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Franzinni:
I see you trying to take the easy way out by speculating but you are so far gone to understand that I am not faulting the girl in anyway I am just saying ... There is a high rate of rape accusations going around and we need to slow down Abit and stop judging every case looking through the same lens.... Once someone shout rape ...there are a thousand and one people like you who just fly off the rails without thinking critically or looking at the facts and details .. what if after all is said and done the prophet turns out clean and this was just an attack and by that time they have killed the man ... I only asked people to think critically. View the facts and then draw your own conclusions not just hear rape and you pick the pitch fork!!!

Now talking about myself ... I frankly don't get what men get from forcing themselves on a woman like what is that thing that will make me want to do a thing like that ...women are everywhere if you don't have game... Save up your money and pay as you go.

I never jumped into any conclusion. The only reason I responded to your intial post was because you were already prejudging the victim without getting full details of what happened. It is possible she might by lying but how do you know she is not telling the truth for you to now suggest it was consentual sex


I never judge anything but you did. Pllease stop trying to shift the goalpost and own up to all the unreasonable comments you have made.. Nairaland is a faceless forum. So you can hide and say things you would not dare say if you can be easily identified . The courts should decide . Don't be quick to assume anything.

Talking about yourself, how do you expect me to just believe that you don't enjoy that kind of thing when there's nothing about you I know offline No reason for that because I have not accused of being a rapist .

Franzinni:
bro I don't care about the prophet matter of fact if I would suggest, I would say he should be castrated on the spot and then left to bleed to death ... My perspective tho

But I will still say a 17 years old who was raped by a 50 year old and she didn't report it till she started falling down and passing out begins to sound like it was not really about the rape but about the fear of what spiritual attack is at play. As the case may be there is NO case on ground if you know the slightest about law ... A rape has to be proven no body will see prison on verbal accusation alone without medical checkup and evidence of rape... See if she has reported it immediately the bruising of forced entry will be fresh and it will be an open closed case but ... She didn't so how do YOU know she was raped ?

If you knew the case could get to the court, why prejudging the victim with the little information you have?

Yes ,we know some ladies can lie about been raped but it doesn't mean that if a lady was raped and she did not report immediately or let anyone know at that time, then she is lying if she later gets to report.. There could be reason or reasons why she could not have reported at that point in time. Shame,fear of stigmatization, lack of courage and threat to life among others could be some of these reasons.

You don't know the actual circumstances concerning this case and what actually may have prevented her from letting anyone know immediately. But here you are trying to blame the 17 year old

You said it was because of the so called spiritual effect she decided to report. If that's what you think,then how to you expect her to tell her parents what she believed has caused it without mentioning the rape or according to you "the sex' they had.

I hope you don't belong to those perverts who take delight in believing that rape victims who don't report or called for help immediately may have actually enjoyed it and if they ,the victims, later summon courage to report, then they are lying. A few of your expressions and choice of words in your intial comment have made me to think so of you

How can you tell if the suspect would not later admit to the crime in court or if they would not find other evidences apart from the ones you mentioned to convict him?
Honestly you don't know what you're saying and there's no point continue this conversation

Franzinni:
you talk like a sheep that has been fed fat with bullcrap.. 17 years old you say is that not the more reason she should inform the authority immediately? So you want to tell me a 17 year old is so dumb because they are minors they cant tell right from wrong and magically once they turn 18 they become wise? Is that how you grew up ? Comon think about it ... Also how come you deduced that I am also guilty and of what exactly sherlock?

You claim to be a critical thinker while accusing others of not possessing the ability to think critically but have failed to see that an innocent and inexperienced teenager has been taken advantage of.

Why do you assume that she should know what to do immediately after? What do you know about the victim and her level of intelligence?

Know what it means to actually think critically before boasting about what you can't demonstrate.

A 17 year old who was raped by a 50 year old should not be blamed or made to feel quilty for it whether she reported the incident to the police immediately or not. Imagine if she was your daughter
My accusation, if you still don't get it by now is that you lack the capacity to think critically.Don't hide under critical think to spew nonsense because all the silly defence you have tried to put up for the rapist can't stand in court

Franzinni:
The day he or should I say "they" had sex, she didn't go to the police immediately, that same day after a bang job, she still allowed him rub ritualistic candle ALL OVER her body, after that she went back home abi... Now the only reason why she is yelling bloody murder is becasue she started having spiritual attack ... See I know alot of people lack the ability to think critically, they just jump on the bandwagon as the sheep mentality is prevalent in the country.

For those that don't understand my rambling, can someone tell me why the case didn't become a case the very night she got her tail feathers ruffled by the fake prophet?

There is a systematic global media attempt to rapidly reprogram the masculinity of the world by any means necessary. Guys my only advice is keep your dingdongs in the holster at all times. Trust me nowadays, any knack can be upgraded to a rape, depending on how she feels about you... Be wise.

You're equally guilty of the same thing you're accusing others of.

The victim is just 17, a minor, and yet you expected her to know how to react immediately in such a situation?

Critical thinking my foot

shadeyinka:
Name calling!?
How? And Where?

All the argument here is simply because the rest of you wish I could just encourage and justify why a True Christian should marry an atheist. And I insist, "ko le werk!!" It can't work, and it's not possible for me to encourage an improper relationship!

Lol. You just proved budatum right

shadeyinka:
Perhaps you did not read clearly for the first part answered that (highlighted)




Did you see the yellow highlight?

Then why the name calling if your intention was to respond only to the op. It's what I continue to ask you and you are unable to answer

shadeyinka:
You should have checked my direct response to the question of the OP before your accusation. Let me repeat it here:



Have I replied the OP or not?

The op is about what has happened already and not what is yet to happen. You're wholely focused on the later to downplay the former.

Why can't you focus on the main thing? Can't you see that you're crying over a milk that is spilt already?

Modify. Where is the evil in the Union in you're condemning?
do you have anything to prove that any of them don't love each other?
What gives you the certainty that the child would turn out not to know God?
and how are you sure the unbeliever spouse don't get converted tomorrow?
has the Bible condemned couples who find themselves in such a situation?

shadeyinka:
The summary of my position based on good Christian judgement and Scripture is


From above,
1. Would you encourage a JW to marry a non-believing spouse.
2. Suppose she's already married to one, will your church demand her to divorce the husband?
3. By JW doctrine, if you allow her to remain with the unbelieving spouse, is is biblical for her NOT to obey her husband?
4. On who's responsibility fall the spiritual upbringing of their children?


SECONDLY:
My argument was that (assuming a true Christian decided against good judgement to marry an Atheist) and feel that he/she is too grounded in faith to fall, can he vouch for his/children's faith?



Have I said anything outside the Scriptures?

The accusation against me is that If I love like Christ, I will allow and encourage TRUE Christians to marry Atheists.

The op from what anyone can easily see requires a simple response and not much talk.

You know the appropriate answer to give but are unwilling to do so for reasons that are obvious

Most of the things you have given as response is only meant to downplay the significance of the message the op is trying to pass across using his marriage as an example.

You can't continue to pretend and now. trying to rally the "mob" to your side using a false accusation. This is very shameful.

shadeyinka:
Where is it written that a man or woman should not put his/her hands in fire?

Let me ask you some questions and I hope you can speak the truth
1. If the Christian wife dies, who should take over the custody of the young children?
2. Can the Atheist husband bring up the children to know God?
3. Is this not a big risk concerning something as great as her children ending up in the lake of fire?

Has she not put the eternity of her children in danger?

I have asked you this question before and would ask again
Is not possible for the unbelieving spouse to convert to Christianity?

Why is it difficult for you to see this possibility?

budaatum:
I understand. Not everyone is sufficiently equipped to love their father-in-laws not to talk of their neighbours or their enemies.

Oh .Sade father in-law is an atheist?
No wonder has been trying to bring in things that are not related to this thread.

Is it possible for an atheist to have a happy marriage with a believer? That's the main question

He has been dancing around and refused to give a simple yes or no for a reason that is now obvious

@shade
The question that has arisen from the op only requires a simple yes or no
Show me exactly where you answered that happiness can or can't result from such marriages without the other things you try to bring in.

If you think happiness can come out of it, then why the unnecessary name calling to humiliate and belittle the wife who is already committed to the marriage?

shadeyinka:
I think I have answered the OP clearly in this thread before people like you insisted that I ignore the the Christians view of marriage also being a Spiritual union.

Here was my direct answer to the OPs question




Because premium tears has been a result of such kinds of union wham a true Christian marries a person who isn't.

BTW,
The rule doesn't apply to Atheists alone. It applies even to church goers.

Any true Christian MUST not marry any one who isn't a true Christian. Whether the person claims to be one or not, whether he is even a pastor or not.

We advocate that a true Christian will marry based on these two spiritual conditions

1. The spouse to be is born again
2. The spouse to be loves God.



Love being a CHOICE means it doesn't just fall on you. You CHOOSE who to give your love.
Doesn't a true Christian have the right to choose NOT to be romantically involved with an atheist or any non committed Christian?

Or why do you think sane people just don't fall in love with mad people on the street. Why do you think that only in Nollywood do you see billionaires going to the village to look for a poor well brought up girl as wife.

Love for an atheist is not accepting his atheism but telling him the truth about God and salvation. And Jesus made it clear to us not to FORCE our message on anyone. If they would listen and accept the gospel LEAVE them alone (dust your shoes against them).

But you want the opposite. After a Christian preaches to the one who wouldn't listen to the gospel, he should form a permanent bond with such.
It's you who don't know what love is.

No point replying you anymore since you continue to deflect from the main thing. We can continue when you're ready to discuss that

Can there be happiness between such union? Yes or no

Keep the rest for your congregation

TimeIllusion:
How can they be happy together when they are on the road to hell?

Is it truly happiness if Satan is involved?

The happiness is an illusion because the woman has hardened her heart to Christ by marrying the atheist.

If you're a Christian who reads and understand your Bible very well , you should already know what it says concerning such matters.

Its your personal opinion if you think happiness can never come from such marriages. Talk from what you know and have experienced. Not from what you think

TimeIllusion:
Shadeyinka is not only right, he’s also the true Christian. The only true Christian I see on this thread.

From the Christian perspective, eternal damnation has to be avoided no matter what it costs otherwise there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth in the lake of fire. Avoiding godless heathens, atheists, pagans, and other undesirables is to be expected and promoted so that one’s soul is not damned for eternity.

A Christian woman who has chosen to procreate with an atheist has committed a grave sin that has jeopardized her children’s souls. If we take christianity to it’s logical conclusion, Shadeyinka is right. One must do everything to avoid hell like Jesus said. Cut off your tongue, pluck out your eye, set loose the atheist etc

The maxim “love your neighbor as yourself” also means do all you can to ensure that your neighbor avoids hell. So, admonishing the Christian woman for marrying a godless heathen is a show of love. Good ol’ fashioned Christian love.

You and shade have not directly answered the op. The issue is not whether believers should be encouraged to marry non believers but if those who are already married can be happy together

shadeyinka:
Love is a CHOICE a person makes to selflessly build and beautify the life of the other person. Love is NOT an emotion even though love feels Emotion whenever it succeeds.

The most important thing to a Christian is to bear Fruit for God through Christ while he/she await his transport to the eternal kingdom of God.

Why would it make sense to risk it by marrying an unbeliever?

An atheist doesn't value God!
An atheist doesn't know God!
An atheist doesn't care about God!

I rather you focused on the op. Its the reason I engaged you.
You're deflecting because you're unable to directly answer to anything I have said concerning it.
You continue to resist and deny the reality of something that has already happened despite the fact that your quoted bible verses said you shouldn't but must accept.

If love is a choice that we make to build and beautify the life of the next person, why standing as an obstacle to those who want to make this choice. Or is it that non believers don't deserve their lives been beautified.

Do you even think you're in a position to determine one's choice of love?

You talk so much of love without being able to demonstrate it
Love is sacrifice. The reason your savior paid the ultimate price even when you don't deserve it. Unfortunately you have not earnt from this

Please open another thread of your own if you want to discuss whether a Christian should marry a non believer. What we are discussing here has happened already

shadeyinka:
The fact that you are an atheist is a direct consequence of the action of your mum.

You seem not to understand may take on this:
1. A woman who is already married to an atheist should not seek divorce. She should make the best out of her situation.
2. Such a Christian woman must obey her husband as unto Christ
3. A single Christian should not marry an atheist because not human being has the power to convert any man AND you cannot stop the Atheist husband having a negative spiritual influence over your children. It is not impossible that the woman herself stopped believing in God.

Numbers 1 and 2 is Scripturally based. Number 3 is common sense. A needless risk to bear!

My dear triplechoice, you are a good example of why the common sense in three is real

I am not a Atheist and there's no common sense in anything you have said.

You just jumped into conclusion without having enough information about me or my family background.

My Father was a vocal atheist but this didn't stop I and my other siblings, especially my immediate younger sister who at a time was greatly influenced by him, from attending Church and becoming Christians later in life.

So you can see that his influence counted for nothing, that is ,preventing us from becoming who we are later in life. I am not an atheist or a Christian today because. I know of the limitations of both position first hand from the experiences of my parents. So right now , I am in the middle; A skeptic and at the same time a spiritually conscious person . Nothing bad with that

I speak from my own life experience and I can certainly relate with the situation curenttly going on in the home if the op.. Its something
his children would greatly benefit from in the future

They would learn very well in that family setting how to use their head and heart in any given situation.
The head, from the father while the heart from the mum

Love is the only thing I think would make a believing Christian marry an atheist and for love sake, why are you against such a unoin?

shadeyinka:
I think you should have answered the question:

What happens if she (Christian wife) dies after giving birth to three children for her husband?. What is the probability that the children will know God. ?

Is this an impossible situation?

Your question is not well thought out . If you knew that not every Christian today is from a Christian home, then you wouldn't have asked it in the first place.

My father was an atheist while my mum a Christian. But today all my siblings excepting me are Christians .

You're just telescoping into the future and seeing things that may not happen.

Why is it difficult to see that he can become a Christian tomorrow? or have you not seen an atheist who later became a Christian.

Why the negative imagining?

budaatum:
By his fruits you do know him.

I doubt if he is married. What kind of woman would tolerate such an abusive character

shadeyinka:
I've not said anything different.

A true Christian who chooses to marry an atheist is a big fat fool as she thinks she's above the level of humanity.
What happens if she dies after giving birth to three children for her husband?. What is the probability that the children will know God. ?

It's like a pastor who allows a woman to touch him inappropriately in the name of spirituality. Such a pastor is a big fat fool.

You already quoted bible verses which made it clear that a believer who is married to an unbeliever should try as much as possible to tolerate and live in harmony with their spouse.

But no, you wouldn't have any of it and have taken sadistic delight in trying to upset the op by continually using all sorts of abusive names to belittle the wife.


are you a true Christian yourself? From your replies it's difficult to see you as one

What happens if he converts to christianity tomorrow and even end up as a pastor?

How would you then describe the wife?

One of my friends who is late now, was an atheist before he got married. But he ended up as a pastor through the influence of the wife.

His case is not unique. Look around and you will find the same .

Maybe you are God and case see till the end of time

Kobojunkie:
Again....

No. Never going to tell you. I expected it should be obvious to you.

If you don't want to see it yourself by reading again, then let's forget it and sorry I have to bother you

Kobojunkie:
what isit that you think I missed of your priest's "main argument"?

I am not a Christian, he is not my priest and I still stand by what I previously said.

The person who created this thread did so for a reason. Look for that and you would get it.

Kobojunkie:
I am afraid your priest is in the wrong here. This is not really about minding one's business but instead respecting the CHOICES that others make for their on selves just as you except them to respect the choices you make in your own life.
You may not necessarily agree with their choices but one thing you certainly do not have is the right to dictate how any single human being can or cannot live, that right belongs to God.

You completely missed the priest main argument or the reason for his response.

If you had seen it, you would have known why the op created this thread

I advise you read again

chelsea04:
i have mention their attribute. Good ones are always few take note but it is only a strong man that can marry them are u strong

If you have a daughter with those attributes you mentioned, I hope you would accept immediately she is possessed?

Every problem has a solution. There's a reason pencils come with an eraser.

However ,there are valid reasons why certain solutions to some problems are not reveal to the public. It can be abused and lead to reckless behavior which can results in problems that are far more worse than the one the individual is trying to avoid.

So , if we don't have the remedy or antidote it's better to play safe than to use oneself has an experiment to determine if something can harm us or not.

But olosho must survive. There's a reason every society has them.

Gofuckyourself, abeg nor spoil their market o

@op

The man whose preaching you listened to is the cause of the things you experienced in your dreams and not the makeup.

The preacher has used "lies" thinking he is telling you the "truth" to distort your reality .

What you experienced has no basis in reality it's simply a figment of the preacher's own imagination which unfortunately you have been drawn into.

If it's actually true that make up is evil and results in what you have described, then a lot of maked up ladies every where would also report the same thing. Don't for once imagine you are special and for that God has given you those experiences to warn others. Everyone is special and equally important to God


And sorry to tell you this, what you're experiencing or have experienced is not normal but you think it is simply because it was triggered by someone whom you believe has told you the truth..

You can accept or reject anything I have said. It doesn't matter . But I know for sure that one of these days a brief moment of realisation would come when you would realise what has happened and I hope and pray that you find the courage to free yourself.

Koulture:


Well I listened carefully to her response,she only claimed she was been maltreated by the husband but never denied sleeping with apostle.

This season film go sweet die.

You're very clever

She may be innocent but she spoilt it when she accused her husband of having been paid to scandalize her..Like she was advised to say so to divert attention

She cannot be a judge in her own case

Kobojunkie:
Go to Home Depot, Walmart and Even the deserts of Arizona and you will find the same plant for a few dollars and change. Do you have a point of some sort to make?

Kobo, you have come again

Please, I am willing to learn from you why you think the plant offers no "spiritual benefits"

@op
If your religion works for you and brings you results that you think are worth it, then practice it peacefully while respecting the rights of others to live their lifes the way they want to.

These days people are now wiser and it wouldn't work if you want to use threats or lies in order to postulate them into joining you

The only thing that I think would work is when
practice your religion very well to the extent that others can see the good things it has brought into your life. That is the only time others may consider it.

If someone like shekau, the Muslim terrorist, comes to preach Islam to you, would you consider becoming a Muslim?

It's not true every one on Earth has a salt covenant with your God. You don't know the real truth about your religion. Those who know practice it with common sense .



Every religion was created by man and non is perfect. But as long as it makes you spiritually aware to the point you now treat others around you with love and concern, then focus on that and let everyone be.

HellVictorinho:
Define the spirits you believe in.
What are they made of
What are their functions
How do they occur

The discussion has been discontinued by me seeing that you have failed to grasp anything.

BTW where did I express any believe in spirit?

I am not what your assumptions have made you believe and so don't try to force anything on me.

Have a lovely weekend

HellVictorinho:
The truth is that spirits don't exist.

You are incapable of knowing if spirit or spirits exist or what it actually represents.

But you can still know if you want to

HellVictorinho:
Why won't I know if the universe has a source or a creator
I know that the universe cannot have a creator or a source because it's impossible for living things to precede non-living things or/and it is impossible for something (material) to be a source of another thing(material) except there is a third object that causes it to produce that thing.
I don't have to experience what is outside the universe in order to know there are things outside it.
It's a matter of logic.
Since the universe is actually something,then it has limits.
Since it has limits,there are other things except it instead of nothing.

Your argument rest on logic, a human construct which is never a perfect tool for determining the complete truth.about anything.

For instance, if all your life you have never tasted anything sweet or know of anything that is sweet, no amount of logical reasoning would make you know what it means to taste honey. The whole idea of honey being sweet or what it is would be lost on you if presented to you for the first time

So, for you to fully grasp what spirit means or represent, a direct experience of it is required and not mental gymnastics

And the best place to begin knowing the truth about spirit and the universe that we live in is from yourself.

Know thy self. I am sure you're familiar with this statement.