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superior1: Do you have problems with your remains hanging on a chain outside a chapel like you have in the Chapel of Bones?

The Chapel of bones (Capela dos Ossos)

The Capela dos Ossos was built in the 16th century by a Franciscan monk who, in the Counter-Reformation spirit of that era, wanted to prod his fellow brothers into contemplation and transmit the message of life being transitory. This is clearly shown in the famous warning at the entrance Nós ossos que aqui estamos pelos vossos esperamos (“We, the bones that are here, await yours)".

Continue in your ridicules, you will still stand with that monk and each present souls won for Christ.
*Leaving the thread*.

daontop: And raises the lowly...
He feed the starving with good things...

And sends the rich away empty


He protects Israel His servant...

Double27: on those who fear him

He puts forth his arm in strength

and scatters the proud hearted


He casts the mighty from their thrones

Maria-Goretti:
The Lord has done wonders for me...

Holy is His name...

His mercy is from age to age...

Double27: Fair as the moon, bright as the sun, terrible as an army set in battle array?

My soul glorifies the lord,

My spirit rejoices in God my Saviour

For He has looked upon His servant in her lowliness

italo: Jesus and Syncan are in love.

Lol

My day has just been made...even before it started. God bless you bro.

Maria-Goretti:
lol, so everything must be stated in the bible.....thats really really cool.
Ejoo, who is a legionaire here o?

Double27: Nne am a legionary o. Ave . . .

Who is she that cometh forth as the morning rising

italo: How was Jesus the Son of God and yet the Son of Mary and Joseph?

How are we Children of God and yet Children of our parents?

How can we be bestfriends with Jesus and yet have bestfriends on earth?

How can Jesus and i be in love when Jesus and Syncan are in love?

How can a so-called Christian ask such a question?

*@Superior, if you do reply me, try not to bring lies into this as you normally do. I know it would be difficult but please try. Thank you*

You can write the bold again, 'tis pleasing to my sight.

Double27: audio bro

Something good can come out of YouTube.

O purest of creatures! sweet Mother, sweet Maid;
The one spotless womb wherein Jesus was laid.
Dark night hath come down on us, Mother, and we
Look out for thy shining, sweet Star of the Sea.

2 Deep night hath come down on this rough-spoken world.
And the banners of darkness are boldly unfurled;
And the tempest-tossed Church—all her eyes are on thee.
They look to thy shining, sweet Star of the Sea.

3 He gazed on thy soul, it was spotless and fair;
For the empire of sin, it had never been there;
None ever had owned thee, dear Mother, but He,
And He blessed thy clear shining, sweet Star of the Sea.

4 Earth gave Him one lodging; ’twas deep in thy bre*st,
And God found a home where the sinner finds rest;
His home and His hiding-place, both were in thee;
He was won by thy shining, sweet Star of the Sea.

5 Oh, blissful and calm was the wonderful rest
That thou gavest thy God in thy virginal bre*st;
For the heaven He left He found heaven in thee,
And He shone in thy shining, sweet Star of the Sea.

Frederick William Faber, 1814–63

God bless you F.W Faber. Ave! Mariae!

superior1: Virgin birth and Perpetual Virginity (what is the difference, where are they in the gospel?)

No, the question wasn't answered, I just wanted to be sure it is on the premise of those words you arrived on the virginity of mary after she gave birth to Jesus (because this was not stated in the passage)

There is a difference but,I will stop my enlightenment of you on this. Experience with you in this thread has taught me better than to waste my time.

superior1: Facts
1. Enoch wasn't the author of the book of Enoch
2. Jude mentioned Enoch prophesy is his letter but Enoch didn't write book of Enoch (so how can his mention of Enoch be automatically be the book of Enoch when Enoch didn't write the book )
3. According to the wikipedia you posted, the book as been re-arranged and re-visited.

While they both share a good similarities, there are some differences to point to. The book of Enoch is a fraud and its claims to Enoch as the author has been established to be lies, we can't conclude Jude was quoting from it (Because even the largest population of Jews do not accept this book neither Christians).

Sorry dear, I won't bother next time. All you need to do is go back and see what my claim has always been.

superior1: Syncan, I earnestly pray you to always be honest, I asked you two questions ' who is the author of the book' and also asked you to post the two alleged quoting so we can see if they are exactly the same. You have not got back on that.

It was also written that part of the book was ESTIMATEDLY around 1BC and the writers are different but you still believe what you wanted. Please bro, be honest !!(like you will say if it were me)

1. I never claimed to know the author of the book of Enoch, why ask me?

Though I am not obliged to this, I will however indulge you.

1Enoch1:9 "And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones
To execute judgement upon all,
And to destroy all the ungodly:
And to convict all flesh
Of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed,
And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him".

Jude1:14 "And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,(1:15) To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.




2. We both posted this at different times :

"The older sections (mainly in the Book of the Watchers) are estimated to date from about 300 BC, and the latest part (Book of Parables) probably was composed at the end of the 1st century BC".

Why do you leave off the 300BC when we are talking of first Enoch? doesn't show transparency on your part bro. I believe that Jude quoted something written before him, how have you contradicted that?

superior1: Ok, sorry if that offends you, i simply equate both to be same (It takes her to be a virgin after Jesus birth for her to remain virgin for life).

Thank you. They are different,one is the virgin birth, the other is Perpetual Virginity.

superior1: 28 The angel went to her and said, “Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you.”

29 Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be. 30 But the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary; you have found favor with God. 31 You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.”

So, the bolded is it?

Do not ask questions when you don't need to, please, you complained about playing around earlier.

Ubenedictus: syncan already gave you the passage that clearly says the christian isn't to hold to d epistles alone but also to the unwritten word yet you continue to contradict the word of God with your "bible alone" stand.

Dear one,Its just tiresome explaining to someone who will never accept that 1 comes before 2 in numeric order. Even when it does not concern core faith issues like "the book of Enoch existed before Jude". When we make up our mind that a certain belief is wrong, why do we bother asking for explanation, if we will not be truthful in receiving it? I just wonder.

superior1: This is what i found as the angel's interaction with Mary (Luke Gospel), can you point to your claims there and where it is said of Mary she will remain a virgin for life


28 The angel went to her and said, “Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you.”

29 Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be. 30 But the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary; you have found favor with God. 31 You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.”

34 “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?”

35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called[b] the Son of God. 36 Even Elizabeth your relative is going to have a child in her old age, and she who was said to be unable to conceive is in her sixth month. 37 For no word from God will ever fail.”

38 “I am the Lord’s servant,” Mary answered. “May your word to me be fulfilled.” Then the angel left her.

Please highlight where the angel talked about conception,there(like i told you earlier) you will find the Birth. Meanwhile I earnestly enjoin you to always be honest,the question you asked(which i came in to answer) was how she gave birth to Jesus and still retained her virginity. It is quite different from being a virgin for life as you now wrote.

superior1: The Bible recorded His conception as through the Holy Spirit but didn't mention same of His delivery neither did it mention of Mary becoming a virgin after His birth.

My friend,I think you need to read Luke again,the angel's exposition covered both conception and birth.

superior1: Certainly not Maria, was the delivery of Jesus miraculous? as in Jesus didn't came out from (...where you know) of His mother? like you and I

His "delivery" was like His Conception. You can figure that out.Thanks

Double27: Pls, can someone help me with songs on our mother mary or a link where I can download the songs.
Haters go hug xformer.

You mean lyrics or audio?

Syncan: Please tell me among all these churches mentioned, which one does not have devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary even at the time you mentioned.

Please,You may need to study a little before replying, and lets be honest, the truth shall set us free.

I believe I said this sometime ago, no response from you superior1. More so, why will I continue this discuss when its now obvious you cannot own up to being wrong even on something so clear as Enoch book is older than Jude. I think I've said enough, when you're ready I will know.

superior1: If Enoch isn't the author, how can Jude be quoting him?

Did the book of Enoch exist before Jude? Ans = Yes 300BC atleast for the first part

Did Jude quote Enoch? Ans = Yes Jude1:14

Which part of Enoch did Jude quote? Ans = 1Enoch1:9

Sal C: Are you guys discussing the authorship of The book of Enoch and the year it was written, or are you guys trying to show us who quote who between Jude and Enoch?.

Thanks, I was about getting convinced that I missed something. Now he's calling me being sarcastic for pointing out the truth.

superior1: You cant be a judge in your own case, i have showed you that book is a fraud and not what is claimed to be. Is the bolded an attempt at being sarcastic?

You call a book Jude used in preaching a fraud, claiming it was written after Jude. I showed you it was written before Jude, you have not proved me wrong, as a matter of fact your post supported me. Yet you cannot own up that you were wrong earlier, what do you call that? I am in no way sarcastic, I am speaking frankly.

superior1: I just showed you the author of that book wasn't Enoch. Compare when Enoch lived and the period this book came to existence (It is no calculus). The following are from the link you posted

Most scholars share the view[5] that these five sections were originally independent works (with different dates of composition), themselves a product of much editorial arrangement, and were only later redacted into what we now call 1 Enoch.

The older sections (mainly in the Book of the Watchers) are estimated to date from about 300 BC, and the latest part (Book of Parables) probably was composed at the end of the 1st century BC.[2]

Jesus was born in 6 BC, Enoch was alive then?

Superior1, I said:

Syncan: Because the book of Enoch is dated 300BC, and you said it was written after Jude about 50AD. Are those who canonized the books in the bible about 400AD not often referred to as early church fathers?

And you said:

superior1: Because Enoch existed around that time?. So, if I write a book and call it the book of hitler it means the book was written during the lifetime of hitler?. What is the date of the earliest copy of the book of enoch?. I told you the reason that book was never accepted was because it was believed by early Christians to be fraud by an author who wrote it and mentioned Jude 1:14 in it to give it credibility and make it appeared Jude was quoting from it, whereas the opposite was true.

Who is Correct now from your latest quote above,You need to be honest Superior1

superior1: Obviously you didnt even remember the deal i am talking of, you didnt only failed to answer the question but was urging me to keep repeating the question, i then said i will only respond to your question (since someone has already answered mine) if you sign a deal that you will answer my questions in the future without playing around. You get it now? so do we have a deal?

Superior1, I will enlighten you as best as I can on your question. You however will agree to be honest unlike what I've seen so far.

superior1: 200 BC was far short of the time Enoch existed, Enoch existed more than 1000 BC, so how can the book be traced to 200 BC when the author lived millennium years behind the time. The capture of Israel by Babylonia was documented around 600 BC before this time are the Judges, Moses, Jacob, Abraham etc to the time of the flood
(which was the time Enoch lived, that should be maybe 2000 BC), so the book cant be written by Enoch

You see my problem with you? Are we now determining who wrote Enoch. What I said is that Jude quoted Enoch in his teachings, you said no, that Enoch was written after Jude. You promised to show it here, how come you are now talking BC now? You owe me thanks my friend, be truthful. If we don't speak truthfully, then we will not make progress.

Amen. Transformation, transfiguration, renew, rebirth....New is good in the lord.

"Renew me, renew me, father renew me, O lord
When thou shall come from above
o my father, renew me".

When in the Eucharist I come in contact with you,new every morning be my love. Amen.

superior1: You saw what you chose to see and you just started seeing this when chukwudi came up. Give me some time (a little busy) and I will get back to u on this and the other on Mary.

You can however sign the deal I propose earlier to get response on why bible, ok?

I discuss on what is brought up. I do not just bring up issues when the one on ground has not been trashed. The issue of Enoch came up here on this thread and I commented on it. You don't have to be apprehensive, this is not a debate of who wins; but a discuss of facts, where truth is laid out on the table for all to see and meditate on. That's why it pains me when you see what Paul said in 2Thess2:15 and still say "If Paul said...". Or when you see the bible say All scripture is profitable... and you make it look like "Only scripture should...".

Note that I have even called on everyone else to help out on the search for your claim on Enoch date.

You said I should show you something from the bible, I asked you to prove to me why you believed in the bible as the only God's authentic word. Don't you see that it is only when we agree on this that I will now have the obligation of showing you what you desire?

superior1: Na Syncan, there is nothing to thank you for, go back and read that article properly, If i were not on my phone, I would have posted portions of that article that supported what I said earlier (will do that later).

If you present a photocopy of a book which spoke about the times in the past, whereas your story can be said to be from the past but do that photocopied paper itself indicate the time the original was written?

There was no original copy of that book and it's authenticity couldn't be verified, the book itself contains stories of different era, it was believed to be fraud and it wasn't the only book accepted so by the majority of the church.

Now syncan, what became of our discussion on the bible being the word of God?

Dear friend, this is what i saw further on: "According to this scholar, who studied the original scrolls for many years, the oldest fragments of the Book of Watchers are dated 200–150 BC" I do not know where you get your info, please let anyone who could access this link verify what superior1 has claimed please. He owes me a thank you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Book_of_Enoch&action=edit&section=14

I am still waiting for you to tell me why you hold the bible as authentic word of God and others not.

superior1: I believe what we now refer to as the Bible are scriptures that was inspired by God. The early Christians accept so and that include the Orthodox church, asia manor church, the syrian church, the eastern church, the church at rome etc.

Please tell me among all these churches mentioned, which one does not have devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary even at the time you mentioned.

Please,You may need to study a little before replying, and lets be honest, the truth shall set us free.

superior1: Because Enoch existed around that time?. So, if I write a book and call it the book of hitler it means the book was written during the lifetime of hitler?. What is the date of the earliest copy of the book of enoch?. I told you the reason that book was never accepted was because it was believed by early Christians to be fraud by an author who wrote it and mentioned Jude 1:14 in it to give it credibility and make it appeared Jude was quoting from it, whereas the opposite was true.

Be careful where you get your info.

"The older sections (mainly in the Book of the Watchers) are estimated to date from about 300 BC, and the latest part (Book of Parables) probably was composed at the end of the 1st century BC".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Enoch

The book of Enoch was written centuries before Christ was born, and Jude quoted it, not the other way round. You may thank me later for this.

superior1: Did you see that in anything i said?

Because the book of Enoch is dated 300BC, and you said it was written after Jude about 50AD. Are those who canonized the books in the bible about 400AD not often referred to as early church fathers?