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Barristter07:

You are correct, I don't think anyone dispute that Jesus is God. So far, even humans are God's.

The issue is in verse 10

" and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority"

We have been brought to fullness because we are God's too, but you would agree with me that we are not in the same category with Jesus ? He is the head of every power and authority we may possess.

In the same way , Jesus is lower in rank to his Father. His Father is his head hence the Bible said God is the head of Christ.

Jesus have a God, that's why His Father is called the only true God . the Father doesn't have a God

Thanks for your time,

Vv4 said " you are full in him" which is different from having the fullness of God's divine quality .

Jesus is Lord.

All these are waste of time, if the man died in sin without christ.
Roman catholic religion just like many other religion lead souls to hell not to God.

What does it mean to say that Jehovah is the only true God?

According to colossians 2vv 9 new world translation
The fullness of the divine quality is in christ.

Colossians 2 vv 9
because it is in him that all the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily.

The qualities of God includes love, wisdom, faithfulness, Almightiness, righteousness, etc

According to col 2 :9 new world translation Jesus has all these qualities in full.

Meaning Jesus possesses the quality
of Almightiness just like Jehovah in the old testament.
So if Jesus possesses the full nature of Jehovah doesn't that make Jesus the truly God?

jaephoenix:
Lol. So are you now accepting good morals can exist and be practiced by irreligious and atheistic folks? Don't allow your fellow christians to hear this

yes Good morals can be practiced by irreligious to some extent however such morals can easily be eroded beause of no foundation. Every human has an imprint of the creator in them how beit it is corrupted and can easily be thrown away.

jaephoenix:
Actually, Nigerians are even better religiously. Many more irreligious countries exist who are much better than Nigeria. Yet they didn't accept your god's ways

There are principled of God that even the irreligious apply without knowing God so they don't need to know God before they apply his principle.

jaephoenix:
But right now, Nigeria has more christians than Israel, yet our suffering compared to theirs is worse, and worse as we speak

having more christians by name in Nigeria will not reduce the suffering rather do Nigerians accept God's ways of life?

These are not prophecies.

Bat4ever2023:
I was once a serial fraudster before i accepted Jesus into my life. Note. Jesus himself has claimed me as his own person.
Now I've put on the white garment that we were told to do in revelations. Unfortunately it seems as every time i sleep. I hear laughter in the background with the cries of a woman. As if the person laughing is enjoying the tears. Sometimes i wake up as i myself partook in the enjoyment.
I took this issue to a friend of mine who comes from a very ancient Jewish lineage. He advised i do some Jewish customs.
Unfortunately. It seems as if I'm having a big crisis of faith. Do i follow his customs or what.
I asked the holy spirit and his answer was that i am fighting against myself.. I brought this here to hear opinions from my Christian Brethren.

Read Romans 10 vv 9 - 11
John 3 vv16-18, 1 John 1 vv 9, Isaiah 53.

The blood of Jesus is sufficient for your sins to be cleansed.

The next step is your conscience need to be sanctified with the word.

And if possible do restitution.

crystalmoon:
Growing up I love reading, I read about the second world war and how over 5million Jews were killed without their god doing anything.
Same god we read in the bible killed Egyptian first borns just because they didn't let his people go ,
Is the Israelites god a scam , human invention or real .
Logical and reasonable answer please .

Israel has already fallen away from God by rejecting Christ.

Kobojunkie:
The statement in bold is a lie! All the blood will do for you is help you become born-again but know that all those who will end up in Hell are all also born-again. What will instead get you into Heaven is doing the work that God has commanded that all those who belong to.Him do and that work involves living your life in continuous submission and obedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ, the only way there is for anyone to become righteous

junkie spewing thrash as ever.
Where was it written in the bible that those who go to hell are born again?

Jesus said anyone who believed the Gospel will be saved.
Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Jesus said those who has everlasting life will not come into condemnation.

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Mark 9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:


To enter into life is to be saved from hell fire.


I write this for the sake of anyone who would want to gobble down her gibberish.

Kobojunkie:
See, pick-and-choose approach to that which is written is a sickness of the mind, did you know that? If you cannot accept all that Is stated as being part of the whole, what you have is absolutely nothing and deprives you of everything.

Again, God cursed and scattered Israel to the four winds of the earth - Deuteronomy 30 vs 1 - 6 - promising to eventually gather them back to Himself. Jesus Christ, who told you that He was sent only to the Lost sheep of israel, sent His disciples out into the world as fishers of men, guess what men they were sent out to fish out from among those in the world?

you are the one that is sick, you haven't realised it because of your delusion
When Jesus was born the Holy Spirit revealed that Jesus will be salvation to both jews and Gentiles.

Luke 2:27 And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law,

2:28 Then took he him up in his arms, and blessed God, and said,

2:29 Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word:

2:30 For mine eyes have seen thy salvation,

2:31 Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people;

2:32 A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.

"All the people" was defined as Gentiles and Israel. Not your wrapped and deluded definition.


Again, Mathew 12 : 22 reinstated the fact that Gentiles (non jews) shall also put their trust in Jesus.

Matthew
12:21 And in his name shall the Gentiles trust.

Kobojunkie:
LOL... always looking to blame Satan for that which they don't understand .... God never gave men religion and your religiosity will lead you nowhere near His Truth.

You are a foolish woman of course, depraved, without the fear of God.

Proverbs 9:13 A foolish woman is clamorous: she is simple, and knoweth nothing.

Ecclesiastes 7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool: this also is vanity.

Proverbs 29:1 He, that being often reproved hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy.

Kobojunkie:
See, pick-and-choose approach to that which is written is a sickness of the mind, did you know that? If you cannot accept all that Is stated as being part of the whole, what you have is absolutely nothing!

Again, God cursed and scattered Israel to the four winds of the earth - Deuteronomy 30 vs 1 - 6 - promising to eventually gather them back to Himself. Jesus Christ, who told you that He was sent only to the Lost sheep of israel, sent His disciples out into the world as fishers of men, guess what men they were sent out to fish out from among those in the world?

Dumbo how does that address what Jesus himself said? Keep repeating thrash like a broken record.

Kobojunkie:
Ping me when you finally understand the meaning and proper application of the term out-of-pocket.

God cursed and scattered Israel to the four winds of the earth - Deuteronomy 30 vs 1 - 6 - promising to eventually gather them back to Himself. Jesus Christ, who told you that He was sent only to the Lost sheep of israel, sent His disciples out into the world as fishers of men, guess what men they were sent out to fish out from among those in the world?

Rubbish, if you don't repent from your lewdness and rebellion against God you end in disaster.

You are being used to oppose God by Satan. Repent, turn to God from your wickedness.

Kobojunkie:
Ping me when you finally understand the meaning and proper application of the term out-of-pocket.

Mrs Dumbo, rubbish talker.

Luke 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Jesus made it clear that repentance and remission of sins would be preached to all nations beginning at Jerusalem.

Forgiveness and remission of sin means salvation from condemnation available to all nations.
Dumbo daughter of Satan, your end is coming.

Kobojunkie:
Yet in Matthew 15 vs 24, Jesus Christ said the father sent Him only to the Lost sheep of Israel , affirming God's own Word through His prophets that He would make an agreement with the House of Israel- Jeremiah 31 vs 31 - 34

stop quoting the scriptures out of context in your delusion.

Jesus was speaking of his earthly ministry of which healing was among.

Jesus commissioned his disciples to bring the gospel to all nations.



Matthew 15:22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.

15:23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.

15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

15:25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.

15:26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.

15:27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.


15:28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

MaxInDHouse:
OLÓDO!

Which divine nature again?

Both in heaven and on earth he is described as different from God!
Before he came to earth David referred to him as Lord but David saw two persons one JEHOVAH (LORD) and Jesus (Lord) Psalms 110:1, Stephen when stoned to death gazed into the heavens and saw two persons one standing at the right hand side of the other. Act 7:56

So what stupid divine nature made Jesus the Almighty God and when, how?

OLODO who said Jesus and the father are the same person?
Jesus is God Almighty.

MaxInDHouse:
Do you know the meaning of ALMIGHTY?

About the ninth hour, Jesus called out with a loud voice, saying: “Eʹli, Eʹli, laʹma sa·bach·thaʹni?” that is, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” Matthew 27:46

“Father, if you want to, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, let, not my will, but yours take place" Luke 22:42


Therefore, in response Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to you, the Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever things that One does, these things the Son does also in like manner" John 5:19

"I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative. Just as I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me". ~ John 5:30

Jesus then said: “After you have lifted up the Son of man, then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing of my own initiative; but just as the Father taught me, I speak these things" John 8:28

Almighty indeed!

Jesus said those things because he became a man.
He is Amighty God in his divine nature.

Nobody is laughing in hell.

MaxInDHouse:
That's why you people have so many doctrines contradicting and conflicting because you missed the mark of truth. Luke 11:23

God has many sons ✓
Jesus is one of them ✓
God refers Jesus as "Son" ✓
Jesus addresses his father as "Father" ✓
God has never been in agony needing help ✓
Jesus was begging God for help ✓
Jesus worships his Father ✓
God worships no one ✓

So if translators now use the same case for the both of them whereas one is described as standing/sitting at the right hand side of the other {Act 7:56 compare to Psalms 110:1} then something is wrong with your doctrine!

It does take away the scriptural truth that Jesus is God Almighty.

[quote author=Corrections post=119543900]You are right Jesus is God.

MaxInDHouse:
Rest my guy this is more than what you can grasp!

satan lying witness.

knowingChrist:
Some of the critical questions popularly asked by irreligious persons are: would we (Christians) still believe-in Jesus if we find out that he’s never coming back? Would we still follow the laws of faith if we find that the man Jesus was just a made up story in history?

It is natural for us to respond emotionally to these kind of questions (usually to shift the focus of the discussion), but the truth is: we will have to ask ourselves these kind of questions at some points in our walk of faith; we have to critically analyze our beliefs, ideologies, and definitions to see if they’re worth defending.

Answers to questions of these such do not only serve as response to unbelievers, but they more importantly reveal our understanding of what we are doing with our lives; our understanding of the good news. They also reveal our true intent and desires towards the faith of God, and our sense of judgment.

What would we do if we find out that there’s no consequence whatsoever for unrighteousness? Would we continue to live as the bible suggests, or would we change our lifestyle?

The term righteousness means to live (act) rightly. Therefore, the righteousness of God is to live (act) in the way that God considers right. As Christians, we have been encouraged to live in God’s righteousness (that is: to live beyond what we consider right, but live as God considers right). In fact, a Christians is one who loves righteousness (God’s).

The reason many of us consider righteousness as a viable way of life is mainly because of the consequence that we hear exists for unrighteousness, without which righteousness will sound unattainable and stupid to us. Our approach to righteousness is negative; we do not live rightly because we love and enjoy the right way of life, we only live rightly because we fear the consequence for living wrongly.

Alas, negative approach cannot produce positive effect. The impact of negative approach to righteousness is difficulty and struggle; it becomes a struggle for us to live rightly, whereas, the burden of righteousness is easy. The lack of love for the right way of life causes us to struggle; we struggle to live rightly. Righteousness is the nature of God, as we have been born by God, we too by our nature should live rightly. It should be the easiest thing for us to do.

We do not struggle to eat, speak, see, feel, or hear because these things are natural. In fact, struggling or not being able to do these things at all is an indication of a defective birth or a disease. Similarly, struggling or not being able to do righteousness indicates that a person is diseased; in sin and not in God.

We do not struggle to eat food, speak about football, watch movies, get on social media because we enjoy and love these things. Our struggle to live rightly indicates we do not love or enjoy doing what’s right; we do not love the nature of God, which means we do not love the nature of our new birth, and if by chance we live rightly, we are only doing so to avoid the consequence of unrighteousness.

This should not be the case, living rightly should be the only reasonable way of life to a Christian. The wrong way should be unreasonable to us. For example, it should be easier for us to tell the truth than to lie simply because we are born by the spirit of truth, and the only reasonable thing to do. Lying should be unreasonable to us.

A Christian by understanding sees the benefits of righteousness, he lives rightly because he loves these benefits. He sees no benefit whatsoever in unrighteousness, so refuses to live wrongly because it is basically a waste of time, resources and essence to live in a way that affords no benefit to the soul. This is irrespective of whether or not the unrighteous shall be punished.

Therefore, although there are some of us who will plunge into unrighteousness if they discover that it attracts no consequence, we should all grow to the level that living rightly is our only option of life; we should grow to the level that we consume righteousness, and abhor unrighteousness.
How would we feel if we find that no one will burn for eternity? Would we be contented with this judgment or would we feel bitter because sinners are not going to be in agony forever?

One of the peripheral reasons why some irreligious persons hate the good news is because of the said punishment that awaits sinners. They see the judgment of eternal torment as unfair and totally wicked. This makes them question God’s sense of judgment and the motive of the Christian faith.

This particular judgment (eternal torment) is not peculiar to Christianity, it is quite popular in ancient myths, and a norm in the Abrahamic religions. Quite often, when we get quizzed for our faith, we tend to remind irreligious persons of this said judgment, and this more often infuriates them further to hate Christ.

For us to really discuss how we will feel if sinners are not tormented in fire forever, we must first research the scriptures to see if there’s any such judgment in the books. For it is irrelevant to discuss a topic without first establishing the truth of the scriptures.

Is it written that sinners shall be tormented forever? No, it is not written. What then is written? The scriptures confirm that sinners will be continuously tormented just as we see in the myths of other religions, however, this continuous torment will only last till the sinful soul is destroyed (utterly).

Sinners are diseased (in their thoughts), this is why each Christian needed to be healed by the stripe of Jesus. The fire (of the end) shall be created and released to destroy every diseased cell. Each sinner shall be burned till every cell of their existence is dissipated and destroyed till they become just ash (Malachi 4:3), and smoke from their ash shall rise to the heavens forever (Revelation 14:11).

Therefore, the idea of eternal torment is not biblical, it is a horrible imagination used to instill fear and anger in the minds of those who do not understand the judgment of God. It is often mistaken for eternal destruction, the judgment of God on sinners.

Is there a difference? Yes, there is. What is the difference? Destruction is the process or act to damage something so that it no longer exists – to cause (through damage) to inexist. Therefore, eternal destruction means to cause to inexist forever. But torment means to to exist but be in agony, and eternal torment means to exist forever but be in continuous pain. These are two different concepts.

So then, let us welcome this judgment (eternal destruction). In fact, let us be happy that no one is going to be diseased forever, and the fire shall save them from eternal regret. Anything short of this is unjust, for who imagines eternal agony for someone else without questioning such judgment? Perhaps a wicked person or a person too scared to question such judgment.

Would we continue to live like Christ if we find that Jesus is not coming back for us? Would we still be excited to tell people about the Christly life?
Well, we’ve already defined why we live the Christly life, we think it is reasonable and living contrary is unreasonable. So, yes, we’ll should continue to live the Christly life even if we find that Jesus isn’t coming back.

Although Jesus is definitely coming back, in a hypothetical situation where he doesn’t, we should condition our minds to continue this life and encourage others to live like us because we are convinced this is the only right way to live. We should be like Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego who though trusted they will be saved, will not compromise even if there is no salvation (Daniel 3:16-18).

We should not live the Christly life because we were told that we’d be saved sometime in the future, we should live because we are convinced of its righteousness. Salvation happens to us through this life. It is important to note that salvation is not the promise, the Holy Spirit is the promise, and salvation is a consequence. For the just (righteous) shall live by faith, and salvation happens through the faith they (the just) live by.

Thank you for reading, enjoy your holidays…

Jesus word is yes and Amen that is why people can put their faith in him. Saying Jesus is not coming back again means nullifying the faith of Christians and therefore salvation is dismissed.

In as much as Jesus rose again from the grave which is a living evidence then his coming back is guaranteed.

Acts 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Denying that Jesus is coming back is denying his resurrection and hence denying the sufficient of his sacrifice on the cross.

MaxInDHouse:
After saying adopted son you are now denying ọmọ pack one side and allow those with humble spirit learn the truth! Matthew 5:5

Where did I say Angels were adopted? Liar

MaxInDHouse:
God has many sons both spirit (angels) and fleshy (humans) but He first created one person {Proverbs 8:22} through whom He created all other things {Colossians 1:16} this is the first born of all creations {Colossians 1:15} that's why he is rightly called the only begotten Son of God {John 3:16} because he was the master craftsman who was acting in line with God's orders in the beginning {Proverbs 8:30} so whenever you read where God said "let this thing be like this" {Genesis 1:3, 6, 9, 11, 14, 20, 24, 26} those are instructions given to the master craftsman (Jesus) who was with God in the beginning! John 1:2

Where was it written that God created all other thing through Jesus?

But he is not the only Son of God, God has many sons but due to Jesus' intimacy with our God and father since a long time ago when only the two of them were together Jesus has adapted to all his father's thoughts that's why he could say "i and the father are one" {John 10:30} because he always think of doing things his father's way {John 8:28-29} he now wants all worshipers of God to develop the same line of thought with his father so that we can all be ONE just as himself and his father are ONE! John 17:22

Jehovah said he didn't use any body to create the theaven and earth.

Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;


Job 9:8 Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea.

hopefulLandlord:
what nonsense are you talking about?
If it's true she's a witch then she deserved everything that came to her. Our God and creator, Yahweh, through the Holy Bible told us in the book of Exodus Chapter 22 v 18 that we should suffer not the witch to live.

I admire the courage of these guys to killed that witch. they shouldn't be attested but rewarded handsomely for their upholding the Bible. They should be given weapons to keep killing witches and wizards who are responsible for this country's misery. they're the ones causing accidents on roads, sending diseases, killing good people, epileptic power supply, inequality, political instability, preventing successes of people amongst other things
If we kill all witches completely all our problems would be solved and everywhere in Nigeria would make the developments in Dubai look like a child's play

I'd hire a team of lawyers to not only get these guys out but also amend the constitution to make it perfectly legal to kill witches, if you want the country to be good you'd come with me on this mission.

If I get information from Yahweh that any of my family member is a witch I won't hesitate to kill such a person and you should be like me

Does Nigeria operate on Israel's law? Atheism is synonymous with stupidity.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ if you don't know what to say please keep shut!

you are an ignorant man you should shut up your mouth.

MaxInDHouse:
Where were they called "ADOPTED"?

Did I tell you they were adopted?

AntiChristian:
How's Jesus not a figure of speech?

Did God sire Jesus asexually or sexually?

In the greek word, the word begotten is monogenes is Greek, it is used to describe one with Special relationship rather than physical birth.

MaxInDHouse:
Can you quote where the Bible called those mentioned at Genesis 6:2 and Job 38:7 "ADOPTED SONS"?

which of them was called God's begotten

MikeMicheal:
As sons of God, we all are God then.
So, nothing special about Jesus.

Jesus is the one and only Son of God, there are no other Sons all other Sons are either adopted or a figure of speech like the judges of Israel.