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TheMadame:
CONCLUSION.

If a judge sentence u to death. And u have 2 months left before the execution.
What would be your priority. Moaning over lack of sex, if u are a spinster- moaning because u will never marry.

One thing I've noticed about u is once it comes to the bible u throw away your sense of sound reasoning and become irrational.
That's why u never answer any question we ask u here.

How can girl who's about to be killed become obsessed with her virginity. Of all things to worry about.
Even her friends joined to moan her virginity. Someone that's about to die

Gosh....only Jah can help u.

Dtruthspeaker:
And what was his vow?
Answer: To give her to The Lord like Hannah gave Samuel.

Let me ask u a question
If a judge sentence u to death. And u have 2 months left before the execution.
What would be your priority. Moaning over lack of sex, if u are a bachelor- moaning because u will never marry.
What u guys are pushing makes no sense at all and u all know it.

It's just an exercise to throw anything at the bible once it seems ambiguous.
U immediately throw away your sense of sound reasoning and logical thinking.

TheMadame:
CONCLUSION.

Very smart. U deliberately removed the verses that destroys the narrative u pushing.
Why are u removing from God's word? God's judgement in Revelation 22 applies to u.

The salient point that clearly explain this passage remain why did Jephthah's daughter weep over her virginity?
Why did her friends join her in moaning her virginity?

Answer the question and the ambiguity in the passage is eliminated.

NairaLTQ:
They hope for the intercession of a black stone that has been broken into pebbles for intercession on the day of judgement

They kiss it as they would kiss their prophet Muhammad : that this stone will remember them for good on the day of judgement.

The face the stone to pray their five daily prayers (but they would accuse the Catholics of Idolatory)

The stone had been part of Idolatory even before the birth of Mohammed. Anything that would bring people to the Religion of Mohammed is welcome.

The stone has the power to erase their sins: is this not Idolatory!?

As u can see Ohyoudidnt has gone ghost mode after receiving the shock of his life in Leviticus 26.1
I guess that would give him something to ponder on about the reality of Islam.

A God that instruct people not to bow to any stone even if sacred cannot say otherwise in another book.
It only mean one thing. The two deity are not the same.

Now let's see if this pseudo biblical critics can apply sound reasoning and logic to the topic of discourse.

So when Jephthah daughter was told about the vow by her father, she asked for permission to go to the mountain and weep because she would never marry.

But grant me this one request,” she said. “Give me two months to roam the hills and weep with my friends, because I will never marry.”

According to TheMadame, the main worry of someone who's about to be killed is that she would never find husband to marry, she cried because she would never have sex.
Of all the things to cry about, it's her virginity that's her priority. She didn't cry about being killed at her prime, she didn't cry about her loved ones she would leave behind, her family, her friends, her life. Na marriage and sex be her problem.

Ok let's agree sex was her problem and really distraught about the fact she will never have a taste of that pleasure.

What about her friends? They too were upset that their friend would die without tasting the forbidden fruit?

She and her friends went into the hills and wept because she would never marry. Judges 11.38

So they followed a person about to die to the mountains to cry about her virginity?

According to TheMadame and Dantedasz, a teenage girl that's about to die will gather her friends around her to weep with her because she would never have sex.
Na so the thing dey shack them for ancient Israel.

Some people are very terrible human beings with lack of sound reasoning as a result of seared soul.
To them, a girl who's about to die would call her friends to join her to weep over her virginity.

All I see in TheMadame and Dantedasz is the influence of a sexually and morally bankrupt country like Nigeria on their thought process. They can't think straight anymore.
Sex is such a big deal to them that they think someone about to be killed would be weeping over it.
What a shame!!!

Dantedasz:
Look son,I am only going to say this once so pay close attention.

WHERE YOUR BIBLE KNOWLEDGE ENDS IS WHERE MY OWN KNOWLEDGE OF THE BIBLE BEGINS.

Argue with your poorly written story book.

So loud from someone that said the father sacrificed his begotten on the stake.

Well let me leave u with this...

Deuteronomy 18:10
There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer

Deuteronomy 12:31
You shall not worship the Lord your God in that way, for every abominable thing that the Lord hates they have done for their gods, for they even burn their sons and their daughters in the fire to their gods.

Dantedasz:
Is human sacrifice condoned by your supreme deity in your religious book or not?
Abraham.
Jephthah
Jesus .
Argue with your story book mate.

Start attending bible study classes and thank me later.
U are too weak for me to spend time on.

Dantedasz:
The joke is on you and your fellow Christians.
This rubbish is in your religious book.
Your god supports and enables human sacrifice to hself. Examples abound in your book. Abraham and Isaac,Jephthah and his nameless daughter and above all the sacrifice of his only begotten son on a stake.
The jokes on you son.

🥱🥱🥱

Show me your shallow knowledge of the bible without telling me.

TheMadame:
Here you are

How many women went to the tomb of jesus according to gospel of John account.
Pls answer the question with logic.

Once u done we will thrash your new post.
Unless u understand logic, it's pointless debating u.

Dantedasz:
Christians never cease to amaze and twist things written in their holy books. The Christian god pretends not to love human sacrifice but encourages it throughout the book. from Abraham and Isaac to Jephthah and his daughter to even his own begotten son Jesus Christ. Pastors in churches seldom or ever preach on the Jephthah conundrum because it puts their god in a bad light. Christians always avoid threads like this one because they have no answers to the questions raised on the morality of human sacrifice of an innocent girl on a bon fire to please a god. the brave Christians will come her and argue in an illogical manner that the girl was not sacrificed but consecrated as a virgin to god.

Show us where the girl was used as sacrifice or shut up.
As per TheMadame, I stopped taking her serious when she couldn't answer my simple question of logic in her previous thread.
If I bounce on u too now, u go gentle. Bunch of fake wannabe atheist or whatever Una call yourself.

AntiChristian:
Of course the black stone is not our God but we obey Allah and His messenger by doing so! And it seems you don't understand worship!

Which God tells u to obey him by bowing down to stone?
Definitely not God of the bible. He forbids us from bowing down to stones no matter how sacred it is.

This is what God Almighty says about worshipping stones.


‘Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the Lord your God.
Lev 26.1

Any religion that tells u to bow down to a black stone is not from God.
A god that needs u to bow down to a black stone for whatever reason is not the God of the bible- YAHWEH.

This clearly proves one thing...Allah is not God Almighty of the bible.

What u guys do to kabba in Mecca is pure idolatry.

Ohyoudidnt:
Just watch the clip it shouldn't take more than 20 minutes.

Sorry, not interested. I'm more interested in opening your eyes to the truth.

Ohyoudidnt:
No muslim worships an image.

That's a lie. Muslims bow down to the black stone.

Now what does the bible say about bowing down to stones?

‘Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the Lord your God.
Lev 26.1

Any religion that tells u to bow down to a black stone is not from God.
A god that needs u to bow down to a black stone for whatever reason is not the God of the bible- YAHWEH.

Ohyoudidnt:
Yeah right.

Point is this distressing spirit proceeds from the lord or us this God?

This spirit proceeds from God like the holy spirit that's also God?

U not going to explain bible exegesis to me. The scripture is interpreted in context not taking a single verse and running with it.
Did God bring evil upon Job? No, But he definitely allowed it.
U claim the distressing spirit proceed from God but it disappears when David plays the harp- music.
Show me where anything that proceeds from God is controlled by playing the harp.
Common sense will tell u that distressing spirit is either depression or bipolar disorder- a mental illness. That's why music helps calm the distressing spirit.

Disease is not of God, Illness is as a result of man's disobedience and world corruption.

Ohyoudidnt:
Yeah right.
Where exactly does Allah instruct to bow down and worship a black stone? This must be your fantasy.

Well then u have to explain what I see on TV all the time when Muslims congregate around the kabba. Muslims are seen bowing down to this kabba all the time in Mecca.

My friend that's idolatry in it's pure form.
How can u bow down to a graven image and u claim it's not worship.

It contradict the 2nd commandment of God.

You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God,

That alone disqualify Allah as God of the bible.

Ohyoudidnt:
@SirTee15 on the side did you watch the Arrivals seaaon? Take a look at Part 36

I'm not a fan of season movies, unnecessary plot drag isn't my thing.
If there's anything in the arrival season that pertain to what we discussing here, say it and we will dissect it.

Allah is not YAHWEH
THE 10 COMMANDMENTS IS THE PROOF


You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God,

Ohyoudidnt:
It now seems obvious you don't understand the God you worship.

1 Samuel 16 reads:
14 But the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul, and a distressing spirit from the Lord troubled him.
15 And Saul’s servants said to him, “Surely, a distressing spirit from God is troubling you.
16 Let our master now command your servants, who are before you, to seek out a man who is a skillful player on the harp. And it shall be that he will play it with his hand when the distressing spirit from God is upon you, and you shall be well.”


How is this distressing spirit from the lord, from God and from God not God?

The spirit of God departed from Saul and God allowed a distressing spirit- possibly mental illness to disturb him.
Just like the story of Job, God allows the spirit of your desires to consume u.

The evil spirit was “from” the Lord in that it was allowed by God to harass Saul.
God didn't create evil for mankind but ultimately all things are under God’s control- both good and evil.
The evil spirit tormenting Saul was part of God’s judgment upon Saul for his disobedience.

I repeat, the God in the bible is not Allah. The ten commandments clearly proved it.

You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God,

The fact that the god of Islam tells u to bow down and worship a black stone practically disqualified Allah as YAHWEH.

Ohyoudidnt:
Then God said, 'Let us make man in our image, according to Our likeness...'" (Genesis 1:26)

God Hates
“There are six things which the Lord hates, yes, seven which are an abomination to Him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that run rapidly to evil, a false witness who utters lies, and one who spreads strife among brothers.” (Proverbs 6:16-19)


God Feels Pleased
“And the speech pleased the Lord, that Solomon had asked this thing.” (1 Kings 3:10)

The Lord told Solomon to ask Him for anything. God was pleased when Solomon asked for wisdom to discern between good and evil to judge God’s people. God was so pleased, He granted Solomon’s petition and also blessed him with riches and honor.

Feeling pleased is a natural emotion, one which we received from God. We should desire to please Him, and we should be pleased with Him.


Do you think your God cannot have the opposites of these feelings?

If man is created in the image of God according to your bible where then does all the emotions of mankind come from?

When the Israelites were in captivity and God showed the pharoah numerous signs didn t he cause/bring him distress?

You believe in God and agree he has power over everything?

He creates and allows things to happen from hot weather to cold weather, floods to droughts and you believe these are just for fun?

There is a heaven and there's hell? You believe these are created for creation sake?

Anyway there surely are core differences in your concept of God and mine. Mine is uniquely one while yours is uniquely 3 in one in a way that surely confuses you yourself.

In any case review those verses you list and actually pick out the names of Allah though these are epithets perhaps you will have understanding.

That's why God in the bible isn't Allah. Pure and simple.

Maynman:
Then rethink this wack analogies since it doesn't apply.

"Would it be EVIL if the maker of Sophia (the AI Robot) David Hanson from Hanson Robotics decide to decommission Sophia and reuse the components for something entirely not related to Sophia?"

"it is just like an artist creating a painting and given it a name, he can decide to clean the painting to draw another one, who is it harming?"

Sorry lol

God is the creator and giver of soul, He gave soul to man. He can demand of it anytime and anywhere without asking us. He doesn't owe us that explanation.
Our soul belongs to him.

Regarding the morality question.

Humans slaughter animals at will without care for their own self preservation instinct. Did they tell u they want to die? No but we deprived them of their inmate desire to live so that it's body may be consumed.
Do u know why we able to do this without our conscience being troubled. because we are not bound by the moral principles of the animal world. Whatever law is created within the realm of animal existence is for them to follow and not for us.

Same for God.
God is outside our realm of human moral conscience or moral fibre. He's not bound by it.
We define evil or harm based on our understanding of this physical world. God is not of this physical world, so human laws and code of conduct can't apply to him.
It's very wrong for a human to kill a fellow human for his selfish desire because he didn't make that soul. U can't take what is not yours. But that moral principles can't be applied to God because he's not human.

Another thing u all need to understand is this.
To us humans, when we die it all ends. Our understanding of life is restricted to this physical world.
For God, death simply means separation of soul from the body. The soul doesn't die, it's simply a transition to another realm of existence where the soul continues to exist.
So why should God be troubled because he decides to take a human soul from one house to another house. Why should he be perturbed by such action. It makes no logical sense.
It's like when we drag a toddler from his playroom to his bedroom to sleep. The toddler isn't happy he's being denied the right to continue to play with his toys and visibly upset about it. The parent care less because it's the right time for the child to go to bed. Simple.

LikeAking:
Allow the op breath..

Are u alright?
Someone is sinking and u saying she should drown further.
Did u read her post I quoted. Does that look like a Muslim to u...
Has it occured to u it may actually be a cry for help.

FxMasterz:
You captured it.

Many of her views are coloured with Christian doctrines which no Muslim would accept. Vanessa7 cannot say it anywhere in a Muslim gathering that the Holy Spirit lives in her, or that she is being atoned by the blood of Rams. Even Antichristian would disagree with her. In short, she's neither a Christian nor a Muslim. She's just trying to be something, mostly taking a position to justify herself for forsaking Jesus. Was Jesus real to her? Of cause He was. She can't deny that? Did Jesus die? Of cause she knows He did? Did Jesus resurrect? Of course, she has witnessed the power of His resurrection live and direct except what she wrote up there are outright lies as I have earlier assumed.

With all the little things I know about the Quran; how Allah does not know that Mariam the sister of Aaron is different from Mary the mother of Jesus, how Allah does not know that there was no Samaritan whatsoever in the days of Moses, how Allah does not know that Jacob and Israel are the same person, and many more such avoidable blunders. How can she prove to me that the Quran is the pure word of God? Infact, I'm earnestly seeking genuine answers because I don't know how these issues can exist in a so called book dictated by God, and the adherents keep following even without the answers.

She's really struggling. Obviously she entered that religion because of the tag Mrs, nothing more.
Now she has realised what other Muslim converts also later realise. Islam is shallow and lack substance.

All to Islam is believe in one God and follow a false prophet whose character can only be defended and sustained thru threat, violence and intimidation.

AntiChristian:
Of course the black stone is not our God but we obey Allah and His messenger by doing so! And it seems you don't understand worship!

Bowing down for Angels In Genesis 19:1-2
The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. “My lords,” he said, “please turn aside to your servant’s house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning....”

Was Lot worshipping the two Angels?

Was Elisha being worshipped by the Shunammite's woman in 2 Kings 4:37?
She came in, fell at his feet, and bowed to the ground. Then she picked up her son and went out.

Abigail bows down facedown for David in 1 Samuel 25:23-24
When Abigail saw David, she quickly got off the donkey, fell facedown, and bowed before him.

We have thrashed this b4 in previous debate. U just don't want to learn.
Bow or prostate is not the same as worship. Reverence is given to whoever u consider superior to u in whatever way u define it.
Yoruba men prostate to their elders but that doesn't denote worship.
All above examples mentioned either bow or prostate, not worship. Check the Hebrew interlinear if in doubt. The Hebrew word for worship is clearly only for God.

AntiChristian:
Are the worshiping of Angels and people above too idolatry?

You are bragging on ignorance with arrogance!




We don't worship stone!
No Muslim has that intention!

Yes u do!!!
I repeat, the problem here is u guys don't have the 10 commandment. How can u bow to a graven image and say it's not worship.
How's that different from idolaters who bow to statutes. Ask them, they will tell u they don't worship the statute but the god it was made for!!!
God hates idolatry, he detest sharing his glory with images created with human hands.
The kabba is a man made structure and bowing to it paganism in its purest form. Simple.

AntiChristian:
Just as the Maggi and Cananite woman who bowed for Jesus didn't worship him but showed respect!

Jesus was worshipped my friend. The Greek koine word for worship used for God is also used for Jesus. Check Greek koine interlinear if in doubt.

AntiChristian:
The next time you include any Holy Spirit inspired abuse in your write up i would report you to the mod!

See this big hypocrite. Typical of people of your faith. What u dash out to others u cant take. See your big mouth calling to mods.
Why didn't u cry out to mods when u wrote this....

AntiChristian:


Bow down? Na that one be your problem?
Many people worshiped like that in your Bible! Even Jesus bowed down to ground to his father who happens to be himself...lol
But it is better to have just only one God than having one God father who can send his son messages but the son is also himself!

Jesus didn't bow down to a graven image my friend.
He bow down to God. Is the black stone your god.
When are u going for your own trip to lick your stone god.

I don't really blame u guys. It's Muhammed the scammer that put u lots in this mess.
He failed to give u guys the ten commandments. Assuming u have the 10 commandment in the Koran u would know it's idolatry licking a black stone and calling it worship.


Exodus 20.4
“You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.

I know u need some level of induced insanity to convince yourself to follow a character like Muhammed but common.....licking a stone and calling it worship is on another level.

AntiChristian:


Bow down? Na that one be your problem?
Many people worshiped like that in your Bible! Even Jesus bowed down to ground to his father who happens to be himself...lol
But it is better to have just only one God than having one God father who can send his son messages but the son is also himself!

Jesus didn't bow down to a graven image my friend.
He bow down to God. Is the black stone your god.
When are u going for your own trip to lick your stone god.

I don't really blame u guys. It's Muhammed the scammer that put u lots in this mess.
He failed to give u guys the ten commandments. Assuming u have the 10 commandment in the Koran u would know it's idolatry licking a black stone and calling it worship.


Exodus 20.4
“You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.

I know u need some level of induced insanity to convince yourself to follow a character like Muhammed but common.....licking a stone and calling it worship is on another level.

AntiChristian:
The Trinity explained at last...

The Trinity teaches that God asked himself to go to earth to save mankind. Then he agreed with himself and volunteered himself to himself to offer himself. Then God impregnated a women as himself, with himself.

God prayed to himself and glorified himself repeatedly. (In between this, Satan had to tempt God...) God strengthened himself and talked to himself. Finally God forsook himself and sacrificed himself to prove his loyalty to himself. While dead he resurrected himself so he could exalt himself above himself.

Then he sat at his own right hand and waited till he placed his enemies at his foot stool.Finally with Satan's forced defeated, God would turn his kingdom over to himself that all
things would become everything to himself.

Now you should understand the concept of trinity vividly!

By Samson Lucas Bashir

Logic coming from stone lickers, stone worshippers.
I think it's better to worship 3 gods than travel all the way to a remote desert to bow down to a black stone.

22jumpstreet1:
that was GOD talking to Isaiah.....

Then show me where isaiah spoke in v16 with evidence.

22jumpstreet1:
loll....you see what i am saying

the passages Christian attribute to Jesus has got nothing to do with him.
there is no Jesus in the Tanach,
the messiah that God promised the Jews was a mortal man from line of david..it means he will have a father and a mother....
Jesus virgin birth disqualifies him...

the Jews don't have gods mating with human, it is actually a Greco- roman ideology...

the suffering servant in Isaiah 53 in Israel and psalms are songs not prophesies...

Isaiah 53 is a song. Seriously, the confabulation is real.

Regarding your virgin birth argument.
Then who is Isaiah 9.6 about.

I dont know where u got the idea of God mating with human from. Maybe Islam but definitely not christianity.
Jesus coming as a virgin birth has more to do with him not having the adamic nature than a Messianic prophecy.
But tell me who is isaiah 9.6 referring to.

22jumpstreet1:
loll....you see what i am saying

the passages Christian attribute to Jesus has got nothing to do with him.
there is no Jesus in the Tanach,
the messiah that God promised the Jews was a mortal man from line of david..it means he will have a father and a mother....
Jesus virgin birth disqualifies him...

the Jews don't have gods mating with human, it is actually a Greco- roman ideology...

the suffering servant in Isaiah 53 in Israel and psalms are songs not prophesies...

Psalm 110 isn't suffering servant my friend.

The Lord says to my lord:[a]

“Sit at my right hand
until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet.”

Who is the 2nd Lord here?

22jumpstreet1:
give me one place Jesus is mentioned or implied in the old testament and i will wire you 10k now....

I mean it..
first, give me the prophesies the messiah must fulfill to be the messiah...and how Jesus fulfilled them...

Start with the suffering servant in Isaiah 53 and then psalm 110.

TheMadame:
Now you are trying to turn this into a competition. I have clearly posted the screen shot of the relevant passage above .if you can not comprehend the passage then I am unable to help you. I will not be responding to you any further .

Problem with your likes...
We bring biblical evidence...u will reject.
Ok let's go for logical evidence...u disappear.
All u do is make claim u can't defend.
It's like u think we Christians can't use our brain and won't be able to decipher the nonsense u people throw at us.

Actually we Christians appreciate logical reasoning more than u guys. It takes sound logic for an enlightened mind to embrace Christianity.

TheMadame:
Why are Christians always like this? Once you question their perceived beliefs you are automatically-
1. A bible critic pretending to be a Christian.
2. An unbeliever.
3. Not a proper Christian.
4.
To read your Bible and pray for understanding from the Holy spirit.


I have seen it all and your verbosity and assumptions can not change my own ideology of how to be a Christian believer. I am simply telling you that I am not convinced in what you are trying to tell me.
There are contradiction in the resurrection stories in the four canonical gospels . You don't have to accept what I saying neither do you need to force/spoon feed my with your own ideology.
On a final note I wish to advise our Christian brothers and sisters to stop trying to twist Bible passages into your own assumed meanings. Do not add and do not subtract. Revelation chapter 22 verse 18 is an adequate warning.
Good day.

U are simply trying to hide your pretense behind one finger. Come out without the mask and we will help u.
U refuse my explanation, then answer this simple question...
According to John's account, did Mary Magdalene visit the tomb alone.
According to Mathew's account, did angel roll away the stone before or after the women arrived.

Read the bible passages you ve been pasting up and down on this thread and answer my question.

22jumpstreet1:
the basic problem with Christians is that they don't read in context..

they try their best to make a writing say what it is not saying...

it was Isaiah speaking. He was referring to himself, there is nothing there to suggest what you are making it say...

Come near me and listen to this:

“From the first announcement I have not spoken in secret;
at the time it happens, I am there.”

Seriously Isaiah said this. A prophet describing himself in present definite 'I am there' for something in the past.
Do u understand the words of the prophet to the word of God in the scriptures?

Every bible commentary including Jewish ones identify the Messiah as the one speaking in v16.
We may argue and differ on who the Messiah is but HE definitely is the one speaking not Isaiah.

22jumpstreet1:
I have,
and i have also read books about olumba olumba too

i found them a big distraction to the worship of the creator....

Does olumba olumba filfil the criteria of prophethood according to the Abrahamic faith.
Do u actually understand the Deuteronomy passage I sent u.
Jesus alone fulfilled over 450 prophecies in the old testament.

TheMadame:
And here is another different account in Luke 24 v 4-10

It's obvious u are a cynic. U should have come out straight as a bible critic rather than all these pretense. Then we would have gone straight to logic to destroy your argument..whatever it is.

Now I have asked u a simple question regarding John's resurrection account. Be bold enough to answer it.