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MaxInDHouse:You are now taking the discourse into that of association. However, you are right in some of your observations and I commend the courage that made you change when you got hold of the truth. You are really brave. Many so called christians cannot even come up with the courage to change from their church to another that teaches the scripture more accurately not to talk about completely cross carpeting from one religion like islam to the other. I commend you. But, I can actually give the Bible verses I quote, it's quite easy actually, only it might take more time and a little more effort. I am a bit flabbergasted by the comparison with Aquila. I leave those scriptures without putting the book or verse always with the assurance that nobody can pick them out that they aren't in the Bible. I sense you are truly passionate about taking in knowledge(for this is life,there taking in knowledge of you the only true God and of Jesus that you have sent John 17... something lol). But if truly you are one of Jehovah witnesses, I have noticed you still have work to do to catch up with what the Bible really teaches. You know at first, I didn't know how you can come up with the temporary godship of Jesus or how you explained Jesus being wisdom if you hadn't maybe gotten those ideas from some esotoric movements that doesn't preacu the truth of the Bible. I hope you understand. Talking about association, I agree with your take 100%. A good friend of mine, Adeyemi Ambrose sowed the seed of accurate knowledge of the Bible in me (I am forever grateful to him. He is a witness). I need Jehovah's grace to completely furnish me however. Because I always like to be completely certain before I take some serious steps. |
ghettokid1:If not for terrible coaching, Manchester United doesn't deserve to be knocked out |
MaxInDHouse:He is always a child/son of David, in the sense that he inherited the throne and became the king of spiritual Israel. Or do you ever stop being a child/son of your father? I didn't get any knowledge from any group. I got my knowledge only from the Bible. All my reasons have based on and backed by the bible. I used to believe and even defend Trinity, Jesus being the almighty God, at a point, and I didnt even know what Jehovah is. But I always had an open mind, I was always ready to question whatever I hear and take in/adopt new knowledge/truth. I got the accurate knowledge of the Bible gradually overtime. Now I am happy I know God by his name and I use it. I feel saved. Furthermore Jesus had been in existence in heaven before his earthly birth. Remember he told his audience at one point, that 'before David and Abraham, I was'. But he had to take on flesh and be born like every other human to be able to show us God and 'make God's name known.' importantly too, he had to be born of a virgin, without the input of a human father, so he won't inherit sin and so he can present himself a worthy sacrifice. |
MaxInDHouse:Those roles descriptions at Isaiah 9:6 are permanent my friend. Jesus was the promised upspring of David that is to inherit the kindom and become king forever (no time constraint), he also is a son of God forever. He is also always a wonderful counselor, as we are always deriving beneficial lessons from his words and deeds, moreover, the holy spirit of God he provided is there to help us. He is an everlasting father, because unlike our first father Adam, that brought about death to all mankind, Jesus through his ransom sacrifice as given everybody that believe in him the prospect of having everlasting life, in this way he as become our everlasting father, giving his children everlasting life. He is also the prince of peace, because the Bible said of him 'he is our peace, the one who has reconciled us to God'. Now, talking about being a mighty God; I have shown you the root meaning of that word God, which is translated from the Hebrew word elohe/Elohim, it means powerful one/powerful ones. The Bible made us understand that there are many gods. These people or angels that are called gods didn't really in the sense of it made themselves one. They are gods (powerful ones) by their nature and positions. And being a god doesn't automatically bestow unto any of them the right to be worshiped (only the one Almighty God has that right exclusively). Angels didn't make themselves God, they are by nature. The same applies to demons and Satan. They are all spiritually powerful. However, faithful angels never at any point abuse their powers and demand worship, only devil and the demons have. Jesus is not just a God, he is a mighty God (but not the Almighty). He will always by nature and position be a mighty god. Moreover, he always direct everybody, both humans and spirits to worship God the father alone. He reminded devil of this at his temptation. |
MaxInDHouse:Those roles descriptions at Isaiah 9:6 are rather permanent my friend. Jesus was the promised upspring of David that is to inherit the kindom and become king forever (no time constraint), he also is a son of God forever. He is also always a wonderful counselor, as we are always deriving beneficial lessons from his words and deeds, moreover, the holy spirit of God he provided is there to help us. He is an everlasting father, because unlike our first father Adam, that brought about death to all mankind, Jesus through his ransom sacrifice as given everybody that believe in him the prospect of having everlasting life, in this way he as become our everlasting father, giving his children everlasting life. He is also the prince of peace, because the Bible said of him 'he is our peace, the one who has reconciled us to God'. Now, talking about being a mighty God; I have shown you the root meaning of that word God, which is translated from the Hebrew word elohe/Elohim, it means powerful one/powerful ones. The Bible made us understand that there are many gods. These people or angels that are called gods didn't really in the sense of it made themselves one. They are gods (powerful ones) by their nature and positions. And being a god doesn't automatically bestow unto any of them the right to be worshiped (only the one Almighty God has that right exclusively). Angels didn't make themselves God, they are by nature. The same applies to demons and Satan. They are all spiritually powerful. However, faithful angels never at any point abuse their powers and demand worship, only devil and the demons have. Jesus is not just a God, he is a mighty God (but not the Almighty). He will always by nature and position be a mighty god. Moreover, he always direct everybody, both humans and spirits to worship God the father alone. He reminded devil of this at his temptation. |
MaxInDHouse:May you have peace too. Trust me, I have taken due time to really try and understand your piece. And I have checked up the verses u gave (this is the right attitude. But unfortunately many don't go that route). I agree with you that the earthly wise and highly placed religious leaders didn't recognize Jesus when he came. But he wasn't called wisdom for this. He was referred to as the wisdom of God, because aside him being the manifestation of God's wisdom in words and deeds, in him also was the fullness of God's wise plan to redeem the world. A plan that got angels and Devil dumbfunded. Devil especially was cut off guard in a lot of instances. One of those instance was when he thought he has successfully schemed to put an end to Jesus, only for Jesus to pay the ransom by his death and give hope to all mankind with his resurrection. Another place were I disagree with you is where you insinuated Godship can be given and taken from someone. That's not scripturally correct. What is scriptural is that that word God, means somebody that is powerful, that has spiritual authority. (This is the root meaning). So Jesus, angels and Devil were referred to as gods because they are spiritually powerful/influencial. Some human beings like Moses and the Pharisees were referred to as gods because they exercise some spiritual influence-moses in Egypt over pharoah and the Pharisees at the synagogue over Israel. However, Jehovah is said to be the almighty God because he is the supreme powerful spirit and he exercise absolute power and influence. This is the scripture my friend. Your position somehow makes me sense you might be an olumba follower. I might be wrong though. |
jfking2005:There are revelation of malpractice...videos and stuff. It may or not be significant but it's shameful. I am now beginning to readdress many ways I see America |
OSADNA009:I don't know about the most paying, but I know one of the most lucrative profession in Nigeria and it's the nursing profession. You can take this knowledge to the bank |
bigt2:Bless u rastaman...lol |
MrPRevailer:My friend In all my reactions here, I have proven that Jesus is a god, he is devine, however, he is not The God Almighty. It's actually people with mischievous intent over the years that have tried to rewrite the Bible to support their trinitarian sentiments. But thanksfully, this attempts have been found out. One is the alpha and Omega in revelation 1:11. It isn't their in the earliest of Bible versions and another conspicuous one is that place somewhere in 1John (not sure now) that said three bear witness in heaven. It was added to the Bible at one point. Modern versions with benefits of recent discoveries and technological advancement doesn't put these verses in their versions. Morever, the alpha and Omega in revelation 1:8 and the other two places it appears in the Bible is Jehovah God the almighty. Research this things my friend. |
MrPRevailer:What's your point exactly? I have only quoted Bible above |
envoymedia:How find it add to understand how people associate with ASSNA. Congrats bro. He is wise not to expose the baby this time, because of some mouthassassine bloggers |
freshboi88:Ehiiiii!!!!!!! Bye bye, bye bye abeg, CHIZOSSS. I never see. I pity your partner oh. Na your type dey make wrong decisions even in elections , implicate all of us. Ontop say I don proof to you with examples even grammatically that the understanding and wisdom are the same. God help you. You can't be helped any other way. Ma see wetin go make me reply u again |
freshboi88:Hmm my brother, you have to really understand Bible's way of talking and also brush up your knowledge of literature. Things that are not living things or person, but that due to literature or for effect are referred to like person are addressed with 'she'. Eg Nigeria will become stronger, SHE will take her rightful place in the committy of nations. The understanding that is mentioned is the same as wisdom. Proverbs have a way of repeating like that for effect...like when it's says for example; my son obey my WORD and do not forsake my COMMANDMENT. Here word and commandment are the same thing. You further understand this style in verse two of Proverbs 8, where after it mentioned wisdom and understanding, a singular pronoun was used for the both words; '...on the hill she (not they) take her stance. Further down in verse 12, you will see where wisdom said she dwells together with prudence and understanding. Wisdom is the subject matter here, she is emphasizing that anyone that follows her will always show understanding and exhibit prudence. In another word the person will be wise. SIMPLE. I have showed you by reference and inference, how Jesus is wisdom personified on several occasions already. But it's obvious you have chosen not to see or hear. You are even dismissing my efforts as mare grammar. Peace be upon you. I know I have sown a seed in you, I hope to God it finds in you a good ground and favorable elements |
freshboi88:Proverbs 8:34 Blessed are those who listen to me, watching daily at my doors, waiting at my doorway. 35 For those who find me find life and receive favor from the Lord. Of course we know wisdom is not a person but a quality. It's a metaphor personalising someone or something there. So, who else did the Bible say is LIFE, who else did the Bible say was with God from the beginning of creation? Who else did the Bible say God find so much pleasure in? Who embodies all these things? 1 corinthians 1:23,24. Gives us a strong clue where it said Jesus is being preached and he is the power of God and WISDOM of God. I hope to God that this makes you calm down and think. More importantly, I have once again used the Bible to explain the Bible. |
femi4:Everywhere that 'firstborn' was used in relationship with Jesus, it means first. Eg firstborn son, firstborn of the dead and in this case, firstborn of God's creation. This is the Bible my dear |
freshboi88:Like you falsely claimed I didn't answer your question s, now you infer I haven't been teaching from the scripture. Regardless of the countless reference I have made to the scripture (or because I didn't call books and numbers?) I have shown you things only from the scripture |
femi4:I see you have started throwing insult subtly. 1 Cor. 23,24 can't be more clearer;23 but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, 24 but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. And if you are talking about the message of the cross. Isn't it about the wisdom God showed in providing Jesus as the perfect sacrificial lamp? I have shown you the consistent meaning of the word firstborn when it's used regarding Jesus, and it seem as if that revelation bothers you. Furthermore, is wisdom a person? Didn't you study metaphor at school. How can wisdom do those things that the Bible told us Jesus did without it meaning its a metaphor for Christ? Besides the Bible is a book filled with a lot ofeyaphor for Christ One example is where he was referred to as the vine. I might not continue with u, the way I am perceiving your attitude and tolerance now. God be with you |
freshboi88:Your personality like smoke is perceivable even from afar. You are unteachable. I have expressly answered your question even with examples. Show somebody beside you who has a more gathered mind our correspondence, and they will tell you God has power and wisom, that Jesus is one prime expression of his wisdom and power. I can't continue with you. I see your motives and mindset already. I didn't respond to that post to be going back and forth with a somebody that is not collected enough to see even the most obvious logic however one tries. I leave you now to God |
femi4:I see you. You have gone online to do quick study. That's commendable, you couldn't get good explanation for the Proverbs 8 obviously though. Being consistent with context. In that collisians verse 17, it tells us he is before all things. This is a pointer that the firstborn here isn't talking about preeminence but rating about who and what first came. There are twisters of God's words everywhere, even online. One as to listen to the Bible itself above all. That verse actually have shown it is talking about Jesus coming first before all other things. Other verse of the Bible like that Proverbs 8 conform with this interpretation Now that Proverbs 8 uses wisdom to metaphorically represent Jesus. This is confirmed by another part of the Bible that says JESUS IS THE WISDOM AND POWER OF GOD. To add; every other place that firstborn so and so was used regarding Jesus talks about position not preeminence e.g first born son, firstborn from the dead. You see interpreting Bible is simple. U don't take things in isolation but you cross reference and use other part of the Bible to help ascertain parts. You see now that preeminence interpretation doesn't hold in Jesus case especially when it comes to how 'firstborn ....' is used? |
freshboi88:Typo and you know that. I have corrected it and it's 'representation' I meant to type. You should be open minded please. I got everything I have said from the Bible. There isn't anything like my own interpretation. Bible interpretes itself. And my summation is consistent with the picture Bible paints generally. You should be smarter than the way you went about that wisdom and power. What the Bible meant by that is that Jesus is a prime evidence of those qualities. Example, you see a beautiful road, you might say, that's Dangote construction company's wisdom. And you see the destruction a storm caused, you might exclaim, wow, that's the power of water. |
freshboi88:Proverbs 8 is a figurative representation of Jesus. He is the wisdom in that Proverbs 8. This fact is confirmed in the new testament where it's said that Jesus is the WISDOM and power of God. |
femi4:When you talk of attributes now I don't know what you specifically mean. The Bible expressively reffered to him as the first born of all creation. The begotten. Proverbs 8, made us understand that God formed him from the VERY beginning of his works. He is said to be with God from the beginning because he is the first begotten. First created, the Bible said God then use him to create ALL OTHER things. He being said to be one with God, isn't that he is the very God, it means he is United in purpose with God. In that very place that Jesus said he is one with God, he also said he is one with is disciples. In that context, we, barring any mischief recongnised the disciples ate United with him just like he is United with God. They are not one entity. Jesus by his own testimony said , 'the father is greater than I am', in another place he said he can't do anything of his own accord that he gives what he gets from the father. And thank God you said God GAVE him free role. The understanding we get from the Bible is that he is a worthy and perfect representative of his father. Just as people can say of a good son that manages is father's empire, 'that if you see Mr Balogun junior, you have seen his father, Balogun senior, they are in agreement. His father trust and support him. They are one'. |
Jiokejohn:Thank you for the humility you showed by acknowledging my contribution. What I hope to established is that being called a god doesn't mean you deserve our worship. Many people human beings and spirit creatures were called God even by Jesus (Jehovah in the old testament also recognise their were idols called god's), but to christians and followers of Jesus, there is only one almighty God we are to worship. This almighty God is distinct from and superior to Jesus. Can you imagine Satan tempting the almighty God? No. But he tempted Jesus, he wanted Jesus not to betray himself (which is impossible) but to betray God almighty. But happily, Jesus responded to one of his temptation, where Satan asked for worship, by telling Satan to be gone! That it is almighty Jehovah alone that should be worshiped. To now go back to the question that brought about this; it is Jesus, the chief worker, that God was corresponding with when he said "let us make man in our image..." Angels too where witness to the world's creation as job made us know. However, angels too infact all other things where created by Jesus through the help and authorisation of Jehovah God almighty |
LegendAnselm:Ok, thank you. How do I chat u privately then? |
femi4:I want a clarification from you to be sure of your stance really, because in truth there are actually different trinitarian theologies. Is he equal with God the Father? Is he of the same age? Does he have a beginning. Was he created? Is he of equal authority with God. Many trinitarians offer a very unnatural and confusing picture that, Trinity doesn't contain three persons but one person in different dimensions. If this is your take? Stephens vision rubbishes that. But answer those questions if it's not your take |
femi4:I told you of the vision Stephen saw of God even in heaven now, where Jesus, a different entity, sat by God (not in God) It was the fulfilment of the Bible where it said; Jehovah said to my Lord (kjv translated this rather confusingly by saying my LORD {in capitals} said to my Lord...), sit down at my right hand side untill I make your enemies your footstool. |
Jiokejohn:You got that Bible verse completely right, but it goes beyond me many at times how you people manage to ignore even the Bible u quote. The Bible made it clear that several people and angels even devil were referred to as gods. God means sombody Devine and/or powerful. The verse 9 of the Hebrew you quoted like John, mentioned 2 (not even 3) gods...it then however and rather gloriously said THEREFORE GOD, YOUR GOD AS ANOINTED (which means appointed/mandated/honor) YOU... See the almighty God, the supreme, anoited this mighty god Jesus. Like Jehovah God was a God to the mighty god Jesus, he is to us the one and only Almighty God. The absolute, the God we alone together with other lesser powerful beings (gods) including Jesus worship. No other God can be worshiped though there are countless others. That's why Exodus said Jehovah YOUR GOD oh Israel is one Jehovah. |
Jfrankination:Weeks later not even that day. Coincidence simple. The Bible doesn't say anything against it. You even Bleep in dreams if your agro don high and ur body needs relieving naturally. If una say African tradition reads meaning to it, I can't argue with u. But the Bible has said nothing about it, and I won't curse myself by adding to the bible |
Jiokejohn:Be careful of the antics of Satan. The majority of Christendom claims Trinity is the corner Stone of their faith. But the Bible made us know that the majority of Christendom will perish. In and amonst them is the fulfilment of false doctrines that will arise. Jesus cried, prayed to God (God never prayed to anybody), wished the cup of death could be taken away, DIED literally and to all purpose (else his sacrifice would have been a scam and inadequate, for somebody sinless must die to save the world) but God never sleeps or slumper, lacks the knowledge of the exact time of the end ( if he were in God, won't he naturally have that knowledge?), He didn't leave us in doubt when he said he was sent and he is lesser than God the sender, he also said he is ascending to God is Lord our Lord is God our God (no minscing words about the relationship even as it applied to we humans, moreover when Stephen was dying, in fulfillment of a prophesy didnt see one person with three heads in heaven but saw Jesus sat beside God in glory, a distinct entity even in heaven. Revelation buttressed this when he said Jesus like a slain lamp, took his sacrifice and presented it before God in heaven. Nobody can see the almighty God and live, but many people have seen the mighty god Jesus, touched him and even at least on one occasion kissed him. Hallelujah |
MrPRevailer:The concluding words clarified the whole thing; FOR IT PLEASED THE FATHER. The father made him and used him to create all things. Another part of the Bible said all things are placed under him, however that same part quickly went further to clarify that if all things were 'placed' under him, those things doesn't include the person placing it under him. That person is God the Father, Jehovah. That part of the Bible then ends like ; "so that God can be all in all". The absolute. The finality! |
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..What the hell is that?..never heard that one before.