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Christianity EtcRe: Let's Talk About Faith (''non-wof Believers'') by Tonyet1(m): 2:27pm On Feb 24, 2010
fyneguy:
As a non-WOFer, can you please explain what Jesus meant by "'If you have faith as a mustard seed/say to mountain to move''
When Jesus said "if i have faith as a mustard seed i can move mountain" Jesus wasnt sounding literal he was sounding figuratively. How?

Recall (that's if you read the bible very well) that in that same passage his disciples could not heal a common epileptic and when Jesus arrived they asked him why they couldnt heal and he said "BECAUSE YE HAVE LITTLE FAITH" now instead of giving them BIG FAITH, He rather told them to possess a much smaller faith the size of a mustard seed if.

Now this is where thousands of fools miss it, lets say the faith they had b4 he came was the size of a nut (if we want to quantify it) yet they could not heal, why would he now say they should rather possess the size of the smallest seed on earth. does it make sense?. That should tell you that Jesus Christ was sounding figuratively there. Meaning there was something he meant by the word "MUSTARD SEED".

MUSTARD SEED is the Kingdom of God.


Matt 13:31-32 "

31 He told them another parable: "[size=14pt]The kingdom of heaven is as a mustard seed[/size], which a man took and planted in his field.

32 Though it is the smallest of all your seeds, yet when it grows, it is the largest of garden plants and becomes a tree, so that the birds of the air come and perch in its branches."  


Recall in the initial scriptures, he said IF YE HAVE FAITH AS A MUSTARD SEED, Now connecting the two, you'll come to understand that what he meant there was

". . . IF YE HAVE FAITH AS THE KINGDOM OF GOD, ye can tell this mountain to move and it will" .

What is the Kingdom of God, it a Life, it is a people, it is a belief system, it is a nature. So therefore when he said "if ye have faith like a mustard seed ye can move mountain" he meant " If ye have faith like the people under the system of God and of His nature ye can move mountain"

And pls note that this faith (the power to heal) comes in measures and the scriptures has said that

"THE EFFECTUAL FERVENT PRAYER OF THE RIGHTEOUS ONES WILL MAKE TREMEMDOUS POWER (power to heal) AVAILABLE!"
Christianity EtcRe: Do You Believe In "the End Of The World"? by Tonyet1(m): 12:11pm On Feb 24, 2010
Oga Jagunlabi,

did you really say those up here? cheesy "Change is the only constant thing they say"
Christianity EtcRe: God's Intervention Badly Wanted by Tonyet1(m): 12:07pm On Feb 24, 2010
mazaje:
Good. . . . .

Good, since you believe that nothing will be impoossible for you, I will like to bring my friends daughter who has been born blind for you to pray for her and heal her. . . My friend who is an amputee will also come along. . . . Rember nothing will be impossible for you. . . . .If you agree then I will fly them to where ever you are. . . .NO kiddo. . . .
Please do and i guarantee you IN THE NAME OF THE SON OF GOD- JESUS, your friends daughter's sight SHALL be restored. But one thing:- Will you believe?
Christianity EtcRe: Who’s Servant Are You? by Tonyet1(m): 12:03pm On Feb 24, 2010
ALLAH too! grin grin lipsrsealed
Christianity EtcRe: Alas! Its A Blood-oath Case by Tonyet1(op): 12:02pm On Feb 24, 2010
[quote author=tpia. link=topic=402951.msg5570402#msg5570402 date=1266945472]yes it will, especially since the boy is fetish.

Assuming he's the one introducing her to these things[/quote]To the note: their case has been officially reported to the church elders council albeit their absence. A friend who reported seeing my little friend yesterday said she complained of illness as she's barely taken anything of late.

I've been praying and i know with God all things are possible.
Christianity EtcRe: Alas! Its A Blood-oath Case by Tonyet1(op): 11:58am On Feb 24, 2010
Mikaela:
Teenagers when caught having s[i]e[/i]x oftenly look for excuses as to why they're doing it. Simple. This young girl has found pleasure in having intimacy but blames it on a blood oath. How can you even prove that she actually did a blood oath? Because she said so?
Yes you could be right, but when scars are sighted in similar spots common to the two people, would that still be said to be an excuse? If i were you i would rather profer a solution.
Christianity EtcRe: Alas! Its A Blood-oath Case by Tonyet1(op): 5:25pm On Feb 23, 2010
^^ Will taking her out of the vicinity solve the problem? is my question

and yes the case has been reported to the church, as at today the girl has not been found anywhere same with the boy after we held prayers last nite
Christianity EtcRe: Alas! Its A Blood-oath Case by Tonyet1(op): 4:46pm On Feb 23, 2010
[quote author=tpia. link=topic=402951.msg5569157#msg5569157 date=1266937188]the mum needs to take her away from the guy's vicinity ASAP.

and keep her away from him for at least 6 months.

lord have mercy.

He cant be a genuine Christian if he believes in blood oaths and the like. He's probably a cultist and up to no good.[/quote]@Tpia,

Advices as such as you did came thru' my mind though, but her mum is a widow managing a lil cabin with her kids and being a trader its this same girl that help mama in the market with sales.

At this state i think even if she's taken away she might still make her way thru' to this boy or eventually go insane.

As for prayers we've had series , but then a prayer with solution should be one done in agreement by both parties which they've both rejected

@Tudor,

There are two kinds of folks who make their way to threads, 1. Contributors 2. Pests

the second you are.!.
Christianity EtcAlas! Its A Blood-oath Case by Tonyet1(op): 2:15pm On Feb 23, 2010
I learnt of this yesterday and I've never being this confused all my life.

She grew up to be amongst the few ones you could look at and predict a good future for in my church, and a cool "brother" joined the church a month back this year.

He(19yrs) and She(16yrs old) both began friendship which to many including myself thought was a simple one without strings attached.

You ask my little friend about r/ship and she'll quote scriptures to tell you the norms and vices involved with the act. Trust me she was looked upon as a model by both old and young. She was "matured"!

I received a call 2 nites ago by her mum telling me her baby was acting strangely lately, in her room was pasted the pixes of her newly found love- the young lad everywhere with love inscriptions here and there. then i perceived this as unusual and fixed to talk to her last nite, to my amazement she confessed she's got involved in a blood oath with this young boy who got her into the act. angry angry angry

Presently the girl cannot stay 5mins from this boy, they've had sex like God knows how many times, she is presently looking sicky and pale. I have tried to go through almost every scripture i know but cant seem to find any case of such as a means to the solution.

Pls i need help. What can i do to save my little friend in the church. I learnt it could even lead her to insanity!
cry cry cry
Christianity EtcRe: What To Do If My Pastor's Very Attractive Wife Coms On To Me? by Tonyet1(m): 10:33am On Feb 23, 2010
parislomo:
take the cue from Joseph. . Flee from her presence
May God bless you!
RomanceRe: Pls, Am I Doing The Right Thing by Tonyet1(m): 9:23am On Feb 22, 2010
:d
Christianity EtcRe: This Guy Must Be Banned! by Tonyet1(m): 3:23pm On Feb 19, 2010
[quote author=rich_john link=topic=400454.msg5544001#msg5544001 date=1266576880]Na wa for these non-sense moderators O! One cannot express his opinion anymore abi? The forum is getting boring day by day.
Am not athiest and never will I be but I think christians are the awkward people not athiests how can you believe a book like the 'bible' when you can clearly see discrepancies all over it? Well everyone is entitled to his opinion. xtianity makes me sick[/quote]How more would it get if not from childish posts from napkin-infants like your kinds who think this community is a creche'.

More shamful is it when someone doesnt even belong to a sect yet they find themselves here spewing rubbish.
Christianity EtcRe: How Many Atheists Are Suffering From Withdrawal Symptoms? by Tonyet1(m): 3:16pm On Feb 19, 2010
Ask my boy Tudor! he's got loads of trash to tell you. trust me! grin grin
Christianity EtcRe: The Fool Says There Is No God – Na Me Talk Am! by Tonyet1(m): 3:09pm On Feb 19, 2010
Deep Sight:
MyJoe -

The biblical assertion "the fool says in his heart - there is no God" applies perfectly to the atheistic mindset.

Let me hasten to add however, that there are millions of people who do not believe in the God per se; but remain highly moralistic and apply the principle of humanist love and brotherhood to all that they interact with.

I will be inclined to saying that even if the conscious mind of such a person rejects the idea of God as expounded: the inner spirit of such a person has apprehended and absorbed the most essential principles of God.

Can such a person be called "a fool" in biblical terms?

I think not.
Mr.D.S

Apologies! BUT YOU ARE WRONG!  angry

Because the most essential principles of God are GOD himself.

To say i have apprehended and absorbed GOD would mean I HAVE BEING BIRTHED, INITIATED, and taught to/and experienced the true Life (called the ZOE) which HE HAS PASSED UNTO HIS SON TO GIVE TO THOSE WHO COME UNDER THE ABODES OF HIS LORDSHIP.

Sorry, but bible said "It has pleased God that the fulness of the Godhead should dwell in Christ Jesus"(scriptures) and Jesus said "No one can get to apprehend this Zoe except through Christ.
Christianity EtcRe: Who Is On The Side Of Love? by Tonyet1(m): 2:55pm On Feb 19, 2010
^^ Hey my friend stop acting childish here! angry angry

By definition WHAT IS AGAPE LOVE? I am not asking you to tell me what your pastor taught you.? embarassed embarassed embarassed
CelebritiesRe: D'banj Given Chieftancy Title In Abia State. by Tonyet1(m): 2:47pm On Feb 19, 2010
@THE AMAKA

I read hauler calling you a FAT GIRL , are you really a FAT PERSON? cheesy cheesy cheesy
AutosRe: TELL US YOUR BUDGET 4 YOUR DREAMZ CAR(S) AND LETS GET IT 4 YOU FROM COTONUO... by Tonyet1(m): 2:37pm On Feb 19, 2010
Check your email and pls add the 2k model too. thanx
Christianity EtcRe: Who Is On The Side Of Love? by Tonyet1(m): 1:56pm On Feb 19, 2010
^^^ and what exactly was the kind of LOVE he was admonishing us to show there. Its folks like you that misinterprete scriptures and allow rubbish infilterate into the fold angry angry
Christianity EtcRe: God's Intervention Badly Wanted by Tonyet1(m): 1:49pm On Feb 19, 2010
Rich_john you have a rough mouth and trust me i sure know how to bridle horses. Ask Tudor!  embarassed embarassed wink
Christianity EtcRe: God's Intervention Badly Wanted by Tonyet1(m): 1:47pm On Feb 19, 2010
Mr.Mazaje,

There is a power behind miracles and its called the dunamos (the force that is passed unto someone). When Jesus said "if i have faith as a mustard seed i can move mountain" Jesus wasnt sounding literal he was sounding figuratively. How?

Recall (that's if you read the bible very well) that in that same passage his disciples could not heal a common epileptic and when Jesus arrived they asked him why they couldnt heal and he said "BECAUSE YE HAVE LITTLE FAITH" now instead of giving them BIG FAITH, He rather told them to possess a much smaller faith the size of a mustard seed if.

Now this is where thousands of fools miss it, lets say the faith they had b4 he came was the size of a nut (if we want to quantify it) yet they could not heal, why would he now say they should rather possess the size of the smallest seed on earth. does it make sense?. That should tell you that Jesus Christ was sounding figuratively there. Meaning there was something he meant by the word "MUSTARD SEED".

MUSTARD SEED is the Kingdom of God.


Matt 13:31-32 "

31 He told them another parable: "[size=14pt]The kingdom of heaven is as a mustard seed[/size], which a man took and planted in his field.

32 Though it is the smallest of all your seeds, yet when it grows, it is the largest of garden plants and becomes a tree, so that the birds of the air come and perch in its branches." 


Recall in the initial scriptures, he said IF YE HAVE FAITH AS A MUSTARD SEED, Now connecting the two, you'll come to understand that what he meant there was

". . . IF YE HAVE FAITH AS THE KINGDOM OF GOD, ye can tell this mountain to move and it will" .

What is the Kingdom of God, it the Life, it is a people, it is a system, it is a nature. So therefore when he said "if ye have faith like a mustard seed ye can move mountain" he meant " If ye have faith like the people under the system of God and of His nature ye can move mountain"

And pls note that this faith (the power to heal) comes in measures and the scriptures has said that

"THE EFFECTUAL FERVENT PRAYER OF THE RIGHTEOUS ONES WILL MAKE TREMEMDOUS POWER (power to heal) AVAILABLE!"

God bless you Mr.Unbeliever! wink wink
Christianity EtcRe: God's Intervention Badly Wanted by Tonyet1(m): 1:24pm On Feb 19, 2010
mazaje:
^^
Tonye-t are you born again?
Yes I am born again!

mazaje:
Do you believe in the words of Jesus that says that if you believe and have faith nothing will be impossible for you?
Yes I believe in the words of Jesus that says if I have faith nothing will be impossible for me!
Christianity EtcRe: The Miracles Of Christ Were Immediate But Our Pastors' Own Happens Later. Why? by Tonyet1(m): 1:02pm On Feb 19, 2010
aletheia:
Just five questions sir.
1. When Elijah prayed, did it rain that very day or not?
2. When Jesus healed that blind man at Bethsaida, was it that very day he regained sight or not?
3. When Peter healed the lame man at the beautiful gate, was it that very day he walked or not?
4. When Paul healed the crippled man at Lystra, was it that very day he walked or not?
5. If any of you can give one example from scripture of a miracle occurring not on the same day but at  some time after the encounter with Jesus, the Apostles or even the old testament prophets, then I will concede the argument. Please note I said miracles not prophecies.
Mr.Aletheia,

you are one nice guy i enjoy reading posts from here but these questions are filled with so much sentiments for the men of God. ok i'll answer the questions you asked me.

It is very important for you and me to understand that miracles still exist and are performed daily, even though we rarely see them. Because of the veiling power the fake ones have against the real ones. They have more money(s) to air miracle programs while the real ones barely have what to even take care of themselves.

That said, you must know that Miracles have their root in something, and that root is called the POWER of GOD - dunamos (a living force that can be passed unto another person).

As for Jesus Christ it was said that He had the Fulness of the Power of God in Him. And this fulness did not just come on him but after he had gone thru' a strong fasting for 40days.

This means that dunamos comes in quantity gradually until one will be FILLED. Ask me how, Do you recall when the woman with the issue of blood touched on Christ,you remember that he spoke immediately saying "I FELT HEALING POWER GOING OUT FROM ME"-Luke.8:46. Its just like filling a bottle with water, a little leakage will mean that the quantity will never be as it was. do you understand?

Recall, we are not Jesus Christ, we are the followers of Jesus Christ, and as such it means WE ARE CONSTANTLY LEARNING the ways of Jesus Christ and his mighty acts. We may not get it all at first but with time in his word and constant faith we will do it.

The disciples who witnessed Jesus in the flesh, who saw all the mighty deeds he performed still made their own mistakes/gaffes when cases similar to what Christ did was brought to them.


Matt 17:15-21

15 Lord, have mercy on my son: for he is epileptic, and suffereth grievously; for oft-times he falleth into the fire, and off-times into the water.

16 And I brought him to thy disciples,[size=13pt] and they could not cure him [/size] . . .

19 Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast it out?

20 And he saith unto them, Because of your little faith: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.

21(But this kind goeth not out save by prayer and fasting .)ASV


You see even the disciples could not even perform as expected even though they dined and wined with the Great Christ himself.

What is worth noting is that after the gaffes, Jesus christ came in and taught them how they ought to get result the next time it comes. These MOGs are not God, they are men with limitations who still suffer doubts too. hence they faulter or will i say perform little when faced with great challenges. Why? because they are still learning and growing in the grace of Jesus' might.

When i believe in the power of Christ i can heal all many of sickness but not immediately, i must first learn to grow in the grace.
AutosRe: TELL US YOUR BUDGET 4 YOUR DREAMZ CAR(S) AND LETS GET IT 4 YOU FROM COTONUO... by Tonyet1(m): 12:00pm On Feb 19, 2010
Mr.Tadeus,

i can see you're doing a great job here bro! please a friend of mine will be needing the price range of a good toyota carina E. with alloys, A/C, and sound engine system at the end of this month.

How much will it cost to get this car to PH city. pls include your agency fee, customs and everyother papers.

Pls give me the most realistic and competitive cost. thanx

my email too is sypakv@yahoo.com
Christianity EtcRe: This Guy Must Be Banned! by Tonyet1(m): 11:48am On Feb 19, 2010
Nezan:
You will observe that all the posts I made were based on reason with factual evidence, not a childish theoritical playbook depicting mohammed and Jesus in akward position. Do you know the age difference between Jesus and mohammed? Where is the evidence that Jesus was gay? I thought atheists were deluded people, and your post together with g1's posts have proven my believes beyond reasonable doubt.
cheesy cheesy lipsrsealed lipsrsealed
Christianity EtcRe: Benny Hinn's Wife Files For Divorce by Tonyet1(m): 10:40am On Feb 19, 2010
They put up the form of godliness but they deny the power therof- 1Tim.3:5

*shakes head in pity*
Christianity EtcRe: God's Intervention Badly Wanted by Tonyet1(m): 10:21am On Feb 19, 2010
huxley:
Hello Tonye-t, pardon me, but your thinking is all back-to-front and lobe-sided. You are asking me to believe that your Jesus Christ is powerful, wonderful, and awesome - and that having faith in him will empower me to achieve anything possible. But I ask you - Where is the evidence that Jesus is powerful, and that faith in him will empower? Where is the evidence?

Can you show me anything today that has been achieved through FAITH in Jesus, and that could not have been achieved otherwise?


We need to establish this prior fact first before I would consider believing in your Jesus. Let me give you a view of my perspective - Do you believe Mohammed is the prophetic of God? Do you have any evidence for the position you take with respect to Mohammed?
Mr.Huxley,

I am someone who wouldnt care to force a donkey to the stream talkless of forcing its head to drink water. Huxley, Christianity is a Life you must experience it to know it!.

That said, i have not come here to tell you that my Jesus is powerful and great if you believe me, rather He is powerful and great if you believe Him!. its called "The Experience".

If anyone had gone up to Paul to preach of the nature and ominscient of Christ, He would have nailed you to a cross. Until he experienced it he could not believe it either.

Maybe this dialogue will help:


Huxley: Tonye, why do you folks dont perform the great miracles as did your master?

Tonye-t: Who said we dont? We do perform the great miracles today

Huxley: Ok, so why do we not see legs growing in the spot and other signs as was written on account of your master?

Tonye-t: It still happens, because you're yet to see one doesnt mean it doesnt exist

Huxley: Ok, Tonye you're an hypocrite! how else do you want me to believe in Him and be changed to a Christian when i havent seen any proof?

Tonye-t: The christian life can never be attained by first expecting to see/witness a miracle before you believe

Huxley: How?

Tonye-t: You have to believe in the life before you experience it

Huxley: Tonye-t, pardon me, but your thinking is all back-to-front and lobe-sided, how exactly do you mean?

Tonye-t: Lets read this?

(Matt 9:28-30)-

28 . . ." Jesus said to them, Do you believe that I am able to do this? They said to Him, Yes, Lord.

29 Then He touched their eyes, saying, According to your faith and trust and reliance [on the power invested in Me] be it done to you;

30 And their eyes were opened.AMP


Again read this?

John 1:50 . . . "do you believe in and rely on and trust in Me? You shall see greater things than this! AMP


Huxley: Ok tonye-t, lets just say i understand you, but why do the acclaimed MOG struggle to perform the miracles as did Jesus

Tonye-t: This is where you get it wrong, not all who call Him Master! Master!! are truly of the fold.

Huxley: huh

Tonye-t: Yes, we have many wolves in sheep's clothing, there are many false prophets as there are the real ones

Huxley: Who are the real ones and the fake ones

Tonye-t: You must be born-again, for when you do, you'll receive the gift of discernment to test all the spirits if they are of Christ or Satan.


God bless you!
Art, Graphics & VideoRe: New Design By Brian by Tonyet1(m): 5:47pm On Feb 18, 2010
Brian the second design was so good, what softward application did that?
Christianity EtcRe: Congrats Pastor Agbaje, Goodluck Jonathan Now The Acting President Of Nigeria. by Tonyet1(m): 5:37pm On Feb 18, 2010
^^^ you see what greed can cause? grin only becos he heard of someone's connection to the AP he's beginning to segregate already grin grin grin.!!! Man never changes. grin grin

And if you must know, i believe in the message of Tithing so much which was were the referred pastor and i met. check it out. Our contributions their could help you.! wink wink cheesy cheesy

Who says tithing is not new testamental?
Christianity EtcRe: This Guy Must Be Banned! by Tonyet1(m): 5:31pm On Feb 18, 2010
If they could refer to Christ as - THE PRINCE OF DEMONS, then the referred dude is only a baby in the school of blasphemy. a napkin one for that. undecided undecided undecided

Dont try to fight for God, He sure knows how to figure out things His way  wink wink
Christianity EtcRe: Congrats Pastor Agbaje, Goodluck Jonathan Now The Acting President Of Nigeria. by Tonyet1(m): 5:23pm On Feb 18, 2010
[quote author=rich_john link=topic=398179.msg5539166#msg5539166 date=1266508911]@Tonye-thief
Abeg lets hear word jare, it seems you are a collector of tithes too,
Every day for the thief one day for the tongue One day your own yansh sef go open like Joe Agbaje (sorry Agbaje is my potential patner in business I can't joke with aso-rock link)

Well tonye-tithing thief you must remember [size=13pt]you and my pastor no be level no matter your support WE wont put you in our clique [/size] grin[/quote] grin grin grin cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy, you are very funny!  grin grin grin grin but come to think of it, do i really need cliques in NL? religion section to be precise?. Its called CULTISM because in cultism everyone reverences and solely respects some "key figures" wink wink wink.
Christianity EtcRe: This Guy Must Be Banned! by Tonyet1(m): 5:18pm On Feb 18, 2010
If you ban him, will you also ban all of them present in the world today? undecided

Its quite unfortunate but they are everywhere, learn to deal with it undecided

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