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Car TalkRe: Which Is More Stressful To Clean The Interior Or The Exterior Of A Car? by thinkmoney(m): 1:56pm On Dec 10, 2020
iamyemiakins:
After performing my car washing morning duty today, something just came to mind that washing a car can be very easy and quick atimes based on different conditions and features of the car.

The size of the car, level of dirt acquired by the car, interior design of the car, usage level of the car, topography of routes most plied by the car regularly etc., can in one way or the other determine the level of difficulty an individual might experience in washing a car/vehicle.

I finally came to a conclusion today that, cleaning/washing the interior of a car is more stressful than cleaning/washing the exterior of a car. grin
The exterior of dispatch bike is very hard oh....lol
What's your opinion?
Christianity EtcRe: Who Was God Referring To, When He Said Come Let's Make Man In Our Own Image? by thinkmoney(m): 1:50pm On Dec 10, 2020
MaxInDHouse:
So how do you view Paul's admonition do not forsake the gathering of believers but go on encouraging and been encouraged Hebrew 10:24-25
Secondly Jesus asked his disciples to go out and make disciples from house to house Matthew 28:19-20

Do you think you can truly be happy when you're not fully involved in these things as commanded by Jesus (God's only begotten son through whom all people must pass to reach God) {John 14:6} and Apostle Paul who was chosen to teach all the gentiles (including you) how to practice Christianity {Act 9:15; Romans 11:13; 1Timothy 2:7}

To be candid i admire your understanding but at the same time something is missing you only remember those things offhand but you can't establish them in the scriptures this reminds me of a first century Jew name Apollos, he was a disciple of John the baptist, he spoke God's word with efficacy then Aquila and Priscilla have to take him in to explain the way more open to him.
Surely Apollos became a disciple of Jesus and God's holy spirit will help him in quoting God's word because he is now with Jesus' group who must go out there to preach and teach in his neighbourhood! Act 18:24-28

So you can't be fully competent and completely equipped in the disciple making work if you're not associating with Jesus' group. 2Timothy 3:16-17
I was a Muslim and i learnt what i'm saying now from Jehovah's Witnesses but i never thought i could be this efficacious in directing people to the scriptures, of course the JWs prayed with me several times and promised me that if i continue without let up God's holy spirit will come and dwell with me so i don't need to worry what to say or where to quote whenever i'm in need of it the holy spirit will remind me! Matthew 10:19
You are now taking the discourse into that of association. However, you are right in some of your observations and I commend the courage that made you change when you got hold of the truth. You are really brave. Many so called christians cannot even come up with the courage to change from their church to another that teaches the scripture more accurately not to talk about completely cross carpeting from one religion like islam to the other. I commend you.
But, I can actually give the Bible verses I quote, it's quite easy actually, only it might take more time and a little more effort. I am a bit flabbergasted by the comparison with Aquila. I leave those scriptures without putting the book or verse always with the assurance that nobody can pick them out that they aren't in the Bible.
I sense you are truly passionate about taking in knowledge(for this is life,there taking in knowledge of you the only true God and of Jesus that you have sent John 17... something lol). But if truly you are one of Jehovah witnesses, I have noticed you still have work to do to catch up with what the Bible really teaches. You know at first, I didn't know how you can come up with the temporary godship of Jesus or how you explained Jesus being wisdom if you hadn't maybe gotten those ideas from some esotoric movements that doesn't preacu the truth of the Bible. I hope you understand.
Talking about association, I agree with your take 100%. A good friend of mine, Adeyemi Ambrose sowed the seed of accurate knowledge of the Bible in me (I am forever grateful to him. He is a witness). I need Jehovah's grace to completely furnish me however. Because I always like to be completely certain before I take some serious steps.
SportsRe: Highest Goalscorers In The Champions League After The Group Stage by thinkmoney(m): 1:31pm On Dec 10, 2020
ghettokid1:
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/champions-league/top-scorers
If not for terrible coaching, Manchester United doesn't deserve to be knocked out
Christianity EtcRe: Who Was God Referring To, When He Said Come Let's Make Man In Our Own Image? by thinkmoney(m): 11:24am On Dec 10, 2020
MaxInDHouse:
Hmmmm so was he once a child or forever a child as well?
Isaiah said "a child is born to us, a son is given to us" Isaiah 9:6
When exactly was he born was it during the time a Jewish virgin conceived or before then?
And how long did or will he remain a child/son?

Meanwhile i'll like to know the group where you're getting this enlightenment, i love knowledge a lot and i can go to any length to buy wisdom! Proverbs 23:23 smiley
He is always a child/son of David, in the sense that he inherited the throne and became the king of spiritual Israel. Or do you ever stop being a child/son of your father?
I didn't get any knowledge from any group. I got my knowledge only from the Bible. All my reasons have based on and backed by the bible.
I used to believe and even defend Trinity, Jesus being the almighty God, at a point, and I didnt even know what Jehovah is. But I always had an open mind, I was always ready to question whatever I hear and take in/adopt new knowledge/truth. I got the accurate knowledge of the Bible gradually overtime. Now I am happy I know God by his name and I use it. I feel saved.
Furthermore Jesus had been in existence in heaven before his earthly birth. Remember he told his audience at one point, that 'before David and Abraham, I was'. But he had to take on flesh and be born like every other human to be able to show us God and 'make God's name known.' importantly too, he had to be born of a virgin, without the input of a human father, so he won't inherit sin and so he can present himself a worthy sacrifice.
Christianity EtcRe: Who Was God Referring To, When He Said Come Let's Make Man In Our Own Image? by thinkmoney(m): 9:36am On Dec 10, 2020
MaxInDHouse:
Hmmmm this is wonderful! smiley
Well what gave me that impression is the Bible book of Isaiah 9:6 where it is written "he (Jesus) will be called mighty God" there i note that there were several titles given to the same person in that particular verse.
©A child is born, a son is given
©Rulership will be upon his shoulder
©Wonderful counselor
©Mighty God
©Everlasting Father
©Prince of Peace

Jesus was once a child born to a Jewish couple, he grew up to be a wonderful counselor and by his teachings a global family of peace loving worshipers has been gathered today. But he served in those offices at different times not the same, he will also rule for 1,000 years. That's why i come to the conclusion that his position kept changing because though he was once a baby but he only served that position for a limited time, he was a wonderful counselor in the midst of his Jewish contemporaries but he's no more physically around today, he will also rule the earth but for a limited time 1,000 years!
So being a God also must have been like that of Moses who served for a period of time {Exodus 7:1} but today Moses is no more serving as God, and Moses himself foretold of a prophet who will serve like him {Deuteronomy 18:15-18} that's why i come to the conclusion that Jesus who is the prophet like Moses also served as God for a period! Act 3:22

As for angels who turned themselves to gods for humans to worship them, God himself never allow for such {Exodus 20:3} Moses and Jesus both served as mighty Gods in the midst of God's enemies but none of them is to be worshiped. John 20:17
That's my submission, i stand to be corrected though if you have something much better!
I am one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! smiley
Those roles descriptions at Isaiah 9:6 are permanent my friend.
Jesus was the promised upspring of David that is to inherit the kindom and become king forever (no time constraint), he also is a son of God forever. He is also always a wonderful counselor, as we are always deriving beneficial lessons from his words and deeds, moreover, the holy spirit of God he provided is there to help us.
He is an everlasting father, because unlike our first father Adam, that brought about death to all mankind, Jesus through his ransom sacrifice as given everybody that believe in him the prospect of having everlasting life, in this way he as become our everlasting father, giving his children everlasting life. He is also the prince of peace, because the Bible said of him 'he is our peace, the one who has reconciled us to God'.
Now, talking about being a mighty God; I have shown you the root meaning of that word God, which is translated from the Hebrew word elohe/Elohim, it means powerful one/powerful ones. The Bible made us understand that there are many gods. These people or angels that are called gods didn't really in the sense of it made themselves one. They are gods (powerful ones) by their nature and positions. And being a god doesn't automatically bestow unto any of them the right to be worshiped (only the one Almighty God has that right exclusively).
Angels didn't make themselves God, they are by nature. The same applies to demons and Satan. They are all spiritually powerful. However, faithful angels never at any point abuse their powers and demand worship, only devil and the demons have.
Jesus is not just a God, he is a mighty God (but not the Almighty). He will always by nature and position be a mighty god. Moreover, he always direct everybody, both humans and spirits to worship God the father alone. He reminded devil of this at his temptation.
Christianity EtcRe: Who Was God Referring To, When He Said Come Let's Make Man In Our Own Image? by thinkmoney(m): 9:33am On Dec 10, 2020
MaxInDHouse:
Hmmmm this is wonderful! smiley
Well what gave me that impression is the Bible book of Isaiah 9:6 where it is written "he (Jesus) will be called mighty God" there i note that there were several titles given to the same person in that particular verse.
©A child is born, a son is given
©Rulership will be upon his shoulder
©Wonderful counselor
©Mighty God
©Everlasting Father
©Prince of Peace

Jesus was once a child born to a Jewish couple, he grew up to be a wonderful counselor and by his teachings a global family of peace loving worshipers has been gathered today. But he served in those offices at different times not the same, he will also rule for 1,000 years. That's why i come to the conclusion that his position kept changing because though he was once a baby but he only served that position for a limited time, he was a wonderful counselor in the midst of his Jewish contemporaries but he's no more physically around today, he will also rule the earth but for a limited time 1,000 years!
So being a God also must have been like that of Moses who served for a period of time {Exodus 7:1} but today Moses is no more serving as God, and Moses himself foretold of a prophet who will serve like him {Deuteronomy 18:15-18} that's why i come to the conclusion that Jesus who is the prophet like Moses also served as God for a period! Act 3:22

As for angels who turned themselves to gods for humans to worship them, God himself never allow for such {Exodus 20:3} Moses and Jesus both served as mighty Gods in the midst of God's enemies but none of them is to be worshiped. John 20:17
That's my submission, i stand to be corrected though if you have something much better!
I am one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! smiley
Those roles descriptions at Isaiah 9:6 are rather permanent my friend.
Jesus was the promised upspring of David that is to inherit the kindom and become king forever (no time constraint), he also is a son of God forever. He is also always a wonderful counselor, as we are always deriving beneficial lessons from his words and deeds, moreover, the holy spirit of God he provided is there to help us.
He is an everlasting father, because unlike our first father Adam, that brought about death to all mankind, Jesus through his ransom sacrifice as given everybody that believe in him the prospect of having everlasting life, in this way he as become our everlasting father, giving his children everlasting life. He is also the prince of peace, because the Bible said of him 'he is our peace, the one who has reconciled us to God'.
Now, talking about being a mighty God; I have shown you the root meaning of that word God, which is translated from the Hebrew word elohe/Elohim, it means powerful one/powerful ones. The Bible made us understand that there are many gods. These people or angels that are called gods didn't really in the sense of it made themselves one. They are gods (powerful ones) by their nature and positions. And being a god doesn't automatically bestow unto any of them the right to be worshiped (only the one Almighty God has that right exclusively).
Angels didn't make themselves God, they are by nature. The same applies to demons and Satan. They are all spiritually powerful. However, faithful angels never at any point abuse their powers and demand worship, only devil and the demons have.
Jesus is not just a God, he is a mighty God (but not the Almighty). He will always by nature and position be a mighty god. Moreover, he always direct everybody, both humans and spirits to worship God the father alone. He reminded devil of this at his temptation.
Christianity EtcRe: Who Was God Referring To, When He Said Come Let's Make Man In Our Own Image? by thinkmoney(m): 10:37pm On Dec 09, 2020
MaxInDHouse:
Jesus was referred to as WISDOM means by the time the CHRIST will arrive on this planet it will take divine WISDOM to recognize him! Matthew 16:13-17
Most religious teachers and scholars of the first century finds it really difficult to recognize the Messiah that all their patriarch ancestors have been longing to see! John 8:56
So Jesus surely arrived but only those who are like babies in knowledge could identify him {Matthew 11:25} the highly respected and intellectuals amongst the Jews failed to recognize their long awaited Messiah! John 1:11

Of course Jesus WAS God just as Moses also WAS God at a point in time but presently Jesus is no more serving as God, he has returned to his position before God who empowered Moses to serve as God also did the same to Jesus! Exodus 7:1

May you have PEACE! smiley
May you have peace too.
Trust me, I have taken due time to really try and understand your piece. And I have checked up the verses u gave (this is the right attitude. But unfortunately many don't go that route).
I agree with you that the earthly wise and highly placed religious leaders didn't recognize Jesus when he came.
But he wasn't called wisdom for this. He was referred to as the wisdom of God, because aside him being the manifestation of God's wisdom in words and deeds, in him also was the fullness of God's wise plan to redeem the world. A plan that got angels and Devil dumbfunded. Devil especially was cut off guard in a lot of instances. One of those instance was when he thought he has successfully schemed to put an end to Jesus, only for Jesus to pay the ransom by his death and give hope to all mankind with his resurrection.
Another place were I disagree with you is where you insinuated Godship can be given and taken from someone. That's not scripturally correct. What is scriptural is that that word God, means somebody that is powerful, that has spiritual authority. (This is the root meaning). So Jesus, angels and Devil were referred to as gods because they are spiritually powerful/influencial. Some human beings like Moses and the Pharisees were referred to as gods because they exercise some spiritual influence-moses in Egypt over pharoah and the Pharisees at the synagogue over Israel.
However, Jehovah is said to be the almighty God because he is the supreme powerful spirit and he exercise absolute power and influence. This is the scripture my friend.
Your position somehow makes me sense you might be an olumba follower. I might be wrong though.
Foreign AffairsRe: Supreme Court Rejects GOP's Bid To Nullify Biden's Win In Pennsylvania by thinkmoney(m): 9:21am On Dec 09, 2020
jfking2005:
Wasted effort detected earlier but he refused to listen
There are revelation of malpractice...videos and stuff. It may or not be significant but it's shameful.
I am now beginning to readdress many ways I see America
Jobs/VacanciesRe: Highest Paid Jobs In Nigeria,and Their Roles. by thinkmoney(m): 11:37pm On Dec 08, 2020
OSADNA009:
10.Pharmacist

How Much Do Pharmacists Earn?

A fresh graduate of pharmacy commands a salary range of N120,000 to N180,000 per month.

What is the Role of a Pharmacist?

A pharmacist is a healthcare professional who specializes in the safe and productive use of medicines. Pharmacists dispense medicines and are charged with making sure that the medicine is legal and is prescribed with a suitable dosage; oversee the supply of medicine; give medical advice to patients and collaborate with other healthcare professionals to save lives.

How to Become a Pharmacist

If you want to pursue a pharmaceutical career in Nigeria, you would undergo a five-year education in any accredited university to earn Bachelor of Pharmacy (B. Pharm). After which you would proceed for a year internship and be inducted into the Pharmacist council of Nigeria.
I don't know about the most paying, but I know one of the most lucrative profession in Nigeria and it's the nursing profession.
You can take this knowledge to the bank
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: PSG And Istanbul Basaksehir Match Suspended Over Alleged Racism By 4th Official by thinkmoney(m): 11:28pm On Dec 08, 2020
bigt2:
And thirdly:
Until the philosophy which holds one race superior and another inferior is finally and permanently discredited and abandoned, everywhere is war. And until there are no longer first-class and second-class citizens of any nation, until the colour of a man's skin is of no more significance than the colour of his eyes. And until the basic human rights are equally guaranteed to all without regard to race, there is war. And until that day, the dream of lasting peace, world citizenship, rule of international morality, will remain but a fleeting illusion to be pursued, but never attained... now everywhere is war.”
Bless u rastaman...lol
Christianity EtcRe: Who Was God Referring To, When He Said Come Let's Make Man In Our Own Image? by thinkmoney(m): 8:34pm On Dec 08, 2020
MrPRevailer:
You quoted the Bible to prove what? That's Jesus is not God? You're claiming I took it out of context. Yet the scriptural verse is plain and simple not complex words.

I showed you that Jesus is God
My friend
In all my reactions here, I have proven that Jesus is a god, he is devine, however, he is not The God Almighty.
It's actually people with mischievous intent over the years that have tried to rewrite the Bible to support their trinitarian sentiments. But thanksfully, this attempts have been found out. One is the alpha and Omega in revelation 1:11. It isn't their in the earliest of Bible versions and another conspicuous one is that place somewhere in 1John (not sure now) that said three bear witness in heaven. It was added to the Bible at one point. Modern versions with benefits of recent discoveries and technological advancement doesn't put these verses in their versions.
Morever, the alpha and Omega in revelation 1:8 and the other two places it appears in the Bible is Jehovah God the almighty.
Research this things my friend.
Christianity EtcRe: Who Was God Referring To, When He Said Come Let's Make Man In Our Own Image? by thinkmoney(m): 7:52pm On Dec 07, 2020
MrPRevailer:
Do you want to rewrite the Bible?

What does it mean when the Bible says "ALL THINGS WERE CREATED BY HIM".

Who created Hevean and Earth? Answer: GOD

Jesus said in

Revelation 1:8 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."

Has plain English become too hard for an English speaker?
What's your point exactly? I have only quoted Bible above
CelebritiesRe: SeyiLaw And Wife Ebere, Welcome Their Second Child, A Baby Girl (Photos) by thinkmoney(m): 11:36pm On Dec 06, 2020
envoymedia:
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How find it add to understand how people associate with ASSNA. Congrats bro. He is wise not to expose the baby this time, because of some mouthassassine bloggers
Christianity EtcRe: Who Was God Referring To, When He Said Come Let's Make Man In Our Own Image? by thinkmoney(m): 11:25pm On Dec 06, 2020
freshboi88:
1. How can one personify something that's already a person?. That's not how personification works. This is shallow I must say.

2. If Wisdom Is Jesus, who is understanding as also referred to in proverbs 8?

Proverbs 8:1

1 Does not wisdom call out?

Does not understanding raise her voice?
Ehiiiii!!!!!!! Bye bye, bye bye abeg, CHIZOSSS. I never see. I pity your partner oh. Na your type dey make wrong decisions even in elections , implicate all of us. Ontop say I don proof to you with examples even grammatically that the understanding and wisdom are the same.
God help you. You can't be helped any other way. Ma see wetin go make me reply u again
Christianity EtcRe: Who Was God Referring To, When He Said Come Let's Make Man In Our Own Image? by thinkmoney(m): 10:36pm On Dec 06, 2020
freshboi88:
@bolded you are inferring. Giving the verse your own interpretation. Where did proverbs 8 refer to Jesus as the one it was speaking about?.

All these ones u r saying are grammar. Show me where it is in scripture.

For your information if u read proverbs 8 from the beginning.

Proverbs 8

1.Does not wisdom call out?

Does not understanding raise her voice?

2At the highest point along the way,

where the paths meet, she takes her stand;

3beside the gate leading into the city,

at the entrance, she cries aloud:

a] Y is wisdom who is Jesus Christ referred to as she in verse 3.

b] If Jesus is wisdom, then who is understanding in verse 1 @bolded.?
Hmm my brother, you have to really understand Bible's way of talking and also brush up your knowledge of literature.
Things that are not living things or person, but that due to literature or for effect are referred to like person are addressed with 'she'. Eg Nigeria will become stronger, SHE will take her rightful place in the committy of nations.
The understanding that is mentioned is the same as wisdom. Proverbs have a way of repeating like that for effect...like when it's says for example; my son obey my WORD and do not forsake my COMMANDMENT. Here word and commandment are the same thing.
You further understand this style in verse two of Proverbs 8, where after it mentioned wisdom and understanding, a singular pronoun was used for the both words; '...on the hill she (not they) take her stance. Further down in verse 12, you will see where wisdom said she dwells together with prudence and understanding. Wisdom is the subject matter here, she is emphasizing that anyone that follows her will always show understanding and exhibit prudence. In another word the person will be wise. SIMPLE.
I have showed you by reference and inference, how Jesus is wisdom personified on several occasions already. But it's obvious you have chosen not to see or hear. You are even dismissing my efforts as mare grammar. Peace be upon you. I know I have sown a seed in you, I hope to God it finds in you a good ground and favorable elements
Christianity EtcRe: Who Was God Referring To, When He Said Come Let's Make Man In Our Own Image? by thinkmoney(m): 9:39pm On Dec 06, 2020
freshboi88:
I said show me where proverbs 8 is referring to Jesus. Is that too hard ?


U quoted other verses and gave them ur interpretation.

Where did proverbs 8 say it's Jesus that was been referred to?
Proverbs 8:34 Blessed are those who listen to me,
watching daily at my doors,
waiting at my doorway.
35 For those who find me find life
and receive favor from the Lord.
Of course we know wisdom is not a person but a quality. It's a metaphor personalising someone or something there. So, who else did the Bible say is LIFE, who else did the Bible say was with God from the beginning of creation? Who else did the Bible say God find so much pleasure in? Who embodies all these things?
1 corinthians 1:23,24. Gives us a strong clue where it said Jesus is being preached and he is the power of God and WISDOM of God.
I hope to God that this makes you calm down and think.
More importantly, I have once again used the Bible to explain the Bible.
Christianity EtcRe: Who Was God Referring To, When He Said Come Let's Make Man In Our Own Image? by thinkmoney(m): 8:44pm On Dec 06, 2020
femi4:
I m not like you, I always read "before" and "after" verses to understand contextual meaning. Prob 8 emphatically said "I wisdom" and not "Jesus"

Now, you are committing another error in understanding the contextual meaning of "Jesus being the "wisdom of God"

Now, let's look at before/ after that verse for better understanding

Now in 1Cor 1:18-19

18For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19For it is written:

“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;

the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate

Emphasis on the message of the cross being God's wisdom which is one of the attributes of God
Everywhere that 'firstborn' was used in relationship with Jesus, it means first. Eg firstborn son, firstborn of the dead and in this case, firstborn of God's creation.
This is the Bible my dear
Christianity EtcRe: Who Was God Referring To, When He Said Come Let's Make Man In Our Own Image? by thinkmoney(m): 8:36pm On Dec 06, 2020
freshboi88:
Unteachable!!!!.......u want to teach me what?....teach me with scripture my friend not your interpretation. Anything other than scripture is shit
Like you falsely claimed I didn't answer your question s, now you infer I haven't been teaching from the scripture. Regardless of the countless reference I have made to the scripture (or because I didn't call books and numbers?)
I have shown you things only from the scripture
Christianity EtcRe: Who Was God Referring To, When He Said Come Let's Make Man In Our Own Image? by thinkmoney(m): 8:26pm On Dec 06, 2020
femi4:
I m not like you, I always read "before" and "after" verses to understand contextual meaning. Prob 8 emphatically said "I wisdom" and not "Jesus"

Now, you are committing another error in understanding the contextual meaning of "Jesus being the "wisdom of God"

Now, let's look at before/ after that verse for better understanding

Now in 1Cor 1:18-19

18For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19For it is written:

“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;

the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate

Emphasis on the message of the cross being God's wisdom which is one of the attributes of God
I see you have started throwing insult subtly. 1 Cor. 23,24 can't be more clearer;23 but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, 24 but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.
And if you are talking about the message of the cross. Isn't it about the wisdom God showed in providing Jesus as the perfect sacrificial lamp?
I have shown you the consistent meaning of the word firstborn when it's used regarding Jesus, and it seem as if that revelation bothers you.
Furthermore, is wisdom a person? Didn't you study metaphor at school. How can wisdom do those things that the Bible told us Jesus did without it meaning its a metaphor for Christ? Besides the Bible is a book filled with a lot ofeyaphor for Christ
One example is where he was referred to as the vine.
I might not continue with u, the way I am perceiving your attitude and tolerance now. God be with you
Christianity EtcRe: Who Was God Referring To, When He Said Come Let's Make Man In Our Own Image? by thinkmoney(m): 8:10pm On Dec 06, 2020
freshboi88:
A close minded fellow asking me to be open minded. Your summation is consistent with the picture you have painted for the Bible.

I asked u a question u failed to answer. So did God not have Wisdom and Power before he created Jesus Mr consistent?
Your personality like smoke is perceivable even from afar. You are unteachable. I have expressly answered your question even with examples. Show somebody beside you who has a more gathered mind our correspondence, and they will tell you God has power and wisom, that Jesus is one prime expression of his wisdom and power.
I can't continue with you. I see your motives and mindset already. I didn't respond to that post to be going back and forth with a somebody that is not collected enough to see even the most obvious logic however one tries. I leave you now to God
Christianity EtcRe: Who Was God Referring To, When He Said Come Let's Make Man In Our Own Image? by thinkmoney(m): 6:36pm On Dec 06, 2020
femi4:
In the passage in Colossians the idea of Jesus as firstborn means that He is preeminent over creation not that He is a created being. This can be seen from the verses that follow.

For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together (Colossians 1:16,17).

Learn to read before and after verses to avoid quoting out of context


Once again this context helps us understand the meaning of Proverbs 8:22. Since the speaker in Proverbs 8:22 is called “me,” we need to discover if the context reveals the identity of the speaker. It does. The identity of “me” is given in Proverbs 8:12.

I, wisdom, dwell with prudence,
And I find knowledge and discretion.
Proverbs 8:12
I see you. You have gone online to do quick study. That's commendable, you couldn't get good explanation for the Proverbs 8 obviously though.
Being consistent with context. In that collisians verse 17, it tells us he is before all things. This is a pointer that the firstborn here isn't talking about preeminence but rating about who and what first came. There are twisters of God's words everywhere, even online. One as to listen to the Bible itself above all. That verse actually have shown it is talking about Jesus coming first before all other things. Other verse of the Bible like that Proverbs 8 conform with this interpretation
Now that Proverbs 8 uses wisdom to metaphorically represent Jesus. This is confirmed by another part of the Bible that says JESUS IS THE WISDOM AND POWER OF GOD.


To add; every other place that firstborn so and so was used regarding Jesus talks about position not preeminence e.g first born son, firstborn from the dead.
You see interpreting Bible is simple. U don't take things in isolation but you cross reference and use other part of the Bible to help ascertain parts.
You see now that preeminence interpretation doesn't hold in Jesus case especially when it comes to how 'firstborn ....' is used?
Christianity EtcRe: Who Was God Referring To, When He Said Come Let's Make Man In Our Own Image? by thinkmoney(m): 4:59pm On Dec 06, 2020
freshboi88:
Figurative Discriminationhuh..What the hell is that?..never heard that one before.

What u call fact is actually ur own interpretation. It is not scriptural. If Jesus is the Wisdom and Power of God.

Does it mean God did not have Wisdom before he created Jesus. If Jesus is his power, what power was then used to create Jesus?
Typo and you know that. I have corrected it and it's 'representation' I meant to type.
You should be open minded please.
I got everything I have said from the Bible. There isn't anything like my own interpretation. Bible interpretes itself. And my summation is consistent with the picture Bible paints generally.
You should be smarter than the way you went about that wisdom and power. What the Bible meant by that is that Jesus is a prime evidence of those qualities.
Example, you see a beautiful road, you might say, that's Dangote construction company's wisdom. And you see the destruction a storm caused, you might exclaim, wow, that's the power of water.
Christianity EtcRe: Who Was God Referring To, When He Said Come Let's Make Man In Our Own Image? by thinkmoney(m): 4:16pm On Dec 06, 2020
freshboi88:
Where did proverbs 8 tell us Jesus was a chief worker?....I have gone through the chapter several times and I cannot find Jesus's name mentioned in the whole chapter
Proverbs 8 is a figurative representation of Jesus. He is the wisdom in that Proverbs 8.
This fact is confirmed in the new testament where it's said that Jesus is the WISDOM and power of God.
Christianity EtcRe: Who Was God Referring To, When He Said Come Let's Make Man In Our Own Image? by thinkmoney(m): 3:31pm On Dec 06, 2020
femi4:
He's equal in ATTRIBUTES with God the Father but He's not the Father. If you know him, you have known the Father cos the Father gave him free role to operates in ALL his attributes

Jn 10:29-30

I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all c ; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”

He doesn't have begining
John 1:1 In the beginning was the word


He wasn't created

Colossians 1:16 “For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities;
When you talk of attributes now I don't know what you specifically mean.
The Bible expressively reffered to him as the first born of all creation. The begotten.
Proverbs 8, made us understand that God formed him from the VERY beginning of his works.
He is said to be with God from the beginning because he is the first begotten. First created, the Bible said God then use him to create ALL OTHER things.
He being said to be one with God, isn't that he is the very God, it means he is United in purpose with God. In that very place that Jesus said he is one with God, he also said he is one with is disciples. In that context, we, barring any mischief recongnised the disciples ate United with him just like he is United with God. They are not one entity.
Jesus by his own testimony said , 'the father is greater than I am', in another place he said he can't do anything of his own accord that he gives what he gets from the father. And thank God you said God GAVE him free role.
The understanding we get from the Bible is that he is a worthy and perfect representative of his father. Just as people can say of a good son that manages is father's empire, 'that if you see Mr Balogun junior, you have seen his father, Balogun senior, they are in agreement. His father trust and support him. They are one'.
Christianity EtcRe: Who Was God Referring To, When He Said Come Let's Make Man In Our Own Image? by thinkmoney(m): 2:00pm On Dec 06, 2020
Jiokejohn:
That same Hebrew chapter 1 clearly stated that Almighty GOD called none but Jesus Christ 'GOD'. My brother, on what basis should we argue further? Remember, it was written in quotes to buttress the fact that Almighty GOD is speaking.
We are not the author. We met the holy book and believe. So it is an undermine to our integrity to argue the obvious written and established facts.
Meanwhile, I acknowledge your contributions because it really shaped ours learning and knowledge.
Thank you for the humility you showed by acknowledging my contribution.
What I hope to established is that being called a god doesn't mean you deserve our worship. Many people human beings and spirit creatures were called God even by Jesus (Jehovah in the old testament also recognise their were idols called god's), but to christians and followers of Jesus, there is only one almighty God we are to worship.
This almighty God is distinct from and superior to Jesus. Can you imagine Satan tempting the almighty God? No. But he tempted Jesus, he wanted Jesus not to betray himself (which is impossible) but to betray God almighty. But happily, Jesus responded to one of his temptation, where Satan asked for worship, by telling Satan to be gone! That it is almighty Jehovah alone that should be worshiped.
To now go back to the question that brought about this; it is Jesus, the chief worker, that God was corresponding with when he said "let us make man in our image..." Angels too where witness to the world's creation as job made us know. However, angels too infact all other things where created by Jesus through the help and authorisation of Jehovah God almighty
FamilyRe: A Man Died, Buried, Appeared In Another Land Where Nobody Knows Him by thinkmoney(m): 1:46pm On Dec 06, 2020
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Christianity EtcRe: Who Was God Referring To, When He Said Come Let's Make Man In Our Own Image? by thinkmoney(m): 1:44pm On Dec 06, 2020
femi4:
He's God the son, nobody claimed that he's God the Father. Don't get it twisted
I want a clarification from you to be sure of your stance really, because in truth there are actually different trinitarian theologies.
Is he equal with God the Father? Is he of the same age? Does he have a beginning. Was he created? Is he of equal authority with God.
Many trinitarians offer a very unnatural and confusing picture that, Trinity doesn't contain three persons but one person in different dimensions. If this is your take? Stephens vision rubbishes that. But answer those questions if it's not your take
Christianity EtcRe: Who Was God Referring To, When He Said Come Let's Make Man In Our Own Image? by thinkmoney(m): 11:07am On Dec 06, 2020
femi4:
While on Earth, He displayed both attributes of Man and God. He was both according to John 1:14

The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
I told you of the vision Stephen saw of God even in heaven now, where Jesus, a different entity, sat by God (not in God)
It was the fulfilment of the Bible where it said; Jehovah said to my Lord (kjv translated this rather confusingly by saying my LORD {in capitals} said to my Lord...), sit down at my right hand side untill I make your enemies your footstool.
Christianity EtcRe: Who Was God Referring To, When He Said Come Let's Make Man In Our Own Image? by thinkmoney(m): 11:01am On Dec 06, 2020
Jiokejohn:
For clarification, Jesus Christ was on earth to fulfill a mission. Never to express or manifest His GOD nature. He chose part of humility.
Read Hebrew 1:1-14.
According to the scripture, Hebrew 1:8&9, Almighty GOD called Jesus Christ, 'GOD'.
Below is my reference:
Hebrews 1:8-9
[8]But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
[9]You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
This is not my claim. It is biblical text. Everyone can read and understand.
{If I got it wrong, please redirect or clarify}
You got that Bible verse completely right, but it goes beyond me many at times how you people manage to ignore even the Bible u quote.
The Bible made it clear that several people and angels even devil were referred to as gods. God means sombody Devine and/or powerful. The verse 9 of the Hebrew you quoted like John, mentioned 2 (not even 3) gods...it then however and rather gloriously said THEREFORE GOD, YOUR GOD AS ANOINTED (which means appointed/mandated/honor) YOU...
See the almighty God, the supreme, anoited this mighty god Jesus.
Like Jehovah God was a God to the mighty god Jesus, he is to us the one and only Almighty God. The absolute, the God we alone together with other lesser powerful beings (gods) including Jesus worship. No other God can be worshiped though there are countless others.
That's why Exodus said Jehovah YOUR GOD oh Israel is one Jehovah.
Christianity EtcRe: Is Eating In A Dream Necessarily Bad? by thinkmoney(m): 10:45am On Dec 06, 2020
Jfrankination:
Well, it depends.
When i was still living in face me, i slap you. There was this man that said he had a dream where a woman fed him and unfortunately the woman was also living in our compound before her death. Make i cut the long story short because today nah Sunday, the man did weeks later.
Weeks later not even that day. Coincidence simple. The Bible doesn't say anything against it. You even Bleep in dreams if your agro don high and ur body needs relieving naturally.
If una say African tradition reads meaning to it, I can't argue with u. But the Bible has said nothing about it, and I won't curse myself by adding to the bible
Christianity EtcRe: Who Was God Referring To, When He Said Come Let's Make Man In Our Own Image? by thinkmoney(m): 10:34am On Dec 06, 2020
Jiokejohn:
I commend you. But I disagree with you.
My Bible rightly emphasized that Jesus Christ is GOD.
Just that Jesus Christ is embodiment of humility while physically present on it.
{if you need clarifications, I will explain with biblical facts and quotations.}
Be careful of the antics of Satan. The majority of Christendom claims Trinity is the corner Stone of their faith. But the Bible made us know that the majority of Christendom will perish. In and amonst them is the fulfilment of false doctrines that will arise.
Jesus cried, prayed to God (God never prayed to anybody), wished the cup of death could be taken away, DIED literally and to all purpose (else his sacrifice would have been a scam and inadequate, for somebody sinless must die to save the world) but God never sleeps or slumper, lacks the knowledge of the exact time of the end ( if he were in God, won't he naturally have that knowledge?), He didn't leave us in doubt when he said he was sent and he is lesser than God the sender, he also said he is ascending to God is Lord our Lord is God our God (no minscing words about the relationship even as it applied to we humans, moreover when Stephen was dying, in fulfillment of a prophesy didnt see one person with three heads in heaven but saw Jesus sat beside God in glory, a distinct entity even in heaven. Revelation buttressed this when he said Jesus like a slain lamp, took his sacrifice and presented it before God in heaven.
Nobody can see the almighty God and live, but many people have seen the mighty god Jesus, touched him and even at least on one occasion kissed him. Hallelujah
Christianity EtcRe: Who Was God Referring To, When He Said Come Let's Make Man In Our Own Image? by thinkmoney(m): 10:19am On Dec 06, 2020
MrPRevailer:
Colossians 1:16 "For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
The concluding words clarified the whole thing; FOR IT PLEASED THE FATHER.
The father made him and used him to create all things. Another part of the Bible said all things are placed under him, however that same part quickly went further to clarify that if all things were 'placed' under him, those things doesn't include the person placing it under him. That person is God the Father, Jehovah. That part of the Bible then ends like ; "so that God can be all in all". The absolute. The finality!

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