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NNTR:
The drowning & ignoranus demon doing overtime grasping at straws did reveal to its human being host, that the devil is a liar, and father of lies

What are lies in the father, have becomes convictions in the children, children of doom.

Trust the demon reminded its human being host to give Daddy, a Happy Father's Day shout out, this Sunday passed

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

You have not disproved the OP,

All you need to do is disprove the points raised and show the kind f Messiah god promised them through the prophet..

If you can show me from the Jewish scriptures..then we can take this convo forward..not this rhetoric.

OkCornel:
I thought I’ll get an intelligent reply

Don’t disappoint me

Ok,

Do you know when th gospels where first published ?

OkCornel:
Is the Antiquity of the Jews written by first century historian - Josephus Flavius also fiction?

It’s the history of the Jews.

Please read Chapter 9, Book 20 - Antiquity of the Jews.

Are you trying to tell me there was no person who could write as at the time Jesus is sad to have lived. I want what somebody who actually met him and heard him speak had to say about him....

OkCornel:
John the Baptist;
John 1 v 29;
29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world”

Simon Cephas Peter, Son of Jonah and leader of the twelve.
Matthew 16 v 16;
16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.

Pontius Pilate - You can read up his interaction with Jesus in the synoptic gospels.

You are just very funny.

Haahahhahha..

OkCornel:
What exactly is your argument?

Is it whether Jesus existed or not?
Or disputes to his being the messiah?

Or both.

Jesus is a made up character by the Roman empire.

The gospels are theological fictions,

OkCornel:
John the Baptist, Pontius Pilate, the disciples.

I’m pretty sure there’s no dispute on the existence of these people, hmmm?

What did they say about him?

tctrills:
But still, it won't be right to say that the Roman empire created Christianity rather, the Roman empire converted to Christianity

The worshipers of Serapis where called Christians..

tctrills:
Oga, please do your research before saying things like these.
The Roman empire was already established before the birth of Christ.
At the birth of Christ, the Empire was already the most powerful on earth.

Yes,

The Romans had their own religion an the Jews had their
And other parts o the Roman empire too.
When Constantine became emperor he wanted a single religion for the empire. H gathered all the religious leaders to Nicea. After they argued for almost 6 months they finally agreed on Serapis as their god. Serapis finally became Jesus at the council of Ephasius in 430AD...the national religion of the Jews is Judaism and it is based on a national revelation..not one mans delusion..

MaxInDHouse:
See Mumu!


A person was silenced by politicians and his disciples were intimidated to the highest degree by the Jewish authority. Even killing anyone that profess faith in him.

Not until a COUNCIL OF POLITICIANS picked interest in his case while they have the backing of the world's most powerful emperor of their time. Do you think the Jews who have been displaced have any power over that again?

Come on use your brains!
Those unbelieving Jews have nothing more to do than continue grumbling underG anywhere they are after their city Jerusalem has been destroyed along with their temple!

That's why it's after the council that Jesus' case can no longer be buried!

Lol, can you actually hear yourself?

Which jeasd?

Why would God who promised to send them a Messiah blind them when he actually did. Does it make any sense.

No Jesus lived. The gospel stories was cooked up after Nicea. Possibly by Eusebius. He is the master forger.

Why would God send them a Messiah and nobody actually saw him and he did not accomplish what he promised h would,.

My friend it is high time you realise that you have been fooled.

OkCornel:
Cheers.

You’re referring to the corrupted version of Christianity tainted with Roman Paganism. I don’t subscribe to that fraudulent version.

Yeshua Ben Yosef (Melekh Maschiach) is the name it was known as at that time before it morphed into Iesous and eventually Jesus.

Who knew him?

I mean somebody that actually met him..

Okcornel, I have tried to follow the conversation as best as I can. I quite understand your pov, but one thing you must understand is the influence of Christianity at that time., Christianity became the official religion of the Roman empire after the council of Nicea. You need to research on the argument amongst the presbyters and why the council was conveyed..all documents about Christianity started appearing after the council. Any documents bearing the name Jesus where all written post Nicea. Prior to that time nobody knew any body by that name...

Maynmann:
They can’t quote it.

Jesus's name was never Yeshua bar Yosef. Jesus's life, story, and sayings originated in Greek and were nonexistent in Aramaic until translated into that language from the original Greek. There is not one iota of evidence that any story about Jesus ever originated in any language but Greek.

They will neglect this too...
Thanks a lot

OkCornel:
So which Jesus were the Jews happy to make mockery of in their following literatures?

1. Soncino Talmud
2. Toledot Yeshu

Abi these were "forged literatures" widely accepted by dumb Jews abi?

The one in the new testament.the Jesus of the Christians,

OkCornel:
Bros, it’s a simple question. Do the Jews believe Yeshua Ben Yosef (Jesus son of Joseph) once existed in their history?

Whatever insults they have concerning him is not the subject of focus. Did they believe he existed in their history? Yes or No.

Nooooooooo

See the book "the Jesus the Jews never knew"......

OkCornel:
Did Yeshua Ben Yosef (Jesus son of Joseph) exist in Rabbinical literatures...or were these forged by the Romans into Jewish history too...hmmmm?

It will be nice to quote them.

It will help your case..

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus is the Messiah all evidences are here!

You can't force your opinion on people all you need is to convince them not through stories from Babylonian Talmud but vivid proof that they can see!

I think I have clearly shown that.

If he is Messiah , how come his name is NEVER mentioned in any historical record. Not even one...sound odd, doesn't it?

Isacar:
it sure me say Papa God go dey laugh dis your post, no worry the Holy Spirit go reveal the truth to you tonight Anen

God is real

Jesus is not. He was created by the Roman empire under emperor Constantine

There is no where in the old testament where God said he had a son he was sending to die for the sins of man.

Gods solution to the problem of sin was sincere and genuine repentance..

God said he even hates human sacrifice...


God only gave us laws to follow. So we will live in peace and enjoy life..

Nothing more..

Note: if there is any where God said he was going to impregnate another man's wife to site a son that will be murdered to save the world in the old testament show me. I might have missed it..if not, then Jesus has got nothing to do with our creator.

I said it before here that Jesus is a creation of the Roman empire they wanted to eat me up.

Jesus wás created in Nicea on the other of emperor Constantine who wanted a single religion for his empire.

The gospel stories comes from ancient stories about Marduk, Horus. Dimuzi and co..

Christianity started in Egypt as the worship of Serapis

Jesus is not the Jewish Messiah.

The Jews don't have demi gods as part of their religion.

It is a greecoroman concept...others includes persius and Hercules. They are both sons of Zeus and mortal women.

The Jewish Messiah is coming just once, and bringing peace. He is NOT changing Gods commandments.

He is from the line of David through Solomon his son.

The two genealogies in Mathew and luke cannot produce a Messiah,


Jesus is an IDOL.

RUN FROM HIM..

Isaiah 7:14

HellVictorinho4:
To you

You are really dumb,

If you take time to read and understand,

I know you will come to the same conclusion..

Data is one of the cheapest things in Nigeria..

Get it and research..

God is existence...itself..

Maynmann:
What a jargons
I know you’ve heard this before; you are dumbest theist on nairaland.

Somebody else has noticed too...

No be only me..

MaxInDHouse:
Questioning comes to mind only when things aren't working fine, but when things are going according to order there's no tangible reason to question what you have!

Lol...mumu you..

Are you are robot?

Maynmann:
That is what what the epic of Gilgamesh said, I’m asking about the history of the Mesopotamia mythology.
Who wrote it?
I’m sure it was also influenced by another epic poem that has his own character names.

They are the first..

They where written in stones and bricks..

Maynmann:
And I’d we are to take the message of Mesopotamia mythology, we just go further and research about it, where exactly did the myth come from? Who are the Sumerians? They called themselves black headed people.

Anuñaki..

It is very very ok to question your beliefs. How else are you going to know.
"My people perish for !ack of knowledge"

Most times God with capital g is used to denote life itself, or existene itself. It is regarded as a single unit. Hence the name "universe".God is the personification of existence itself. It is called different name according to languages. The Igbos it is Chukwu, to te yorubas Eledumare, to the Bini's Osanobua, to the Indians Brahma, to the ancient Egyptian Ra, to the Jews Hashem, to the Babylonians Marduk. To the Romans Jupiter..etc. same idea different nomenclature. While the small g ..God is used to denotes the deities within the universe(God). gods are personification of the laws and principles of life. Which some scriptures refer to as 'sons of God" or angels..,
God(the universe) is one single indivisible entity. The idea of trinity or binity is bollocks..

Maynmann:
The Semitic tribe where Jews originate from were born in a Mesopotamia state.
it was copied from them.
And the Mesopotamia mythology is much other older than any mythology.

I agree wih you..
Even by more than a thousand years..

Wilgrea7:
This is a nice analogy, but it really doesn't relate to the situation at hand.

Your idea of the existence of both Nestle, ragolis and eva water implies that there are subjective solutions to the problem of thirst.

For example, if someone else found ragolis instead of Nestle, does that mean that Nestle water is fake water? Or is it less worthy of being used to quench my thirst?

Here's a much better analogy.

Let's say you're walking down the street, and you see a bird, flying in the air. The flight of the bird must have been caused by something.
Here are some very possible explanations.

1. The bird was hungry, and going to look for some food
2. The bird was being chased by something, and decided to fly away
3. The bird went in search of materials to build a nest
4. The bird went in search of a mating partner
5. The bird was simply in an uncomfortable environment, and wanted to go somewhere more conducive
6. The bird was going back to it's nest after searching for food.

I think you get the point. I could go on and on with the possibilities in regards to why the bird is flying. No one disputes that the bird is flying, or that a certain event made the bird begin flying. There was obviously a cause.

Whatever possibility we come to accept as true, needs to have sufficient proof to back up its claim. Now to the universe.

The search for the nature of the independent first cause, is something that must be objective. You can't have multiple contradictory explanations for the cause of the universe, that are all true. There has to be a true and objective explanation.

Whatever conclusion you arrive at, must be based on some credible amount of evidence, or else, you're just speculating. Nothing wrong with speculation. But if you can't prove it, then it remains what it is. A speculation.

For the sake of the argument, I agreed with you that the universe had a cause. The reasons for this cause however, need to be proven. You claimed the cause was an Intelligent, Creative being. That is a possibility of course. But in order for anyone to objectively accept it as truth, there needs to be some sort of proof for it.

Hope you get my point now. No one is avoiding the possibility you're talking about. But without any sort of proof, it simply becomes one among many possibilities.

What kind of life empirical proof do you require ?

If it is your senses, then it is going to be a long road. And I doubt if anybody will walk it with you. Know that it is a dead end..

In my opinion I think I agree with you, it is just speculation and nothing more.

Except we can witness the creation of another universe.

Maynmann:
We should also concentrate on the message of other mythologies especially our region own and not just Mesopotamia mythology in the Middle East.

Yes i agree with you. I am doing just that.
But one thing I have come to discover is the stories are the same, the only difference is who is telling themz with a little recast here and there butthe motiffs is still there..

The mesopotamian might use Gilgamesh
The Jews might use Samson
The Edo's/Bini's might use Aruahan.

It does not matter, the message in the story is what we should take home...

Or
The Norse might use Thor throwing he hammer
The Jews use David with his catapult
Or the Bini/Edos use Eweka,
It does not matter, the message is that the god inside of us is greater than the obstacle in front of us..

Maynman:
Yes it’s a mythology, have you read epic of Gilgamesh?

A little bit of it..

Yes they are all mythology. Including the Jewish one.

We should concentrate on the message in them which is consistent..
Not the story. That is why it is writen somewhere that the letter killeth.

BigDawsNet:
So if you believe we come and we must return back to dust




Can we represent the breath as soul?


What happens to the wicked people soul
What do they face afterlife

No...
soul = body from dust + breath of God.

The Jewish world for breath is "nephesh"
It also means the same as spirit.
That is why the psalmist says in Psalm 104:29-31 " send forth YOUR SPIRIT, and they are created and replenish the earth,. Take it and they die and return to dust..
Every sou whether good or bad belongs to God. He created all. Including the evil man for that evil day....the same fate awaits everybody at death. But does who still have kama to atone for will come back to pay for it...(reincarnation)..

Maynman:
Mesopotamia mythology.
Send me the books you’ve read on Semitic gods

Read the Enuma Elish