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jesusjnr2020:
All the ones with a specific time frame happened.

Those without still have a chance of happening as long as the Earth remains so it's only after the end of the world that you can let your guns out.

And the poster above me is ignorant of the fact that Adam and Eve also had daughters.

Genesis 5:4 (KJV)

And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:

Lol. Which generation was he referring to? You are still battling with yourself...you know he guffed...son of God indeed.

writetopoker2:
Something tells me that you are still a beginner/kindergarten in an anti Christ/church of Satan gathering,

Ask those before you what they encountered
Almost in all social media lately, i can see the heavy attacks on Christianity
Try harder

Why are you attacking me? Disprove my message with a superior message...I will listen ..

Janosky:
Matthew 24:36,37,39, Shadeyinka says Jesus doctrine is "Deception" & "is not true"
Bros , in the words of Jesus Christ:
"As it was in the days of Noah,so it will be at the coming of the son of Man"

They knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away (destruction)"
That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man" Matthew 24:36,39. 2Thess 1:7-9.
Bros, " as it was in the days of Noah" , which persons did God torture and torment in your hellfire ?


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Your lake of fire is under construction. Lake of fire is empty indeed .

Hades ,Sheol (Grave,6 feet deep) is the realm (world) of the dead.

Gehenna is not a synonym for hellfire. No correlation at all.
Gehenna is synonymous with destruction.
(Marry Matthew 24:36-39. 2 Thess1:7-9. Jude1:7 & 2 Peter 2:5-6. Romans 6:23. Phil 3:19.
Key word: Destruction of evildoers.
That is the only example set by God).

You teach Hellfire is a place of perpetual torture and torment.
Bros, 2 Peter 2:5-6, has God ever set an example (precedence) with perpetual torture and torment? Phil 3:19 Their destiny is what ?

Forget about this new testament bull shiit, assuming we were living at the time of prophet Malachi..what is the general belief about the after life...

haddeylium:
Yeah!
Gen 2:7
It's the breathe of life(Spirit) which is an active-life force from God that makes Man a living Soul. Without it, Man is a dead soul.

100000 likes, so what is going to hell. According to some people here..

haddeylium:
I was thinking you would atleast use the concordance to confirm those terms

Sheol is the direct equivalent of Hades in Greek...
It means grave and not a fiery place of torment

some translation use Hell/Pit/Grave /Underground .
They all have the same meaning.

The Bible everyone is going to Hell/grave/pit

I agree with you, that is where the body is going, ultimately to turn to dust. But Gods breath or spirit that once dwell in it and brought it to life will return back to God...

[quote author=haddeylium post=96386250]I was thinking you would atleast use the concordance to confirm those terms

Sheol is the direct equivalent of Hades in Greek...
It means grave and not a fiery place of torment

some translation use Hell/Pit/Grave /Underground .
They all have the same meaning.
[b]
The Bible everyone is going to Hell/grave/pit[\b][quote]I agree with you, that is where the body is going, ultimately to turn to dust. But Gods breath or spirit that once dwell in it and brought it to life will return back to God....

CrazyMan:
Hell was created for Satan and other fallen angels who rebelled against God not man.

God's ultimate plan isn't to put man in hell but man is a free moral agent. Meaning man can make his own independent choice in life. We all have a choice to either follow God or join satan and his fallen angels in hell for all eternity.

So if you choose to join satan how does it make God a bad person?

When was hell created? Because the bible says "in the beginning God created heaven and earth.....at which point did hell come into existence. Was it during the creative period of the 6 days or after God has finished creation and rested..
Or was it man who created hell to make you more easy to control ?

shadeyinka:
State you mind as I don't answer senseless questions!

You are just defending what somebody else wrote blindly, without even understanding it. You don't know what God and Man are...

So sad .

shadeyinka:
That question is mundane!
As your understanding is different from the convectional, spill the beans. We can do quality discussion on this after

Let me oblige you..God is the totality of the consiouseness or active force (in Jehovah's witness language ) of the universe..it is the source of all creations..

Man is a created being, made from the dust of the earth and the spirit(or breath) of the creator.

Man was fashioned from the dust of the earth and the spirit or breath of God brought him to life, when God takes the breath or spirit. The body becomes lifeless and is either buried or cremated ...

People go a long way to organize elaborate burial ceremony because the body once housed the spirit of the creator...

Just as the psalmist rightly said "send forth YOUR SPIRIT and they are created and replenish the earth , take it and they die and return back to dust..psalm 104:29-31

shadeyinka:
That question is mundane!
As your understanding is different from the convectional, spill the beans. We can do quality discussion on this after

Hhaahahhaha, you are not getting out of this...it means you don't even know what God is and what man is....what is God and what is man? And what is the conventional idea about both..

shadeyinka:
You tell me your own definition as I perceive that yours is not the convectional understanding.

It is rude to answer a question with a question...so please what or who is God or man . and what is the conventional understanding ?

At least let us understand ourselves and we can move on from there..

Bacteriologist:
I bet I could say the same for the Qur'an, the Torah, the Bagavad Gita and the holy books of pretty much every other religion out there...

Yes, that is what they all are...only difference is your parents where Christians..

shadeyinka:
You are still repeating a the nonsensical question!
And your second question!

I do not belive that man is God having a human expression for God is perfection: you might avail me where and how you got such a doctrine. We are obviously not vibrat yting at the same frequency.

From all indication,Yours is lower. I am asking again , who is God and who is man or what..

J-s' False Prophecy Never Happened

Rev 3:11 "Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown."
Rev 22:7 "Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book."
Rev 22:12 "And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be."
Rev 22:20 "He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, kurios Iesous."
~ Written 2000 years ago, didn't happen.

Mat 16:27 "For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
Mat 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom."
~ Didn't happen, false prophecy.

Mat 24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Mat 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
Mat 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, THIS generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."
~ Didn't happen, false prophecy

Mark 9:1 "And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of Theos come with power."
~ Didn't happen, false prophecy

Mark 13:24 "But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
Mar 13:25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
Mar 13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
Mar 13:27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
Mar 13:28 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:
Mar 13:29 So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors.
Mar 13:30 Verily I say unto you, that THIS generation shall not pass, till all these things be done."
~ Didn't happen, false prophecy.

Luke 9:27 "But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of Theos."
~ Didn't happen, false prophecy

Luke 21:32 "Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled."
~ Didn't happen, false prophecy

Rom 16:20 "And the Theos of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen".
~ Didn't happen, false prophecy

Heb 10:37 "For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry."
~ Didn't happen, false prophecy

Deu 18:22 "When a prophet speaketh in the name of YHWH, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which YHWH hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him."

The New Testament has "J-s" promise his disciples that he would return during their lifetimes - he didn't. Matthew 16:28; 24:34, Mark 9:1, Mark 13:30, Romans 16:20, Hebrews 10:37, Revelation 22:10,12,20.
J-s' false prophecy
Mat 24:2 "And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down."
Western Wall of the Temple still stands.

shadeyinka:
Can you not perceive that this question is unintelligent?

You just literally said that God cannot punish himself as man is carrying God as partly God.

What is your own opinion ..who is God and who is man ? Do you believe that man is God having a human experience ?

shadeyinka:
Your cherry-picking sometimes is mind boggling. You'll many times use the Old Testament on the New without considering the context and you forget that a single word may have several different meaning depending on its context. but this is not even the issue for now.
Inn the OT isn't the soul and spirit sometimes used interchangeably?

1. From your argument, if God should punish satan and the other fallen angels, He is punishing Himself? (aren't angels also spirits?)
2. If man is made from the spirit of God, what then is the difference between the the spirit of God and us (For God is a Spirit)
3. Spirit and breath means the same thing?
Breath=the air taken into or expelled from the lungs or an inhalation or exhalation of air from the lungs
Spirit=a being without a physical body or the non-physical part of a person that makes him spiritual

I pity your misconception!

What is your own understanding ? Who is man and who is God?

Dtruthspeaker:
a madman too has a right to be mad and I respect it,. Biko, rapu mu'aka.

When its time for you to wake up...you will..mean time ,enjoy your delusion..

VillagePeople11:
You people are just as confused as your answers....your analogy too....this should make sense to us....laws of different countries makes sense to them because there are directly involved in the reward or consequences....when laws are unfavorable, they protest...Hell fire should make sense to all humans because it will be the fate of many as it is said if they sin.....

Now lets take it down a bit....if I enta your house and steal meat from your pot and you come in and stab me to death...What do you think the Government will do to you and why?

Said by who ? Your quote should be preceded by "Thus says the Lord......"

Dtruthspeaker:
Says an exCatholic, who says he is a god! Well madmen eating at dustbins have been seen to make fun of people going to their places of work.

I know I am..

To be born again simply means to start afresh. The first step is to realize that you have broken Gods commandments and have erred. The second step is to confess it before God. And lastly to forsake all sin and evil deeds. All Gods desires is a sincere repentance . He told us in Isaiah " come let us reason together, even though your heart is as black as coal, I can make them as white as snow." And in 2nd chronicles he says " If my children who are called by my name will humble themselves confess their sins and forsake their evil ways ,I will hear from heaven and forgive their sins and heal their land "..all he has asked for and desired is a sincere repentance. The idea of somebody or a God dying for the sin of another is and was never Gods plan. It did not originate from God...
It is us that sin, it is our soul that has sinned and needs to make atonement. Somebody else can not do that for us. ..we have to atone ourselves..

If somebody else can, we won't learn anything..and we won't know the value..That is why Ezekiel still echoed it , "A man should not be put to death for the sin of his son and vice versa"...

shadeyinka:
The problem of JWs is that they want to paint God as this soft old man who is so gentle that he couldn't hurt a fly. As far as they are concerned, the punishment of Rapists, Murderers, and gross wickedness is a reward with a dreamless sleep-like non-existence.
If that was a punishment it's like making prisons like a five star hotel for prisoners. Even honest citizens will not mind living in such a place.

If Shadrach Meshach and Abednigo could be in fire and not be consumed, their argument of annihilation falls to pieces.

As for atheists, they want a God who can be fitted inside their pocket. There butterfly thinks itself a bird

Man is made up of spirit of God + dust of the earth, the dust was used to form an abode or a vessel or temple for Gods spirit or breath. Both spirit and breath mean same thing . Nerphesh in hebrew. .psalm 104:29-31 says " send forth YOUR SPIRIT and they are created and replenish the earth, take it and they die and return to dust" Man is spirit (of God ) dwelling within a body fashions from the dust of the earth, what we refer to death is return to default. The spirit goes back to God and the body back to the earth.. So why would God send his spirit to hell, who will suffer ? What is the wisdom in that ?.
We are all Gods spirit experiencing life as ourselves. Different version of the same thing...

Its not difficult to understand..you are just blocking your brain in other not to accept this simple truth..

BE OPEN MINDED TO LEARN NEW THINGS. LEARN, UNLEARN AND RELEARN.

Dtruthspeaker:
Interpretation: "I know no wetin to talk na but I no fit leave am like dat na"

Continue your delusion..

Sabr1na:
Aww just stop

A christian who doesn't attend church for once in his life can very well still make heaven as opposed to your judgemental self-righteous ass.

All you need to make heaven is a strong relationship with Christ, not church attendance. It says so in your bible. Your bible recommends the gathering of christians, but only to foster the faith of believers. It's not a do or die affair.

Please!

I stopped when I was preparing for my junior WAEC ,that should be in 1992. But occasionally go when I am invited for weddings..

As per the bold, how do you guys have a relationship with a ghost , telepathly or ??

truespeak:
I have answered you by Laying Out the Laws!

But to pass Judgement on my fellow man, that is impossible for me to do. For I am not appointed Judge of the Soul of my fellow man.

And NO MAN has That Jurisdiction to Enter Judgement upon the soul of his fellow man.

So Just Be Patient and wait for the Court, for Surely You Would Not Miss the True Judgement.

To establish a court of law is one of the seven laws of Noah that God gave to Noah...the seven noahide laws..the rest 607 mitzvah is for the Jews.

Phraences:
If you read the old testament, yes, it makes sense. The God of the old testament can do something like that. Just because Jesus came, people have forgotten the God of the old Testament. A God that struck someone down because he tried to hold the Ark of the convenant. A God that commanded the Israelites to kill everybody including women and children of some tribes they passed through on their way to the promised land. To that God, we are cockroaches so yes, hellfire makes sense.

Man is spirit of God (or breath of God) dust of the earth..at death, the simply return to their initial state....so which one is going to hell?

Read psalm 104:29-31 for clarification ..

Dtruthspeaker:
As I have said these 3 Times, The Lord has Never Judged A matter, Without first hearing it which is the Established Law of Fair Hearing in All the earth!

My dear, God is not a man or human being, how many times will I tell you this ? Stop using human ways or attributes to define God..God is the creator and not part of creation...

Get sense, it is not rocket science..

Dtruthspeaker:
As I have said before it is Not Possible That A man shall be Judged, Even before he has Committed an Offence.

And this is backed up by the statement

"Doth our law judge any man, before it hear him , and know what he doeth?"

He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him

God has seen and heard all..we are talking about God , not man...

His judgment is death..from dust you were made, and to dust you shall return..for all men and women...

Any other thing is your delusion..and those who wish to control you..

Dtruthspeaker:
The Deceits of Catholic church is so well entrenched in your soul that you are accustomed to blindness, if not you would have seen that Judgment Only Comes After a Trial, Which Only Comes After A Charge or Accusation of the Commission of an Offence is Made.

Therefore, that "From dust .." Judgement belongs to Someone who has been Found Guilty of an Offence, at his Trial.

It is The Law of God that "No Man Can Be Convicted for an Offence, which he has not yet Committed". Not to talk of him being Accused of that which he has not yet done!

This your long epistle no cut am at all, Adam means man and eve means woman, it therefore means that humans has been judged already..from dust they were made, and dust they shall return..any other thing is your delusions..


Keep it up.

The people who created hell also created purgatory....so you can go to purgatory if you die in veniel sin..

But to the creator death is just sleep...

Man has already been judged.

"From dust you where made, to dust you shall return"..

Any other thing is for social engineering (population control )

DeOTR:
For the most part, the word spirit pertaining to human lives means breath, according to the Bible. [b]Isn't that what God breathed in Adam nostrils at creation? Breath of life. That's why we must keep breathing to remain alive. Once we breathe our last, we die, and the body becomes dust. [/b]There's nothing complicated about it. There's no spirit form (whatever that means), returning to heaven when Man dies.
As for Jesus not actually dying. That's a sick joke. No man can survive crucifixyion. More so, not when a spear is thrusted deep into your lungs, and water gushes out of your chest.
There have been prophecies about the death and resurrection of the Messiah hundreds of years before His. Jesus fulfilled every prophecy to the letter. The word of God never lies. It's left for you unbelievers to take it or leave it, it won't change the facts.

So what is jesus saving? The body that returns to dust or the breath of God that returns to him ?

DeOTR:
For the most part, the word spirit pertaining to human lives means breath, according to the Bible. Isn't that what God breathed in Adam nostrils at creation? Breath of life. That's why we must keep breathing to remain alive. Once we breathe our last, we die, and the body becomes dust. There's nothing complicated about it. There's no spirit form (whatever that means), returning to heaven when Man dies.
As for Jesus not actually dying. That's a sick joke. No man can survive crucifixion. More so, not when a spear is thrusted deep into your lungs, and water gushes out of your chest.
There have been prophecies about the death and resurrection of the Messiah hundreds of years before His. Jesus fulfilled every prophecy to the letter. The word of God never lies. It's left for you unbelievers to take it or leave it, it won't change the facts.

Can you quote the relevant prophesies ?..I would love to see them..Don't go pulling out Isaiah 53, because it is talking about a faithful servant ...and 8 times prior to chapter 53, Isaiah already said the servant was Israel..look up Isaiah 41:5-9

When humans die, it means their spirit bring separated from their body..the spirit returns to God who gave it and the body back to the earth where it was taken. If jesus really existed (for the sake of this discussion ) how is his case different . The only thing might be that the scorging and crucification put him in coma, which might be what John was hinting at when he said Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus brought a mixture of myrhh and aloes. Which are herbs for healing ,not for embalming..

Too many inconsistencies