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senier007:
The only problem is the language issue, bein 1-10 aired in Arabic not English
And So far the channels are not up to 70 but the picture quality is OK : some in HD while others in SD

I believe there is a technology that can translate t... There is a documentary channel on starsat that airs in French but very interesting ...I complied and other too on twitter to them ...They finally had it translated not like those Chinese Yoruba movie translations.

ossy7881:
This is the decoder. It will be on sale soon

I was hoping you will inform us with images , the numbers of channels that are available, currently, the quality of the pictures and more importantly, the data service or you never still finish the installation?


People are already returning to this thread because of you ... We need update....User experience

ossy7881:
almost set

Ossy Biko update the forum as soon as is possible. I am more interested in the claimed Internet service

This is been assembled in Calabar

itspzpics:
The duo were spotted together recently. Reekado banks and otedola daughter DJ cuppy.

Adorable?


Via :: http://www.praizeblog.com/2017/10/checkout-adorable-selfie-of-reekado.html?m=0

A decoder assembly plant is currently being commisioned by Lai in Calabar. Could it be the cause of the delay by tstv 8n distributing their decoder

nairavsdollars:
Who takes IBB serious again? See how he look. A man who Abiola's ghosts is haunting every night. Bode George for PDP national Chairman

Shey him say na him chairman in waiting .... The election go proof weda him still get the weight or not to make things happen in this country

If you read the scripture you are citing carefully, you will realised that sins are forgiven upon application of the anointing oil.

Other translations of the Bible uses faults .... Because the sins have already been taken care of by the prayers of the elders and the anointing oil...... Confess your faults ..ONE TO ANOTHER ...This is simple English that applies when you have more than two people involved. .... James , if he meant what you are implying , could have asked them to confess their sins or faults to him since he IS an apostle but he told them one to another .....THE ONE I HAVE OFFENDED IS THE WILL ENTITLED TO MY CONFESSION.


Please Note that it wasn't all the time that Jesus healed that he forgave sins ... Not all infirmities are as a result of sin, some are tricks of the enemies ....."And he was teaching in one of the synagogues on the sabbath. And, behold, there was a woman which had a spirit of infirmity eighteen years, and was bowed together, and could in no wise lift up herself. And when Jesus saw her, he called her to him, and said unto her, Woman, thou art loosed from thine infirmity. And he laid his hands on her: and immediately she was made straight, and glorified God." (Luk 13:10-13)............When sin was the root of the issue he forgave sins.


If I wrong my wife , it would be foolish to run to a priest to confess. Nothing from the priest will bring respite ... The person I have offended is the one in a position to forgive me.

Forgiveness brings deliverance otherwise it is not worth it ...Every forgiveness brings relieve to the one forgiven ....Every forgiveness brings deliverance including state pardon .. that Jesus demonstrated and ask them and us to continue in that tradition



Thee is no scripture anywhere to back up what you do as confession in the Catholic Church.. it is mans personal idea and it is not scriptural. What you brought up in 2 Cor 2:10 still doesn't speak to your idea of forgiveness....Whomever forgive I also forgive ............."To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ;" (2Cor 2:10)....... Until I forgive you for the wrong against me , it stays ............ If I have offended you you ought to know without my telling you

Ubenedictus:
here it seem you are the one who ignored the immediate context. he actually ended the issue of the rich,he then moved on to judgements, before finally he says if you are happy sing praise but if any is sick call the presbyter let him be anointed and prayer over if he is in sin he will be forgiven, and for the avoidance of doubt as to how these prayer for forgiveness happens it says "THEREFORE confess your sins one to another". it is a pity it isn't clear to you since you have been taught in a 20th century church that has no links to historic Christianity but any 1st or 2nd or 3rd century Christian who the letter was addressed to will immediately understand it since confession of that nature is practiced in their churches, with their presbyter and bishop.

it is true that Jesus forgave sin especially when he healed, and yes I agree that His apostles have the power to forgive sin that cause illnesses but John 20 doesn't say, If you are healing people whatever sins you forgive are forgiven.

there is no limitation to that authority as you seem to artificially input, Jesus says whatsoever sin you forgive are forgiven... no but no "only during healing, that is your own idea and it is a modern day heresy are no early Christian interpreted the passage with such limits.

moreso in 2cor 2:10 we see Paul making use of his authority to forgive with the authority and power of Jesus and it isn't about healing of physical illness.

New Living Translation
When you forgive this man, I forgive him,
too. And when I forgive whatever needs to
be forgiven, I do so with Christ's authority
for your benefit,


Douay-Rheims Bible
And to whom you have pardoned any thing, I
also. For, what I have pardoned, if I have
pardoned any thing, for your sakes have I
done it in the person of Christ.

madridguy:
Some men can be too emotional.

You no go understand... That man fit no even remember his own birthday ...Once my wife said happy birthday on phone and without thinking I said same to you .She burst out laughing...Business and how to take care of the family no let me remember such things

Ubenedictus:
I also told you that I am sure your church will try and interpret it differently from how it was understood for 2000 years of Christianity by all ancient church. of course you guys fail to realise that the Bible was addressing churches that already had these sacrament and practices and was actually repeating what was already done.

you have divorced the scriptures from it natural settings and what you have are the opinions of men who lived 2000yrs after the event and have little knowledge of what they are talking about.


d
that is why every ancient church interpret that passage differently from your 20th century fellowship....
to be continued.

"And he stooping down, and looking in, saw the linen clothes lying; yet went he not in." (John 20:5).... It is depth that makes the difference not who races first to the source.

Jesus Christ gave his charge to his followers after his death and resurrection. He breathed the Holy spirit into them and gave them charge to forgive sin ... This he needed not explain how to do it because he already had demonstrated it severally. ...Confession in a box structure is not the greater works he told them they would do .... It is leading men and women to Christ ... He , Jesus Christ , never led anybody to Christ.

Every other issue of life he showed us how to handle them spiritually.

Ubenedictus:
this is the genesis of that post.

https://www.nairaland.com/4075070/when-why-did-change-church/5#60894849

I wasn't address you I was talking to homeseady who asked about the benefit of the I confess prayer since his priest usually emphasized confessions.

I replied
3. the I confess prayer is a penitential prayer for
the forgiveness of venial sin, mortal sin does get
forgiven in confession. A prayer doesn't replace
a sacrament. so your priest is right and there is
no contradiction .

my reply shows that there are types of sin one mortal and the other I called venial. I told him that one is addressed through the I confess prayer while the other is through confession as his priest said.


you jumped in and ask me to explain the biblical basis for my reply. I promptly reference 1 jn 5 and later explained that it shows two types of sins and told us one is forgiven by intercession and the other isn't. I explained that it shows the basis for my post since the I confess prayer is intercessory.




this line of discussion is actually about the fact that sins are of two types and each type is treated differently, there is another line of discussion about the anointing to forgive sins and I'll address that after this post. so this discussion is the one with homesteady which you jumped into, there is another line about confession.



please follow up so as not to mingle one response with another, it isn't funny showing how each line of discussion originate .

Now I understand you. Since you are interested in discussing kinds of sin , let me know how the other sin is cleaned or removed from a person because the scripture you cited didn't mention any means of removing it

Ok.they have to give detailed explaination for the gap between launch and kickoff

nwokoyepraise:
First of all, you haven't told me the reason Christ gave his apostles the power to forgive sins. Secondly, it is even in the Bible that it is not everything that Christ did was recorded and supposing that Christ did not do it doesn't make doing it to be wrong. There are so many benefits accrued to going to confession and I have already told you that even the Priest might refer you to go to the person you have wronged.

I have answered this question. Jesus gave the apostles the power to do what he already did for the reason he did it ...Deliverance from satanic oppression as a result of winning against God and being left out if the coverage of the most high


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Themandator:



The verse of the scripture you quoted doesn't support what you are explaining Or defending: "Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that you may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much." (Jam 5:16)

If you understand the simple grammar , one to another, yo won't be arguing against the instruction of the Bible. If you offend your wife or your parents is it your priest or them that you go to for confession and ask for forgiveness. When meaning is not clear, start from the beginning is the admonition of Bishop Oyedepo concerning the scripture and if you take that route rather than extract a verse and then turn it upside down ,what you will get is that the admonition doesn't support your argument.

That scripture was addressing the rich and their ways and attitude... Rather than complain against one another he admonished they pray and confess their faults to one another ....One another is used when when you have more than two people involved ..... He was addressing a congregation. It was like reconciling a community and bringing back brotherhood ... James wasn't asking them to go to a priest or the apostles.


Here is the James 5 from 9 to 16

"Do not complain against one another, my friends, so that God will not judge you. The Judge is near, ready to appear. My friends, remember the prophets who spoke in the name of the Lord. Take them as examples of patient endurance under suffering. We call them happy because they endured. You have heard of Job's patience, and you know how the Lord provided for him in the end. For the Lord is full of mercy and compassion. Above all, my friends, do not use an oath when you make a promise. Do not swear by heaven or by earth or by anything else. Say only "Yes" when you mean yes, and "No" when you mean no, and then you will not come under God's judgment. Are any among you in trouble? They should pray. Are any among you happy? They should sing praises. Are any among you sick? They should send for the church elders, who will pray for them and rub olive oil on them in the name of the Lord. This prayer made in faith will heal the sick; the Lord will restore them to health, and the sins they have committed will be forgiven. So then, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, so that you will be healed. The prayer of a good person has a powerful effect." (Jam 5:9-16)



John 20:23 is not what you have concluded it to be. Jesus Christ didn't come to cause confusion ... What he meant when he made that state he already demonstrated so your undecidedkind don't run off with the wrong idea...


Here are examples of the sins you forgive are forgiven in heaven by the Lord Jesus Christ

1. "Is it easier to say, 'Your sins are forgiven,' or to say, 'Get up and walk'? I will prove to you, then, that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins." So he said to the paralyzed man, "Get up, pick up your bed, and go home!" The man got up and went home." (Mat 9:5-7)


2. "Because of the crowd, however, they could find no way to take him in. So they carried him up on the roof, made an opening in the tiles, and let him down on his bed into the middle of the group in front of Jesus. When Jesus saw how much faith they had, he said to the man, "Your sins are forgiven, my friend." The teachers of the Law and the Pharisees began to say to themselves, "Who is this man who speaks such blasphemy! God is the only one who can forgive sins!" Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, "Why do you think such things? Is it easier to say, 'Your sins are forgiven you,' or to say, 'Get up and walk'?" (Luk 5:19-23)


3. "Seeing how much faith they had, Jesus said to the paralyzed man, "My son, your sins are forgiven."" (Mar 2:5)

4. "Is it easier to say, 'Your sins are forgiven you,' or to say, 'Get up and walk'? I will prove to you, then, that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins." So he said to the paralyzed man, "I tell you, get up, pick up your bed, and go home!" At once the man got up in front of them all, took the bed he had been lying on, and went home, praising God." (Luk 5:23-25)


5. "I tell you, then, the great love she has shown proves that her many sins have been forgiven. But whoever has been forgiven little shows only a little love." Then Jesus said to the woman, "Your sins are forgiven." [/b]The others sitting at the table began to say to themselves, "Who is this, who even forgives sins?"" (Luk 7:47-49)


6. "where some people brought to him a paralyzed man, lying on a bed. When Jesus saw how much faith they had, he said to the paralyzed man, "Courage, my son! [b]Your sins are forgiven."" (Mat 9:2)


The authority Jesu gave them in John 20:23 was sealed and hen he said in Mark 16:17: these signs shall follow them that believe , in my name they shall....... This was exactly what Jesus meant when he said the sins you forgive ... He was addressing deliverance from afflictions or infirmities caused by disobedience to God .... Everytime he forgave sins you could see tangible evidence of deliverance from punishment

He wasn't telling them to start hearing people sins or faults and giving out prayer like drug from pharmacy


The Bible is written for instructions and guide ... It is a book of examples ... Do it the exact way if is in the Bible to get the result they got.... Any other way is man made and and therefore , religion which is man's personal idea of how to please God.

All the so called benefits of confession to a priest you listed is neither here nor there... You don't break the hold of sin through strategy but by walk with the Joly spirit.

Agqin, I repeat , the one I have offended is the one to hear my apologies and then forgive me ... We all have equal fellowship with God as our Father
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Thank you

nwokoyepraise:
Bro., I just can't understand why you are so much against confession, even when you go to confession some times, the priest might even refer to go to the person you wronged to ask for forgiveness. If confession shouldn't be accepted as you are trying to prove, then why did Jesus give His apostles the power to forgive sins in John 20:23

The post you replied to gave you the answer to your question ...Jesus never asked anyone to st up a box and listen to people story. He already demonstrated the way and means of forgiving sin and I listed them in the post you replied ... If it is biblical to confess to a third party something you never did to him for him to forgive you then show me and I will practice it ... The one Jesus Christ instructed he practiced

Ubenedictus:
I am pretty surprise you seem blind to what is written in ink and paper.

there is a sin that leads to death.

there is a sin that doesn't lead to death.

don't pray if it is a sin that leads to death.

pray if it is a sin that doesn't lead to death.



that should be simple enough for anyone, he has put forth two types of sin and shown how to deal with each.


if you say you can't see what is written in plain ink and doesn't require serious logic, then I am worried to even continue a discussion with you.

there is no benefit in pouring water on stone.

Please I am forced to repost my comment that you replied to and then add another rejoinder


Themandator:


"If you see a believer commit a sin that does not lead to death, you should pray to God, who will give that person life. This applies to those whose sins do not lead to death. But there is sin which leads to death, and I do not say that you should pray to God about that. All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which does not lead to death." (1Jn 5:16-17).... Goodnews Bible

"If anyone sees his brother commit a sin that is not a deadly sin, he has only to pray, and God will give life to this brother -- provided that it is not a deadly sin. There is sin that leads to death and I am not saying you must pray about that. Every kind of wickedness is sin, but not all sin leads to death." (1Jn 5:16-17)..... New Jerusalem Bible


I have used these two that are Catholic approved Bible to show that what John was saying had an operational key: SEE. if you see a brother commits a sin that is not into death like you see him insult somebody ...Just pray and ask God for forgiveness on his behalf .... He didn't say the brother will come to you and confess it .. you have to be a witness to his sinning.


I don't think we are discussing kinds of sin.


New addition: in case you have forgotten the kernel of our discourse , it is on the articular hearing of sins and forgiveness by the Catholic Church Reve father......I never engaged you on kinds of sin .... Whether leading to death or not


You have yet to prove with the scripture that Jesus Christ gave anyone the anointing to hear sins and forgive same, as is practiced by the Catholic Church ..... What Jesus told the disciples he already practiced severally (I believe I have mentioned you with the Bible verses on this) and so there is no debate about how to forgive sin.

"The deeper into humanist teaching a man delves, the more likely he is to try to make Bible interpretation fit a systematic mold of human logic"

Desyner:
Memo/letters to the President now goes through social media.

The minister of state , petroleum, couldn't access his principal minister of petroleum and your comment is where you saw the letter . Where did Sanusi letter to Jonathan go to?

9jakohai:
Hitv messed themselves up....by thinking that Nigerians bought cable TV for football.

Then their bouquet was poor.

TSTV appears to have a much better bouquet than hitv.

Na lie .... Dem for make am but d liabilities became too heavy and they couldn't renew the sport license ...Sport enthusiast accounts for like 70 percent of those who pay or would have loved to pay if the price was right



Read their story , they paid much more than anybody had ever paid for sport right in the history of rights in Africa forgetting that other interests had to be catered for

biolashn:
nice one...pioneer right of election.....3years tstv sha wan crash d whole market.....

They will still collect the remaining two years ... By then dstv no to know wetin hit them ...All their products will b bought from the second year profit of tstv unless dem go rush go meet mtn make dem collabo give free decoder and data service too because wetin dey ground pass match things ... Na the data service be d koko

Chartey:
Tstv will buy all those and still peg sub at 3k? Wake up bro. You'll see TSTV quality soon

You have a one way mindset about content and how they are acquired .... Advertiser can pay for content and take it to them if their survey proves that more people have the decoder and are active subscribers .... They can take a program like do good and bring it to them , pay them for the airtime and get advert fees to make their money ..... It is like what don jazzy did with his flobyte..... He give you WiFi service free while advertiser pay him .... You see the advert


It is not them Alway buying ...When they buy content and it is popular, advertiser takes slot in the program .... They can actually get to work with the owner in a profit sharing arrangement .... The most important thing and the reason they are trending is sport. Once the picture is clear and clean for their sport channel , boys will forget the rest and pay..... Bet Naija , sure bet and other will give them advert because they know boys will be waiting for match more in tstv than in Dstv

Chartey:
You mean they'll buy the kind of movies shown on Africa Magic Showcase and still charge 3k? You mean they'll develop programs like Tinsel, Jacob's Cross and still charge 3k? You mean they can have a channel like Ebony Life that produces movies like Wedding Party and still charge subscription of 3k?
My brother, wait for the disappointment called TSTV

Remove sport from dstv and ask them to charge 5k for their premium bouquet and see how many people gets to subscribe ...All these channels are not the money SPINNER for dstv but sport ... It is the reason anyone pays them 17k in a month not because of ebony or telemundo.... Those channels I don't even watch.... Honest to God, I have never followed that tinsel stuff , Jacob cross ...The one am into is Doo good and the Johnson family ...Finish ....I will have MBC action in place of all those wanna be programs ....If I want Asian soap I have Starsat. Nobody beats them when it comes to Indian ,documentary , music and news channels and they are HD channels.It is the lack of this EPL that makes them unpopular


The fact that they already have the sport channels for rock bottom prices from Bein Tv means they can explore.
If with the cheap bouquet and the free Wi-Fi service, ability to rewind, record and save in a 50g storage card and many more that turns my Samsung 48 inch LED INTO smart TV , I am game , they are able to garner a million subscriber within those tax free years , they can go places and do many thing


Leave them alone and stop being bitter ... It is just a paltry 5k device ... People give that amount to their girlfriend for Uber ....Leave them alone....My iPad air 2 64g doesn't rewind but now cost a staggering 470k....Leave them alone please ......face front ............and 3k Subscription...I use 2500 for Glo data service alone and sometime I do twice in a month ..... Not 50k and 17k


I am surprised a man has time for those ladies channels...Ebony Kwa not even channels Tv or ait

SOFTENGR:
Why u no buy make you give us your experience

People want to buy , the problem is where to buy ....I called a number on their site and was told two weeks that installation staff are on training ....Because it comes with internet service is and not just dish

udemzyudex:
The only way to aviod the matter from being complicated is asking for receipt when you buy a phone..

the receipt shows evidence of payment and ownership.
if at all the person is arrested,then the best thing to do is go to court ,since u have the receipt nothing will happen.

if you buy a stolen goods,ur case will be worse than the person that stole it cos the police believe you're the one encouraging them to do so..

Buy from an open market ...Where such items are usually sold ,and from a seller then receipt and the law will be with you ... Best just buy what your money can afford brand new and be done

xandy84:
You're on point. Nigerian want good stuff but does not want to pay for it. Cable TV is expensive every part of the world. It cost over $120 to get a decent channels in States and it could go as high as $250 with all the add on. Good stuff does not come cheap thought DSTV monopoly is long overdue but the new Cable TV is not a rival for DSTV. I am of the opinion DSTV would concentrate on the rich while the new cable TV target the middle class and the poor.

If dstv follow your advice and try to focus on the rich they will be out of the market in months. The rich wants free things mu h more then the poor ... They will be the first to move .... And people wants something refreshingly new .... Data and video call using your Tv ..... They actually gave you a smart TV that you need half a million naira to get from Samsung for just 5k.

Chartey:
Nollywood producers will still prefer to give Africa Magic their new movies because DSTV pays them better.

DSTV has poured millions of dollars in into the Nigerian Professional Football League without any profit yet the govt did not give them any tax relief. I see this development making the NFF very uncomfortable.

TV stations like Soundcity and Hip TV will still prefer the DSTV platform because they pay them better. Besides DSTV is partly responsible for the acceptance of Nigerian music across Africa.

Many people are addicted to the shows Telemundo and Zee World which TSTV does not have. Not everybody watches sport. That was the same assumption that killed HiTv.

I don't see DSTV collapsing. They're in so many countries although Nigeria is their second most important market. They have over 200 channels with something for everybody.

People don't know that subscription is actually cheaper in Nigeria than for instance Ghana. Cable TV is a luxury everywhere in the world. Sky is expensive in the UK too.

This competition will be good for the Nigerian consumer and is welcome but people please let's not get our hopes too high. TSTV has to earn credibility and our support.

Government didn't just give them tax relief they earned it through proper thinking ...Pioneer status..... While dstv was interested in milking us as we are somebody thought of a way to make a killing from legal policy of the government... They are pioneering pay per view in Nigeria hence the status .... It is a never before tried aspect of the business here in Nigeria ... If you bring another innovation and give same to dstv , government will grant them the status ,also


They are offering data service for almost free ... You can use it to watch any channel that is not on their menu ... I went to their site and saw CNN amongst their news channels because you can use the data to watch it


For three thousand you have 10g of data and a WiFi enable device .., how cheap can it get ... Just that alone will sell the product to the youths and university students

yakbauer:
We saw HiTV come & go despite Frank Nweke Jr's efforts in seeing that they got EPL viewing rights, contents matter, if they're as good as they claim with that added Internet access, they should be able to give Dstv a run for their money

They ran into trouble when they Over priced the rights of those soccer channels ...Before them, nobody ever offered what they offered and the rights owners were surprised. By the time they paid for other channels , debt was inevitable.

This new guys have taken an entirely different route... They went through the back door to get a second hand right for the sport channels from Bein Tv, something the so-called Chinese Startimes should have thought out and executed... According to somebody here , most of their interesting channels are free to air so they only have to worry about diesel and other operating cost and they got to keep their entire profit for the next three years

Ubenedictus:
I don't know what you mean by tribal association but I'll let you run with it your structure again is similar to that of redeem. again I doubt your 2 weeks course cover the entire Bible.


again you took the Bible thing personal, even though my statement was fair. your church still doesn't cover genesis to revelation on you normal church days, and if it did it would have to repeat the same the next year. so it is still repetitive.

I see you did respond to my statement on repetition.

The two week is first basic course , then leadership and then diploma course...It divided the Bible into different subject matter like healing, sanctification, word, business Breakthrough and every other issue that confront you as a person ..,even the communion is given dettailed treatment , family curse ....And the teachers are men and women that have had personal experience in the various subject areas they handle


These are the people we called or refer to as elders of the church ...People with result ... They come from different branches of the church becuauthey are mostly pastors within that province

Ubenedictus:
I don't know what you mean by tribal association but I'll let you run with it your structure again is similar to that of redeem. again I doubt your 2 weeks course cover the entire Bible.


again you took the Bible thing personal, even though my statement was fair. your church still doesn't cover genesis to revelation on you normal church days, and if it did it would have to repeat the same the next year. so it is still repetitive.

I see you did respond to my statement on repetition.

Tribal association like Igbo Catholic community...I am from Anambra state. Isoko Catholic community ....We used to have meetings under those subheads


We don't cover it on a normal Sunday service.... Sorry if you perceive me to have taken it personal...I have to reply almost same question from different handles ..Make me weary and just want to shoe off the next.


I have not seen this repetitin own because when I open my mention I have new updates ... There was one that ask me about what I meant by in-depth walk and I have been looking for it to answer and can't find it


It is not deliberate that I have avoided making a rejoinder ...We are learning from one another ... Every opportunity I must maximize.

Ubenedictus:
now you seem to be getting defensive it is OK.



1. God does ask you to confess your sin to another, in very clear ink James 5 says so and in context to the presbyter since he is the one called to anoint the sick and ask for his forgiveness.

2. Christians are of equal dignity but not the same function that is why JM 5 say when you are sick call the presbyter not call any brethren.
3. John 20 also tells us that Christ gave the ministry to forgive sins to his apostles, it is not about who you offended Jesus clearly says receive the holy spirit whoever sins you forgive are forgiven. that is the ministry of reconciliation.



I will also go ahead a assume you and your new church will interprete those passages differently and in my next post I'll tell you why, and remind you that the Catholic church teaches the Gospel as delivered by the apostles and understood in the church of Christ for 2000 years .

I can't be repeating myself on this and I am not defensive in any way ..... Who is an elder ... There is no anointing in title ... Bishop Oyedepo usually says that your title entitles you to nothing in the kingdom but your walk with the holy spirit.

I will have to repost what I have already posted as reply to some person here....



nwokoyepraise:

It is written in James 5:16 that we should confess our sins to one another for the forgiveness of our sins which proves that it is not wrong for you to confess your sins to somebody and also highlights the efficacy of confession of ones sins to somebody and.
Then secondly, if we should confess our sins to someone, wouldn't it be wise to confess it to priest whom Jesus Christ has given the power to forgive sins (John 20:23)? Confessing of ones sins to a Priest has several benefits which includes the receptance of grace which will enable someone to avoid a particular sin and also will enable someone to avoid occasions of sin. For instance, if you are genuinely seeking for righteousness, am sure you will try as much as possible to avoid a particular sin if you seem to be confessing it always during confession. I just pray that God will enlighten you to see and understand what am trying to say.


The verse of the scripture you quoted doesn't support what you are explaining Or defending: "Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that you may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much." (Jam 5:16)

If you understand the simple grammar , one to another, yo won't be arguing against the instruction of the Bible. If you offend your wife or your parents is it your priest or them that you go to for confession and ask for forgiveness. When meaning is not clear, start from the beginning is the admonition of Bishop Oyedepo concerning the scripture and if you take that route rather than extract a verse and then turn it upside down ,what you will get is that the admonition doesn't support your argument.

That scripture was addressing the rich and their ways and attitude... Rather than complain against one another he admonished they pray and confess their faults to one another ....One another is used when when you have more than two people involved ..... He was addressing a congregation. It was like reconciling a community and bringing back brotherhood ... James wasn't asking them to go to a priest or the apostles.


Here is the James 5 from 9 to 16

"Do not complain against one another, my friends, so that God will not judge you. The Judge is near, ready to appear. My friends, remember the prophets who spoke in the name of the Lord. Take them as examples of patient endurance under suffering. We call them happy because they endured. You have heard of Job's patience, and you know how the Lord provided for him in the end. For the Lord is full of mercy and compassion. Above all, my friends, do not use an oath when you make a promise. Do not swear by heaven or by earth or by anything else. Say only "Yes" when you mean yes, and "No" when you mean no, and then you will not come under God's judgment. Are any among you in trouble? They should pray. Are any among you happy? They should sing praises. Are any among you sick? They should send for the church elders, who will pray for them and rub olive oil on them in the name of the Lord. This prayer made in faith will heal the sick; the Lord will restore them to health, and the sins they have committed will be forgiven. So then, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, so that you will be healed. The prayer of a good person has a powerful effect." (Jam 5:9-16)



John 20:23 is not what you have concluded it to be. Jesus Christ didn't come to cause confusion ... What he meant when he made that state he already demonstrated so your undecidedkind don't run off with the wrong idea...


Here are examples of the sins you forgive are forgiven in heaven by the Lord Jesus Christ

1. "Is it easier to say, 'Your sins are forgiven,' or to say, 'Get up and walk'? I will prove to you, then, that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins." So he said to the paralyzed man, "Get up, pick up your bed, and go home!" The man got up and went home." (Mat 9:5-7)


2. "Because of the crowd, however, they could find no way to take him in. So they carried him up on the roof, made an opening in the tiles, and let him down on his bed into the middle of the group in front of Jesus. When Jesus saw how much faith they had, he said to the man, "Your sins are forgiven, my friend." The teachers of the Law and the Pharisees began to say to themselves, "Who is this man who speaks such blasphemy! God is the only one who can forgive sins!" Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, "Why do you think such things? Is it easier to say, 'Your sins are forgiven you,' or to say, 'Get up and walk'?" (Luk 5:19-23)


3. "Seeing how much faith they had, Jesus said to the paralyzed man, "My son, your sins are forgiven."" (Mar 2:5)

4. "Is it easier to say, 'Your sins are forgiven you,' or to say, 'Get up and walk'? I will prove to you, then, that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins." So he said to the paralyzed man, "I tell you, get up, pick up your bed, and go home!" At once the man got up in front of them all, took the bed he had been lying on, and went home, praising God." (Luk 5:23-25)


5. "I tell you, then, the great love she has shown proves that her many sins have been forgiven. But whoever has been forgiven little shows only a little love." Then Jesus said to the woman, "Your sins are forgiven." [/b]The others sitting at the table began to say to themselves, "Who is this, who even forgives sins?"" (Luk 7:47-49)


6. "where some people brought to him a paralyzed man, lying on a bed. When Jesus saw how much faith they had, he said to the paralyzed man, "Courage, my son! [b]Your sins are forgiven."" (Mat 9:2)


The authority Jesu gave them in John 20:23 was sealed and hen he said in Mark 16:17: these signs shall follow them that believe , in my name they shall....... This was exactly what Jesus meant when he said the sins you forgive ... He was addressing deliverance from afflictions or infirmities caused by disobedience to God .... Everytime he forgave sins you could see tangible evidence of deliverance from punishment

He wasn't telling them to start hearing people sins or faults and giving out prayer like drug from pharmacy


The Bible is written for instructions and guide ... It is a book of examples ... Do it the exact way if is in the Bible to get the result they got.... Any other way is man made and and therefore , religion which is man's personal idea of how to please God.

All the so called benefits of confession to a priest you listed is neither here nor there... You don't break the hold of sin through strategy but by walk with the Joly spirit.

Agqin, I repeat , the one I have offended is the one to hear my apologies and then forgive me ... We all have equal fellowship with God as our Father
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Thank you

Ubenedictus:
yes it talks about sin.

apostle John teaches that all sin is sin but sin has types, he says there is a sin that leads to death AKA mortal sin and there exist a sin that doesn't kill.

he says if you see a brethren commit a non mortal sin that you can pray to God on his behalf and that sin will be remitted and forgiven, he didn't say go and meet him and ask him to repent etc, no, all you gat to do is pray and he will be forgiven, BUT
If your brethren commit a mortal sin he expressly says I don't ask you to pray about it, you have no business with that.

any body can see that not every sin is handled in the same way. some are easily dealt with by the intercession of others while others can't.


back to my statement, the I confess prayer in an intercessory prayer whereby we ask God to forgive others sin and John clearly says that non mortal sins are forgiven that way but he also teaches that such intercession isn't how to deal with mortal sin.


I' ll expound this post later.... but for now it explains the biblical basis for my earlier statement.

"If you see a believer commit a sin that does not lead to death, you should pray to God, who will give that person life. This applies to those whose sins do not lead to death. But there is sin which leads to death, and I do not say that you should pray to God about that. All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which does not lead to death." (1Jn 5:16-17).... Goodnews Bible

"If anyone sees his brother commit a sin that is not a deadly sin, he has only to pray, and God will give life to this brother -- provided that it is not a deadly sin. There is sin that leads to death and I am not saying you must pray about that. Every kind of wickedness is sin, but not all sin leads to death." (1Jn 5:16-17)..... New Jerusalem Bible


I have used these two that are Catholic approved Bible to show that what John was saying had an operational key: SEE. if you see a brother commits a sin that is not into death like you see him insult somebody ...Just pray and ask God for forgiveness on his behalf .... He didn't say the brother will come to you and confess it .. you have to be a witness to his sinning.


I don't think we are discussing kinds of sin.

Ubenedictus:
so you mean I won't really hear the entire Bible just from going to your church on normal church days, in fact I have to go every morning and evening and then join groups like BBC, LCC, LDC to get this understanding. and even then I still won't hear the Bible read because it you claim you don't do "recitals", so I guess you simply do explanations.

Sir there no group in the church ...Like st.jude or Paul society , Bible society etc....Only service unit like ushering , sanctuary that cleans the place , Security, etc.....Thee is no tribal association since Jesus didn't start one when he was around.

Our 'normal Church days' are midweek and Sundays ... On Saturday is for home cells ...I Am a teacher at the home cells level , by the way


BCC means Bible certificate course ...It runs for two weeks ...Just like the other courses ......Your version of it is catechism but the difference is that it is not for recital...Who made you ...God me me ...Why did God make you ...God made me to know him , love him and to be happy with him in the world after .......Lcc means leadership certificate course and LDC means leadership diploma course ... Every winner and even Pastors from other churches are encouraged and do come for these schools. The fee is just 1200.


I just did my Lcc after over three years of doing the BCC ..I hope to do the LDC this year.

GogetterMD:
Startimes. Packed up the decoder for over a year now though

Use the dish ... It is by far better and have the NBA channel even though I am not a basket ball person but just the quality of the picture dey make me level my TV see for intimidation purpose

GogetterMD:
They have removed NBA from their bouquet for almost a year now

Which are you on? Starsat or Startimes

Tecno66:
This is the problem. Everyone is waiting for others to use and give them feedback. Why not buy, use and tell us how it is.

Nobody is waiting for anybody. The decoder has not gone round Nigeria ...Is it not just 5k ... The very say I see them in EPZ Calabar I am getting it and I know many peeps would do same