyone not to Japa, it's a free world... I'm only revealing the dark side of the moon, Which everyone deserve to know about too atleast before making a life decision. What's not fair is basing your decision entirely only on the bright side of the moon. I'm not wicked sir... And never will.

bewla:
you probably have never gone out of your religion to seek knowledge


Pls don't fill insulted am only trying to say it the best way I can.
be honest with your self and open minded toward Islam aask question
Lean then you can now judge for your self
Not what people say

planetx:
You are still fresh of the boat so keep comparing. You will discover the real UK soon.