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ShobayoEmma:
the bible did not say, yet you could also present what the bible did not certainly says as well. Funny you.

Bye.

I told you I was not certain.
The book of job said the angels were present when God was creating the earth.
You sound aggressive, I wonder why?

stunnert:
What made you so sure that in the old testament righteous folks went to hell after death before the coming of Christ

Don't get me wrong the sometimes the translation hell simply means "The grave"
It was the general abode of all who dies.
The Old Testament believers went to a place of comfort and rest called “paradise” when they died. The Old Testament taught life after death and that everyone who departed from this life went to a place of conscious existence. The general term for this place was Sheol, which could be translated “the grave” or “the realm of the dead.” The wicked were there (Psalm 9:17; 31:17; 49:14; Isaiah 5:14), and so were the righteous (Genesis 37:35; Job 14:13; Psalm 6:5; 16:10; 88:3; Isaiah 38:10).

Westerhoffe:
Yes.
Satan did not create Hell, so he could not have claimed it as his kingdom because he was also banished from Heaven and shaken down to Hell.

Isaiah 14 (KJV)
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⁹ Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
¹⁰ All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?
¹¹ Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
¹² How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
¹³ For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
¹⁴ I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
¹⁵ Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

Satan goes in and out of Hell; he monitors those whose names are erased from the Book of Death in Hell to know what kind of attack to give such new converts or a repentant backslider.
But as the LORD says, "If you also do not go back, they'll never have power over you."

Yes.
Born again Christians do not go to Hell, lukewarm Christians are the ones at risk.

Satan might have access to hell but hell is a terrible place, even the devil won't like to remain there.

ShobayoEmma:
If Satan only took control of the earth after Adam's fall, does it mean Satan had not fall in heaven when God created Adam? Note that Satan was the first entity God first created.



. Tinubu, a bad man with good intentions.

No the the bible did not say Satan was the first entity God created, rather it seems all angels were made simultaneously and discreetly same instant.
It seems the angels were created along with the heavens Satan's fall might have occurred in the beginning shortly after his creation.

Hell appears so many times in the bible both in the new and old.
The Hebrew word for hell is sheol which also means the grave or pit.
Job 17:16 They shall go down to the bars of the pit, when our rest together is in the dust.

However this hell mean more than just the physical burial ground of the dead, it is deeper than that, it also mean the general abode of all souls that are dead.

Before the coming of christ, everyone who died both righteous and unrighteous were confined in hell but however, the righteous were separated from the wicked, while the righteous where comforted and had rest the wicked where in torment and had no rest.

After christ death and descent to hell he released the souls of the righteous and took them to heaven, evidence of this is the resurrection of some of the dead saints after christ died.

Today, those who dies in christ though their bodie is buried but the soul/spirits is instantly recieved by christ in heaven as was the case of Stephen.
But however hell remains with the souls of sinners in it being tormented without rest.

Some commonly held beliefs about hell that are not true.

1. Hell is Satan's kingdom,
This is a common error even in the body of christ. There is no where in the bible that says the devils rules over hell or that his kingdom is in hell, in fact the kingdom of Satan is actually on this planet earth. In Revelation 2:13 Jesus Vividly exposed were Satan lives as the place were his servants antipas was killed.
Satan's kingdom is on earth and he tries to control the kingdom of men and during the tribulation he would raise his own ruler who would finally take over the world.

2. Satan torments people in hell.
Again no such things is taught in scripture, the Bible teaches that only God has power to cast into hell and that it is only God one is to fear. Satan's power only ends in physical death. There reason why Satan has power on earth is because of Adam's fall, Adam's fall meant he lost the earthly authority God gave to him to the devil.

3. Hell is for all eternity
Hell is a temporary place till when the judgment day comes, contrary to commonly held belief that hell is final, hell is actually just the beginning, the final crushing judgment is given at the great white throne where all the dead would be raised back to life and given their final sentence. Lake of fire is the final place for all unrighteous.

4. Born again Christians go to hell.
This is false, Jesus said that all who believes in him have already passed from death to life. Amen.
Romans 8
Said there is no condemnation to those in christ Jesus who walked not after the flesh but after the spirit.

The bad news is all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God and hence are going naturally to hell.
The good news is christ has died and paid the price but however you can only be saved by trusting in him.

You mean false prophet Mohammed the pedophile.
You need a psychiatric.

You can be both servant and son of God.
In fact it is a thing of joy to serve God. Every son of God is also a servant.

Dtruthspeaker:
Jews? Those anti God.people? Their regard is discardable.

Jesus is a jew, all apostles are jews all old testament prophets are Jews.
You don't know what you are talking about.

Lovelyn451:
Just imagine, a state with highest number of university, industries, shares boundary with the most developed Nigerian state yet its people languish in poverty, illiteracy...all form of evil thrive there....tufiakwa

it is not a problem of illeracy or lack of education it is a problem of the human heart, no education industry or development can change the human condition.
As advanced as the west yet they are confused on what a woman or a man is?
The solution is Jesus Christ.

Dtruthspeaker:
Perfect!

Clearly, what did not fit and key in was excluded. Songs of Solo too no key in also.

it's clear you don't know that the jews regard the songs of solo as inspired.
Songs of solo is a very beautiful book about pure love and desire for a spouse, it tells us God establishes relationship with his people not mere religion.

FxMasterz:
You can't say that books were excluded from the Bible because there was no Bible until the Nicean council sat in 325 AD.

Instead, you should say why are some books not included as part of the Bible?

The formation of the Bible books took a very stringent process because at the time, almost everybody had something to write. So many lies and distorted accounts of events were flying around. Many of those lies didn't make it to the Bible because the Nicean fathers only included books whose authenticity and source they could confirm. Books without known sources were not included. Most New Testament books included were books written by the Apostles or their direct disciples. No matter how powerful a book may seem, if it does not fulfil certain criteria, it never made its way into the Bible. And when you look at the Bible, there's a rhyme in its theme. The books work in unison to announce God's plan of salvation and how He laboured hard through His Son to execute the plan for the human race whom He dearly loves.

The Muslims lie to themselves that the Bible has been edited several times, don't embrace their lies. Whenever they say that, they refer to the many English versions of the Bible that exists. But they do not seem to remember that the Bible wasn't written in English originally, and that the various English versions remain true to the original Greek and Hebrew languages in which the Bible was written. For example, the Hebrew Bible has an Old testament version that is both used by Christians and Jews. These sects are not religiously united. If Christians have edited their Bible, then, it would no longer correlate with the ones the Jews are carrying. Since Christians and Jews are using the same Old testament scriptures till date, the Islamic lies fall flat.

Moreover, the current Bible in use was what Mohammed preached to Muslims that they must respect. I mean the Bible that was collated in 325 Ad which did not include many other books for which reason you claim it has been edited according to your post.
Nothing has changed. Mohammed came into the picture about 200+ years after the Bible was canonized, and he enjoined Muslims to respect the same scripture which Muslims believe was edited even before Mohammed was born.

Above all, note that Jesus loves you. He came to earth purposely because of you to take your place in judgement. If you accept the offer of Jesus today, your sins would be forgiven. The righteousness of Jesus would be attributed to you and you would become a child of God. You would no longer be held accountable for your sins because Jesus paid on your behalf.

No religion saves, including Christianity. Only Jesus saves. Come to Him and you'll have eternal life.

Please stay away from the satanist kobojunkie whom you mentioned in your post. He's a satanic agent. A wolf in sheep clothing who seeks to hinder and obstruct the way of Christ.

May the peace of God be with you and guide your path into the everlasting Kingdom of God and of our Lord Jesus Christ.

you are very correct. Keep it up.

Kobojunkie:
If you had read my statements, you have seen where I made clear that Scripture is different from a mere collection of books written by men pretending to speak for on behalf of God. 99.9% you indicated there do not qualify as Scripture, this you would have actually read and come to understand the writings of the Prophets and the message of God contained in them. At least you can understand that every claim that contradicts or contravenes the very message and teachings of God through His Prophets of Old cannot constitute Scripture.

What Jesus Christ brought, the Gospel is a Law and agreement--- a Constitution --- for the Nation that is the Kingdom of God, God's Special Nation of Priests which He promised to make of Israel. So any writing that does not including of this or contravenes it in any way cannot be Scripture.

talking nonsense as usual. Jezebel.

kkins25:
You're half right and half wrong.

First thing's first, no single book in the current bible was inspired by God. Because, then, how would the people prove it such?

To the matter, most of the books you mentioned aren't genuine. Not in the sense that the canonical scriptures, in themselves, are accurate, but that the books you've mentioned were written by fans. Yep. The same way people make alternative outcomes to anime scenes, movies, etc. Religious books also have fan fiction.



We know for sure that most of the gospels aren't written by those they are named after. We don't even have the oldest and authentic documents. In fact, all accounts of the gospels are fan made. Some were just closer to the original than others. For instance, you find major discrepancies here and there on the accounts of Jesus' life. How can God-inspired book have contradictions?

Yep. The same guys going about killing innocent people are the ones to tell us what's holy or not.


Ahhh... any book that church fathers found wasn't helping their ministry was thrown out. God that inspired it, him no get sense abi? So, church father don turn God?

The fifty shades of grey, the harry potter books, and so on, were all inspired by God. Bite me!


This I can somewhat side with. There are thousands of manuscripts that were written all bearing "gospel of mathew" "Gospel of John," and so on. But each of them was different from the other. How? So, you see, Christianity had a large fan base, and many fans didn't like the plot. If life gives you lemons, make lemonade, and that's exactly what they did. They made their own gospels. Infact, I'd argue that gospel of John is one of those.

Anybook that didn't fit into the narrative of christianity that the church daddys had was thrown in the dustbin.

Go and read about the history of the bible and stop spewing ignorance.

oluwaseyi0:
Just like our leaders and military

Failed, rather than take responsibility, blame or resign they act invisible or unquestionable

But when things get right they take praise, thanksgiving, adulation, offering and whatever but when they go haywire as it has been recently then act cowardly unquestionable

What are you talking about? This is the result when people open the doors to demons.
This is the result of rejecting God to worship and sacrifice to demons in the name of tradition.
The existence of evil is actually an evidence of God's existence.
If God does not existence according to atheists then morality does not exists or simply becomes a matter of personal opinion.
The scriptures already told you that righteousness exalts a nation but sin is a reproach to any people.

Proverbs 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.

paxonel:
You are absolutely correct!
And the reason why anyone will always make reference of the bible is that, the bible contains accurate records of God.
And incase atheists think that they cannot reason by intuition, then they have better option which is the bible.
But many of them are not interested to read, yet they are interested to ask about God's existence.
Their situation are like people having science books with them but they refuse to read. Yet they keep asking the question "where are atom, molecules, compounds, ions ? "

And i wonder, if they want to remain indiferent why asking questions?

They will claim citing scripture is circular reasoning.
Actually their problem is not lack of evidence for God but they actually hate God because they want to live however they please.

paxonel:
Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

You might ask yourself, where is God, Where is God, i can't see him?
You cannot see God because deep in your heart you don't really want to see him.

In order words, if you do not have Faith in God then there are no proof for you.
God only reveals himself to only those who seek him.

So, stop asking the wrong and futile question "where is God " that you can't get the answer until you are ready.
Just remain in your atheism quietly and allow those who have seen God enjoy their life

Actually you don't even need the bible to prove there is God.
It is very simple.
How did the universe come into being? There are only two answers for this question
1. The universe is eternal
2. The universe was created.

Which do you think has being proven by science? No 2.
Yes it has being proven that the universe has a beginning, therefore the creator of the universe is outside of the universe.
In case you don't know the universe it includes empty space itself and time itself.
It means the creator is beyond space and time.
It takes a being that is extremely powerful beyond space and time to create the universe.
When people say who created God? That question does not make sense because the very definition of God means is uncreated.
When they say can we not also say the universe is uncreated? The answer again is that evidence already proves the universe has a beginning.

JASONjnr:
I've listen to many of their preachings and I can say that you can't get anything meaningful from it, other than taxing and asking you to be hopeful on God.


Someone asked one of these pastors why we have different DNA? Cause the Bible said the first human was Adam and Eve.

Stories in the Bible will keep you wondering if some people take others for a fool. How can a group of people gathered to build a tower towards heaven and God decided to strike on them by making them confused and speak in different languages. Same sky we fly around today.... Did God relocate from the sky to the sun?

Which technology was used to build pyramid of Egypt?
Actually DNA proves that all humans share same ancestor.
The current cosmological evidence actually proves that the universe has a beginning and also have an end. This means that the universe was created by a being outside of space and time, since space time has a beginning.
Right now there is no known method to make a simple cell.
If God does not exist there is no justification for morality, everybody can live anyhow.
This secular/humanist world view only promotes immorality.

God is real, and Jesus is real.
All historians including atheists can not deny that Jesus is a real historical figure, the evidence is very heavy.

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Dear Nairaland christians who are rooted and grounded in the knowledge of the word of God, is this what the Bible teaches?

obviously not what the Bible teaches. The man is a scam. One of the trait of a false apostle, false prophet is their desire for filthy lucre.

EnemyofGod2:
yes, I have children, I can never be watching my kids be suffering and crying and do nothing to stop the suffering and crying, it's wickedness and, it's heartbreaking, I remember when my daughter nearly died in the middle of the night, I have to carry her to hospital and they demanded for deposit because I forgot to bring money with money with me, I suffered that night, going from ATM to ATM no money, I suffered that night before seeing ATM machine that paid me money before I rushed back to hospital and deposited it, so your God will just sit one place and watch you his helpless children suffer and die and he do nothing, you are worshipping demon, if God and Satan exist, Satan is good and your God is Evil

Satan was not created as Satan but as an angel of God but he rejected God just as alot of humans and he became Satan or the devil.
When angels sin they automatically become devils or demons while when Adam sinned he became the fallen man. You and everyone else are a fallen man, but God extend his love to you in christ to bring you back to himself.
Satan and his demons just like humans are were able to sin by rejecting God because they have free will.
God gave free will because love must be voluntary or else it can not be love. God wants his creation man and angels to worship and serve him out of love.

By the way suffering can be for some reason, it can be lesson. We all suffer because of sin to teach us the horribleness of sin, we suffer as a result of our actions and the wrong actions of others.
God can use suffering to build our character experience and knowledge.
You cannot say because your child does not like to wash their clothes and clean up their rooms therefore you cuddle them and don't allow them to touch anything, how will their character be built?
God is a God of process, listen even Jesus has to go through the process of suffering on the cross to get the glory as the christ.

You will never see the big picture if you are only looking at this present life.
The glory of the life to come far exceed and surpass the suffering of this preset life in every dimension.
You should make sure you are there by repenting and believing in Jesus as your Lord and saviour for he is the door to this wonderful life to come.

To obey God is the best. You will have peace of mind

There is evidence for the existence of God.
What are these evidence?
1. Evidence of intelligent design
2. Existence of consciousness
3. The fine turning of the universe.
4. The immensity of creation.
5. Existence of eternality.
Etc

chieveboy:
If you only you know this "Kingdom of Satan"

That is the kingdom you are. You are under deception.

He died for my sin yet I "carry my cross and work out my own salvation".

If you understand the irony and unambiguity of the above statement, you will STOP expecting anyone saving you because NO ONE will and can save you from your sin.

Carrying ones cross in Christianity is not paying for your sin neither is working out salvation means paying for your sin.
You can't work out salvation if you are not saved in the first place.

This is why Christians go through everything the people they label "sinners go through, because everyone is actually carrying his cross and working out his own salvation.

The 'Parable of the Sower' is actually on your lot.

What ever you sow, you shall reap. Period! No blood can reap it for you sir.

The wages of sin is death (eternal separation from God), the price of sin is too high no ordinary man can pay for it only the Lord Jesus can because he is sinless.
If you want to pay for your sin that means you have chosen to spend eternity in the lake of fire.
Don't take that route God loves you that is why he sent Jesus to save you.

You are being decieved by the kingdom of Satan.
Repent and turn to Jesus Christ he died for you so you will not perish.

PoliteActivist:
*Politeness*
THINK!!
If Davido were going around saying axe is evil and he wants nothing to do with them, and he never lets them anywhere near him, and at same time displaying the cross-arm sign everywhere, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU??!!

axe is a symbol, Davido can condemn cult group but have their symbols, In fact it is common for people to condemn something and yet they are part of it.
You are funny.

GodisStriking:
The Knights Templar was about killing pagans and stomping out evil that's why they were set up and framed. The order was abolished in 1314 and it never returned. Those stone masons were behind the setting up of the Knights Templar. King Baldwin IV of Jerusalem was of the tribe of Benjamin an Israelite, he wanted to marry an Arab noble lady to end the fighting. Whenever you are not married into a people they will always see you as a threat on their land, thus marrying them brings peace. But the negotiations broke down because the whites fear losing out because the Benjamin and Arabs were both Hebrews and they wouldn't be included. Thus when Sultan Salihudin took his army across the Holy Land the other knights stayed within their fortresses leaving only 120 Knights Templar to fight the 7,000 Muslims. After the Holy land was loss the Templars returned to an Europe in love with Sodomy, Pedophilia and Prostitution. Occult rituals were being done by the nobility and the clergy for money. The Templars with their vast wealth and purity were viewed as a threat. The stone masons spread rumors about the Templars through the rival Hospitalier Knights who had joined with stone masons. King Philip IV the king of France had united the whole kingdom under stone mason guilds, every occupation was organized into the cult. The Templars were attacked with a dawn raid everyone of them in France were in dungeons by the end of the day of Oct, 13th 1307. The only evidence against the Templars was a lone witness, a prostitute named Lovechat. That's why I asked, what's the secret connection between pedophiles and whores?

That is what you are told? Knight Templar just like the Freemasons were formed for control and to dominate. Occult societies are formed for control and power.

GodisStriking:
There is no link between the Knights Templar and Freemasonry Illuminati. Those Freemasons are using the Knights Templar just as same as the Jesuits are using the Vatican to hide behind their legacy.

The occult is as old as human society, as long as the devil is the god of this world they will continue to exist and be the means of obtaining power by carnal men.
Their connection or not does not matter so far they are having the same ultimate aim which is to steal, to kill and to destroy.

PoliteActivist:
*Politeness*
Bros anybody who takes this your thread serious has to be really naive and gullible.
Freemasons used to be a secret organization but now all their "secrets", including initiation rites, are out in the open and published in books and internet. You can become a Freemason if you wish - it is not hard.
Truly secret organizations do exist but they usually have no names and no one knows their symbols, but also they are usually not all that powerful.
So also the Jesuits of the Roman Catholic Church. The Jesuits that helped fight the crusades disappeared long ago. The Jesuits of today are neither military nor secret - the current pope is a Jesuit, and they don't want Freemasons as members of their church!
BTW how many "satanists or someone who worships other gods" has Nigeria elected lately??

see ignorance, you are just being fooled, the Vatican is just trying to maintain a false image the Vatican already has an equivalent if not more than freemasonry which is the knight Templar.
There are many signs and symbols you see everyday which you don't know it's meaning other than what you are told.
In the occult outsiders are deliberately mislead and even lower members do not know the truth until a certain level where there is no turning back.

PoliteActivist:
*Politeness*
You are not making sense. Example, everybody knows whose sign the crossed arms is. You display it everywhere and at same time say you're hiding you're an axe man. Does that make sense to you sir?

You are the one not making sense.
If you were not told will you know what it means?
Do you know the meaning of hidden in plain sight?
There are occult signs everywhere, but if you were not told what it means you won't know what it is, only adepts knows the true meaning.
You might think you know the meaning but for them it means another thing.

PoliteActivist:
But they display all the colors and signs you say they display. Why? To whom? To what end? Why no presence there??

to initiates.
The signs were for the inner circles.

Zxcvbnmghtr:
God? That's an English word. Lol

Allah does not mean God it is a name of an idol.

AntiChristian:
Even if all the mosques in Iran is closed, there are still many Muslim countries and no real Christian country!

Europe is reaping the consequences of their bigotry and terrorism. When you invade Muslim/destabilise lands they must move into your own land!

Abeg keep mute on Jewish prince!
Muhammad salallahu alayhi wasalam is dead let Christian prince die first up see!

Christian prince would not die but live to destabilize Islam and Converts Muslims and many other Christian princes would also rise. Meanwhile
Mohamad the mad man pedophile got poisoned and died like a rat ala couldn't save him what a powerless god allah is!
Worst of all allah is best of all decievers.

Allah has no power at all, just a dumb idol.

AntiChristian:

How many churches have been closed in Europe all together?

No be only Christian prince, na Jew Princess!

75% of mosque has being closed down in Iran meanwhile Europe is learning her lesson of accommodating mohammedians.
Christian prince is wrecking havoc on Islam.
Even the pedophile Mohammad wouldn't try call him.