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Psoul:
Well, my dear, I truly knw that your question was not really to build ur spiritual faith. You were asking just to twist the Bible a little.
Now let me clear you here.
God never created Adam and Eve to turn around to punish them. It is just like saying that God created Judas to betray Jesus and still God turned around to punish him.

The fact is that There is Satan in this world. So long as there is the existence of Satan here, bad things are bound to happen. Now, do God destine any man in particular to accomplish the bad thing? No...He will never do that. God created everyone with living conscience. He gives every man total freedom to chose between bn good or bn bad.

So God created Adam and Eve to enjoy and live happily in the Garden, they made their choice and god God offended. Just like in the case of Judas. The duty of betraying Christ was not handed over to Judas. It was available for anyone that will allow himself to be used by Satan. God knows that if He sends His son, Satan will like to kill him so that the mission will not yield fruit not knowing that killing Him will make it yield fruit faster. So Judas availed himself for that job. It could have bn anyone else.

Let me give u a practical example. Let's assume u are a student. You have a good looking smartphone. U know that if you leave ur phone unattended to in an open class, it will be stolen by someone. You want to know some of those students stealing ppl's stuff. Probably, u want to shame them to deter others.
Now, u drop ur phone in that empty class. God to somewhere and hide. U will be watching ppl coming and leaving the class. Some will come, see the phone and go their way. Someone who will allow himself to be used by Satan will take the phone, switch it off and convert it to his. If u catch this person and punish him/her, will I be right to say that you destined that person to steal ur phone?
You did not, but among many, he/she allowed him/herself to be used by Satan.

Your answer, as well as your analogy, is faulty. It limits God's omniscience. An all-knowing God knows who will steal the phone!

SilentRiddles:
It's a demonic incantation directed to a demon called 'Queen of Heaven.'

Read the Bible yourself, my dear. Start from John chapter 1. One chapter a day.

Luke 1: 26-56

SilentRiddles:
Show me catechism in the Bible.

Show me where Jesus Christ said the Priest (a sinner himself) is Christ's authority on earth.

You may talk to people and seek their advice and prayer, but confession is to God only. They just keep twisting BIble everywhere for these people and they are swallowing them hook, line and sinker.

John 20: 22-23

SilentRiddles:
Quote the Bible, my friend. Oh, you don't know the Bible. Where did Jesus say you should confess to another sinner (your priest). Confess to God, repent and be born again. He will give you His spirit and you will hate sin and don't need to confess again.

Open the Bible and read. Start from John chapter 1. One chapter a day. You will discover the truth yourself.

James 5:16
John 20:22-23

SilentRiddles:
These are grand deceits they dish out to justify demon worship. They would also say 'oh you need to honour the mother of your Lord' when even Jesus shunned his own mum at a point. Lol. Justify your practice by Bible commands, not looking for things in everyday life to glibly explain it away. Read the Bible yourself, not what 'father' tells you.

John 19: 26-27

GogobiriLalas:
You agree to dupe somebody in return for contract thief meet thief deuces

Exactly. This is the problem with Nigerians. In his mind now, he's an innocent fellow who almost fell for a scam. To him, what he agreed with the lady to do to the lady's boss is not scam.

Disgusting fellows. Just like these property agents looking for ways to shortchange property owners and buyers all the time. I know one who will always add money to what the owner demands and front someone as the person bringing the buyer. The so-called buyer's agent will request that the owner adds his cut on top his asking price. A 500k ppty will be sold for 700k or 10mil ppty will be sold for 12mil. He pockets the extra and still collects his agency fees from both the buyer and the seller.

Even in house rent the same. From as little as a 200k rent, he will make nothing less than 150k. To rent a house in Lagos, you pay almost double of the house rent because of these assistant deputy landlords. To them, what they are doing is not scam.

Nigeria is hopeless seriously. Even the unborn are rogues!

gidjah:
in this era of new testament you mean ?

Yea

alBHAGDADI:
This is a pure rubbish teaching coming from a Catholic Bishop of gay kingdom.

Where did God order that we should do what this preacher said with our tithe? Nowhere. What God said in Malachai 3:10 is that we should bring the tithe to his house. He didn't say we should branch somewhere else with it.

Yes, the pastor's idea seems like a reasonably brilliant and kind one, but that doesn't make it right in God's eyes. Remember that the way man thinks is different from the way God thinks.

Man thinks it is a good thing to give the tithe to someone in need of it. But where did God say such about tithe? Nowhere. He only said to bring it to his house and from there it is distributed to the needy.

Think of it this way: You are on your way to the hospital with 100k to pay for your child's medical bills. Suddenly you found a needy man. Be honest with yourself, will you give the money to the needy man to the detriment of your child in the hospital?

I can bet you won't. So why do you now think it is right to give your tithe to the needy man? Remember, it is God's money and you have no right to decide how to help God spend it, especially when he gave you no such order.

Look, don't let people bamboozle you weird scenarios like the one given by the preacher. Always stand by God's command. The tithe is his, and the only thing you can do with it is to take it to his house, nowhere else.

They may even use your child as an example, saying what if your child is sick and the money needed for treatment is equivalent to the tithe money you have, which is your last dime.

What will I say in this case? Give that money to God because it is his. At this point many will be kicking against me. Little do they know that they are kicking against Jesus who said...


Mathew 10:37
He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

Why do you think Abraham is referred to as a friend of God today? Because he obeyed God by proceeding to sacrifice his son Isaac as commanded by God. He didn't think twice. But people who are not worthy of Jesus are the ones who will disobey him by doing the thoughts of their heart instead of his word.

Proverbs 3:5-6 (KJV)
5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

And what did you learn from the parable of the Good Samaritan?

gidjah:
hmmmm I kinda get your point here sir, I am a clergy and I shall ever be ready to tell my members that while thite are not a MUST in this new testament, (God already paid a thite of all , using Christ on the cross)Sacrificial giving and offerings are the very most important, since they are not under oath or law. I HAVE A QUESTION HERE TOO, WHO ARE THE LEVITES (without inheritance )in this new testament?the pastors, bishops, etc ??this would answer our questions and clear out our arguments

There are no Levites in Christendom!

Anybody that sees something wrong with this teaching hasn't learned anything from the parable of the Good Samaritan!

OP, I don't pray to welcome you to the club.

I have been there and still suffer the same thing — since 2007. Fortunately, yours isn't chronic yet. While I won't advise you to quit your job (like I did), because of the nature of the country, you need to find ways to reduce stress and relax better.

Medications are not usually the solution, though they may help in the short term. Reducing stress and exercising regularly will help you. Breathing deeply while in bed may help too. Don't forget to switch off the lights before going to bed. I have found that reading funny comments here, while in bed, helps me laugh hard, and it tends to improve my sleep — probably the brain releasing more relaxing chemicals like the endorphins.

But medically, having an elevated blood pressure at your age isn't normal. While it seems to be as a result of the stress, the right thing is to rule out other possible causes of elevated blood pressure in the young, such as hyperadrenalism, thyroid conditions, and kidney conditions. So, if you have enough money, I will suggest you visit the hospital and do the necessary tests — Adrenal hormonal assays, Thyroid function test, Kidney function test, and abdominal ultrasound.

Commentor:
Arghh.

Ok I got the name of the musician wrong.

What do you say about the 80% innocent rate?

This blanket arrest is evil; it's unjust! EFCC should do their job — investigate, get evidence, arraign and then parade. That is the way to tackle crime.

Tagging every young man working with a laptop as an internet fraudster is evil, and the fallout is dangerous!

The world has turned to a global village because of the internet. Online jobs can help reduce the level of unemployment in the country. It can reduce traffic and decongest our cities.

But instead of looking for ways to encourage the citizens, they're scaring the youths away from seeking legitimate means of livelihood.

Nobody says EFCC shouldn't eradicate the Cyber criminals, but they should do it the right way — the way FBI does it. Blanket arrest is not the way to go!

Goodnight!

Commentor:
Zlatan is not free.

He is on bail.

You need to know the difference.

The Payoneer issue could even be the error of the reporter.

It wasn't the official statement of EFCC.

You are wrong!
Zlatan and three others were freed. It's Nairamaley that's on bail.

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/330030-zlatan-three-others-freed-naira-marley-still-in-efcc-custody.html

Now, you have your percent — 4 freed out of 5 arrested and paraded. That's 80% of those arrested and paraded were innocent!

Funny, I only thought it was only Zlatan and Nairamaley. But just like I said earlier, we know about Zlatan's release because he's popular — what about those three others? Most of us don't know they're freed — their faces have been paraded as criminals for life. Make no mistake about this — that their release appeared on the news was because they're released along side Zlatan. And as you can see, they were called "three others"!

My brother, there are countless "unreported three others" among all these youths unjustly arrested and paraded on a daily basis!

Commentor:
I'll take you serious when you show me the %age acquitted.

The fraudsters themselves don't complain, it is always you lot thinking you are smarter than the system that do.

You think EFCC is made up of dummies and you know better than them.

The same people who said that one Nigerian guy developed Payoneer. Was it not here that I read it?

Was Zlatan not paraded Nairamaley before he was freed? Now, being a celebrity, his acquittal was all over the place, so you and I know he did nothing wrong.

There are many like Zlatan among all these people arrested and paraded on a daily basis. Because they're nobody, you don't hear about their release. But their image have been forever tarnished!

Commentor:
Time and time again, we see them convicted for fraud.

They would state the victim.

They would state the sum.

They would prove the false identity by the criminal.

They would show how the money was transferred.

These guys would be convicted.

If you think otherwise, then it means you are not being truthful.

Another generic answer as expected.

Do you really think everyone of those guys paraded are prosecuted? Probably out of every 10 paraded, two or three are prosecuted. What happens to the innocent ones paraded without any crime?

So you think the best way to get a criminal is to arrest anyone you can lay your hands on and then sort them out later. What of the innocent fellows whose image are unjustly tarnished?

Let me ask you a question: did you read the FBI cases? How they did their investigation first and then arraign the criminal with evidence. Why can't EFCC follow international best practices?
Why parade before investigation, and in the process, get innocent ones paraded for no just reason?

How will you feel to be paraded as a criminal when you haven't done anything wrong? That's exactly what happens with this style of blanket arrest and parade. If you feel it's right, may it be your portion!

Another fallout of this gestapo style of fighting crime is that useful tools — laptops and phones — are now seen as criminal tools. Working with a laptop, as a young man, is like owning an unregistered firearm!

Commentor:
following intelligence reports received by the Commission about their alleged involvement in the criminal activity

But if you say they are freelance such as yourself, perhaps as colleagues you can help them out.

That's a neighbor reporting to the EFCC that some fellows stay at home and work with laptops is all that is needed to confirm that they are internet fraudsters?

I have no problem with the neighbors reporting people to EFCC. They may be ignorant, and that's fine.

The issue is with EFCC arresting someone based on hearsay and worse, parading the person based on hearsay, without first investigating the person to confirm whether he's committed any crime.

Why can't they check them first to get evidence of crime before parading them? If you claim that EFCC did that before parading them, why couldn't they say what the crime was?

From what you pointed, these fellows were arrested and paraded based on "them say he's into internet fraud"!

Now, an average Nigerian, yourself included, sees any young man working from home with a laptop as an internet fraudster.

In a 21st century where the entire world is connected online!

Commentor:
Nobody has ever criminalized laptops.

Last last these boys will plead guilty in court.

Perhaps when the case is in court they can call you as an expert witness.

From what you read in this thread, please point the crime of those guys whose faces are thrown up there! Maybe I wasn't seeing clearly. But laptops and phones are criminal tools recovered from them!
The only day they tried giving details, they said the guy developed Payoneer to scam people — the level of ignorance is amazing!

Commentor:
Nobody has ever criminalized laptops.

Last last these boys will plead guilty in court.

Perhaps when the case is in court they can call you as an expert witness.

Still waiting for your answer to the question I asked.

Grupo:
I'm a freelance writer. I work on Fiverr.com, a freelance marketplace.

I also write and sell eBooks on Amazon.com.

But with people like you who think everyone with a laptop is a yahoo boy, I have lost hope.

Yes, I'm still here for now but that doesn't invalid the fact that blacks are airheads who don't have thee capacity to create a civilization.

My Canada express entry is already being processed.

Bro, I sent you a DM. I'm already planning to diversify into selling books. Please I will need your guidance.

Commentor:
Nobody has ever criminalized laptops.

Last last these boys will plead guilty in court.

Perhaps when the case is in court they can call you as an expert witness.

From what you read in this thread, please point the crime of those guys whose faces are thrown up there! Maybe I wasn't seeing clearly. But laptops and phones are criminal tools recovered from them!

The only day they tried giving details, they said the guy developed Payoneer to scam people — the level of ignorance is amazing!

Grupo:
For now, no African country is stable in my opinion. They are all a bunch of shit holes. Africans have demonstrated that they don't have the capacity to grow a civilization. So, Canada is my only option for now.

I see. That's great.

abbey621:
No country will accomodate you as long as your brethens are known for spreading evil. We can all runaway from Nigeria but as long as the country remains a sh*thole, there would be no peace at home or abroad!

I agree with you. That's why I think staying here may be better. If the country gets better, great. If it goes under, we go with it.

stifej:
You guys keep shouting that politicians are the biggest yahoo, yes I agreed with you. But who bears the brunt of these guys activities, is it the politician? hell no, it is you and I, it is the average Nigerian that gets deny of legit opportunities because these lowlife scammers have tarnished our noble image.

Dent or no dent, if you're good at what you do, those who need you will find you! (Pic attached — a client calling the introvert boss!).

While it is good to go after internet fraudsters, the way EFCC is going about it is nothing short of criminalizing laptops!

Did read about the FBI cases — the way the investigate crime first, Get tangible evidence, approach court and get an arrest warrant, before making an arrest.

But here, it is the opposite. EFCC will arrest, parade, before looking for an evidence to charge the person, and the person may end up being innocent. But by then his image is tarnished already.

Why can't EFCC develop the capacity to mount online surveillance, even if it means monitoring emails and international phone calls? Why criminalizing laptops?

Commentor:
You guys just scream freelance up and down.

Freelance at what?

At any skills you have — graphic design, web design, coding, bookkeeping, virtual assistant, writing, even singing and dancing!

Grupo:
I'm also an introvert and a recluse at that.

I have been freelancing for years since I left school. But seriously, the way this country is going now is getting me scared.

Even efcc doesn't understand that you are a freelancer. I see no difference between them and illiterate Sars. They believe that having a computer makes you a fraudster.

I don't want a situation where they would plaster my face all over the internet before even verifying that I am not a fraudster. I have a reputation to protect.

Na to enter Canada or a sane, stable African country sure pass. I don even start the process.

I understand you brother. I have thought about that too. I considered Ghana and Kenya, but the way they treat Nigerians in those countries isn't encouraging. Which African countries do you think accommodate law-abiding Nigerians?

Grupo:
I work legitimately from home as a freelancer, does that make me a yahoo boy?

Las las, na to leave this country sure pass.

Going nowhere. We will keep enlightening them until they get to understand that we are in digital age.

Freelancing and forex trading saved an introvert, who's on the verge of committing suicide.

chrischukszy01:
When u kept on hearing I work from home! What do expect?

Are you saying that it's not possible to legitimately work from home?

Or do you mean it's a crime to work from home?

itu404:
Investigate them before taking further action is the way to go . His words does not make sense given the high rate of cybercrime in the country. how the hell does he wants police to catch them? let him give suggestion instead of currying favor with the fraudsters.

I wish you get harassed one day so that you get to know that there's a difference between having a digital gadget and being a criminal.


We're in a digital world, and there's no way to work efficiently in this day and age without a digital gadget.

Our law enforcement agencies should grow up and stop criminalizing digital gadgets. Get a tech to monitor what goes out there. They should have surveillance techniques to monitor communications — emails, phone calls, etc — investigate suspicious dealings. Harassing everyone with a digital gadget is evil that must never be condoned.

The best thing I have read from a minister this year.

We're in a digital world, and there's no way to work efficiently in this day and age without a digital gadget.

Our law enforcement agencies should grow up. Get a tech to monitor what goes out there. They should have surveillance techniques to monitor communications — emails, phone calls, etc — investigate suspicious dealings. Harassing everyone with a digital gadget is evil that must never be condoned.

Good one. Help them with intelligence gathering so that they can stop criminalizing laptops and seek the real criminals.

IronFX:
YES

If you're certain and have evidence of their criminal activities, why not write EFCC — you will actually be doing the country a lot of good. But if your mindset is that everyone working with a laptop is an internet fraudsters in this 21st century, you need to catch up with the rest of the world. The rest of the world is in a digital age, and you're still in the analogue age. There are many different legit jobs and businesses you can do online from the comfort of your home. Do your research, you may improve your earnings and live better than you're doing now.
Not looking for wahala. Only stating the truth — Working from home with a laptop is not a criminal offence!
Cheers!

GavelSlam:
Someone would soon tell us these guys are IT specialists.

Please what was their offense from that write up above?