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MaxInDHouse:
Thank you, just as all sons of God {Genesis 6:2; Job 38:7} are Gods! Psalms 82:6

There is a difference between adopted son and begotten Son.
Jesus christ is the only begotten Son of God.

AntiChristian:
Adam is the criminal here right?

Where's the law he was judged with?
In Genesis 38, Judah committed harlotry impregnating his daughter in law.

Where did the judge punish the criminals?

The offspring were the ancestors of Jesus!

Not just Adam anybody that commits sin is a criminal before God even if human system does not recognize it.

Judah sinned just like everyone else and everyone is already under the penalty of death .
When God pronounced death on Adam he pronounced death on all sinners including Judah.

Jesus didn't have a human father so Jesus is exempted. That is why Jesus is the perfect saviour.

Dtruthspeaker:
Wrong a judge can!

However, can/does a criminal qualify for it?

There are many other "just-ises" to be considered and settled before they can qualify eg the type of crime committed, the severity of it, the number of times committed, the party or parties harmed by it etc

Human justice maybe imperfect but God's own is perfect. A perfect God cannot tolerate imperfection but humans can that is why human justices has those conditions and clauses.

AntiChristian:
Why can't God just forgive Adam instead of the longer process of wasting blood of animals and then that of his son?

A judge can not just let a criminal go just because he begged, a righteous Judge would sentence the criminal according to his crime as stated by the law and not bend to emotions. God is the ultimate judge and he judges righteously therefore the price of sin must be paid in full.

Reporting to the police will do little or nothing, your friend's dad need to come to Jesus and recieve him as his saviour and then he need to pray note it needs to be consistent with fasting also. The devil and his workers are very resilient and do not give up. He should not be afraid but fully trust in God and Jesus Christ.

Natbrowny:
One question.

How wud u preach God to this one.?

yes God can very much be preached to her. Only the love of her creator can heal her.

CaveAdullam:
This is an unbearable loss.

1. Dreams shattered. Hope quenched in split second. Bonds broken. Joy lost in the dark. Sorrow abounds. Sorrow upon sorrow upon sorrow. Henceforth, every joy felt will be tainted with sadness, fear, and anxiety. A great loss indeed!

2. Such is life. The unexpected happens. Joy today and sadness the next day. We think things will always go as planned, but the vicissitudes of life shock us beyond our boundaries and set us flying around looking for help where there is no help.

3. We spend our days searching for luxury and pleasure. Our minds don't like thinking about the negative turn of events, we skip them and hold a strong faith that only good things will happen to us and all will be favorable. Of course, some bad situations can turn favorable but not all and so many leave scars that will never heal.

4. What is life? If we sing for joy today and mourn tomorrow? What's the essence of life then? Why this sorrow? Why this pain? Why can't we be with our loved ones for a long time till old age?

5. Anyways, these whys and whats are the core intricacies of life. Probably, life wouldn't live without them. Innocent life. Endangered man.

6. Maybe with love, we can subdue. And with love, we can bear our losses, failures, and disappointments.

Sigh.

The answers are all in the bible.

Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

This world is a dying world due to sin.

But however, God had mercy on human race by sending his Son to redeem men through faith in him and in the fullness of time he will unveil a new creation through his Son Jesus Christ but for now this world experiences the woes of sin and death.

AntiChristian:
God had a covenant with only Israel!
Jesus was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel!
How is that fair?
Where's God in Israel now?

you are contradicting yourself, why would Jesus even attend to the woman at all if the the gentiles was not included?

How? Where did he author it? Paul authored and finished it not Jesus!

Paul was not the author of Christianity but Jesus.



Gentiles are worth only the crumbs that comes from the Jewish Israelites table! Jesus was not a servant!

Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

All these are your ideas unrelated to the Bible! Jesus died later after he said his sins are forgiven!

It does not matter if Jesus died later or before, the fact is he died for the sins of all man kind.

Where's the blood shed for the man?

Blood must be shed before your God forgive sin.

The blood shed was Jesus blood.

HellVictorinho6:
Intelligence happens by chance

trp

jaephoenix:
That's why I said theists lack biology knowledge. An example of macro evolution is evolution of hippos from whale-like creatures in the sea called anthracotheres
https://phys.org/news/2015-02-daddy-hippo-ancestry-unveiled.html

So when has claims turn to evidence?

"Because the researchers only found dental fossils, they can only speculate about other details of Epirigenys lokonesis's appearance. "We can say that this species was an herbivorous animal of 70-100 kg with a size close to that of a large sheep," said Lihoreau. He thinks Epirigenys likely looked like a small and slender hippo, and was likely at least semi-aquatic, if not fully aquatic."

They found a dental fossil and conjured up/speculate tales that fit their narrative and gullible gobble it down without questioning, so much for elightment.

jaephoenix:
How does similarities with chimps prove god?

intelligence can only come from intelligence, life can only come from life.
No evidence of macro evolution not even historical data support such.

Macro Evolution is a complete facade. Nobody disprove that fact that minor alterations can happen once in a while but for a specie to become another specie entirely is a lie. Humans where never chimps. In fact the shared similarity by life forms Is a proof of God.

AntiChristian:
He never called Israelites masters but used it as a parable that he was sent only to them. The parable is clear! You even proved your own form of God is partial, unfair and biased.

No it proves God is a God of covenant. God is not partial no nation on earth ever call on God God chooses Israel and through Israel save the world.

Where was Jesus involved in the naming and making of Christianity?

Jesus does not need to name Christianity. Jesus is the author and finisher of Christianity.

Jesus told that woman he was sent to Israelites the master and he's not willing to attend to her as she's dogs! This means Jesus's world is Israel not the world entirely!
Jesus Christ can't change his word like a chameleon! The same today yesterday and forever!

Jesus attended to her also meaning the gentiles are part of God's plan.

These verses proves that Jesus christ is for all both Jews and gentiles.
Matthew 12:18 Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.
Matthew 12:21 And in his name shall the Gentiles trust.

Luke 2:32 A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.

Quote the verse where he accepted Jesus as Lord and personal savior? Show where he believed Jesus would die for his sins? Show where he believed Jesus was God?

For the man to accept Forgiveness from Jesus it means he accepted Jesus as his saviour which is a matter of the heart and also he knew the law that without the shedding of blood there is no Forgiveness meaning he believe that christ fulfill the law. Unlike the pharisees who did not believe Jesus can forgive sins because only God can which means this man believe Jesus can because he is the Son of God.

AntiChristian:
Stop the diversion.
1. Jesus didn't know anyone as Christian or non-christians but gentiles and Israelites aka dogs and masters!

Jesus never called Israelites masters,Jesus calling gentiles dogs is parable, in Israel dogs are often kept outside the house while children are inside the house, those who are in covenant with God are called children and those outside are called dogs.

The word Christian means christlike or those who belong to those who follow christ, it was a word coined in Antioch.

2. Which verse states that Jesus died for that man he forgave?

I have showed you the verse that stated that christ die for the whole world.

3. Did the man believe Jesus as God became man?

For the man to accept forgiveness from Jesus already know that Jesus is no mare man.

A typical jew cannot accept forgiveness of sin from a mare man.

Mark 2:7 Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?

AntiChristian:
Which Bible verse proves this assertion of yours?

No blood was mentioned in that verses. You better don't spread falsehood by trying to be relevant!

No Christian believes Jesus died for that man he said was forgiven!

Even the thief that he talked to.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.


Jesus christ didn't die for only Christians but also for non Christian even you.

AntiChristian:
When Jesus wanted to heal that man and said his sins were forgiven, where was blood shed?

Jesus blood accounted for the man too.

AntiChristian:
So God upgraded from animal sin redemption ritual to human rituals!

When God can just forgive sins without any blood!

Not human ritual, rather Jesus took the punishment that is laid on sinners.

There is no forgiveness without shedding of blood. God's justice cannot be bypassed.

AntiChristian:
Did Jesus had to die because he was a sinner?

All man will be punished only for their sins.

1.fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their fathers; each is to die for his own sin (deuteronomy 24:16).

2.everyone will die for their own sin; whoever eats sour grapes—their own teeth will be set on edge (jeremiah 31:30).

3.the one who sins is the one who will die (ezekiel 18:4).

4.yet you may ask, ‘why shouldn’t the son bear the iniquity of his father?’ since the son has done what is just and right, carefully observing all my statutes, he will surely live. 20the soul who sins is the one who will die. a son will not bear the iniquity of his father, and a father will not bear the iniquity of his son. the righteousness of the righteous man will fall upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked man will fall upon him. 21but if the wicked man turns from all the sins he has committed, keeps all my statutes, and does what is just and right, he will surely live; he will not die.…
ezekiel 18:19-21

So only the sinner will be punished and no one dies for anyone.

Yes fathers cannot be punished for the children's sin neither should the children be punished for the father's sin but God instituted a sacrificial system in which animals could take up the sins of people.

Jesus came as a sacrificial lamb to take away out sins.
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Jesus had many identities in the bible so he could take up multiple functions in line with the father's will.

Tochj:
Worship unto God is with ur spirit not with body.
Wether naked or not
Once ur spirit is right with God
Ur prayers and worship is acceptable.

@ bolded you are wrong
Romans 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

We worship God with body, soul and Spirit including our substance, everything we got.

Niftkid:
I just want to know if I will be forgiven ?

The question first of all is, are you saved?
Repentance is not asking God for forgiveness with your lips while your heart has determined to continue in its error, you think that by that you can decieve God?

Take your situation up in prayers to the Lord, there is nothing broken He cannot fix but first of all you must believe accept Jesus christ as your saviour and believe that he died and rose again for your sake.

That looks like a woman's private which is worship of divine Feminine, Roman catholicism also worship her as the queen or heaven.

LordReed:
LoLz! The process of billions of people enduring suffering over the course of thousands of years? Is that the process you are referring to?

First of all nobody has endured suffering upto a thousand years. The process is for those in Christ.

secondly, the glory that God is revealing to those who are in Christ cannot be compared to the suffering of this present time.

Thirdly, the sufferings in this world is as a result of man's separation from God and the worse fate is coming to them that reject God and his plan of salvation.

LordReed:
Then it doesn't matter, the god could have done all that at the beginning.

you are going round in circles again. When you go through school you start from the first level right? After finishing the whole level do you still repeat the process again? Or you can as well ask why not walk into the university and collect a BSc certificate from the beginning instead of going through thus whole process.

The Sons of God are going through a process, once the process is complete, everything would be changed.

LordReed:
"not choices like before" what does this mean?

It means things would be different.

LordReed:
LoLz. you are the one playing hide and seek. You asked:

Does this look like you asked, "which choice"?

And still you haven't answered the simple question, will these transformed have the ability make a choice in the heaven?

yes They can make a choice but not choices like before. In the new creation the order of things would be different.

Revelation 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

LordReed:
Lolz quote where you asked which "particular choice".

I asked "which choice", instead of playing hide and seek why don't you answer it.

kingxsamz:
Lol, no.
For one to be perfect, that person cannot be prone to having flaws.

you don't get to decide what is perfect or not so long you are not the designer neither do you even know the purpose why it was made.

So why all the mess then? Even a human being would have done better. From being omniscient to putting a dangerous tree in the same garden you intend your creation to inhabit forever, to being omnipotent, yet, still unable to stop Satan, to the point that you had to drown the entire world and send your son to die. And in the end nothing changed.

you are silly, why would you make a car to move on land and still prevent it from moving?
Why should God prevent man from exercising his freewill. The presence of Satan in the garden presents man with the opportunity to show where his loyalty lies.

Whoever created the tree of life and allowed Satan the serpent to have access to the garden where two inexperienced adults were supposed to live is definitely responsible for everything.
And please address the "robber analogy" I gave.

Your robber analogy makes no sense, nobody is putting a gun on your head.

Aemmyjah:
No
I was only agreeing with you on how you said perfection is not infallibility

yes I m sorry for the typo, I was referring to him, he wants to win argument at all cost.

LordReed:
Stop being obtuse, we are talking about making any sort of choice and you are talking as if I asked if they can choose to be rainbow unicorns. Simple question can they make any sort of choice, you are dancing around it.

you are being disingenuous, which "particular choice" I asked? You said any choice. This is an ambiguous answer.

Aemmyjah:
Don't mind them
They think perfection is infallibility
Humans and angels had the choice to do what they want. Their obedience was not to be automatic like robots

he seems you eant to win argument at all cost.

kingxsamz:
That just contradicts your belief of people not being able to sin in heaven. If Satan who was "perfect" in heaven which is "perfect" can sin in heaven then how much more humans?

perfection is not infallibility. Immediately he became imperfect he was cast out.

How can an imperfect being who was created imperfect be perfect? Also, how can a perfect god create imperfect things? Doesn't that nullify the notion that he's perfect?

God didn't create anything imperfect.

That means the Christian god is responsible for the force that makes people commit sin.
And how is it a choice when the options are unfavorable?
If a robber points a gun to your head and gives you the option to empty your savings account and give to him or die by his gun, would you describe that as freewill since humans are more inclined to go with the favorable option?
Would you consider that "consequences of one's action"?

God is not responsible first it is your inherent ancestors from your father Adam and secondly, you love it and do not want to be free from it. Otherwise God provided a way of escape through Jesus Christ.

John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

LordReed:
About anything.

Nobody can make a choice about everything, for example you don't choose who your parents will be neither your colour or height. Nobody makes absolute choice. The power of absolute choice only lies with God and he determines what and what we make choice from.