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ahmedio2017:
What happened to it na?
You don't understand what you are quoting oga I told you Bible comprises of both injeel and Torah and Paul lies so therefore there are some verses we can never believed like god rested we won't take that, like god regretted we can never take that and the likes.....

1. Your gross willful ignorance never cease to amaze me

It is a shame you do not know that the word "Bible" means BOOK!

As much as you hate Paul, here is what your religious book say

Tafsir Qur'an 5.14 Maududi - Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi - Tafhim al-Qur'an
.... On the one side St. Paul, a follower of the Prophet Jesus, put an end to the observance of the law and declared that the only thing needed for salvation was belief in Messiah. On the other side, the Jewish rabbis cut off the followers of Christ by declaring theta to be a misguided sect. But in spite of this separateness, at first the sect bore no distinctive name. The followers of Christ called themselves by different names, such as disciples, brethren, believers, saints etc......


Tafsir Qur'an 36.13-17 Kathir - Ibn Al Kathir
(so We reinforced them with a third,) means, `We supported and strengthened them with a third Messenger. ' Ibn Jurayj narrated from Wahb bin Sulayman, from Shu`ayb Al-Jaba'i, "The names of the first two Messengers were Sham`un and Yuhanna, and the name of the third was Bulus (Paul) , and the city was Antioch (Antakiyah).

Oh, these above is another Lie from Muslim scholars Abi?

2. It still means that the writer of the verse below is either a LIAR or very IGNORANT and of course, you are more knowledgeable than him.

Qur'an 29:46
Do not argue with the people of the Book unless in a fair way, apart from those who act wrongly, and say to them: "We believe what has been sent down to us, and we believe what has been sent down to you. Our God and your God is one, and to Him we submit."


Do you agree that this verse is a Fabrication

3. It was Moses in the Torah that said God took a SABBATH after creation and not Paul.
So, Allah must have told another Lie or displayed his usual Ignorance of not knowing this: or is it the overzealous you shamelessly spewing fabrications and falsehood to sound like he has a semblance of brain in his head.

Why don't you just quote Paul when he said God RESTED except you are a fabricator like Hafs one of the key narrators of your Qur'an?



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Sorry!
Just to help you not to forget
1. If Allah comes down every third part of the night to hear: he doesn't know Geography of the earth as he thinks that the earth is FLAT.

Why do you think Allah thinks that the earth is flat?

2. If it is TRUE that Allah comes down every third part of the night to hear you Muslims pray: he must be trapped on the earth as he cannot leave.

Who is the one sitting on the Throne of Allah above the waters high up the seventh heaven: is it empty?

3. If it is TRUE that Allah comes down every third part of the night to hear you Muslims pray AND Allah is too big to enter his creation : please explain how Allah managed to COME DOWN into the first heaven.?

ahmedio2017:
Stop this ur rub.bish, I have corrected you several times... Don't compare Allah with your god, Allah is more powerful than your god, don't you get?

Your god can make a mistakes, Allah cannot make a mistakes

Your god regretted and RESTED Allah does not sleep and slumber.....

Your own god is not powerful.

If you are correct, it Means that the one who said this verse of the Qur'an is a confirmed Fraud and Liar!

Qur'an 29:46
Do not argue with the people of the Book unless in a fair way, apart from those who act wrongly, and say to them: "We believe what has been sent down to us, and we believe what has been sent down to you. Our God and your God is one, and to Him we submit."

Do you agree with Allah or disagree with this statement?
Is this verse Maudu?

Please respond truthfully!

Instead of addressing the problem, they would want to change the subject of discussion to something else as a distraction.

Taoheed is flawed as it makes God as limited as any man!

The Flaws In The Taoheed (doctrine Of Oneness Of Allah) Destroys Allah As God


The fundamental doctrine of Islam is the Taoheed meaning: The Oneness of Allah.

Unfortunately, inasmuch as Muslims would like to grandrously magnify Allah and make him the same as the God of the people of the Book, they unfortunately limit him unknowingly.
As a rule, Islam ALWAYS BREAK down with scrutiny. And this is why Muslims hardly ask questions.

You will all see that a little examination of Islamic doctrine expose the weakness of the Taoheed. Taoheed makes Allah a limited God because of these claims of Islam below.

Claims of Islam :
1. Allah is on his throne upon the waters above the seven heavens.

2. Allah descend everyday to the lowest heaven at the third part of the night to listen to the supplications of the Muslims
3. Muslims will SEE Allah with their eyes on the Day of judgement

4. Allah will appear to the Muslims and will change his shape to. another form on the Day of resurrection to a form unknown to the Muslims (Muslims will be in disbelief until until they see the shin of Allah)

5. Allah cannot enter into his creation because he is too big for that

If ALL these are true, then
1. If Allah is above the seven heavens (which is also all above the earth), Allah cannot be omnipresent.
It is logically impossible for Allah to be above the heavens and below it at the same time.

2. If Allah descend to the lowest heaven everyday at the third part of the night to listen to the supplications of the Muslims, then Allah cannot be omniscient.
It is either that Allah is not knowledgeable that the earth is not flat but spherical (thus Allah is trapped forever on the earth) and it is thus impossible for Allah to be on his throne above the heavens at the same time

3. If Muslims will see Allah with their eyes on the Day of judgement, it means that Allah is finite both in scope and size. Moreover, Allah is NOT a spirit according to Islamic scholars, thus Allah is a physical being.

4. If Allah changes his shape to the Muslims, then this proves that the shape of Allah is created. If not, can any Muslim tell us what happened to the original shape of Allah when he appeared to you in a different shape. Obviously, the first shape not the second shape of Allah are not eternal. There is no Islamic doctrine that Allah is shapeless

5. If Allah is too big to enter his creation, how come he managed to pass through the layers of heaven to the lowest heavens in order to listen to the supplications of the Muslims at the third part of the night?
6. Of course, there is no dispute that Allah is One but then, What is the difference between the Oneness of Allah and the Oneness of Iblis (satan)? If there is no difference apart from difference in assigned attributes, then there is NOTHING special about the Taoheed of Allah.


Of course, except if ALL these claims of Muslims about Allah is FABRICATED as usual

Questions;
1. Can Allah be Above the seven heavens and be below it at the same time?
2. If it is true that Allah descends every third part of the night to the lowest heavens, doe it not mean that Allah is perpetually on earth?
3. If Muslims will see Allah physically in paradise, does it not show that Allah is limited?
4. If it is true that Allah will change his shape when he appears to Muslims in paradise, what happens to Allah's first shape?
5. If Allah is too big to enter into his creation, how then does he descend from his throne to the lowest heaven?
6. What is special with Taoheed of Allah since we know that Iblis is also one and unique?


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ahmedio2017:
Before answering your questions further
You must acknowledge those verses of Bible and you must accept that YOUR god RESTED and REGRETTED. Afterwards we shall continue our conversations.....

EASY,
First acknowledge that

1. The one who said this verse is ignorant and foolish for saying that he is the same one that REGRETTED and RESTED
Qur'an 29:46
Do not argue with the people of the Book unless in a fair way, apart from those who act wrongly, and say to them: "We believe what has been sent down to us, and we believe what has been sent down to you. Our God and your God is one, and to Him we submit."

Is Allah prone to lying?


2. Then you publicly acknowledge that you are much more knowledgeable that the one who said that which Allah is not in Quran 29:46

3. Then you acknowledge the ignorance of the one who claimed he revealed the Torah to Moses and the Zabur from which this you speak about is written.

Thereafter, we shall continue our conversation!
Mr Coward!

ahmedio2017:
Stop this your usel.ess twisting, the word sabbath came up as a result of you guys god resting on the seventh day..... Stop telling lies rested is different from sabbath...

Sabbath a day of religious observance and abstinence from work, kept by Jewish people from Friday evening to Saturday evening, and by most Christians on Sunday.

During your sabath are you resting or worshiping? If sabath mean rest then you should be resting n not worshiping.... So sabath has no correlation with resting look for another lies

You god RESTED (relax) baba was very weak and tired so he needed to refresh.

You god make a mistakes in creating Man hence he REGRETTED wow what a wonderful god

You are worshiping weak and regret able god

As if your brain is being twisted by blacksmiths.

Sabbath is a Jewish Religious Holiday which is not even one day a week but any day or week or year designated as Sabbath!

ahmedio2017:
Praise be to Allah.

Your question covers two matters:

1 – The extent to which this hadeeth is saheeh.

This hadeeth is a saheeh hadeeth which is proven in the soundest two books after the Book of Allaah. It was narrated by al-Bukhaari in his Saheeh (1145) and by Muslim (1261) from Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him), that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The Lord descends every night to the lowest heaven when one-third of the night remains and says: ‘Who will call upon Me, that I may answer Him? Who will ask of Me, that I may give him? Who will seek My forgiveness, that I may forgive him?’”

This hadeeth was narrated from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) by approximately twenty-eight of the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) and the Ahl al-Sunnah are unanimously agreed that it is to be accepted.

2 – What is meant by the descent of Allaah – may He be exalted – to the lowest heaven:

It should be noted that the descent of the Lord – may He be exalted – to the lowest heaven is one of the actions that are attributed to Him and has to do with His will and wisdom. It is descending in a real sense, in a manner that befits His majesty and might. Allaah descends however He wills, whenever He wills. Glory be to Him, there is nothing like unto Him and He is the All-Hearing, All-Seeing. It is not permissible to distort the meaning of the hadeeth by saying that what is meant is that His command or mercy descends, or that one of His angels descends. This is false for several reasons:

It seems you agree with Mohammed's narrative that Allah descends every third part of the night to the lowest heaven to hear you Muslims pray. It was a yes or no question.

Unfortunately If this True, the implications are these
1. Allah must be permanently trapped on Earth because the earth is spherical. There is no time some people in the world will not be at the third part of the night

2. Allah doesn't know that the earth is not flat. If Allah doesn't know that the earth is spherical, how can he be God

3. Mohammed must have fabricated his knowledge of Allah as usual.

These cannot be faulted sir.

Except, it's a lie of Mohammed!

ahmedio2017:
(ii)The descent of His command and mercy is not restricted to this part of the night, rather His command and mercy descend all the time. If it is said that what is meant is a specific command or specific mercy which does not happen all the time, the answer to that is that if we assume that this interpretation is correct, then the hadeeth indicates that where the descent of this thing ends is in the lowest heaven, so what benefit can it be to us if mercy descend to the lowest heaven without reaching us? Why would the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) even tell us about it?

(iii)The hadeeth indicates that the One Who descends says: “Who will call upon Me, that I may answer Him? Who will ask of Me, that I may give him? Who will seek My forgiveness, that I may forgive him?” No one can say that except Allaah, may He be exalted.

(i)This misinterpretation goes against the apparent meaning of the hadeeth. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) attributed descent or the act of descending to Allaah, and the basic principle is that a thing is attributed to the one who does it, so if it is attributed to someone else, that is a distortion that goes against this basic principle. We know that the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is the most knowledgeable of all people about Allaah, and that he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is the most eloquent of mankind and the most truthful in what he says. There are no lies in his speech and it is impossible for him to attribute something to Allaah that is not one of His names or attributes or actions or rulings. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And if he (Muhammad) had forged a false saying concerning Us (Allaah),

45. We surely would have seized him by his right hand (or with power and might),

46. And then We certainly would have cut off his life artery (aorta)”

[al-Haaqqah 69:44-46]

Speaking of a self fulfilling prophecy

Interestingly,
It seems Mohammed forged the Qur'an and thus his iota was cut by Allah.

What better evidence than this: Is the Hadith below Maudu?

Sahih al-Bukhari 4428
Narrated `Aisha:
The Prophet (ﷺ) in his ailment in which he died, used to say, "O `Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison."

ahmedio2017:
Stop this your usel.ess twisting, the word sabbath came up as a result of you guys god resting on the seventh day..... Stop telling lies rested is different from sabbath...

Sabbath a day of religious observance and abstinence from work, kept by Jewish people from Friday evening to Saturday evening, and by most Christians on Sunday.

During your sabath are you resting or worshiping? If sabath mean rest then you should be resting n not worshiping.... So sabath has no correlation with resting look for another lies

You god RESTED (relax) baba was very weak and tired so he needed to refresh.

You god make a mistakes in creating Man hence he REGRETTED wow what a wonderful god

You are worshiping weak and regret able god

Shouting on top of your voice and making repetitive babblings does not change anything as I have explained the figure of peach used.


I asked you :

If Allah destined everything to be, why is he displeased in the actions of those he has predestined to act in a certain way

Quran2:205
"And when he goes away, he strives throughout the land to cause corruption therein and destroy crops and animals. And Allah does not like corruption."


How does Allah not like what he destined to be?

It is a simple question

ahmedio2017:
Stop this your usel.ess twisting, the word sabbath came up as a result of you guys god resting on the seventh day..... Stop telling lies rested is different from sabbath...

Sabbath a day of religious observance and abstinence from work, kept by Jewish people from Friday evening to Saturday evening, and by most Christians on Sunday.

During your sabath are you resting or worshiping? If sabath mean rest then you should be resting n not worshiping.... So sabath has no correlation with resting look for another lies

You god RESTED (relax) baba was very weak and tired so he needed to refresh.

You god make a mistakes in creating Man hence he REGRETTED wow what a wonderful god

You are worshiping weak and regret able god

I challenge you to prove me wrong that it is NOT Sabbath! QED!

Thank God this is information age. Find out the Hebrew word used as Rest and tell me it is not SABBATH!

Sabbath is a BREAK or HOLIDAY only humans rest on Sabbath day.

ahmedio2017:
What's the correlation here now oga ?
How does this your gibrish justify the weakness of your god?

Your god is quite different from Allah and Allah will never regret, sleep, rest, nor slumber. You have a weak god no wonder your IQ is weak. Your god regretted he gave you little br.ain.

The correlation is that the diety that says he is the God of the people of the Book is an imposter.

He doesn't k ow that the earth is spherical, yet he says he's the Creator of the Earth

He doesn't know how the baby is formed yet he says that he is the Creator

He tells fantastic stories that are lies (myths created by Humans) , yet he claims to be all knowing. Like Dhul qarnayn and Solomon who died for a year on his staff and no-one knew.

The greatest problem with Allah is that if Yahweh is not the True God, then Allah cannot be God because Allah claims to be Yahweh the God of the people of the Book.


I ask again:

Does Allah come down to the lowest heavens daily at the third part of the night to see which of you Muslims is praying?
It is a YES or NO Question!

ahmedio2017:
Maybe your god make a mistake he created you without full IQ because I have explained this already. You always behave like a robot....

Go and rest because you god is also resting in peace lolzzzzz

Yes or No!

Is it untrue that Allah comes down to the first heaven every third part of the night?

ahmedio2017:
Lolz Mr twister


Oya Mr sabath ok rest is synonymous to rest lolzzz


Dictionary
Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more
rest1
verb
1.
cease work or movement in order to relax, sleep, or recover strength.
"he needed to rest after the feverish activity"
Similar:
relax
take a rest
ease up/off
let up
slow down
pause
have/take a break
unbend
repose
laze
idle
loaf
do nothing
take time off
slack off
unwind
recharge one's batteries
be at leisure
take it easy
sit back
sit down
stand down
lounge
luxuriate
loll
slump
flop
put one's feet up
lie down
go to bed
have/take a nap
nap
catnap
doze
have/take a siesta
drowse
sleep
de-stress
take five
have/take a breather
veg out
snooze
snatch forty winks
get some shut-eye
kip
have a kip
get some kip
chill out
kick back
catch some Zs
slumber
2.
be placed or supported so as to stay in a specified position.
"her elbow was resting on the arm of the sofa"


You go explain tire, ur god RESTED and REGRETTED...

Thank God this is information age. Find out the Hebrew word used as Rest and tell me it is not SABBATH!

It seems that this Qur'an verse is MAUDU or you know better than Allah in knowledge.

notwithstanding

Qur'an 29:46
Do not argue with the people of the Book unless in a fair way, apart from those who act wrongly, and say to them: "We believe what has been sent down to us, and we believe what has been sent down to you. Our God and your God is one, and to Him we submit."

ahmedio2017:
Lolzzzz off point u go explain tire, all this is a mistake oga, your god is a king of mistakes he REGRETTED this already. He even regretted he created you bro what can u say about that.

Allah that cannot

You seem not to understand the use of Anthropomorphic language (describing God using human terms) as used in the Bible.
The regret of God describes His feeling of being emotionally pained because of His love for man.

God being omniscient, knew the outcome but chose to express His feeling in a way that communicates the significance of human actions.



If you have a wayward son that you love, his actions will cause you emotional pain.

Of course you don't understand and you can't because Allah does NOT Love anyone.
Does he?



Let me ask you a question :
If Allah destined everything to be, why is he displeased in the actions of those he has predestined to act in a certain way

Quran2:205
"And when he goes away, he strives throughout the land to cause corruption therein and destroy crops and animals. And Allah does not like corruption."

How does Allah not like what he destined to be?

ahmedio2017:
You are the one that is blind here o
You even slowpoke have brain than you guys.
How can you be worshiping god that is full of regret? don't you know you will eventually regret too one day?


How can you be worshiping god that use to rest? You god is weak... And you are comparing your weak god with Allah are you o.k?

So, at least you can see how impossibly weak God Taoheed makes Allah.

No wonder, none of you Muslims can answer logically a single question

ahmedio2017:
6 The LORD regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. 7 So the LORD said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.”

Your God make mistakes that he created you

He REGRETTED


See another one

“I regret that I have made Saul king, for he has turned back from following me and has not performed my commandments.” And Samuel was angry, and he cried to the LORD all night.


Your god is not perfect because he can make mistakes. Allah has and can never make mistakes or regret so stop comparing your imperfect god to Allah. It is a shame to compare your god that is full of mistakes to Almighty Allah that's rub.bish pls don't ever try that again o.


Abi is my imam that said your god regret and rested? Why is ur god too weak na lolz mu.mu people with mu.mu god that is fool of regret lolzzzzzzzz

No wonder he said that the sun set in murky waters and there is a people near it.

No wonder Allah says the Jews and Christians should Worship Allah and the Messiah!

No wonder Allah doesn't know a hoot about reproduction : do women have reproductive fluid emanating from their rib bones!

Allah is a fabrication of Mohammed : no wonder, he didn't have any miracle or sign to give Mohammed!

ahmedio2017:
Lolz so you believe in oneness but in three ways see confusion ooooo


Your god create heaven and earth in 6days and RESTED in the seventh day lolz you guys like telling lies lolz.....

So your god is weak and rested

Your god also regretted Allah can never regret see your life outside....

Two times the Bible says that God regretted something he had done in the past (Genesis 6:6–7; 1 Samuel 15:11).


Bible is now imam that is telling me lies abi ?? I pity you. You will also regret one day as your god...

See how ignorant you are:
The Word Rested in English is SABBATH!
Which means Break or Holiday!


Moreover, Allah says
Qur'an 29:46
Do not argue with the people of the Book unless in a fair way, apart from those who act wrongly, and say to them: "We believe what has been sent down to us, and we believe what has been sent down to you. Our God and your God is one, and to Him we submit."

It seems you are more knowledgeable than Allah as he doesn't know that Yahweh is weak!

ahmedio2017:
You are the one that is blind here o
You even slowpoke have brain than you guys.
How can you be worshiping god that is full of regret? don't you know you will eventually regret too one day?


How can you be worshiping god that use to rest? You god is weak... And you are comparing your weak god with Allah are you o.k?

How come Allah is either trapped here on earth because the earth is spherical and not flat?

Or did Mohammed fabricate this lie about Allah?

Is it untrue that Allah comes down to the first heaven every third part of the night?

You still didn't answer me of what you believe about the teachings of Jesus

Do you believe Jesus calling God Father?
Do. you believe Jesus saying "bless those who curse you! "
Do you believe in the teaching of Jesus about being Born Again?
Do you believe thee teaching of Jesus on preaching the Gospel of salvation.
Do. you believe the teaching of Jesus on Receiving the Holy Spirit for empowerment?
Do you believe the teaching of Jesus that "He is the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE and no one comes to the Father except through Him?


Where did you even get the teachings of Jesus you claim you believed in?

ahmedio2017:
10 commandments, Jesus Christ PBUH said I have not come to abolished the laws but to amend it.


Jesus Christ PBUH said I have not come to fulfill my own will if not he that sent me......

Now, at least you have seen the stupidity of Taoheed as it limits God to just what an attribute of a creature like Humans and Iblis is.

Secondly, only people in Hell fire need the prayer of PHUH and Jesus is the Prince of Peace. He doesn't need your prayers.

Jesus came to complete or fulfil the Law of God. This is why He could modify and correct the Jews understanding of the law of Moses.

Jesus is sent as God the Messanger who Brings to manifestation the will of God and
It doesn't change the Trinity because the Word is always on Errand!

Let me borrow from your Islamic understanding :
The WORD of God is the Kufayakun that made everything : it seems you don't know!


Does the WORD of God does other than what He is sent to Do?

FxMasterz:
You're correct. Even a lunatic doesn't know he's a lunatic.

Most spiritual captives don't know they're in captivity.

We pray the Lord would give them Liberty in Jesus name.

This is the pitiful state in which the Muslims are!

Amen! Let the Blind begin to see in Jesus mighty name

ahmedio2017:
You guys are so confused, every Muslims believed in Jesus Christ PBUH and all prophets.
We believed in his teachings. It is actually Christianity that doesn't believe in Jesus rather they followed Paul unknowingly to them.....

Do you believe Jesus calling God Father?
Do. you believe Jesus saying "bless those who curse you! "
Do you believe in the teaching of Jesus about being Born Again?
Do you believe thee teaching of Jesus on preaching the Gospel of salvation.
Do. you believe the teaching of Jesus on Receiving the Holy Spirit for empowerment?
Do you believe the teaching of Jesus that "He is the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE and no one comes to the Father except through Him?


Where did you even get the teachings of Jesus you claim you believed in?

FxMasterz:
But how can people pursue Truth that brings freedom when they don't even know they're in bondage?

We earnestly need to pray for the convictions of the Holy Spirit for those that are deceived.

This is what happens when Satan, the prince of his world has enslaved them. It looks like insanity but only the afflicted will be oblivious of it.

It's just like these LGBTQ and Gender confused people. It makes sense only to themselves.

We shall pray for them as we educate them.
Jesus the Messiah is the WAY, the Truth and the Life: no one gets to heaven without Him

fergie001:
SOURCE

Putin always talk as of he is the only one with nuclear power!

It's just the bluff a desperate mad man!

FxMasterz:
That's a serious indictment on Allah but unfortunately, these people would still visit the next available mosque tomorrow to worship this false god.

Muslims have the Mantra :
Don't confuse me with the Truth because I have already made up my mind!

Unfortunately, only the truth that is accepted and adopted set people free!

ahmedio2017:
That's why I don't like engaging with you because you like twisting a lot, I have given appropriate answers to all your questions but you lack understanding as a result of you being brainwashed. Read the answers I proffer again for proper understanding.....

My questions were simple and straightforward. I even gave you the relevant hadiths to. make you understand them.
example :
Is it true that Allah descends every third part of the night to hear the supplications of the Muslims?

ahmedio2017:
There is only one iblis which is the devil, I told you he was created as one of the angels of God before he misbehave and turn to a devil.

Everyone (Muslim or Christian) know that Iblis was a created being of God.
And Iblis is ONE isn't it?

Or is there any other Iblis?

What makes the Oneness of Allah special knowing that Iblis is also one?

ahmedio2017:
As for the shape of God, it shows you don't understand English here bro, shape in this regard is the way and how God will treat each group of people during the day of judgement. I.e mercy and wrath of God..

Are you saying that Allah doesn't have a shape?

Qur'an 38:75
He said: O Iblis! What hindereth thee from falling prostrate before that which I have created with both My hands? Art thou too proud or art thou of the high exalted?

Does Allah not have two hands?

Sunan an-Nasa'i 5379
It was narrated from 'Abdullah bin 'Amr bin Al-'As that:
The Prophet [SAW] said: "Those who are just and fair will be with Allah, Most High, on thrones of light, at the right hand of the Most Merciful, those who are just in their rulings and in their dealings with their families and those of whom they are in charge." Muhammad (one of the narrators) said in his Hadith: "And both of His hands are right hands."
Sunan an-Nasa'i 5379 : Book 49, Hadith 1: Vol. 6, Book 49, Hadith 5381
Graduation: Sahih


Doesn't Allah have a physical shin?

Mr Ahmedio2017



The Questions again ;
1. Can Allah be Above the seven heavens and be below it at the same time?
2. If it is true that Allah descends every third part of the night to the lowest heavens, doe it not mean that Allah is perpetually on earth?
3. If Muslims will see Allah physically in paradise, does it not show that Allah is limited?
4. If it is true that Allah will change his shape when he appears to Muslims in paradise, what happens to Allah's first shape?
5. If Allah is too big to enter into his creation, how then does he descend from his throne to the lowest heaven?
6. What is special with Taoheed of Allah since we know that Iblis is also one and unique?

FxMasterz:
Lol. They're fast asleep. They'll answer the questions when they wake up. As for legalwolf, he is on a long journey. He'll answer you when he finally touches down.

They have fled.

It never dawned on them that their doctrine of Taoheed makes Allah a limited God!
He is either in heaven or on earth. And of course, Allah is not a spirit!

Disappointment is an understatement with respect to your response. You answered questions I never asked you

ahmedio2017:
1. Allah is an Arabic language which means God.

I didn't ask you about who or what Allah was.

Your prophet said that Allah is upon his throne on the waters above the seven heavens.

My Question was:
1. Can Allah be Above the seven heavens and be below it at the same time?

Isn't this a logical contradiction?

ahmedio2017:
2. Allah is in the heaven sitting on the throne of Al-harashi. He sees everything both in the heaven and earth. He knows everything both open and hidden. Allahu Akbar. He is the greatest.

I didn't ask you any question of what Allah sees nor if he is sitting on his throne in heaven nor his knowledge .

Your prophet said that Allah descends from his throne above the seven heavens to the first heaven every third part of the night. It seems Allah assumed that the earth is flat and not spherical.

If this is true and the earth is spherical, then Allah is perpetually trapped on the earth or the hadith is a lie.


My question was:
2. If it is true that Allah descends every third part of the night to the lowest heavens, doe it not mean that Allah is perpetually on earth?

ahmedio2017:
3. Muslims those who believed and do good will be be privileged to see the Almighty God on the day of judgement. Not everyone will have the opportunity to do that OKAY?

This was not my question.
Your prophet says that you Muslims will see Allah on the Day of judgement.

Doesn't this show that Allah is limited in size and in scope? If you can see Allah, it means Allah cannot be everywhere.

Thus my question was:
3. If Muslims will see Allah physically in paradise, does it not show that Allah is limited?

ahmedio2017:
4. Which one is Allah changing shape, no one has ever set his eyes on him b4 so no one can actually says this is how God is. So this is not a point.

Are you saying that the hadith below is Maudu!?

Sahih al-Bukhari 7439
Narrated Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri:
We said, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! Shall we see our Lord on the Day of Resurrection?" He said, "Do you have any difficulty in seeing the sun and the moon when the sky is clear?" We said, "No." He said, "So you will have no difficulty in seeing your Lord on that Day as you have no difficulty in seeing the sun and the moon (in a clear sky)." The Prophet then said, "Somebody will then announce, 'Let every nation follow what they used to worship.' So the companions of the cross will go with their cross, and the idolators (will go) with their idols, and the companions of every god (false deities) (will go) with their god, till there remain those who used to worship Allah, both the obedient ones and the mischievous ones, and some of the people of the Scripture. Then Hell will be presented to them as if it were a mirage. Then it will be said to the Jews, "What did you use to worship?' They will reply, 'We used to worship Ezra, the son of Allah.' It will be said to them, 'You are liars, for Allah has neither a wife nor a son. What do you want (now)?' They will reply, 'We want You to provide us with water.' Then it will be said to them 'Drink,' and they will fall down in Hell (instead). Then it will be said to the Christians, 'What did you use to worship?'

They will reply, 'We used to worship Messiah, the son of Allah.' It will be said, 'You are liars, for Allah has neither a wife nor a son. What: do you want (now)?' They will say, 'We want You to provide us with water.' It will be said to them, 'Drink,' and they will fall down in Hell (instead). When there remain only those who used to worship Allah (Alone), both the obedient ones and the mischievous ones, it will be said to them, 'What keeps you here when all the people have gone?' They will say, 'We parted with them (in the world) when we were in greater need of them than we are today, we heard the call of one proclaiming, 'Let every nation follow what they used to worship,' and now we are waiting for our Lord.' Then the Almighty will come to them in a shape other than the one which they saw the first time, and He will say, 'I am your Lord,' and they will say, 'You are not our Lord.' And none will speak: to Him then but the Prophets, and then it will be said to them, 'Do you know any sign by which you can recognize Him?' They will say. 'The Shin,' and so Allah will then uncover His Shin whereupon every believer will prostrate before Him and there will remain those who used to prostrate before Him just for showing off and for gaining good reputation. These people will try to prostrate but their backs will be rigid like one piece of a wood (and they will not be able to prostrate). Then the bridge will be laid across Hell." We, the companions of the Prophet (ﷺ) said, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! What is the bridge?'......

The hadith says that Allah will change his shape.

And my question thus was:

4. If it is true that Allah will change his shape when he appears to Muslims in paradise, what happens to Allah's first shape?

ahmedio2017:
5. Allah is the mighty one, he created heaven and the earth, he has the power to do all things that he wishes, he has the ability to do all things. He knows all things. So this is not a point too. He created heaven and the earth and all things inside that alone shows how powerful God is.

This wasn't my question as I did not ask you about the powers of Allah to do anything. At least I have shown you that Allah cannot be everywhere at the same time.
You Muslims claim that Allah CANNOT enter into his creation.


My Question was:
5. If Allah is too big to enter into his creation, how then does he descend from his throne to the lowest heaven?



Are you saying that Allah has the power to enter into his creation without losing his omnipresence?

ahmedio2017:
6. Tawhid is a fundamental concept in Islamic psychology that refers to the oneness of Allah and the belief that everything in the universe is connected to Allah (SWT). Tawhid is derived from the Arabic word “wahid” which means one.

Iblis is one of the angels of Allah, he was created by God, God commanded him to bow down for Adam which he refused and since then he has turned to Satan. Although God is all knowing, that's is one of the purpose of iblis in the first instance because God is all knowing.......

I did not ask you about the definition of Taoheed norbis Iblis is a creation of Allah.

My question is about the difference between the Taoheed of Allah and the Taoheed of Iblis.


My question was:
6. What is special with Taoheed of Allah since we know that Iblis is also one and unique?

How many Iblis exist?

ahmedio2017:
Are you now cleared? Allah is One and all prophet of God preaches the oneness of God. Allah is unique. He created Adam with his word kunfayekun meaning be and it shall be. Adam has no father neither does he have mother, he created Jesus Christ PBUH with his word. He created YOU with his word so Allah is great and he's the only one that is worthy of worshiping says Jesus Christ PBUH.....

That's why I said you Christians didn't believed in Jesus Christ PBUH. You need to believe in him and all other prophets so that you can be successful.

You avoided my questions to answer completely different questions sir.

I am asking you questions based on the contradictions between Islamic Doctrines and what God is supposed to be.

Sorry sir.
You answered completely irrelevant questions I never asked you

ahmedio2017:
You are not well.
You this man, you are not ready and willing to learn why then are you calling me out?

I learn best with both asking questions and answering questions.

I have called you out to answer to some inconsistencies in the teachings of Islam.
I gave you the basis, then I gave you verses of the Qur'an and some hadiths. Then I asked my questions.

ahmedio2017:
If you must engage with me, you must be ready to answer questions and not using questions to answer questions.

I am willing to answer ALL your questions whenever you ask. Have I ever left your questions without an answer from me!?

So, again

Questions;
1. Can Allah be Above the seven heavens and be below it at the same time?
2. If it is true that Allah descends every third part of the night to the lowest heavens, doe it not mean that Allah is perpetually on earth?
3. If Muslims will see Allah physically in paradise, does it not show that Allah is limited?
4. If it is true that Allah will change his shape when he appears to Muslims in paradise, what happens to Allah's first shape?
5. If Allah is too big to enter into his creation, how then does he descend from his throne to the lowest heaven?
6. What is special with Taoheed of Allah since we know that Iblis is also one and unique?
No!

Why are you Muslims like this?

You are given 5 questions to answer, but you set your own questions with different answers . Is this how you did in school?

Mr Expanse2020

1. At-taoheed mean Iklass
Oneness of Allah the omnipotent
This only what All the prophets of God always came down with
Worship your Lord he his one
Don't worship any other deity like Yahweh 3 in 1, Baal, and other taguts(idols)
Just like Moses, Jesus, Muhammad peace be unto them all...they called
O Isreal worship my lord and your lord is One
Oh world worship only your true God which is One
The old testament didn't preach Trinity
The first gospel about Jesus didn't preach Trinity but rather preach oness of ALLAH

ASKED YOUR FATHER IN THE LORD that did early gospel preach Trinity and find the shocking answers

So if you assume iblis is one then Moses and Jesus also campaign or taught people in the bible about the oneness of him

Wrong answers to questions as I did not ask you to define Taoheed.

I asked you questions based on truth and validity of the claims of Islam about Taoheed.

Questions;
1. Can Allah be Above the seven heavens and be below it at the same time?
2. If it is true that Allah descends every third part of the night to the lowest heavens, doe it not mean that Allah is perpetually on earth?
3. If Muslims will see Allah physically in paradise, does it not show that Allah is limited?
4. If it is true that Allah will change his shape when he appears to Muslims in paradise, what happens to Allah's first shape?
5. If Allah is too big to enter into his creation, how then does he descend from his throne to the lowest heaven?
6. What is special with Taoheed of Allah since we know that Iblis is also one and unique?



Mr Explore2xmore may be of help to you if you call him on time. You may also call any of Bliss52 Qasim6 truthday Almunjid hayzedibd and ahmedio2017 They have been feigning deaf and dumb too

Why don't you think and be set free from the trap of satan leading you to Hellfire

John 20:31:
"But these are written, that you might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you might have life (salvation) through his name."


Are you tongue tied?
See how the lies of Islam scattered all over the places. The Almighty Taoheed brought to its knees at the alter of truth.

Mr coward, what is the answer to any of the questions?


Mr Expanse2020

My questions are so simple

Questions;
1. Can Allah be Above the seven heavens and be below it at the same time?
2. If it is true that Allah descends every third part of the night to the lowest heavens, doe it not mean that Allah is perpetually on earth?
3. If Muslims will see Allah physically in paradise, does it not show that Allah is limited?
4. If it is true that Allah will change his shape when he appears to Muslims in paradise, what happens to Allah's first shape?
5. If Allah is too big to enter into his creation, how then does he descend from his throne to the lowest heaven?
6. What is special with Taoheed of Allah since we know that Iblis is also one and unique?



Don't be a coward sir!

Or at least accept the truth and be saved by the Messiah!

[quote author=Expanse2020 post=128698810][/quote]Mr coward, what is the answer to any of the questions?


Mr Expanse2020

My questions are so simple

Questions;
1. Can Allah be Above the seven heavens and be below it at the same time?
2. If it is true that Allah descends every third part of the night to the lowest heavens, doe it not mean that Allah is perpetually on earth?
3. If Muslims will see Allah physically in paradise, does it not show that Allah is limited?
4. If it is true that Allah will change his shape when he appears to Muslims in paradise, what happens to Allah's first shape?
5. If Allah is too big to enter into his creation, how then does he descend from his throne to the lowest heaven?
6. What is special with Taoheed of Allah since we know that Iblis is also one and unique?



Don't be a coward sir!