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LordReed:
According to you the angels were already in the heaven when they made the choice so the location or the nature is irrelevant. You didn't answer the question, can these transformed people make a choice?

make a choice about what?

kingxsamz:
@bolded...
Meaning there's something stopping or preventing anyone from making any other choice that isn't required in heaven.

@bolded not true, the devil sinned in heaven remember. But however nothing, unclean can ever be in heaven anymore. So those who will be in heaven must be those who desire God's Righteousness.
Those in heaven made a choice to be in that state in the first place, and they would be glad they are in that sate when the time comes.

That isn't freewill, that's the description of making people do only what you approve of without having any other choice, because all Christians still sin even after repentance, so why is their choice of going back to sin being prevented by force?

@ bolded again, you are talking about consequence not free will, you want to eat you cake and have it back. The problem here is God have principles.
If you want to live with God then you must be perfect like him, all those who want to be with him made the choice of being like God all those who does not esire or want righteous will be in their place which is the lake of fire.

Again, you get it wrong here, there is a force that propels man to commit sin and this force is in out body whether Christian or not but for a Christian he desires a condition in which he would not sin and that he will get.

So the question still remains unanswered.
why did the "good god" create beings who have the potentials to commit sin?
Why didn't he make them perfect and free of sin just like in heaven?
Another question. Are angels capable of committing sin in heaven?

God created things with the potential to commit sin so you can make the important choice of living in his kingdom or not.

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LordReed:
So these transformed people in heaven can't make a choice?

They would be grateful to God they made the right choice in the first place. Important choice to be with God is only made once. That is why those in hell would remain there forever even though they want a second chance.

LordReed:
So why didn't the god just create such people in the first place?

No,everyone must make a choice.
God gives everyone the freedom to make this important choice.
The angels were given this opportunity some rebelled against God others chose to continue with God, those ones that rebelled became devils while those that remained are called elect angels.

kingxsamz:
This was what the OP asked and you people mentioned freewill.

Now, I asked if there's freewill in heaven and you guys said yes, meanwhile, you claim one cannot commit sin in heaven.
So this only brings us back to the OP's question. Why would your "good god" create creatures who have potentials to commit sin?
Why didn't he just make them incapable of sin just as it is in heaven?

freewill means freedom to make choices. Those who will be in heaven have already made a choice, everyone must make a choice, after making this choice it becomes irreversible.

kingxsamz:
Lol, okay.
So someone goes to heaven, do they have the freewill to assault somebody?

those who go to heaven are already transformed. There is no assaulting or any other type of sin.

So much blood shed. Smh

Painful

Interesting!

Humans Sin because of the Adamic nature simple, but however for those in Christ a new Adamic nature is born in them and they are admonished to walk in that new man.

Ephesians 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

For those in christ their new nature is already made in righteousness and true holiness but however they are admonished to put it on.

Though Moses missed the promised land but he appeared with Jesus on the mount of transfiguration many thousands of years latter, Moses the Man of God is with the Lord.

A result of not retaining God in their knowledge.



Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

It shows what the Christian hope is truly. We hope for a resurrection in glory.

TenQ:
No, Muslims are not that blind but Islam has to rewrite history to be relevant. This they did, it is delebrate!

yes They are blind.
Islam just as many other false religion was made to blind fold people.

2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

TenQ:
Unfortunately, Islam relegates Jesus to be lower in rank to Mohammed

they are blind.

NNTR:
Hosea 4:11-15
11Prostitution, wine, and new wine take away the mind and the [spiritual] understanding.
12My people consult their [lifeless] wooden idol, and their [diviner’s] wand gives them oracles.
For a spirit of prostitution has led them astray [morally and spiritually],
And they have played the prostitute, withdrawing themselves from their God.
13They sacrifice on the tops of the mountains
And burn incense on the hills,
Under oaks, poplars, and terebinths,
Because the shade is pleasant there.
Therefore your daughters play the prostitute
And your brides commit adultery.
14I will not punish your daughters when they play the prostitute
Or your brides when they commit adultery,
For the men themselves slip away with prostitutes,
And they offer sacrifices with temple prostitutes [who give their bodies in honor of the idol].
So the people without understanding [stumble and fall and] come to ruin.
15Though you, Israel, play the prostitute [by worshiping idols],
Do not let Judah become guilty [of the same thing];
And do not go to Gilgal [where idols are worshiped],
Or go up to Beth-aven (House of Wickedness),
Nor swear [oaths in idolatrous worship, saying],

Look at you, biblical illiteracy and complete failure to correctly understand scripture, prevents you from understanding Romans 1:26-27. Which is what Apostle Paul was condemning in Romans 1, even in 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 too, was the infidelity, promiscuity and the cult practice of having sex with patrons, (i.e. temple prostitutes) as a form of deity worship.

These practices and custom(s) commonly and regularly happened in the Old Testament, in the lands before the Israelites arrived, and fast forward, at the time of penning Romans chapter 1, was again increasingly becoming rampant, hence prompted Apostle Paul to write the chapter with a scathing attack tone on it.

Apostle Paul, with Romans 1:18-32, particularly and especially verses 24, 26 & 27, was echoing what happened around when Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 were earlier given. He then added a twist, seen at Romans 1:26b; '... for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature' which means, the women too, have joined to be participants in the ongoing 'detestable customs practised'.

To Apostle Paul, it all, essentially had become like Déjà pooh. Déjà pooh, being the sense and feeling Apostle Paul had, thinking that he has 'seen' and read about this crap having previously happened before, like talking of, way back in the Canaan-Israelites days, but now, its reappeared on the ground, has appeared again on scene in double force, with the twist, being that, the women have joined gang too.

It is purposely because of vile and unseemly posters like you, that homosexuality, partly, is allowed, unhindered by God.

The stone which vile and unseemly posters, like you reject, as worthless, turns out to be most important, to our dearest heavenly Abba Father

Of course, God never created anything vile or unseemly, unless you can point out what is vile or unseemly is in giving agape love and receiving agape love back in return

So? So what Genesis 1:31 ?

The bible narrative, before Genesis 1:31, on each day of creation, has it that 'God saw ..., that it was good' (i.e. Gen. 1:4, 10, 12, 18, 21, 25), but take care to notice that, no such flattering compliment, ever was directly nor explicitly said, about the creation of man, suggesting to have been seen, as good.

Doubt you know the reason for the complete absence of the 'it was very good' impression about man. Or, please prove me wrong that you know. Hmm? Tell if you do

At the rate that you are going and keeping on here, you wouldnt merit a chance of ice in the lake of fire prospect of entering God's kingdom

Hate is not the first enemy of love. Ignorance is. Ignorance destroys the ability to think and trust.

In fact, the enemy of love, is never outside (i.e. inner me = enemy), it is what you lack in yourself. Yes, lack of comprehension, is the, inner me (i.e. enemy)

Would Judah, Tamar, Rahab king David and Bathsheba have any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.?
Answer nah

Matthew 13:34-35
34Jesus always used stories and illustrations like these when speaking to the crowds.
In fact, he never spoke to them without using such parables.
35This fulfilled what God had spoken through the prophet:
“I will speak to you in parables.
I will explain things hidden since the creation of the world

If you can be this ignorant to the fact and truth that Jesus is a story teller, only God knows the depth and size of other ignorances you harbour

The word 'theology' comes from two distinct Greek root words, 'theos', which means 'god' and logos, which means 'words'.

Now, this same word, theology, interestingly is also derived from the Latin word 'theologia', which translates to mean, the study and/or understanding of God (i.e. The first half of theology (i.e. Theo-) means, God in Greek, while the suffix (i.e. -logy) means, 'the study of (e.g. biology, zoology, pharmacology et cetera

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

you are disgusting and sick.

Jesus is so perfect not even the Koran could say that Jesus did any wrong unlike Mohammad who was a robber, a rapist an idolater.
There is enough evidence to show that Jesus is the Son of God.

Maynman:
Your New Testament the only place iesus chrestus is found is not only a myth but a forged, edited and plagiarized jargons.
Your extremism will kill only you and your father!

What’s the greek word of natural, and show us where it’s used.

Mattew 19:4 says nothing about sex.

You and your father has being disgraced once more and will always be.

Find out yourself.

Maynman:
New Testament was written in Greek.
Even in the animal kingdom, there’s homosexuality!
Your forged jewish book doesn’t determine natural or unnatural!

First, you have to answer what Paul means by “For this cause…” in verse 26. What “cause”?
Seems you are an illiterate extremist.

Read what Paul wrote in the preceeding verses, what was the “reason" and does it apply to any LGBT people today, or ever?
Rom 1:22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools,

Rom 1:23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

Rom 1:24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves,

Rom 1:25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

Paul is writing about idol worship, “images of mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things,” and the temple prostitution that existed in his culture, his society, not Gay and Lesbian people today, or ever. Not transgender people, who we are only beginning to understand
there is no word in ancient Hebrew or Greek for homosexuality.
Not the variety of normal (not immoral) sexual orientation that we experience.

Any sexual expression can become immoral. The porn sites are full of heterosexual sexual immorality.

Why are you in panic if it the bible is a myth?

There is actually a Greek word or natural, it is used there. You have no where to hide



The bible clearly defines what a natural sexual relation means.

Matthew 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

Unnatural is a deviation from this.

Maynman:
First, you have to answer what Paul means by “For this cause…” in verse 26. What “cause”?
Seems you are an illiterate extremist.

Read what Paul wrote in the preceeding verses, what was the “reason" and does it apply to any LGBT people today, or ever?
Rom 1:22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools,

Rom 1:23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

Rom 1:24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves,

Rom 1:25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

Paul is writing about idol worship, “images of mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things,” and the temple prostitution that existed in his culture, his society, not Gay and Lesbian people today, or ever. Not transgender people, who we are only beginning to understand
there is no word in ancient Hebrew or Greek for homosexuality.
Not the variety of normal (not immoral) sexual orientation that we experience.

Any sexual expression can become immoral. The porn sites are full of heterosexual sexual immorality.

All your jargons are found in a forged jewish book

There doesn't need to be a word to name something before you know what it is.
The name does not matter.

Immoral is not the same as unnatural,

Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Heterosexual sex is natural but homosexual sex is unnatural.

Maynman:
Just like your father, useless yahweh, you are a Murderer and an emotional extremist.

Why are you so desperate, how is homosexual affecting you PERSONALLY?

First, you have to answer what Paul means by “For this cause…” in verse 26. What “cause”?

Read what Paul wrote in the preceeding verses, what was the “reason" and does it apply to any LGBT people today, or ever?

Rom 1:22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools,

Rom 1:23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

Rom 1:24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves,

Rom 1:25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

Paul is writing about idol worship, “images of mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things,” and the temple prostitution that existed in his culture, his society, not Gay and Lesbian people today, or ever. Not transgender people, who we are only beginning to understand
there is no word in ancient Hebrew or Greek for homosexuality;. Not the variety of normal (not immoral) sexual orientation that we experience.

Any sexual expression can become immoral. The porn sites are full of heterosexual sexual immorality.

"For this cause" simply means for this reason, since you are dumb like your father.

Vv 26 is saying God abandoned them to "vile affections" because of the previous verse.

Vile affections/ unseemly means unnatural. Homosexuality,/transgender, non-binary are unnatural, they are vile.
You wailing can not can not change the truth.

Immoral is not the same as unnatural, Paul said they changed their natural use to that which is against nature.

Maynman:
A sheep can’t think but to quote a forged book where jargons are “boldly written”.
If the forged book promoted genocide, he will also agree with it, he has no thinking of his own!


First, you have to answer what Paul means by “For this cause…” in verse 26. What “cause”?

Read what Paul wrote in the preceeding verses, what was the “reason" and does it apply to any LGBT people today, or ever?

Rom 1:22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools,

Rom 1:23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

Rom 1:24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves,

Rom 1:25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

Paul is writing about idol worship, “images of mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things,” and the temple prostitution that existed in his culture, his society, not Gay and Lesbian people today, or ever. Not transgender people, who we are only beginning to understand
there is no word in ancient Hebrew or Greek for homosexuality;. Not the variety of normal (not immoral) sexual orientation that we experience.

Any sexual expression can become immoral. The porn sites are full of heterosexual sexual immorality.

Keep dodging, you can't erase it.

Heterosexual attraction was never described as vile or unseemly or unnatural only Homosexual desire.
Fornication or adultery is a sin but not a vile affection or unnatural.

Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Maynman:
You are a son of a Murderer, a genocide lover and a rapist in a jewish mythology!
You are a docile sheep that worships your pastor(shepherd).

You are a cretin, illiterate and blaspheming against the owner of yahweh life.

Legbegbe 4:19–20– Your father is satan, a Rapist and a Murderer, he’s long dead and useless and only found in jewish Fictions.
Your father, satan is a liar and a MURDERER, The only thing worse than a liar is a liar that's also a hypocrite and it’s lies that KILLED him and soon his brainwashed followers and they shall be condemned in nereka which is the legbegbe DEATH

The Lord is my shepherd I shall not want psalm 23.

You are a liar just like your father.

Maynman:
Note the conspicuous absence of any reference or allusion to homosexuality or sex in general?

Why do you have so much HATE for people that did nothing wrong with you all because you read a book, if the book said otherwise you’ll be fine with it, what kind of docile sheep is this!

You wish. You can only deny it but you can't change it.
It is boldly written here.



Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Maynman:
You are a docile sheep, and your pastor is your shepherd, your master.
You are a Murderer and sadist like your father, uselsss yahweh, you are always doing his barbaric wish that you read in a forged jewish book!

Unfortunately for you and your father, your Jesus Christ only exist in a forged book complied by CHRESTIANS outside of it he is non existent!

Thank God you know know that I am a Son of yahweh.

I am proud to be a Son of Yahweh, you on the other hand a goat,

You are heady, insolent, blasphemous like your father the devil.

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Maynman:
You are an emotional extremist all because I don’t worship your christian god.
You are a wicked person, you hate Zeus and esu.

Common sense 9:11: the extremist shall meet their waterloo, and your christian god only exist in a forged jewish book!

Why are you afraid?

Isaiah 33:14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?


Hebrews 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.

Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

Vv 26 is a consequence of the previous verse.

The reason why homosexuality exist is because God abandoned these people to it as a result of their rejection of God.

The previous verses expands on how people rejects the evidence of God, made idols for themselves declared themselves as wise.
Vv26 said for these cause God abandoned them to these vile and foolish desires.

Homosexuality is a result of man's fallen nature. The only reason humans can have some level of decency is because of God but when they think themselves to be wise to no longer need God or reject the knowledge of God, He will abandon them to their corrupt nature.

This is what is happening to this modern world, because people saw themselves as civilized, elightenment (this present age is called age of elightenment) they reject the knowledge of God that is why these things are rising.

Elightenment cannot make humans better they must be born again.

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Maynman:
Did the chapter start from vv27?
Why are you so desperate about an act that doesn’t affect you PERSONALLY, imagine calling me a wicked person because of what you read in a random book, did i kill someone
You are an EXTREMIST!

In your ephesian, Note the conspicuous absence of any reference or allusion to homosexuality or sex in general?

You are a wicked person, you hate God and Jesus Christ.

Psalms 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.

Maynman:
The Christian faith is based on Judaism and it’s also a false religion that is based on human imaginations.

A indoctrinated sheep can’t give any FACT except what his shepherd told him and he ignorantly “Beliefs”.
Your iesus chrestus doesn’t exist outside the New Testament created by CHRESTIANS!

I am Christ sheep but you are a goat just like your father the devil.
You are a liar just like your father, you are always doing his desire.

Unfortunately for you, you cannot change history, Jesus is a historical person.

Maynman:
I’m glad you know that “belief and faith” is insufficient to know truth.

Can you show evidence to this real historical figure?
Everything you know about this historical figure is found in which books and which authors?

The Christian faith is based on historical facts. About Jesus.
I am not going to waste my time of trying to give pearls to a pig.

Maynman:
First, you have to answer what Paul means by “For this cause…” in verse 26. What “cause”?

Read what Paul wrote in the preceeding verses, what was the “reason" and does it apply to any LGBT people today, or ever?

Rom 1:22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools,

Rom 1:23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

Rom 1:24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves,

Rom 1:25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

Paul is writing about idol worship, “images of mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things,” and the temple prostitution that existed in his culture, his society, not Gay and Lesbian people today, or ever. Not transgender people, who we are only beginning to understand
there is no word in ancient Hebrew or Greek for homosexuality;. Not the variety of normal (not immoral) sexual orientation that we experience.

Any sexual expression can become immoral. The porn sites are full of heterosexual sexual immorality.

you have been trying to avoid vv 27, since but there is no hiding place for a wicked person.

Ephesians 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.