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 Christianity Etc › Re: The Gospel Message: Is It For Or Against Prosperity? by Tonyet1(m): 2:29pm On Jan 29, 2010 |
And to you Ttalks again, that collection as was given to the saints was born out of the need to help the saints in Jerusalem. *mark the keyword "NEED"* Today we as christians are expected to give collections at least always because there are PEOPLE WITH NEEDS EVERYWHERE EVERYTIME EVERYDAY , we dont need to wait until a specific type occurs like disasters et al. Look at that child in your compound - He has a need , therefore a collection should be made, Look at that widow in the church - She must have a need too, therefore collection should be made, there are a thousand and one persons today who needs our help therfore it is very important that COLLECTIONS ARE MADE TIMELY which is the reason why we give offerings often. God bless you! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Gospel Message: Is It For Or Against Prosperity? by Tonyet1(m): 2:23pm On Jan 29, 2010 |
Ttalks, First we must understand the purpose of Jesus' coming - It was to reconcile Man back to God by bringing him into his original state. Jesus had a specific reason for coming here and this he said A perfect example is this when he said ". . .my meat is to do the will of Him who sent me and to finish it"and this comment he made when he was hungry and his disciples offered him something which he refused. So shall we now say because he rejected a physical food in his bid to fulfill a spiritual food means the former was not relevant? Jesus had no time to preach prosperity except thru' few parables, because it was not the issue at hand prior to his death, the issue at hand was the REDEMPTION of the lost soul. Yes i agree anytime anyday that the major issue was the kingdom of God afterthis something should come next. Recall when he said "seek ye first God's kingdom and its righteous doings and everyother thing shall be added " what are those other things that should be added if properity was not to be included. I think it is very important we understand that man is a spirit being with material frame in his physical state. Inasmuch as there is a need to give food to the spiritual man there is also the need to give material food to the physical side if man must survive physically again Inasmuch as there is a need to give health to the spiritual man there is also the need to give material health to the physical side if man must survive physically.i am not talking about the FLESH dont get me wrong. If everything about man was to be spiritual then i say there should be no need to eat physical food, nor wear clothes nor relate with anything physical. After Jesus had finished feeding the multitude with SPIRITUAL FOOD for 3days, HE HIMSELF SAW THE NEED TO FEED THEM WITH PHYSICAL FOOD and he did this, in our world today we may not be so opportuned to multiply 5loaves and 2fishes to feed 'em 5,000, but we sure need to have something to feed the people we minister too and that is where the need for wealth comes in. God bless you! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Proverbs 20:30 - "Physical Beating Cleanses Away Evil. . ." by Tonyet1(op): 11:11am On Jan 29, 2010 |
But none of those passages used the keyword "EVIL" rather foolishness which is not the same thing as evil |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Says Tithing Is Not New Testamental? by Tonyet1(op): 11:08am On Jan 29, 2010 |
@snowwyy, Arguing the subject of tithing and giving with someone who said HIS CHURCH DOESNT GIVE OFFERING AND TITHES is like "speaking yoruba language to a person who doesnt understand yoruba and in turn is speaking igbo". Pls do yourself the good and keep giving and trust me, God will bless you indeed, trust me its working for me.! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Gospel Message: Is It For Or Against Prosperity? by Tonyet1(m): 10:59am On Jan 29, 2010 |
@Joagbaje, Let me tell you a little about my brother KunleOshob, from my little stay here in this religious section - i have known him as someone who cannot say a thing and stand bold to it even in the face of ridicule so he chooses to always use the word "WE" to maybe get some comrades who'll back him. And yet he calls himself a CHRISTIAN  - He barely writes anything in detail to butress his points, but will choose to copy and paste what others have written to back and butress him assertions  - He is wholly against the Gospel when Prosperity is preached, yet i wonder if he even gives at all  - I asked him once if his church even believes in offerings and KunleOshob said NO they dont take offerings, so any argument with him will be an exercise in futility as he is void of the knowledge of the topic - Giving. That's kunle for you! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Gospel Message: Is It For Or Against Prosperity? by Tonyet1(m): 10:40am On Jan 29, 2010 |
Craving for prosperity is one thing different from Praying for prosperity when the intentions are good and born out of sincerity. Dont get it twisted my friend. @Poster, My brother, the gospel is a full package which was aimed at bringing man to his perfect design which he lost in the garden of Eden. These are some of the Full packages: 1. Man was designed to feloowship and have communion with God in spirit since God was a spirit 2. Man was ordained to be prince on earth after YHWH El-loyim which was why he was given dominion over everything on earth 3. Man was built and put in a paradise which had all the best of physical and material things. Gold, diamond, sapphire and every good thing we pray for today so long as it was meant to give God glory. Gen 2:10-15 10 A river watering the garden flowed from Eden; from there it was separated into four headwaters. 11 The name of the first is the Pishon; it winds through the entire land of Havilah, where there is gold. 12(The gold of that land is good; aromatic resin and onyx are also there.) 13 The name of the second river is the Gihon; it winds through the entire land of Cush. 14 The name of the third river is the Tigris; it runs along the east side of Asshur. And the fourth river is the Euphrates. 15 The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it.NIV In another portion of the bible, God said >>>". . .ask me and i'll give the the riches of the heathens for YOUR POSSESSION >>>". . .I the Lord, i giveth thee the POWER TO MAKE WEALTH >>>". . . Honor the Lord with your substance, the shall YOUR BARNS BE FILLED WITH PLENTIFUL AND BOOST" My God gives PROSPERITY UNTO THE MAN WHOSE HEART IS RIGHT AND SINCERE, prosperity is not wrong. So for someone to say PROSPERITY should be skipped is like saying THE GOSPEL (good news of man's redemption) should be taught incomplete. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Proverbs 20:30 - "Physical Beating Cleanses Away Evil. . ." by Tonyet1(op): 10:19am On Jan 29, 2010 |
Nuclearboy, I know God takes us [CHRISTIANS] thru' paths of trials and temptations to make us strong and thus purified. That i agree no doubt!. And this He does thru' hunger, perils, unclothedness, rejection, persecution. Like Jesus said to Peter in Luke 22:32". . .I have prayed for you, when you overcome and are strong, strengthen the brethren [*mark the keyword-BRETHREN*] But there is something no one seem to be getting clear here. That passage of Proverbs is actually talking about A PHYSICAL BLOW as a means to CLEANSE EVIL, i dont think it has anything related with stuffs like giving us HUNGER, REJECTIONS to purify us, besides God's purging has to do with BRINGING OUT A GOLD IN US, while Prov.20:30 has to do with CASTING OUT SPIRITS. I feel there is a mysterious truth everyone seem to be dodging. Pls explain! |
| Jokes Etc › Re: Pix Talk by Tonyet1(m): 4:51pm On Jan 28, 2010 |
 romsky bobo how you dey na?  |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Proverbs 20:30 - "Physical Beating Cleanses Away Evil. . ." by Tonyet1(op): 4:43pm On Jan 28, 2010 |
JeSoul:J-Babe, you know i cant do a thing like that na  , but i feel there is something spiritual to the practise even though western civilization seem to be giving contrast to the subject. Check every ancestral pacts they made use of the custom. dont you think there is something we aint knowing about?Reason why i need clerifications.! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Proverbs 20:30 - "Physical Beating Cleanses Away Evil. . ." by Tonyet1(op): 4:42pm On Jan 28, 2010 |
@AIO, Brother, thanx bro for that vix exactly what i m kinda thinking that passage relates to although Ttalks seem to be coming from a different angle. First of all, to me the term EVIL is an abstract word and INTANGIBLE in its nature, we dont see evil rather we use things to describe and relate to it. One can be said to be evil when you have the aura of evil in and around you howbeit this aura is not seen but perceived by a person's act. Meaning EVIL IS A SPIRIT that is percieved. Example: King Saul was said to be possessed with râ‛âh rûach because he acted in a way in which people with râ‛âh acted. Mr.Ttalks, pls dont tell me you havent come across scenes of people casting out EVIL SPIRITs with wipes. A good topical will reveal that this practise was done by even the ancients in which the Jews fell into. Now one thing i dont know for sure is "DID THE JEWS JOIN IN THIS PRACTISE" for the writter of that portion of Proverbs 20:30 to have written it plainly in the bible |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Proverbs 20:30 - "Physical Beating Cleanses Away Evil. . ." by Tonyet1(op): 3:33pm On Jan 28, 2010 |
Ok brother, How then would you define or describe EVIL. *pardon my many questions i am trying to arrive somewhere and you are getting closer* |
| Sports › Re: Nigeria Vs Ghana [0 - 1] by Tonyet1(m): 3:29pm On Jan 28, 2010 |
Does it mean Martino aint starting the match! *on my knees praying for our chickenses* |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who is your Favorite Popular Pastor or Preacher in Nigeria? by Tonyet1(m): 3:15pm On Jan 28, 2010 |
hbabe:Hbabe am i right to say that you are an EFIK |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Proverbs 20:30 - "Physical Beating Cleanses Away Evil. . ." by Tonyet1(op): 3:08pm On Jan 28, 2010 |
ttalks:Good! if you've agreed to say the evil used there was as the same as that used to explain King Saul's evil, then lets also see it this way King Saul was possessed with "râ‛âh[evil spirit]" and it was pacified through a physical means, would i be wrong now to postulate that A PHYSICAL MEANS IS NEEDED TO CASTING EVIL SPIRITS? Ttalks, the onus is that i think one of the means to cleanse evil spirits was the use of the means of wipes and strokes. The term evil could be synonymous with the term DEMON(i wish i m wrong to say this). |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Proverbs 20:30 - "Physical Beating Cleanses Away Evil. . ." by Tonyet1(op): 2:36pm On Jan 28, 2010 |
KunleOshob:@KunleOshob, Behind my screen watching them tagging you a crook! Back to the Topic: I disagree with you when you say that the book of proverbs means nothing more that just a collection of man's wisdom. Recall "All scriptures are given by God" including the book of Proverbs, and these books were not really written in English language and as such could mean understanding the languages in which they were written. My brother, i marveled at explanations i got while reading some topicals and references. That portion means more than a mere interpretation. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Proverbs 20:30 - "Physical Beating Cleanses Away Evil. . ." by Tonyet1(op): 2:28pm On Jan 28, 2010 |
@Tudor Dont worry when i get my pesticide i will do the needful to you!  @Ttalks, Yeah i appreciate that contribution, but i think what that passage suggests is actually the casting away of AN EVIL SPIRIT and not necessarily some correction from a vice(s). I read a Hebrew bible and saw that the term Evil as used there meant the same as "the evil spirit that King Saul had" and needed a harpist to play and pacify. I have been so afraid to agree to what my mind is pointing to. |
| Christianity Etc › Proverbs 20:30 - "Physical Beating Cleanses Away Evil. . ." by Tonyet1(op): 11:33am On Jan 28, 2010 |
Greetings to everyone in da house, I came across this passage last nite and i must say its been really disturbing hence i felt to seek better clarities here from christians. This is what the passage says: NLT bible Proverbs 20:30- " Physical punishment cleanses away evil; such discipline purifies the heart. "NLT NIV bible Proverbs 20:30- " Blows and wounds cleanse away evil, and beatings purge the inmost being. NIV What exactly is the bible trying to say here, could it mean that "there is a pact of casting demons and evil spirits that involved the use of wipes" I appreciate all topic related contributions. |
| Family › Re: How Do I Make Twins? by Tonyet1(m): 10:55am On Jan 22, 2010 |
A lady who recently gave birth to twins in my hood told us she used fertility drugs, saying with such she could even have as much a quinteplets if she desired as she doesnt need to have twins genes or whatever, the drugs simply divide the zygote. @poster, Google "fertility drugs* for more researches Twins! i personally dont like nor pray to have them |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Says Tithing Is Not New Testamental? by Tonyet1(op): 10:05am On Jan 22, 2010 |
And now to answer your question Annunaki ( planet x prophet) ,Its no wrong to say that alot of prophets and scribes are thieves and greedy folks especially when it has to do with money, That i have constantly agreed with Kunle and other friends here like ttalks, Zikkyy and ogajim. I have said it here time and time again that yes i am against those preachers who use subtile and cunning means to fleece the sheep God has put under their care *for those who care to read it pls refer to #1 of this thread tagged "why should i give when the MOGs make a mess of my money*. In alot of todays churches we hear of things like ANOINTING OIL FOR PROSPERITY, you hear of 7 HANDKERCHIEFS POWERS FOR WEALTH and all other rubbish practises that are wholly unscriptural. Now its such practises i can say the book of Jeremiah outrightly warned against. But when it comes to tithing and offerings and someone comes here to say the bible never instructed us to practise such even in the very sight of scriptures is really disturbing and unwise especially when such a person cant seem to come up with a tangible proofs to butress their point aside calling the act A LAW. I have given reasons why i feel in MY LITTLE OPINION that the practise is still valid, and for those who followed the thread i said in my first post that i used to pay tithe without a good knowledge and later i stopped because of the mockery people made regarding the ACT, i suffered! my finance drained and i was no better than a pauper amidst a pay check of hundreds of thousands monthly. Some weeks later i heard a good mentor preach extensibly on the topic and i resorted to buying books (like zikky called it *greek books* ) to read better and today i have a good knowledge on the topic and i started paying my tithe (but this time with good knowledge) and things kicked up in no time with promotions and rises here and there. *am not saying this things to feel big but as a testimony of what a simple obedience in knowledge can do*.Yes i believe that these fake preachers can even manipulate their flocks in areas of tithing but then the question is this "DOES THAT NOW MAKE TITHING AN EVIL THING?" if you say yes then prove it! It was even in my research i came to learn that the act and custom was not even mentioned as a Law. Tithing is as old as the subject of covenant itself.!anyone who comes here to say tithing is a LAW is as good as the HYPOCRITE PHARISEES who would not want to enter heaven and still yet hinder others from entering. Kunle how i wish you understand the consequence of fighting a wrong course. Be careful! Over 92% of the body of Christ pay tithes today these people are not so stupi.id as not to know if the act was wrong or not. >>>Luke 11:52 - "Woe to you experts in the law, because you have taken away the key to knowledge. [b]You yourselves have not entered, and you have hindered those who were entering."[/b]NIV 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Says Tithing Is Not New Testamental? by Tonyet1(op): 9:24am On Jan 22, 2010 |
@Annunaki (x planet bug) and KunleOloshi, Why the sudden quote from an Old testament book (ezekiel), i thought your crusade was that the OT books are useless and invalid. butcha hypocrites! looking for justifiable reasons to keep their moneys to themselves and expect God to rain physical means to helping the gospel. I weep in Hausa you guys are so confused and desperate!. Allah!  |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Says Tithing Is Not New Testamental? by Tonyet1(op): 4:16pm On Jan 21, 2010 |
Zikkyy:Zikkyy you just tickled me You're very funny! I could stop laffing here. Allah! btw you know i cant do that na? na wa for u o |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Says Tithing Is Not New Testamental? by Tonyet1(op): 11:52am On Jan 21, 2010 |
Mr Zikkyy, I have already done a detail and comprehension on the topic and as such will not be making sumptous post ANYMORE! Click here if you want more explanation about the topic |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Says Tithing Is Not New Testamental? by Tonyet1(op): 11:44am On Jan 21, 2010 |
afiq:Is tithing a LAW? prove it! and again YOU SHOULD ALSO GO AHEAD AND SAY SINCE WE ARE NOT UNDER THE OT LAW, WE ARE NOT REQUIRED TO ABSTAIN FROM FORNICATION. *sighs* afiq:U think so? Lets see Matt.23:23 - He [Jesus] said to them practise Mercy, practise justice, practise faithfulness and also do not neglect to practise tithing.(English paraphrased version) Mr.Afiq, pls who made this scriptural quote above? afiq:True talk, which makes Tithing a giving beyong percentile borders abi? na u talk o because one of the ways the church and its clerics were cartered for was thru' tithing,trailing the days of Abraham AND on the second note, no one has ever said it must be in moentary terms.afiq:But the clerics [church workers] need money as well as the widows, orphans to make a living. 1 Cor 9: >>> 13[b] Don't you know that those who work in the temple get their food from the temple[/b], and those who serve at the altar share in what is offered on the altar? >>>14 In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel. Thanx! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Says Tithing Is Not New Testamental? by Tonyet1(op): 11:04am On Jan 21, 2010 |
aletheia:Do you even read the bible, maybe i should help you! 2 Tim 3:16 - All Scripture is Given by God and is useful for teaching, rebuking, doctrine and training in righteousness, NIV |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Says Tithing Is Not New Testamental? by Tonyet1(op): 10:57am On Jan 21, 2010 |
ogajim:Is that what the topic is all about? Ogajim *shakes head* |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Says Tithing Is Not New Testamental? by Tonyet1(op): 10:46am On Jan 21, 2010 |
ogajim:Goooshhhhh, Ogajim to be candid your posts are getting so dumb by each passing thread here. Ok what do you understand by FREEWILL OFFERINGS that you've been preaching here and there like a suckler.  |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Where Is Noetic? ? ? by Tonyet1(m): 10:29am On Jan 21, 2010 |
Mavenb0x:Omoge Maven  |
| Sports › Re: Amodu Remains Eagles' Coach - NFF by Tonyet1(m): 10:08am On Jan 21, 2010 |
Anyone saying Nigerians should rest their case about sacking that monument becos his 15yr old beat a 3yr old black-n-blue then i'll tag such people as sycophants better still COWARDS! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Says Tithing Is Not New Testamental? by Tonyet1(op): 5:31pm On Jan 20, 2010 |
Kunle, If you boldly and shamelessly come here to say Paul only taught Timothy and titus about running the church without lessons of making a living for themselves from the same gospel. then i'll say you are all men most hypocrite! 1 Cor 9: >>> 13 Don't you know that those who work in the temple get their food from the temple, and those who serve at the altar share in what is offered on the altar? >>>14 In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel. NIV I wish the day you'll wake up from this self delusion of deceit and rantings and embrace the simple truth in God's word |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Says Tithing Is Not New Testamental? by Tonyet1(op): 5:23pm On Jan 20, 2010 |
Ttalks and Ogajim, I laugh in disgust, if at this stage you read the bible and say characters should not be interpreted as "figuratives" and "symbolics" but direct personalities, then needless replying the both. Because it'll simply mean that for us to perform the miracles Jesus did, then we would all have to put on a garment and possibly tell our followers to start wearing jewish garments just to ritually portrait how it was in his days. That my friends is plain stupi.idity! Every act and deeds by Jesus is today meant for our interpretation with the times and seasons we find ourselves. When the people brought the question of taxing to Jesus and who should receive the tax, the bible said "he knew they came to test him " and as such answered them relatively. Caesar in that passage connotes our material obligations to our fellow man, while "the things of God should be for God" I pray you both will not be deluded again! *How i wish i could get the whole day here to field questions from napkin-Xtians safe for my time consuming job* |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Says Tithing Is Not New Testamental? by Tonyet1(op): 5:09pm On Jan 20, 2010 |
KunleOshob:Kunleoshob, Your problem is always your inability to understand a simple concept that will not cost a toddler a thing to figure out. All thru' the NT the word Christianity was only mentioned 4times.Showing its irrelevance becos the name came as a concept that will give birth to a religion called CHRISTIANITY. It was when the apostles appeared in Antioch they were called Christians hence the concept began. Reckoning with the concept means towing the pact of RELIGION no wonder Jesus did not even call anyone such that’s the reason I quoted that passage that says “if the name was such a big deal then Jesus himself would have rose to say to his disciples THAT THEY WILL BE CHRISTIANS AFTER THAT THE HOLYGHOST IS COME UPON THEM. Do you understand? Any dumb asserting that christianity began in the day of pentecost should simply rethink. What was the purpose of the pentecost, was it to give people the name "christians" or to receive the endewment of the Holy Ghost power. Simple! The pentecost had absolutely nothing to do with "THE NAME CHRISTIANITY" it was in Antioch (301BC) they were given the name, becos the Antiochs of syria were under the Roman rulership and as such were quick to classify people who had the similar beliefs under a RELIGIOUS UMBRELLA hence the reason why the Apostles where called CHRISTIANS which to me that was when CHRISTIANITY BECAME AN RECKONED AS A RELIGION. Those who followed after the teachings of Raban Gamaliel were called GAMALIANS, Paul and Apollos almost had their own religion unknown to them b4 Paul addressed the issue in 1Corinthians 3. I wish you understand my brother! You're always so quick to draw baseless conclusions that’s your problem. ! Well this is not even the topic at hand. so! |
| Sports › Re: Amodu Remains Eagles' Coach - NFF by Tonyet1(m): 3:33pm On Jan 20, 2010 |
Mr.President, you are putting more salt into the sore already, so we should forfeit the Nations cup 2010 glory because of one silly monument called Amodu gooosh! do you know what it will cost to lose yet another cup after many years of failures. It means loss of passion, loss of money and time resources, lose of respect and honor, lose of everything. You are saying we should leave Amodu to go ahead and just deliver us thru to the semis like he promised us and then come back home like some foolish and deluded tudors. rubbish I knew that man had nothing to offer when he said "His target for the eagles was only the semis" I then wondered what then happened to the 1st place.!Does he mean we are paying him from our taxes for only the semi slot. God have mercy. My friend, they say " a stitch in time saves nine" its better we let that guy go now there is still hope at least we are yet to cross the first stages of the tournament than wait yet moumor and grieve. If you ask mei'll say let Siasia or better still Amodu's asst. (Amokachi) be given a chance to come in with their game plan and formation even if it will stop us in the semis at least we know they will be promising than resting the hopes of over 100 million fans on one hopeless man called our Manager. Lets forget whether a Manager has never been replaced in an ongoing tournament and start looking at our NATIONS CUP GLORY AND WORLD CUP CHALLENGE. Simple! |
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