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[quote author=babe_online]I know African shops/restaurants. It is very pointless opening one in New Zealand. It is equally useless opening one in Aussie but its still better than having one in NZ.

http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/africans/page-1[/quote]Who is talking about opening a shop? Besides what makes it pointless even with the link you posted? My little economics taught me that breaking even does not necessarily have to do with volume! Items from an African shops are more expensive making up for any potential loss.

Truth is,immigrants to NZ/OZ are growing and food is one of the things they'd consider when making a choice!

Looking at it from another angle,who says an african restaurant manager can not manage a shop/restaurant where items from any part of the world is on sale?what happen to the listing of restaurant management in the skilled occupations list? A projection has been made about requiring a large number of restaurant managers to serve the growing population.

Either as an African shop/Restaurant Manager or as an OZ/NZ manager the prospect for that occupation is high up there.

Bottom line,it is pointless to think Restaurant Managers have no prospect when all indicators point to the high premium value placed on them!

[quote author=babe_online]Restuarant management?? what does that mean?? Do you want to open a restaurant?? I advise you not to because who and who are you expecting to patronize you?? OZ as the poster sunnydayasaba as suggested is a better place for you and even when you get there having a restaurant might not be a good work.[/quote]Ever heard of African shops/restaurant?

The growing number of immigrants from Africa in Australia/New Zealand makes this {Restaurant management} appealing and lucrative! Who says foreigners don't want to try out african cuisines too? Of course,they included Restaurant management as part of the skilled occupations because of the projection into the future!

So,there are loads of potential customers waiting to be served delicious sumptuous meal and Restaurant Management is the way to go!

blueQueen: Between, what is a PER?

You can read up more about PER in the link below
https://www.nairaland.com/1279130/canadian-federal-skilled-worker-program-timelines/23

thebaft: UPDATE:

Dear all,

I applied for the FSW 2013 programme under the 2147 NOC. My application arrived at CIO on 24 June 2013 and to God be the glory, I received my PER today - 12 September 2013.

Congrats!

adaobi123: Try this website

http://www.budgetair.co.uk/

The guys at budgetair don't accept payments from Nigeria!

MrsBee: we don't even want to reapply for at least another one year, we might just write for writing sake and go somewhere else for vacation.

It is good to write but I'd advise that you make whatever you need to express wait until such a time you are ready to reapply. You should understand that they will refer to your failed application anytime you want to reapply in the near future,so it is necessary to express your mind at that point so that your letter will be treated along with the application.

I understand how emotionally disturbed you might be right now hence your desire to want to write for clarification sake. But you need to honestly tell yourself the truth that your writing them now will change nothing!absolutely nothing based on the reasons for your refusal.

Just address the concerns raised by the ECO when next you are applying,include any letter you deem necessary to explain your situation/displeasure.

MrsBee: Hmmm, do you think writing them to explain the source can make them overturn their decision?

That will be medicine after death!
Work on your finances,avoid money lodgement,provide verifiable source/document for credit lodgements in your account that are not consistent with the bank statement over time.
Because your rights are limited,no matter the letter you will be asked to reapply especially when your personal circumstance has changed considerably.

kike100: @solomon, tx for d response. I meant in the application to CIC not WES.

Was the professional certificate evaluated by WES?

maskuraid: Morning good people. I'm planning to use my Zenith Bank Naira Mastercard to pay for my Visa fees. Please note that it is a DEBIT card tied to my current account (requires a PIN) and not a credit card. Can i proceed?Thank you all for your response.

You can make use of your Naira Master card{debit card} as long as it is enabled for internet payment. You don't need to provide your PIN,all you to provide are the card number,the expiry date and the Security{the 3 digit number at the reverse side of the card}

kike100: Hi all,

Please are we to include our professional certification in the application? Though I didn't see anywhere its included on the checklist, I just need to be sure.

•WES only evaluates credentials earned through formal academic training. Applicants should not submit short-term professional development courses or other non-formal, non-academic training documents. These types of documents will not be evaluated or included in the WES evaluation report.

The question is, was your professional course earned through formal academic training? Is it a short term development course? If you can provide answers to the questions then you'd know whether to include the professional certificates or not

blueQueen: Ok...is it the same as IELTS? Why can't you just send them ur transcript and certificate? Btw, I worked as a Trainee Geologist, can I apply under Geoscientist and is the cap reached? Thanks for the speedy response.

ECA is not the same as IELTS. Well, you can't just send them your transcripts and certificates as they'd need to be sure of the authenticity of the educational credentials you are sending as well as rate your qualifications to be sure it is equivalent to a Canadian qualification.

Your eligible occupation is 2113 classified as Geoscientists and oceanographers. As at the last update provided, only 10 complete applications have been received out of a total of 300 for that eligible occupation. If you have done a self assessment of having the work experience as it is on the NOC website,then you can proceed to get your ECA and IELTS and you can guide yourself with the instructions on www.cic.gc.ca and the experience of others here. If you have any question along the line,you can come on here to make enquiries.

blueQueen: .
What is ECA?

Educational Credentials Assessment {ECA} - ECA is issued by an agency approved by CIC to show it(your educational qualification) is equal to a completed Canadian secondary or post-secondary educational credential.

MrsBee: Hello House,

I am so devastated at the moment, i have been refused uk visa for the second time. the first time it was because i was applying alone and not with my husband. Then we decided that we apply together for the second time, provided all documents including wedding pics, introduction letter from employer, tax clearance, land documents, bank statements, investment account statement, introduction letter from my husband's brother who is a british citizen etc. And we discovered that we has been rejected today, our applications were sent to sheffield. Their reasons are below.
For my husband
"On your application you stated that you have been employed as a banker since 17/10/2007 and that you earn a total monthly income of 359,479.16 NGN (1461.36) a month. As evidence of this you have presented an employment letter form Bleep Bank. I note that your stated income is reflected in your bank statements, however I note that on28/07/2012 the balance in your account was 32,845.92 NGN (133.53) and then you deposited a total of NGN 1,503,500 (6,112.05) into your account between the 29/07/2013 and 07/08/2013. This funds represent more than 4 times your declared income. I do not find it credible that the credits to your account would be inconsistent, if your stated income was an accurate reflection of your actual circumstances especially that you have stated you do not receive any income from any other source because I am not able to understand the origin of funds held in your bank, I am not satisfied that you are genuinely available to support your visit not that the balance of this account is a true reflection of your usual financial circumstances. Furthermore I note that you have no evidence of travel and compliance with immigration procedures similar to those of the UK which might offset my concerns……………… Your right of appeal is limited to the grounds reffered to in section 84 (1) (c) of the Nationality, Immigration and Asylum Act 2002”

And for Mine

“On your application you stated that you have been employed as a banker since 17/10/2007 and that you earn a total monthly income of 169,000 NGN (687.02) a month. As evidence of this you have presented an employment letter form XXXXX. The bank statement indicate a current balance on 12/08/2013 of 118,798.16 (482.94) [/b]I note that you have indicated that the cost of the trip to you personally with be 900 pounds and considering that this represents more than the funds held in your bank account, I am not satisfies that this expenditure is credible when considered against your personal circumstances. Furthermore I note that you [b]have no evidence of travel and compliance with immigration procedures similar to those of the UK which might offset my concerns. You stated that your husband gives you 120pounds monthly for upkeep, however you have not provided any evidence of this. Furthermore I note that you have stated that your spouse will give you 1600 pounds towards the cost of your trip, however I note that on 28/07/2013 the balance your sponsor’s account was 32,845.92 NGN (133.53) and then he deposited a total of NGN 1,503,500 (6,112.05) into his account between the 29/07/2013 and 07/08/2013. This funds represent more than 4 times his declared income. I do not find it credible that the credits to his account would be inconsistent if he doesn’t receive any income from any other source because I am not able to understand the origin of funds held in your bank, I am not satisfied that you are genuinely available to support your visit not that the balance of his account is a true reflection of his usual financial circumstances ……………… Your right of appeal is limited to the grounds reffered to in section 84 (1) (c) of the Nationality, Immigration and Asylum Act 2002”

Meanwhile i submitted an investment account statement with 500k in it, this was not mentioned. Please we are so confused, help us with your suggestions, we are thinking of writing them.

While waiting for the experts to do justice to your refusal, the highlighted parts need to be addressed.

It was obvious there was money lodgments in your husband's account, the funds available for your trip is inadequate especially when you proposed that the trip will cost you 900 pounds and your account balance is half of that. Also, you don't have any travel history to offset the concern.

Those are the things you need to address. This thread is full of info that can help your situation, make time out to read from the beginning of this thread and you will be glad you did.

zeelo2014: good morning house. Just got a mail from WES that a copy of my cert has been sent to my school for verification. Where will it be sent to,Senate,Registrar or department? How long will it take to get there? Will I need to pay extra charges? And can it be sent together with my transcript since My school is yet to process the transcript? Thanks

The verification is usually sent to the exams and records unit in the registrar's office so you can follow up.

Regarding how long the process might be,that depends on the medium of communication between your school and WES. Also you have to factor in the response time between your school and WES before you can safely conclude on how long it will be.

rickyaman86: Hello,

I am Aman from India. I have few queries regarding immigration to Canada through FSWP:

- I have completed my Diploma in I.T. for 3 years, due to which i got qualified to direct second year of engineering in I.T. As per Canadian govt. needs 4 years of graduate. Do i have to do the assessment from local registrar for Diploma as well along with BE in I.T.

- When i will send my documents for assessment, i need to pay first, do i have to attach the payment receipt with my documents or WES ref. number will work.

- As i do not have credit card, is there any other way to pay the assessment fees.

- Is there any way, for assessment to be done faster.

- I am applying for Engineering Managers, what if the quota gets full.

Regards,
Aman

Regarding the bolded part in your first comment, the minimum requirement to qualify for the FSWP is a Canadian Diploma or equivalent. Some people don't have as much qualification (beyond diploma) but still meet up with the minimum required 67 points factoring other selection criteria.

Still on your first question, you can forward all your educational credentials from Diploma to Bachelor/Master degree to the assessing body of your choice (I always encourage this, even when you have a higher qualification it is always advisable to include your basic qualification - There's no penalty if you don't!).

You don't necessarily have to include your online payment receipt when sending credentials, all you need to do is to quote your reference number. They can access your profile and tell when payment has been made.

Regarding credit card, it is always advisable to pay using a credit card. The main reason being the fact that the process of transferring CAD$203.40 to WES is demanding and the charges involved will make it more expensive. You might also experience a slight delay in the payment/receipt confirmation. So I'd advise that you pay with a credit card. Again, if you can't pay for assessment using a credit card, how do you hope to get your application to CIO in Nova Scotia assessed timely when the process of wire transfer is time consuming? Remember, you are constrained by time and you are in competition with a whole lot of other applicants from all over the world who would have a less time consuming mode of payment(via credit card) than you.

Assessment can be done faster with most of the assessing bodies but that will require extra charges. Most of the assessing bodies made it clear that the fast track process has been suspend but I have seen a couple of people whose assessment have been fast tracked with a 3 day processing period.

If the cap for your eligible occupation get filled up, your application will be returned and you would have to pray fervently that your eligible occupation get listed in the net session. That is not to dissuade you from sending in your application as Engineering Manager though, you might just be lucky to be part of the 300.

kelo314: I was lucky to get my bachelor transcript the day I applied and was sent via DHL to CES in Toronto, both MSc & BSc certificates got there the same day and I received the evaluation after 2 weeks. I have worked in an agro-allied company as health and safety officer for 4 years before commencing my master in Sweden (2010.

Referring to the bolded part.

(I am assuming here that your Bsc transcript was obtained from a Nigerian Institution).It means the CES evaluation is faster than WES' evaluation. I see this as a marketing strategy which will eventually increase the evaluation/assessment processing speed of the assessing bodies.

In essence, assessment should be faster with CES than with WES.

okejji: I registered on this forum in 2009. I am back to this interesting forum. I wrote the IELTS test on 29 August 2013. I believe God that this time I will score 6.5 and above on each bauds. Then I can start to apply for the FSWP. I have experience in industrial instrumemtation. There is still hope for me. WES has sent my Assessment and I have gotten my police clearnce. Everything is working vwery well.

Given the rate of growth on the complete application received for your occupation,you should have no problem gaining a PER as soon as your complete application is forwarded to the CIO in Nova Scotia.

I would only advise that you ensure that your application is error free.
I wish you the very best in your IELTS.

haywhy80: Hi Solomonwis,

I noticed clearly you are very vast in Canadian Federal Skilled Worker Program. Please, I have a question.

Was IT professional always considered in the last five FSWPs?

Am interested to apply but consider it late due to the fact that the cap for computer engineer is getting close to 300.

Wouldn't mind to try 2014. Appreciate your response.

IT Professionals are always considered but it is not so much of the job title but of the work experience aligning with the NOC main duties relating to your occupation.

I would expect a number of changes in the 2014 session and I wouldn't expect IT professionals {and people in the medical profession} to be relegated. So IT professionals have always and will always be considered but it may be IT professionals in some specialised occupations.

kelo314: Hello All,

Please am new on this forum, I just submitted my application on 5th August under category NOC 2263, I would like to know if there is anyone in this forum under this category and who has received positive response from CIC to share his experience.

@LadyGuniverse and @ifechukwukamso applied under that eligible occupation,you can contact them.

barinnbomi: Solomonwis

I really appreciate your concern and can't thank you enough. App will be sent this weekend.

Will update you and the house.

Many thanks

Best wishes!

frankieO: Solomon I have 6 in listening,6.5 in reading,7 in writing and 6 in speaking please what is my total point thank u .

The total score point will be 19
Listening (6.0) - 4 points
Reading (6.5) - 5 points
Writing (7.0) - 6 points
Speaking (6.0) - 4 points

barinnbomi: @solomonwis

That was WES evaluation 3 years Diploma and 1 year postgraduate

To put it conservatively as I suspect you'd want to, it is equivalent to a 4 year Bsc. in Civil Enginering (But in my opinion, it is higher just by one point)

@barinnbomi

Trust you are good.. Pleas few concerns requiring clarifications

1. IELTS speaking 7, writting7.5, reading 6 and listening 6 Language by my calculations is 20, please help confirm.Your calculation is correct
2. Diploma 3 years and postgraduate certificate 1 year in civil engineering, it that same or equal to 4 years Bsc civil engineering - what was WES Canadian equivalence of your qualification?
3. Is it mandatory that representative documents is filled even when you are not using an agent? Not mandatory, this is optional
Thanks

baba ajala: pls can someone enlighten me on canadian skill worker immigration stuff. how it works

There's a thread with the title Canadian Federal Skilled Worker Program-timelines Here. Look up for it and ask your questions there
https://www.nairaland.com/1279130/canadian-federal-skilled-worker-program-timelines

promkingzz: Please i need info from those of you who have better knowledge about this. Ive also heard of Canadian visa lottery sometime ago but after careful investigation and online research i discovered it was trash. Please is there any other Country/Continent that legally conducts visa lottery programs besides the US?

Truth is most developed countries are not going to continue to risk opening their borders to people of different calibre all in the name of visa lottery! Given the situation of event the world over,these countries would rather open their border to people who would contribute meaningfully to the growth and development of the economy no matter how little. As it is now,only the USA is still conducting visa lottery and they are contemplating changing that to skilled worker program like other developed countries. So it will no longer be an all-comers affair but one that is carefully designed to help drive their economy.

Rather than look for countries with visa lottery,I'd advise you equip yourself well enough to be an economic contributor so you can move down to any country of your choice. In other words,equip yourself to be a skilled migrant so you have a wide range of choices on the countries to finally settle in.

New Zealand,Australia,Canada,Denmark,etc all have skilled migration program but they don't have visa lottery program.so the choice and preparation is yours to make

promkingzz: Please i need info from those of you who have better knowledge about this. Ive also heard of Canadian visa lottery sometime ago but after careful investigation and online research i discovered it was trash. Please is there any other Country/Continent that legally conducts visa lottery programs besides the US?

Truth is most developed countries are not going to continue to risk opening their borders to people of different calibre all in the name of visa lottery! Given the situation of event the world over,these countries would rather open their border to people who would contribute meaningfully to the growth and development of the economy no matter how little. As it is now,only the USA is still conducting visa lottery and they are contemplating changing that to skilled worker program like other developed countries. So it will no longer be an all-comers affair but one that is carefully designed to help drive their economy.

Rather than look for countries with visa lottery,I'd advise you equip yourself well enough to be an economic contributor so you can move down to any country of your choice. In other words,equip yourself to be a skilled migrant so you have a wide range of choices on the countries to finally settle in.

New Zealand,Australia,Canada,Denmark,etc all have skilled migration program but they don't have visa lottery program.so the choice and preparation is yours to make

[quote author=abi_jr]I usually fly direct to the UK but I want to experience something new so I've decided to take an indirect flight using KLM. But the transfer time at Amsterdam is 10hrs 10mins. I've never been to schiphol before so I have a little concern,hope we'll be allowed into the airport terminal and not be stuck in the lounge for the 10hrs wait? And hope there's a sleeping area within the airport. Will I be allowed to take a few mins excursion into town for views and probably taking of photographs?
Pls any frequent KLM traveller in the house shud kindly help clear my concerns. Thanks in advance.[/quote]You can't explore the town unless you a schengen visa or you have an EU passport just as Dis Guy mentioned.

Amsterdam is a nice place to be and I bet you won't have any dull moment during the 10hr lay over.

CHERIPH: Hello, I want to make some enquiries. I am a safety officer in Qatar but I want to relocate to Canada through the skilled work. Please how can I go about it house

With your job title,you are qualified to apply under the eligible occupation 2263 inspector in public and environmental health and occupational safety and health officer.

You need to be sure that your job description allign with what is stated on the NOC website. You also need to approach one of the authorised bodies {WES seem to be the most popular} for educational credentials assessment{ECA}. You should get your language test ready and then you can visit www.cic.gc.ca to assess whether you meet up the minimum score point of 67.

When you do all the above or in the process of getting the process outlined above done,you can come on here to ask whatever questions specific to your application.I'm sure lot of experienced people here will guide you through.

imadebaby: @ ifechukwu, sololmonwise and all pls did u guys fill anytin on the liability column? What is the implication of filling the liability? If u did like how much did u fill after showing proof of fund? Pls ur urgent replies will be appreciated as am planning to file 2day.

There are no hard and fast rules to it.if you have any liability(financial obligation to pay up some debts in the future) please fill the amount in the liability box,if you don't have any form oof liability,leave it blank. Nobody will penalise you if you don't fill it.

kike100: @solomonwis, God bless you ooo. I don send email tire so te I don tire. My occupation cap don reach sef! Am just trying to apply faith o and still send oooo. Mayb all these are signs it won't fly...pshewwwwwww

Cryingggggggggggggggg

I can understand but let's hope for the best. I honestly don't see why they should verify your qualification twice and I strongly suspect it is an internal error by WES.
I guess you have to be on them until you get a positive response.

kike100: My people help me oooooooo before I go bunkers!!! Am so getting frustrated with this WES people ooo. After sending the transcripts in June, they sent an email saying they have sent the transcript copies for verificAtion on the 9th of July only for it to get to OAU 3wks ago via postal mail!!!! OAU feedback same day via email cos I went to school and we saw the document amongst the numerous mail that arrived. WES confirmed receipt of the verification and said they were reviewing the document. Just this afternoon, I received another mail saying they have sent the document for verification again!!!
Please should the feedback be physical mail and not email?
Am so discouraged to continue this thing oooo abi how can one be on this WES thing for over 2months!and they are not picking calls....
Please what do you advise oooo.

It is time wasting trying to call them. Send them a mail via contactca@wes.org

You should explain your frustration in the body of the mail,complain of the back and forth time wasting procedure put in place. I bet you,you will see result.

I can understand how frustrating it can be but I bet you it is not worth giving up now. There will definitely be some changes in the next session and I see the application fee being jerked up and a whole lot of other hurdles to scale. If your eligible occupation cap is not reached yet,please don't give up.