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Calitoscassius:
makes alot of sense, it could haveb been the other way round, she didn't plan to kill him afterall they have been friends long before the incident.

I think is self defence.

Exactly. I don't believe she planned to kill him.She found herself in a very desperate situation and she acted instinctively to save her life.

pocohantas:
Oh really? Didn’t know that. Thought she said he was chasing her around.

Self-defense it is then.

If I were his wife, I would get her a lawyer. A very sound SAN. She wouldn’t even know I did.

Read up her confession when she was paraded by the police, you will get the full details

pocohantas:
The man looks very fit. Not anything like a 50yrs old Nigerian man. Still a mystery how she was able to take on him like that.

There's no mystery .According to her, the 50 year old pinnned her down on the kitchen cabinet and was choking her to death.

She was helpless to push him away and with her free hand, she had no option but to use a kitchen knife on the cabinet her eyes strayed to.

From her narration, ( if she is not lying) it can be seen that since the man was lying on top, it would not have been possible for him to notice her outstretched hands picking up the knife to stap him on the neck.

If they were in standing position and some distance between them, no way the girl would have succeeded. She wouldn't even think of it

None should be happy that the man was killed in such a manner. But imagine if you were in her position, pinned down after your head was hit on the wall by a man under
the influence of drugs, what would you have done ?
These days it is not uncommon to read stories of ladies who were murdered in hotel rooms by the person whom they checked in with.

I hope there's also a CCTV camera where they Lodged . if what she narrated is true and the cameras confirm it, then she may walk free.

A girl who was being choked to death by a 50 year old former boxer would not be expected not to react to save a life.

shogsman:
Giving the amount of so called believers especially traditional folks on this platform I'm kinda amazed this thread is not filled to the brim.
Oh nah I'm just kidding,of course I know why they are avoiding me like a plague,it's because there is no sensible argument against my point.

You may be mistaken about why your thread is not filled to the brim.
Most people who engaged in witchcraft practices do so not because it can be explained rationally but because of the assumed power it gives them

For those who believe in it, they do so because it has become a part of their reality having grown up in an environment where such practices are rife.

So, if you want to convince such persons to abandon what they have come to regard as real, then you would need to come up with something far more persuasive. Your Op lacks what is needed to achieve this.



Another reason I think your thread is being avoided is because you are not a good teacher of what you know . You have certain experiences which has convinced you the spiritual is fiction but you're not willing to share the details of those experiences to convince otthers .

Furthermore, your attitude is a problem. It is too condescending for someone who intends to enlighten others about what you think you know or have discovered.

A good teacher should respond to any kind of question . It doesn't matter how stupid or unnecessary it may appear to you. Someone asked you some questions at the begining
of this thread which you refused to answer or answered in a condescending manner . How can learning take place in such an atmosphere of trying to put others down just becuase
you think you know better. Others following your thread may have similar questions too. If you answer those for him ,then you should have answered for others .

A teacher should also learn to be patient and tolerating of students he assume he knows better than and not insult or mock them because they fail to follow up or question what is being taught. It seem to me the purpose of you creating this thread is to mock and insult others who believe in the supernatural.. If you intention is to enlighten ,then quit the mockery and insult and focus on your task.

Why should people participate when it seems you want to fight anyone who disagree with you.

There are adults on this board and no one likes to be called a fool or stupid for what they believe in. You're throwing innuedoes everywhere and pretending as if you don't know what you're doing

These are just my observation. Hope it has not created any offence

Strongbest:
That's why you may need to read through again.

Using the word most and some youths in his statement clearly rules out one sidedness as opined by you.

Using the word "expecially those that are not adding values" in his speech shows he takes cognizance of those using the social media positively to earn a living (in godly manner).

So, it's either you didn't understand what you have read or just want to be controversial.

The issue is not whether Adeboye is one-sided or not but demanding the Government
regulate the Internet for everyone because some few persons are misusing it..

Why should I be made to suffer for someone else's irresponsible behaviour when I am in know way responsible for how they have chosen to behave
If the Government heed to his call, how would it possible to ensure that those who don't abuse or misuse it are not affected by its regulation.
Don't defend him because you assume he
wrong cannot be at any time. Learn to think for yourself .

It is knee jerk reaction for anyone to call for restrained access to social media or the Internet

If we have people whose lifestyle and thinking has been badly affected by it, we equally have others whose lifestyle and thinking has greatly improved through its
usage

These days, nearly every student in every single higher institution in this country depend wholly on the Internet to carry out their assignments, prepare for exams and to keep abreast with current happenings around them.



So why should any right thinking individual advocate the government ban or restrained access to the Internet or social media just because some young persons are abusing it.

The truth of the matter is that the blame should not be placed entirely on social media platforms but on users who lack the personal discipline to control their behaviour

Any form of addiction is a personal problem and should be dealt with personally by the person or persons it affects.. Parents whose children are addicted or misusing the Internet or social media platforms should be advised to take responsibility and not look for whom to blame for their inaction.

It is only when the misuse of social media platforms affects everyone else that the Government can step in. But they should at such a time only target those involved in its misuse and not make others suffer for the stupidity of a few..

Missyajoke:
Am being pursued in the dream

Dreams where you see yourself being constantly chased by someone or anything is usually an indication of the presence of fear in your life. This fear has build up to a point in your subconscious mind where it is now causing stress and you have not done anything to deal with it hence the recurring dream

Look for the source of this fear in your outer life, deal with it and the dream would stop. You are not being pursued by demons neither are you under a curse.

If you feel overwhelmed by the situation and think you cannot deal with it yourself , then seek professional help from a competent practitioner who would assist you to uncover what exactly it is that is responsible for your recurring dreams and help to proffer solutions so can have your normal life back

ba7man:
Diezani comes from an affluent background but that didn't stop her from being one of the biggest thieves to walk the earth.

Of course, you also know that not everyone from an affluent background is a thief or not every politician is a thief and if by your comment you're insinuating that Reno is a thief, please provide proof or you shut it

Kobojunkie:
what has coercion to do with this though?

When you catch people at their most desperate, there is no need to use coercion as simply applying the right lies can make even the most astute believe any thing.

If you want to emulate this man, go right ahead, just don't drag God down into your muck. The only person God told you to emulate is Jesus Christ and no other.

If people actually know the sort of mind bending techniques used by TB Joshua to force them to buy his useless anointing water and to visit his Church, they would know who he truly was.
Whatever anyone does is preceded by thought. So anyone that can have control over your mind can control every single action you take or can make your do anything even to kill yourself

Kobojunkie:
I was referred to him by one.

In his church are a gang that deal in referring people to the man too. The day it happened to me, right he3 in the U.S, I was shocked that an educated mind would see someone in my condition and try to take advantage of my situation in that way.

Doctors who refer patients under their care to faith healers are going against medical ethics..They are taking are huge risk that can lead to their licence being withdrawn. In fact any medical Doctor that would refer me to a faith healer is not properly trained or does not know what he or she is doing.

frog12:
he admired TB Joshua, but what matters is what illness TB Joshua had, and why he died suddenly

How do you expect me to know the cause of his illmes and why he had to die suddenly. I am not a prophet neither am I God

mutter:
Unfortunately I lost a dear one who refused to ake medica treatment and relied on the anointing water.

Exactly what I have tried to let some people understand.

Lots of people have lost their lives or have
had their health condition worsen by relying on the nonsense anointing water. These unfortunate victims were the sources of the money that came to TB Joshua.

frog12:
what happen to former Ghana president? he had throat cancer and died of brain stroke.

are you telling us, he was advised by TB Joshua?
but he visited hospitals in america

What was he doing in TB Joshua's synagogue?
Do you know?

slimman007:
My friend doctors do refers, there are ailments that are beyond doctors comprehension which only God can handle so doctors have no options than to refer such patients to man of God which they know.Are you saying doctors don't visit men of God for prayers especially when they fall sick after taken all sort of medications without result

Not true .You don't know the meaning of the word ,refer , when it comes to medical practice, Pastors are not medical consultants. So no Doctor would ever refer any patient to them.
In this part of the world , when a medical doctor ask you to pray because the condition seem to have defied treatment at the moment, he just saying that for you to keep faith in what he is doing with the hope that he may find solution later. But was happened and still continue to happen is that a lot of you religious people would wrongly interpret their words to mean that they are referring you to a pastor or prophet for further treatment. Any medical Doctor that refers a patient under his care to a pastor for further
treatment would automatically lose his licence when it is discovered
You don't know what you are saying.Any medical Doctor that consult with a pastor for any kind of treatment is doing that in his own personal capacity .It has nothing to with their practice or what they are trained for

Coldshisha:
You can doubt all you want , just pray nobody you know suffers Medical condition outside the scope of knowledge of a medical doctor

The woman in question even has a daughter working at UCH Ibadan as nurse

And you believe TB Joshua had the powers to treat any medical condition beyond what an Orthodox medical practioner can handle?

My friend, you have not been told the true story about what actually happened to the lady you claimed was healed.

I know of friends and family members who have been there . When they return, the story they tell outsiders is not completely true. Some of them, lost their lives after a time because they stopped taking their medications believing they have received a permanent cure. For those lucky to still be alive, the medication condition which made them go to TB Joshua in the first place, returned with full force and they are now forced to take their medication seriously.

The whole world witnessed what happened to the late Ghanaian president , Atta Mills , who ignored sound medical advice to visit the synagogue for healing.. He is late now ; A high profile victim of TB Joshua fake healing practice.



The gullible public failed to learn anything from that particular incident(not the only one) and still continue to visit the synagogue for non existent healing. Even in death, some persons are still begging to be allowed to touch his corpse with the believe they can still receive a miracle. Haha! They should allow the man to rest.

See my friend , dont defend anything or anyone when you have little information.

I know much more than you do about TB Joshua and what actually goes on in his synagogue..TB Joshua never had any powers to heal anyone during his life time.

Of course ,he knew he had no such powers hence when he was ill he had to secretly ferry himself somewhere else for treatment.

It is unfortunate that people are still defending him now that the truth has come out or is coming out . From what I know , I believe more would be revealed in the coming days

If you know of anyone who has a medical condition which has defied orthodox treatment or cure, my advice is to seek help from a competent alternative medicine practitioner . You can choose to pray while receiving such treatment.Sometime ago, I found myself in such a situation where I had no option but to seek alternative treatment and I got perfect cure.

Pastors or prophet can't do much for anyone when it comes to treating you. If by chance you receive any healing at all ,it is due to the power of your personal believe and not the one claiming to heal you. Most people do not have what it takes to muster the amout of believe required for faith healing to occur.

People should use their common sense and make use of what can actually cure them or manage their medical condtion instead of relying on illusory cure that would led to more pain and disappointment as we have come to see with TB Joshua and his likes masquerading as faith healers.

Coldshisha:
My friends mother was actually referred to Synagogue by medical doctor after wasting so much money on hospital bills

Anti Christ or not, water and anointing oil or not as long as people get value for their time and money and he is charitable to the society then he is an hero not a vilian

I doubt if a medical doctor would ever refer anyone to TB Joshua for treatment.

Is TB Joshua a medical consultant?

MISSCONGENIALITY:
Stupid talk from.a silly lady.
Rest in peace sir. I've never been to his church, be we used any of his oils or water, but I liked him. His talk, his philanthropic gestures not minding the race or religion.
Some people may say he was doing business, but he used the money to help people.

So, if an individual is making money from inflicting misery on others, he should be allowed to continue as long as he is using the money to help others?

iSpirit1:
I mean, "God created evil" should be understood in the context that "God created Lucifer" not "God is evil". God is not evil. He is good, and created good things. But, the good that God created transformed itself to Evil because God gave it Freewill.

And yeah, Lucifer and Satan are not the same. Because it was Lucifer God created, and not Satan. Had Lucifer remained the way God created him, Satan wouldn't evil. But, Satan came to being because Lucifer chose evil.

How then can one explain an evil spirit from GOd tormenting saul?

Here below;

1 Samuel 16:14-23

14 Now the spirit of the Lord departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the Lord tormented him. 15And Saul’s servants said to him, ‘See now, an evil spirit from God is tormenting you.

The fear of covid-19 is the beginning of stupidity

1Sharon:
Hallucinations are either caused by drugs, medications or mental illness.

Anyone who claims to see demons, ogbanjes, witches, Jesus is hallucinating and is mentally ill

When an individual is not on drugs, medications and has been certified mentally OK by a psychiatric doctor and yet still continue to see "things" , what then is the cause?
I have met people like that and still do. In fact have a friend who is a very brilliant lawyer and he sees things . But he doesn't refer to what he sees as demons..
Modified. Forgot to add that what my friend sees usually correspond to reality

Kobojunkie:
He has a "reduced" IQ? Was there ever a time when Biden never pleaded Christianity - I mean had a higher IQ?

You should be able to identify sarcasm wherever you find it

Workch:
Wow, that makes him the smartest person in the world

Be yourself. Not good pretending what you're not

Workch:
I couldn’t become a Christian because my IQ wasn’t low enough.

Imagine believing that a god that knows all regretted creating humans hence killed them in a flood. That god definitely doesn’t know the future, he’s got to be a bad planner for the obvious failed project.

I need to reduce my IQ by a lot in order to assimilate this story.

The president of the most powerful nation in the world, Joe Bien, is a Christian and I agree with you that he has a " reduced" IQ

Sheggy13:
There is nothing nonsensical about this write up. Stop picking up issues where there are none. This piece by Aketi is meant to be a rebuttal to Garba Shehu and his Fulani co-conspirators who are supposedly learned and should easily grasp whatever imagined complexity you perceive in this piece. It's not addressed to market women or motor park touts. By the way, what's complex about words like mendacious, extraneous, pervasive, parochialism, delineated, for God's sake? These are words that ordinarily would be required by SS3 students to find synonyms to in their WASSCE exams.

Read below and understand how the rest of the world view such press releases .

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-38827888.amp

Tobechuckwu:
I said so many testimonies of such has happened in Winners chapel.
I'm not promoting my church mind u, I'm profiling a solution to her.
I don't need to exchange words with u bcuz u are not d person in need of help.
If she goes to Winners chapel nd receive healing for his brothers, is it not her family that will enjoy it.
With everything they have administered to him in d hospital has he gotten any better?
I'm telling her what I think she should do... So Don't ever come to my quote section anymore.

Mad people don't get cured in winners chapel

Your church would worsen the problem..

Tobechuckwu:
Why I said u should go to Winners chapel or Canaan land, ota is bcuz there are so many testimonies of such. U can kindly reach out to any Pastor of Winners chapel nd get a mantle from the man of God, Bishop Oyedepo, Ur situation is just a small case in d hand of God.

If it is true that so mny mad people are being cured in winners chapel, everyone would know about it..

You don't need to lie to promote your church. Your church is not a psychiatric hospital and it is irresponsible to suggest that any mad person be taking there for healing.

sarjam05:
We need more intelligent and rational responders like you not some nit witted idiots making mockery of people’s dilemma. If you cannot proffer solutions keep shut rather than degrade yourself to bland sarcasms.
Thanks for your reply. Do you have anyone who can help me with this? My confusion has been if this power is positive or negative. I feel it deep within me and I know it’s lurking somewhere inside me. I cannot just call it to work but when I’m in an emergency situation it starts acting on its own. If only the fool that betrayed me on Nairaland knew what I could do if I cursed him he wouldn’t dare me but fools are fools so I’d take it he doesn’t know what he’s playing with.
Spiritual power is real. I used to hear and watch it in movies till I delved into it and yes it is very very very real. I have other experiences but let me stop here for now.
Kudos to you for giving this intelligent and affectionate response.
As concerns the energy I don’t think I want it out. I just hope it isn’t a sin.
However can I ask? Despite burning the soap and flouting the warning not to look back at the river do you think it’s still effective? I believe the reason I still feel the energy sometimes is cause it was put in my blood. This begs the question. Is the Ashe the one incised into my blood or do I need the other paraphernalia for it to be effective? I hope you understand my question. Did burning the soap do anything?

I am really flattered by the compliments. Thank you very much..I have found myself in your kind of situation in the past where I was desperately seeking for answers everywhere and I know firsthand from that experience what a careless talk or advise coming from anyone could do to messing up ones mind. So I try to be careful for what I say.

Whatever I have replied previously to you is drawn from what I have learnt from those who engage in such practices and also from having done something similar
in the past where I was also instructed not to look back as I leave the place . But I have long ago abandoned such practices. My path is different now.

Concerning the things you asked what I know is this. If you make a mistake or failed to adhere to instructions. while performing a ritual, then the job is not properly done and in some cases you might even hex yourself. .The effect from that can be mild or very severe .But the mistake can be corrected.

In your case, you would have had rest of mind a long time ago if fear had not made you to involve your parents and had gone back to the woman. immediately. I am sure if she is good in what she does, she would know there was "interference" and that you made some mistake while performing the ritual . A competent practitioner would already know something has gone wrong before you even report back. They can "see it" . If she can't know that. something went wrong, then she is not good enough not that she can't do the job of activating the Ashe

So I advise that since you want to retain what she did, then go back to her to complete or correct anything that may have gone wrong. No one that I know of would want take on the responsibility of a spiritual work started by another and it is not advisable going from one spiritualist to another seeking for solutions .You can open inner doors which can expose you to things you may not be able to handle.

The reason you gave for not going back to her is not enough.. Seek her out as if your life deoends on it and once you meet with her or those she work with, in case you can't find her, ask all the questions and you be would guided. You need guidance to handled what has been activated inside you of.. The power is neither positive or negative. But can become, as I already mentioned, a two edged sword when abused

Now this is very important. ,I advise you don't continue with this matter on nairaland. It doesn't matter if it is faceless forum. There are certain things you should keep to yourself. What you're exposing to the public is what you should be discussing privately with a competent practitioner and not just anyone .
Remove from fear from your mind. There's nothing to afraid of But do the right thing at the right time .

@op

From what I know about Ashe, those who really know what it is and can do the work would not just do it for anyone ..Certan consultations are carried out first to determine if it should be done for you or not because Ashe can become a two edged sword if you lack the discipline to handle the power (energy)which comes from it.

But then, there are lots of rogue practitioners who would do anything for you just for the money and "wash off" themselves from it so that you alone bear the consequences of what happens after..

Contrarily to what your Christian background tells you, Ashe only introduce its own unique energy into your space and not a demon. So your fears are unfounded..

If you're not comfortable with the energy raging inside of you and you want it removed, it can be done. What you need to do is to consult with knowledgeable and experienced practitioner to have it removed from your space. and you're free.

sarjam05:
A new blade I bought myself. Something was rubbed in the mixture then I went to a river to bathe. I was instructed not to look back and I must confess I kinda did cause I was really really scared. Was that the reason for the bad reaction?

OK then. I will take my time to reply you later .Busy now. But before then, I would also like to know if you still feel the pain in that part of your body you complained of

sarjam05:
A new blade I bought myself. Something was rubbed in the mixture then I went to a river to bathe. I was instructed not to look back and I must confess I kinda did cause I was really really scared. Was that the reason for the bad reaction?

OK then. I will take my time to reply you later .Busy now.

sarjam05:
I did Ashe many years ago but I’m yet to really understand what I did and the repercussions. After the incision was placed under my lips I had a terrible time going to sleep that night as there was heavy weight and pains on the right side of my face. It was a real spiritual experience. I experienced it live. It was like a spirit was fighting my spirit. The pain was especially in my right cheekbone. It was also like a weight was placed on the spot. The spiritualist also gave me a soap which I had used before bed time. I had to involve my parents who had to pray in Jesus name and the next day the soap was burnt but I know and still feel the power deep down inside me. Someone who understands my plight should please comment.

What object was used for the incision?