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Onwan:First of all, I find it hard to believe a person would replace a 5amp for a 20amp. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt because no matter how much you idiotproof something, an unfit person will still be made out of it. Where the logic I cannot understand is how an ECU gets bricked. No matter how much you circumvent anything, there is still the semi-boss before you get to the ECU. By the time you begin to fool around at this level, all systems have been shut down and operations halted till it is fixed. There are still other mini-bosses but this semi is impossible to bypass and then blow the ECU. It is called the OVP. By the time matters get to the OVP, you are having serious issues already because there will be symptoms but the root will have to be sought after. VolvoS60:The dealers are the worst. They sell you parts by function and not by name. This way, it sounds like a complicated part-gone-wrong. In some cases, they don't even replace the parts paid for. There is a 20/20 show on a particular dealership exposed. Unknown to them, a camera was equipped. If I must remember, the least you can do is to mark your filter before going for an oil change. They understand how to patch a vehicle till the warranty is up and always, their best recommendation is to purchase another vehicle at the expense of trading the current. |
sultaan:Thanks Sultaan, I'll convey the message as said. I referred to camshaft positioning sensor and not camshaft. A faulty camshaft positioning sensor will bend a valve. The service of the bent valve was done two years ago but a one-way trip cannot be made without a misfire afterwards. As a matter of fact, this is the first time in two years that this vehicle has idled for 20 minutes without a misfire. It is the first time that it's been on the freeway without a misfire or CEL. The last time, it was towed home. Everything in the car has been out of specs, broken connectors and cooling system messed up. I believe the car overheated in the time past. I also want to suspect that the timing is wrong as well since many other things were wrong too. One thing you pointed out -- the timing. It is after this service all this started. Well , , I guess the rest has to go to a professional. Many thanks! |
kuntash:A better start. The information I have attached is for one of the 27 engines under the model 200 engines. In the first place, have the proper thermostat installed. One thing you should note about Mercedes and the other genre that falls within the Benz suffix is that your vehicle collects statistics right from the time you crank the engine and matches it with the predetermined stats with a tolerable margin of error. When you fall out tolerance, issues begin. You might mess with your short term fuel trim (STFM) and long term fuel trim (LTFM) because engine will never get to operating temperature, therefore resulting to poor stoichiometry In this case, the A/C is a separate issue. It could be a simple leak on one of the vacuum lines or because something is out of specification and the fail safe kicked in. It seems you have a bad air meter or mass air-flow meter. If the vehicle is stalling at mid-warm up, you should try disconnecting the sensor that plugs to this air meter and see if you can have it stay on without stalling. If it does, you need to change this. A note of caution - driveability will be poor and loads of fuel will be burnt withi short trips. MAF basically converts air to electric current as signal to the engine. kuntash:To be honest, I had doubts if you'd comprehend the first page of the attachment since its senseless to the unsavvy but you have started. The literature MB put is a bit awry but you already know the bulk and the idea behind it. I do believe it is a crankcase ventilation valve and not a positive crankcase (not much of a difference in the two). The first image that you look at is at idle to mid-partial. The second is at partial to full throttle. The second page is for replacing your thermostat. If you can turn a wrench, don't pay anyone to do it for you. A bit of coolant will spill but it isn't a thing to deter you from doing it. |
That's a crankcase ventilation valve otherwise known as an breather. Volvo calls it a flame trap. If there is no leak anywhere within the tube lines, then the fuel vapour recovey module is bad. I don't know its composition to determine if you can salvage it by cleaning. It may have oil in it. You may have to purchase another since there is an electrical connector to it. The consequences would be a rough operation (vehicle will run rough). It will eventually throw a CEL (check engine light). It's almost 4.45AM and can't further this. I'll go through the operations suite however. If there is literature worth knowing, I'll attach it or paste it. Do you have an idea what engine it is? I'm totally unaware of it. It looks like an M104 from the block and I don't know its engine management system. I'd assume its HFM-SEFI |
sultaan:Sultaan, The battery was replaced and it was another experience entirely. It is way too tight to work on (bay). On the flip side of the coin, you might be right because I don't know what is put there. It isn't my vehicle. Very strong point indeed. I can't reason what you have said but I will learn. However, batteery specification will be compared to OEM befor the grace period is over for return. Operation:I believe the car is 6 years old, however I have to question your maintenance culture. If you'd dump so much money on a new vehicle, what makes the older less justifiable? Snob appeal?! That is the norm amongst Nigerians here. Actually worse, they buy vehicles they can't maintain and expect to wish their maintenance activities away. Think otherwise and you'll always have money in your account instead of some corporation statistically defining and predicting you. If you know what you have Operation, you wouldn't treat it as an Asian product. The vehicle is an S4 but neutered from its original ECU for comfort orientation thus making its natural territory on road and secondard on a close circuit. It's a plenty fine piece of engineering for the nature of which it was sold. There are some cars you can toss at the snap of choice. You are on course now at 800 than your last reply. I assumed that the engine speed could be raised. I have a Benz background, so I'm not familiar with Audi's. ----- The battery will be examined -- one can't trust a sales person. Thanks. |
seal777:Hmn, the ECU when the vehicle is dumping fuel with inadequate air ?! Air/Fuel Ratio is off, fuel pressure modulator and some vehicles as this, O2 sensor. If you bought a hot-rodded Honda with compressors, you are most likely to experience this when the compressors go out or the setup went wrong somewhere. It is never the ECU. |
ECU's never go bad. Even if one or two did, it's a rare and isolated problem. People better start taking second or third opinions before taking actions. |
Interesting! |
It's about time to get a properly built desktop with a decent to pro graphics card. The real deal is that the board is way basic in how it handles and puts down speed when performance is called for and the graphics card isn't at part to today's standards. You need to play games, HP is not your route. |
Operation: I'm just having the time to read through the thread. You made a serious point of the service mechanics messing things up. It's just funny how we are at the mercy of certain people in life. We can't know everything. If you decide to still stick to your original engine, it won't be a bad choice to remachine all your valves. A MLS gasket would be best. I am not an Audi enthusiast and I don't know the engine as much as I am sure about. Audi/VW are not credible sources because their first objective is to sell vehicles. A head gasket job is an advance repair. The car is picky comes to coolant. There are lots of horror stories on this issue for those that neglected this simple warning label. Coolant should be red. or pink (something odd in the colour of red or so). |
Operation:You are wrong Operation. This in my opinion is too low. I can't conclude it to be about right. If too low, fuel wouldn't burn right and would affect the cylinder walls. A bad MAF would give you an erratic idle. Idle may take a plunge and give you engine vibration momentarily and return to normal idle. Vehicle runs extremely smooth in both ildle and acceleration. Engine doesn't bump (engine dropping rpm slightly inbetween gear changes). The MAF is also in the list of things to be replaced and camshaft sensor because it bent a valve rod and I can't think of any reason why besides a camshaft position sensor and maybe a prior overheating by the previous owner. |
kuntash:It's all good. prinsbasy:SOS is teleaid. You can forget that or have someone deactivate it for you. One of your bulbs is burnt. Encompass your vehicle. If all is well, it may be a faulty harness somewhere. Somebody is going to have to troubleshoot it for you. Anything can throw a warning light. The error is "Substitute light is on, change lamps." |
kuntash:Kuntash, MB made 27 different C200 engines. If I remember clearly, the trims for the market at that time was Classic, Espirit, Sport and Avantgarde. I do remember the Elegance and believe it is between the Sport and Avantgarde or after Avantgarde but it tells nothing about an engine but trinkets. I will take your word as gas with no force injection, thus narrowing it to 3 model engines. I do hope you did a like-for-like engine transplant. I'm giving back this feedback because the "literature" to these engines differ and you need not bother yourself with what you do not have. Look through the car's tattoo. You should see some numbers. Check the engine, there should be the major assembly number as well. If not, post a VIN and I will look it all up for you. I've sought after the number of the service mechanic for you. It will be posted after I receive it. |
aduje:You cannot improve on your fuel economy by doing the above stated. You can only achieve a better gas economy by properly tuning your vehicle. You cannot improve fuel management in a Mercedes. The engineers gave it at the maximum stoichiometry possible and if there was a better way, you should have gotten it. Cars have limits and the limits to your vehicle was given to you. You cannot improve on that engine. That is the best you can get. |
kuntash:Running an MB engine at 71degC is injustice to the engine. You will wear your piston rings, the car wouldn't run well. The normal engine temperature is 87deg. The principle that damaged the old engine is what you should be expecting in the new if you do not put in the specified heat rating. Besides, you are wasting your fuel plus, it can't burn the fuel completely. I am totally unaware of your engine or that model. What do you mean by regeneration vacuum? I am thinking you are referring to a crankcase ventilation valve. If not, be a little specific. But first above all, get your engine temperature right. In my spare time, I will go through the sheets of your vehicle model. |
kuntash:Kuntash, I just got on this forum yesterday. There is a german-purist in Lagos. As soon as I have this number, I will post it up. To answer the areas you stressed: Behr is a better thermostat brand than Wahler. The same price but Wahler is not predictable. Benz's run hot and when Wahler fails, it fails in the open state. In other words, the coolant gate is open and it begins its purpose from the time you crank your engine. Since an engine is hot by nature, it will take about 5 to 7 minutes to get to 80degC as oppose to 2 minutes. You will not suspect anything. I noticed mine when it took forever for my heater to warm the vehicle at very low fan speed and the engine temperature never got to 40deg on a snowy day. I will a service person for you by this time tomorrow. |
Operation:It all burys to the fact that you are responsible for the up-keep of your car and not a mechanic and worse a tech. You may not be savvy but who you take the car to is totally your responsibility. Take some time to know what you have and arm yourself with a second or a third opinion before you shell some money to a person in return for service. If you think Nigerians are incompetent in fixing a car especially your S4, come down to the States. After several dollars of being in the hole, reconsiderations would be made after frustration. The truth is that the majority are incompetent and few know what they know. If you understood the nature of your vehicle, from the onset, you'd have taken the pain for a qualified indy in dealing with it. Truly, all the best in your choice outcome. |
Siena:Siena, I'm currently working on one at this point. It's a BEL SR 2671 187 MPI Bosch. It's got a tiptronic . Currently, I'm finished along with its owner but the engine speed at idle is low. https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-647024.0.html It bent a rod a two years ago and having done of that, it's been one misfire or the other till we decided that we will do it ourselves. When the plugs were rooted out, iridiums were observed and it was fouled with deposits. Besides the insult of the plug genre, the six plugs were gapped at about .23 to .26. The last owner along with the last service tech or mechanic did the vehicle injustice. So far, everything has been done according to spec. This is the last hurdle. Ironically, I do not know the factory rated idle rpm for the vehicle. Please, check my post. https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-647024.0.html |
I doubt this is considered normal operating rpm at idle. A valve job has been done, cooling redone and plugs changed till this came to my attention. There is a very faint hesitation that can barely be notice but I believe it's either a MAF going bad or the nature of a 90 degrees V6. It's like once in 20 minutes but barely noticeable. Vehicle accelerates linearly with no hesitation and also picks up speed accordingly. It is 100% stock. http://i1105.photobucket.com/albums/h347/dsgnn/a956c685.jpg http://i1105.photobucket.com/albums/h347/dsgnn/eea28258.jpg http://i1105.photobucket.com/albums/h347/dsgnn/e655a024.jpg The vehicle is an AllroadQuat2.7v618 with a BEL_SR_2671_187_MPI_Bosch with tiptronic. I am not too conversant with the Motronic 7.1 management system so, I can't figure out how to raise the engine speed. I am hoping it is not a faulty throttle body or something similar because $7000 later, the vehicle has not covered 2000 miles and the owner and I are having to fix the entire vehicle ourselves. I would also appreciate how to test for a faulty camshaft positioning sensor on this vehicle. It bent an intake valve rod at more than 60 degree angle. Thanks a lot! |
Fhemmmy:It is about an engine running too low at idle. I'm not too familiar with the engine itself. I don't know if it's normal. It's a Bosch Motronic Me 7.1. I guess I was filtered because I attached three links from Photobucket. I will draft another and repost editing the topic. Thanks. |
kuntash:I think the missing factor is how much you want to spend for repairs. If you live in Lagos, what you have posted isn't true. User, under no circumstance should your vehicle be modified. Everything is put for a reason, specified for a purpose. If anybody knows better, they should be working at the Stuttgart or Afalterbach location. Your vehicle should begin overheating after 135degC and 135degC indeed. That is what the design manual says. As long as the vehicle is underneath the red line, you are still fine. This differs from any other car on the road. You should have 3 modules of cooling system. One of them is the last resort when all have gone wrong. Normal operating temperature should be 87degC to 90degC. At 100degC, you should have the the your two auxuilliary fan kick in at medium speed and over hundred, come at full blast till the temperature is brought below 90degC. In the case of the extreme due to one issue or the other, the third fan kicks in. This is the backup when all has failed or cannot achieve the desired outcome or fans are blown. This is the mechanical viscous fan. The problem is that it is seldom or never used and so, it could stuck after 20 or 30 years of never being used since date of production. This brings it down till you begin moving. Compared to other vehicles, the temp guage is a live guage and not the dummy 3-point position you find in other vehicles. Anything less than the setup explained, you need to get your cooling system in order lest you warp the head and blow a head gasket. Another note to consider. You do not need a fan clutch unless it begins to make noise when you start-up in the morning. If you decide to replace the fan clutch, you should get the "tropical fan clutch." MB made those for the tropical region and the supplier is Sach's. If you have the Wahler thermostat, you need to junk that and get Behr. Wahler fails in the open-state without warning and coolant active from start. Engine runs cold till the coolant heats up till it overheats. Sheer stresses also deteriorates the fluid till it looses its properties. You'll constantly be running the engine over 100degC causing all your fans to kick in. What engine configuration do you have? |
kuntash:What do you have? C-what? What's your engine and what year from the tattoo? If you have a bad loom, you'd have myriads of issues. Depending on certain years, the loom is the major setback the lineup models offered. |
Another fad engineering. The craze will only be for a season as the CLS is and would pick up dust at the dealer's lot when it's no longer in style and lease is also up for the vast majority that get swept. I hope that isn't the final appearance. MB is yet to learn that no one wants a reliable Merc any more. If that's the case, we've got BMW and Toyota to opt for. |
BMW's are not reliable. BMW is not at par with Mercedes or VW. Isolating accessories, the engineering is a lot generic when you compare it with a Merc in all approaches (combustion, suspension and other aspects that I can't think of right now). The setup from plant makes it seem as an unique standard that other cars should seek after but it's just tactic. You can make a setup of whatever you desire if you understand how -- let alone do it. The 3 Series are the worst of them all. |
In as much as I won't recommend the Volvo but it is the better of the two in terms of reliability and cost (making reference by brand and not the vehicles in reference). The Volvo is simpler with a rock-solid transmission. Parts are pricey for anything small but it is a better buy. The BMW is a joke. If you are an enthusiast and you work on cars by yourself or a handy person, you can opt for the Bavarian but your money's worth cannot be gotten if your maintenance culture is poor or cannot afford advance repairs to keep it running as new. I've never been in a V40 but it's pretty much something you can work on if you have the tools and the apt for such. I believe both cars have a harsh setup. |
I doubt this is considered normal operating rpm at idle. A valve job has been done, cooling redone and plugs changed till this came to my attention. There is a very faint hesitation that can barely be notice but I believe it's either a MAF going bad or the nature of a 90 degrees V6. It's like once in 20 minutes but barely noticeable. Vehicle accelerates linearly with no hesitation and also picks up speed accordingly. It is 100% stock. http://i1105.photobucket.com/albums/h347/dsgnn/a956c685.jpg http://i1105.photobucket.com/albums/h347/dsgnn/eea28258.jpg http://i1105.photobucket.com/albums/h347/dsgnn/e655a024.jpg The vehicle is an AllroadQuat2.7v618 with a BEL_SR_2671_187_MPI_Bosch with tiptronic. I am not too conversant with the Motronic 7.1 management system so, I can't figure out how to raise the engine speed. I am hoping it is not a faulty throttle body or something similar because $7000 later, the vehicle has not covered 2000 miles and the owner and I are having to fix the entire vehicle ourselves. I would also appreciate how to test for a faulty camshaft positioning sensor on this vehicle. It bent an intake valve rod at more than 60 degree angle. Thanks a lot! |
I understand that this is an old thread but the M.J. that we have been accustomed to down the years isn't Michael Jackson. Compare Off The Wall to the sequels. It is obvious it isn't even the same person. Many people were used during the years to give us the final flavour that we have gotten to know. If one understands certain details, there would be no integration of fiction with reality. |
i read somewhere that there is a screw on the tb that you can use to adjust it, its been raining so i haven't checked on mine. well if there is only a really minor problem that you feel occasionally and the car is running smoothly otherwise, is there really much point spending all that time and money on a car that over 10 years old? even if it is amazing!!! 