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Bidam: This thread don turn to catholics and protestant bashing thread.Hehehehe.

The name protestant should be scraped off,who are we protesting against?

bizmahn: Besides your hazardly pasted article has no source.

Divepen: Syncan
i need scriptures from the new testament
and those Ezekiel verses were talkin about ladies

as for the genesis part the bible did not say the man was putting it on

amara.lizzy%40y:
Wearin earing by guys is a sin, hw cn u ask dat question when earing is condem 4 women and u are nw askin if it's a sin 4 guys. My dear bible condem jeweries in jeremaih 4v30.

modupe01: If you claim to be part of the world that is reacting negatively to the truth why are you now complaining?

modupe01: Can you refer me to where I saw you as the world?

modupe01: The reaction of the world doesn't decide the truth for me. Church tradition, people's experience, self righteousness or impose righteousness doesn't take us to heaven, faith in the atoning blood of the Lamb does.

modupe01: The reaction of the world doesn't decide the truth for me. Church tradition, people's experience, self righteousness or imposed righteousness doesn't take us to heaven, faith in the atoning blood of the Lamb does.

modupe01: Church tradition may have a particular style of music they play but this is not an essential doctrine of Christ that will take us to heaven. If you dress in a seductive way to please the world why would you then think that you are pleasing God?

Guitarlife: ...We are christians and its honourable if we own up about not being able to justify an action or decision. Infact it appears more commendable because people find it hard to be honest these days.....

modupe01: Will what you listed there above qualify as worldliness or not?

"Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God" - James 4:4

As for the reasons why her Dad got suspended you may consult the church authorities for answers. Worldliness is not one of the "non essential" things the OP is talking about.

modupe01: What were the "Non essential" things he was axed for?

babestell: So I just returned from a long retreat organised by Opus Dei in one of their centers and the topic of mortification was discussed at almost all the meditation sessions. Mortification is one of the tools by which a christian may achieve sanctity/holiness. Remembering that our Lord enjoined us to be holy as our heavenly Father is holy. Other tools are constant prayer, dedication in our everyday activities, etc.

Saints are said to be people who did ordinary things in an extraordinary way. We too can aspire to be saints and thats where mortification comes in. St Jose Maria Escriva founder of Opus Dei wrote "don't say that person gets on my nerve rather say that person sanctifies (mortifies) me" we all know people who annoy us or get on our nerves or make us want to scream, as a mortification we can decide to be patient with such people, to be kind to them or to even have a conversation with them ( as long as it is not an occasion of sin). In our hearts we don't want to but because of love of GOD and a desire to become closer to him we do it and we offer it up as a prayer intention. As we continue in such practices after a while it may become 2nd nature and u find yourself doing it with ease. This is just an example. Another example might be to decide to do our jobs or normal daily tasks with more passion/love than we ordinarily do offering the extra effort as a prayer to Our Father in heaven.

St Jose also said "choose mortifications that don't mortify others" a mortification is a personal decision/action and we shouldn't make others suffer because we choose too. (I think parents should be exempt cos they have to train the kids.....just me talking sha). Now The Church teaches that not all suffering is bad, sometimes we need to suffer for the sake of a greater reward eg a student spending more time reading in order to pass an exam, and thats how we should view mortification, suffering this earthly body a little so that the spiritual being is more united with God, because it is usually in the midst of pain that we find it easier to put all trust in GOD.

Mortification must be done with LOVE: Love of God and of our neighbour if not we would just be like the pharisees who follow letter if the law without living the spirit of the law. It is good to attach a prayer intention as well.

I hope I made sense sha. Anyone have anything else to add

Bidam: Lol,you are bringing somebody private life issues into the mix..this shows he is only human.Why not discuss issues from a biblical standpoint.

Loskee: i apologize if i sounded sarcastic in any way, but honestly u sound like the pope. was this a latin article translated to english? sounds really formal like u r quoting some constitution. i am asking for your views, and not that of the pope.

modupe01: The message was "given" in NY 4 years ago. He preached something along that line in 2006 in the UK.

Loskee: and so, dear Syncan, highly knowledgeable in the 'theology' aspects of abortion, pray tell ur views and ur truths on abortion and the use of contraceptives as unsentimentally and as reasonably as possible. i love knowledge, and i stand for what is true, fair and just. thankyou.

Loskee: i am a Christian, and i am not a roman-catholic. i am also a doctor. and i would like to share my views on the subject being discussed, albeit without the religious undertone, to keep from sentimental comments.
first off, i acknowledge that life begins at conception. i do not subscribe to termination of life. thus i may be termed 'pro-life'. however, as a medical practitioner, i have to use discretion in explaining what i mean by being pro-life.
take the instance of a girl raiped by as many armed robbers u may want to assume she was raiped by. if she presents to me within that time and up to 72 hours later, there is all i can do to ensure she is safe and free from infection and unwanted pregnancy from the unfortunate act. apart from giving her the emergency examination of her body and private parts and treating for infection, i will go ahead to do an ultrasound scan to ensure there is no immediate sign of growing fetus (which of course is virtually impossible within this time frame). and i would give her the 'morning-after' contraceptive pill as well as the anti-hiv drug regimen. if she comes later but an ultrasound scan still shows nothing present, i will still give the same treatment. but my pro-life begins when i can visibly see even the tinyest littlest detail of life in her womb. apart from treating for infection and giving anti-hiv, all i can offer is counselling.
then other scenarios where the continued existence of the pregnancy is already threatening the life of the mother. u may want to google MOLAR PREGNANCY for instance. in such a case i wont hesitate to operate the woman and take out that bloodsucking mass from her womb, whether or not a fetus is there. and if the life of the fetus is affected as a result, at least the procedure saves the mother who, in a later time, will be able to conceive again all things being equal.

all i have said indicates i support the use of contraceptive methods to prevent fertilization/conception in the first place, which is the furthest i can go. but u see, the catholics wont even hear that u used a condom or morning after pill to prevent unwanted pregnancy, only the highly unreliable Billing's method, claiming u shouldnt alter the natural course that God Himself designed. they say se.x is for procreation, but does that mean u cant have se.xual pleasure until u r ready for another kid? if it is so, then u shouldnt even use Billing's method, because it means u r trying to enjoy se.x outside of its 'intended purpose'.

take home summary:
-i am pro-life up to the limit of established growing pregnancy.
-i am FOR the use of all forms of contraceptives to PREVENT (NOT TO TERMINATE) unwanted pregnancy.
-i would take into consideration how much it threatens her life, in order to save her. note though, that my considerations will not cover emotional or psychological or other sentimental condition. counselling can take her thru those ones.

GRACIAS MES AMIS!

modupe01: Some of the non-essential things that is not worth splitting our hairs over are:

Whether we should stand up or sit down while preaching;

Whether we are to wear tie or not while ministering;

To wear hat or tie scarf in ministering;

The style of music we play;

To wear shoes or not;

To wear gowns or not in the choir;

For those in the pulpit to stand while those in the pew sits or vice versa;

Days of fellowship on week days or weekends; etc

You can add more examples.

Noneroone: The essence of doctrine is to make christians comform to certain moral and spiritual standards necessary for their salvation. Likewise, the catholic church condemn abortion because they believe it constitute the act of shedding blood. If the church succeeds in condeming the act why the faithfuls do otherwise, is the essence of the doctrine not defeated? Will the young girls who die during abortion be saved by the mere fact that catholic doctrine rejects abortion? What i am saying is that the catholic church end in rejecting the act in principle while keeping some teachings (such as purgatory and penance ) which are antithetical to this doctrine. If a girl who commits an obortion knows she can still pray 14 hell marys and be forgiven or still go to heaven after spending some time in the purgatory, where is the deterrance? The catholic church rejects the act in doctrine while living the faithfuls to their 'freewill' or even encouraging them indirectly. I hope i have explained what i mean by saying " they pretend a lot"

Adek15: its not meant for only xtians mate. It will interest u 2 know that islam (shariah law) supports termination of d foetus if it is confirmed by a trusted medical xpert that it will endanger d life of d mother. I think d problem with xtians on it is because d bible does not say anything on abortion, so every church's stand on this issue is based on d founders or elders opinion just like d issue of marrying more than 1 wife. B4 u comment on this, read and understand very well. It's a serious issue brotherz & sisters.

mbekwu: underestimate Tony Nwoye at your own risk,,,, those who dont know that guy should start asking people who know what he is capable of doing... if PDP stands by their word then the other parties will need a miracle to beat tony nwoye...

Pygru: Anyhow you look am, Abortion na murder.
And you will also be thwarting God's plan.
Genesis Chapter 25
20 And Isaac was forty years old when he took Rebekah to wife, the daughter of Bethuel the Syrian of Padanaram, the sister to Laban the Syrian.
21 And Isaac intreated the LORD for his wife, because she [was] barren: and the LORD was intreated of him, and Rebekah his wife conceived.
22 And the children struggled together within her; and she said, If [it be] so, why [am] I thus? And she went to enquire of the LORD.
23 And the LORD said unto her, Two nations [are] in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and [the one] people shall be stronger than [the other] people; and the elder shall serve the younger.

^You seeeee. She never born and bible don already call am children!!
Luke 1:44
King James Bible
For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.

Double27: Tx for making me smile, God bless you.

italo: @ Syncan, brilliant.

Ubenedictus: what do catholics understand by the passage 'there is one mediator between God and man'?
I wish that the passage be discussed before d end of this thread.

italo: As for me, I went to evening mass. The priest mainly talked about how we must realize that pain and suffering is part of our existence. If we are to be disciples, we must take up our cross and follow Jesus daily...and the cross is an instrument of pain and shame.

But tell that to "it is not my portion" people and they will start riot.

"Cha cha cha...ba ba ba...singamasinga"

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Sal C: Good morning my brothers and sisters in Christ.
2cor13v13 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.

Have a fulfilled day ahead.

Maria-Goretti:
My reflections this morning was based on Monastic life..
"You must learn to renounce your own will in many things,if you wish to keep peace and concord with others....."''
Imitations of Christ


may our Lord Jesus Christ helps us to practice interior mortification and humility. amen

free2ryhme: You Catholics truly need to study your scriptures as Jesus commaned!

frosbel: The assumption of Mary is an event that never happened.

superior1: What is the relevance of all this to my post?