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justaqad: Lol...hmmmm logicboi wud never accept defeat even wen presented wit irrefutable facts.

Hmmm!

You seem to know him too well, do you also know what is wrong with him?

this greek influence infiltrated christianity after the death of the apostle.

Greek philosophy was considered a product of "higher learning" or higher education then just like the emphasis on a degree or degrees today.

This influence was so high that it was able to influence the so called church fathers after the death of the apostles.

The good is that alterations in the bible are easily rejected by the bible itself since it will Create contradictions Withing the bible, it will not have a clear sail from Genesis to revelation.

Ubenedictus: I knew these questions were coming, they only came a bit late. because john is writting with a greek audience in mind. He wrote in greek not aramic.
u see ur problem? D greeks had a system of philosophy, dat doesnt mean they had d truth, it simply means they have ideas and that concepts dat one may use to reach d audience. Paul said d unknown God is d pagan shrine was his God, does dat mean d pagans had d truth? No, instead he was using their concept to xplain a truth.
ignoratio elenchi, i never said d greeks had d truth! Nor did i say d knew it all

this is like asking y d epistle of paul if d holyspirit was help paul key into d unknown God. Ur question lacks purpose.

hahahaha, did u notice dat d concept of logos is foreign to d jews? He could only get dat concept frm 1 place and dats from d greeks, nobody is indoctrinating anything, d idea is clear enough.

the apostle john simply preached in a language dat was understandable to his audience, d greeks! The concept of logos is a greek concept it is totally foreign to d jew, wen John used it he simply upgraded d concept and used it to xplain a cucial point of doctrine. Paul did d same, he preached in a pagan town dat d unknown God in their shrine is d true God whom he came to preach abt, dat doesnt mean d pagans has d fulness of truth, it mean dat even in their corupted minds they still search for that which is true and at times they found some truth mixed with error, d work of d apostle is d remove d error a teach d truth dat is what john did.

^^^

lies.

Apostle paul did not say that the greek worship the true God, he simply use an illustration of a stature dedicated to an unknown god to tell them that there is a true God unknown to them(the greeks).

No wander some people worship anything they see.

Erm, the apostles words were never directed to any particular nation o!. Not even to the greeks.

See the instruction they we given by christ:

"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen." (Matthew 28:19-20).

Stop the lies.

Logicboy03: Agreed 100%




Agreed. But remember, worshipping Yaweh is a choice!




Can you Imagine the way it makes me feel, when you throw and keep mocking my intelligence by claiming that there is a god that will punish me for my atheism?

Secondly, I was a christian and so, I know your pain.




Are you crazy? Why are you talking as if this section belongs to christians or that atheists always barge into christian only threads. There are atheists threads as well and you christians barge into our threads as well.



First of all, worshipping God is a choice, having a father isnt. I didnt choose where I was born.

Secondly, dont compared my father who has taken care of me to some invisible guy that has never ever had evidence for his existence.




Yes, a God you have never seen or touched is greater than your father who took care of you. Would you kill your father if God told you?






I was a christian, you are nothing special

encroaching on my freedom.

Logicboy03:

Does religion fry people's brains or what?

Is this not the same thinking that has led to Nigeria having two laws? Intolerance- my religion should be put first. Sharia law and secular law- two opposing laws in the same country.


There should be one religion section with everybody being tolerant of each other but NL christians and muslims- especially the muslims can not tolerate opposing views. Furthermore, these two religions are so used to having their way that if another religion or irreligion gets its own rights, it is seen as discrimination.


If you have the right to claim that there is god, another man has the right to claim that there is no god.

However, the exceses of religion has blinded so many that the mere mention of there being no god is seen as oppression. This is what Truthislight has just shown.

boy. You are entitle to your personal opinion.

I, truthislight, i think i should be entitle to mine. No?

It is out of my freedom/freewill that i have chosen to worship yahweh.

It is out of your freedom/freewill that you have chosen not to worship yahweh.

Do you, or can you imagine the way it makes me feel when you throw and keep on mocking/insulting the entity i worship?

Is that fair of you? It should make me happy that you wish to stick a reproach on the board were issues concerning him are discussed and i and others come on here regularly to behold that right?

How do you feel when your human father is mention on this forum on passing without a direct insult directed at him? Angry? Yes.

Well, i feel worse, since it is your ocupation to insult yahweh and since he is beyond my human father, take note, i feel very bad.

Now you know how i feel.

toba: you are embarassing logic by ur display on NL. If we are to take a poll on the number of pple on NL that detest ur character, u know what the result would be.

Im i the only one that complain about you?

well, lets watched and see, someone own this forum and he is a very responsible person and is Definitly not abusive.

With the way things are going he may have to step up to his duty and responsibly.

toba: Let me educate you. This section by default is for the pple that practice religion. Go back to the religion section main board and see the caption seun added. 'it says share your belief in God/higher power. Those who believe in God are the ones that should share their belief and not those who's belief is in atheism

Also we used to have Just one moderator here, in person of AKO a christian. Seun wanted a co-moderator, hence ManMustwac applied in 2008 just like others did. Seun could have picked anyone. He could have picked a christian, skeptic, Deist or agnostic. So u need to get that

I think why atheist troll this section is cos of their obsession with God and Religion.

Simple

considering the insult one have to cope with by the day.

something is just not right.

manmustwac: You haven't won yet

Muskeeto's thread is just replacing AKO's thread called the "Religion Section Library Thread" that you destickied. His thread has nothing to do atheism. It just happened to be started by an atheist.


@logic boy
Yes i did promise to sticky your topic but i said you should give me a month to see if it still remains on the religion homepage not two weeks. So you got to wait till the the 1st of Feb if my memory is correct. Besides am going to go through every page of it later today and am not happy that my co mod disagrees with it we may have to come up with some agreement coz i don't want to end up stickying it against her will but i may have to

@JeSouL
It would have been better if you would have just ignore the post directed to me by logic boy and just reply me with a PM or leave a message in the moderator section chatroom. Likewise i should have asked your opinion before replying logic boy'S request in the first place. This is what happens when we don't communicate with each other and we both work as individuals. Remember Mudley313?

@all
The reason am a mod here is to make sure both sides of the scales stay balanced. The religion section is for all who want to discuss about religion or related to religion. Okay man must wack now. Will be back later

well, well, Well, even though i may object, i cannot be a rebel, so i should restrain myself.

However, if the muslim can have their section why not the atheist or christians?
At least with that "all" can stick whatever they like without offending the other person.

I think "all" should have their freedom, but that freedom ends where mind starts.

as to enable "all" excersis their freedom and stick whatever they want, should not the christians have their own board and a peculiar mod?

Why cant the muslim stick on this board as well?

Well, freedom sometimes comes at a price, is it not so?

Well, lets watch and see, we should not be rebels also.

JeSoul: Sometimes silence is the best answer but please, stop disrespecting MMW. He works hard keeping this place clean for all. Any more insults to his name/character and you will be banned.

Now you are acting like the mod around here.

"Spare the rod and spoil the child", though some children are already spoilt, without regards for authorities.

I am of the opinion you gave room for this.

Or is it : "over familiarity or patronising breeds contempt"?

Well, you know what to do.

brokoto: you are so wide off the mark that I would rather not reply you.
Stop making baseless assumptions. Peace.

what if he does not fall for your intent?

Oga Nwankwo, good day

the issue with this our discussion is that it has no reference point(authority , bible or something) tested and trusted.

i hope we will not just be expressing "ideals" in abstract talk.

[quote author=m_nwankwo]Hi truthislight. The union of a man and a woman who are meant for each other according to the laws of GOD has nothing to do with free s.ex and experimentation. On the contrary such a union is consecrated by the power of GOD, a power which banishes all lustful thoughts and desires. A man or woman who is inwardly pure do not indulge in secret or open impure wishes and desires.[/quote]exactly how do you practically do this?
(bible said human are imperfect, which is obvious)

[quote author=m_nwankwo]Spiritually free human beings are not victims of the over cultivated s.exual instinct, rather the fact that their marriage is a union of soul mates enables the couples to attract and absorb the purifying powers of GOD.[/quote]how do you possible that ^^^

[quote author=m_nwankwo]A couple that has absorbed of this power are transformed human beings whose only desire is to bring joy and happiness to the beloved and not to soil him or her with impure wishes and desires.[/quote]were are they?
(knowledge of God. No?) but you said "power"

[quote author=m_nwankwo]Indeed a marriage that is made in heaven is the best solution to to cure man`s morbid s.exual instinct and return this instinct to its healthy state.[/quote]be practical >> the process and state examples withreferences. Hope Not a closed group.

[quote author=m_nwankwo]S.exual instinct in its healthy state does not torment men, rather, it is a gift of GOD which finds consummation in unions that are in accord with the laws of GOD. S.exual desires arising from a healthy s.exual instinct does not often occur in men.[/quote]true, but right now human are inperfect, how can they manage?

[quote author=m_nwankwo]Today, the instinct is diseased and morbid and that is the reason why many a man or woman find it difficult to control.It also the reason why many cannot be in a relationship without harboring open or secret s.exual desires.[/quote]yes, imperfect human in disregard for the instruction and law of God(bible)

[quote author=m_nwankwo]The condition for a s.exual relationship according to the laws of GOD is that there has been previously set in motion a perfect spiritual harmony, ie, a marriage according to the laws of GOD.[/quote]exactly how?

[quote author=m_nwankwo]Therefore, the question of s.exually sampling one person after another is totally out of question.[/quote]yes it is, without a restrain(law) and control.
Have you ever given your 8yrs old kid absolute freedom? No. Try it.

Without law, how do you get that ^^?

[quote author=m_nwankwo]When two couples are meant for each other, then the chords holding them together are unbreakable,[/quote]at what point do they know this and how do they come to know this and know when to start having S.ex?

Be practical. Fancy and idealism will not help us.

[quote author=m_nwankwo]thus the permanence of the marriage is assured from the very start.[/quote]lol. How? Be practical sir.

[quote author=m_nwankwo]The same unbreakable bond of love which has received a higher consecration from the power of GOD eliminates any desire for another man or another woman.[/quote]consecration, consecration, how? vodoo?
Be practical sir.

[quote author=m_nwankwo]The observation that couples in "married" or "unmarried" unions still openly or secretly harbour s.exual desires about another man or woman that is not his spouse or partner is an infallible sign that that marriage did not fulfill the criteria for a genuine marriage according to the laws of GOD, or that one or both partners have stagnated and have refused to develop spiritually, psychically and physically.[/quote]yes, there is a failure, but it is a failure of imperfect humans failing to heed the law of God. No?

What do you mean by "develop Spiritually" by the way?

[quote author=m_nwankwo]Young men and women who are in search of the person meant for them do not need to travel all the continents looking for a soul mate.[/quote]why not? Afteral, every body have "a soul mate"!,
Should they not look for the one that is theirs? (according to you i mean)

must their soul mate be next door?


[quote author=m_nwankwo]If they allow the small still voice within them to grow and not forcefully silence it, then, they will very easily identify the man or woman who is their own according to the laws of GOD.[/quote]lol. "still voice" why still voice?
Is it because we are inperfect?
How does it tell you who is your wife "appointed or chosen" from heaven and no error?
No attraction, beauty, language or other consideration, you just know?

A one off perfect spot on and you can start having se.x

and one can never go wrong? how ?

[quote author=m_nwankwo]Experiencing such a true marriage will give them the conviction that marriage is indeed made in heaven. Stay blessed.[/quote]i know all others that red this will be wandering how?

I will want to tell you that what you pointed out are "idealism" a wished perfect scenerio.

My bible talked about God's kingdom, but you are talking about now.

Care to be practical? How
Hmmm!

Pastor AIO: A big omission in my posts: I said that doctrinal biases influence translations. I forgot to add another and heftier point and that is that Translations have a massive influence on Doctrines. It is a two way street.

you are absolutely correct there ^^^.

Ubenedictus: we cant cant deny dat d concept of "logos" seem to have been borrowed and upgraded from greek philosophy, it seems, under d inspiration of d holy spirit st john particularly chose d word dat to xplain a xtian concept to d greek.

to which greek? Was the bible written with greek ideology or Jewish?

"You worship what you do not know, we worship what we know: salvation originate with the Jews. " (John 4:22). (Jesus words)
.................

Why then will John have to explain Greek philosophy when he is under the inspiration of the holy spirit?

Was it that the Greeks already have the truth and yahweh only wanted to key into it?

If the Greeks already have the truth, what exactly then do you want the gospel to preach to them that is new to attract them to christ?

Why even the gospel if the greek philosophy is what the holy spirit wanted to help John to key into? Any need for the gospel? (Afteral the greek had it right already)

the truth is that those that were already influence by greek philosophy twisted the words of John to suit their indoctrinated greek notion which was not what John was saying and ended up creating the confusion we have today in christianity.

Dont even go the side you are trying to go because the apostles already gave the warning that when the apostles died off, men will come in and adultrate the truth.

Even Jesus talked about the "weed and the weath" , the weed planted by an enemy.

Well, take note, Jesus said that they should grow together that angels will do the separation at the end.

advocate666: My stooping to your level has it's limits. If I start making sense to you, that means I'm doomed.
Hell! How low should I lower my IQ before you start understanding me? Make an effort at intelligence and maybe we will meet at the middle.

silence is the best answer for a ............

Goshen360: This Gospel of DISCRIMINATION against women in the body of Christ MUST come to an END! You guys need to understand what Apostle Paul was saying before coming out here to talk. Thank you!

Care to shade more light to this ^^ statement above?

I notice you have refused to take a definite stance on what you believed the NT/apostles said and there stance.
Please do state your stance and understanding clearly please.
Peace.

advocate666: Frosbel, save face now. Oya, use your bible to prove your bible because that's all that you've got.

How exactly do you want him to do that?

brokoto: Mr. Frosbel I'm still waiting on your response. Its been a couple of days now...

is this the right way to go about such investigations or you are just a critic in disguise after frosbel?

Unless frosbel has time to west he should not bother with this issues of yours.

Try and carry out you investigation outside this forum, you just may happen to see people you should ask such questions out there without tantrums.

To me, you are just hating at frosbel for presenting his religious beliefs as the "truth"

Maybe you are a muslim or something closed to that.

If you feel that christianity is not the right religion, it is up to you to put forward your reasons and not to ask a man to state his life experience in an open forum.

My 2 cent.
Peace.

advocate666: Well, well, well. It looks like we have a "brave" soldier od Jizz-Us who would not run. A rare phenomenom.
How does Jizz-Us like what you are typing? Guess he is jumping with joy.

*sigh*

west of time.

Better start making sense guy.

Stalwert: Wow really interesting arguments made in this thread in my opinion atheists will have to launch a massive counter attack to undo the many evidence for the Irrationality of atheism, as the evidence so far proves the thread right . . . Anyway my opinion.

I move a motion that this thread be permanently stationed on the very first page of the religion section, I think we have witness a very healthy dialogue that future posters can benefit from!

Pls endorse the above motion with your support!

it reminds me of one young boy that keeps asking that a certain thread of his be pested on the permanent board in front.

With such argument of his then this and others will pass for recomendation then.

On that ^^ basis, your course is support.

advocate666: The colourful vocabulary of the godly is truly amazing. You people are really a case study.

it means your month produces what is supposed to be coming from ones a.nus, smelling.

Is it not?

Reyginus: A statement of unbelief in religion to be sticked in a religion section. Does it make any sense to you?

Reyginus: Lol@sign of tolerance. Hope you know why I'm laughing?
But seriously, it makes no sense to even ask for a position in a system you don't agree with. How intelligent of you Ol' Knight:-D

he wants to destroy this religious section.
He wants to spoil seun business by turning back some people from coming to this section.

Logicboy03: Manmustwacc.


Please, you have to stick my thread to the top front top the religion section.


My thread has more posts than Muskeeto's "best religion section threads" thread, even with my attempt to stifle debate on my thread.
Furthermore, if you search the internet you will mostly find 5 or ten reasons religion, hardly anyone reaches over 20.
However, there is only one on the internet that has 50 reasons why God is imaginary with repetitive arguments against an Abrahamic God. My thread is against both God and religion


My thread has 169 posts and 42 arguments in 17 days

Muskeeto's thread has 149 posts in over 6 months.


Also note that everyone on muskeeto's thread was not submitting links rather much of it was arguments and comments on issues.



I honestly think that my thread should be there

are you the only one in this forum?

What do you imagined your opinions holds?

Stick what?

striktlymi: Lol!

I am tempted to agree with you on this sir but don't you think that when a 'sane man' interacts with a 'mad man', then the sanity of the 'sane man' can be called to question?

lol.

You are having time for this guy that seems to have an.us for a mouth.

striktlymi: Hi Nwankwo,

I trust you are preparing to have lunch cause I know I am.



I am glad that your post was not intended to justify fornication. I must confess that I was scared for a moment there.



First of all, I respect the fact that the above is your conviction on the matter and quite frankly, I tend to agree with some of the comments you made above but some others are rather obscure.

I don't know what your definition of fornication is cause I am quite concerned that you tried to suggest a distinction between what God calls fornication and what the 'Church' agrees to be fornication. I am of the opinion that fornication is quite clear and the definition of the 'Church' is the same as that proffered in sacred scriptures (which represents God's words).

I quite agree with you when you suggested that some factors MUST be present before a union will be considered as acceptable before God. 'By union I mean one who is properly married'. You mentioned "psychic compatibility", I am not sure what you mean by this but I am of the opinion that a union entered in deceit should not be considered to be a proper marriage and as such the union should be annulled (implying that there was no marriage in the first place).

Your use of intimacy is also quite vague. If your usage of 'initmacy' has some sex.ual undertone then I do not agree that this is permitted for those who are unmarried irrespective of their love, spiritual and 'psychic' compatibility. If two unmarried individuals believe they are meant for each other, then they should get married rather than being involved in fornication.


Thank you!

Good one @striktlymi.

there is a thing about male female relationship, if the rules are not followed we will carry on the "experiment" to the detriment of others and end up encroaching on the rights of others.

The question comes, how, where and when does one draw the line on having s.ex and not having se.x?

When do you conclude that this person is absolutely your compatible partner?

When you have concluded or thought so, is it not possible you may have missed something that can cause a change of heart?
What if you had already cross the line(had s.ex)?

And how many people will you repeat this scenerio with?

The circle goes on and on till only God knows how far it will go.

And wont this lead to abused and exploitation of the "weak" amongst us?

Lol. Better imagined than otherwise.

striktlymi: ^^^
Good morning Nwankwo,

I hope you are not trying to justify fornication?

lol. Imo!.

Coming from you on this thread, i wander.

Without boundaries it is sure tending to anachy.

No one says getting a compatible marriage met is bad, but a "sodom and gormorah" like lifestyle is a recipe for disaster.

That is why drawing the line is consistent with human nature and peaceful co-existence.

frosbel: ^^
No one is questioning the mechanics , rather we are debating on the source and design of this process.

This process which you described is not a random happening , only those who are confused and intentionally dishonest will refute the truth about it's source.

^^^
you have just stated the truth my friend.

wirinet: Wonderment. There is nothing we will not heart from Christian theists. So the freezing of water is now evidence of intelligent design?

1. My friend you need to go back to school (probably SS2) to learn basic physics or chemistry. Because you do not understand a think about freezing characteristics of water.

Yes, cold water is denser than warmer water and thus sink below the warmer water; but there is a caveat, at 4'C the situation begins to reverse, so that water colder than 4'C begins to expand as a result of hydrogen bonding. This makes water at 4'C less dense (lighter) than water at 5'C, and therefore floats on warmer water.

At 0'C water (ice) is almost 9% lighter than water at say 1'C. That is why ice floats on water.

2. Water exhibits this property because at 4'C positively charged hydrogen atoms begins to repel the negatively charged oxygen atoms, It is the nature of hydrogen bonding.

3. It is this unique property of water that allows ice to form an insulating layer over seas and oceans thereby not allowing the seas to freeze up, making it possible for fishes and other living things to survive in frozen oceans and waters.

Honestly, the governments needs to declare a state of emergency in science education in Nigeria. This will reduce the high level of superstition and religiously in the country. It is unbelievable that the freezing of water is now attributed to God. I wonder what they would attribute the caurse of mental illness, Satan?

apart from your "irrational" rant, it is obvious that you have answered your self.

Matter is either intelligent or it is not intelligent.

We have living things in water, without this characteristic of water and the water becomes ice, i wander what will become of the fishes and living things therein.

No need to west my time. It is either it came by chance or it was designed.

Atheism = irrationality. QED

frosbel: Some beautiful quotes from eternal torment champions.

Image123 will be proud of these wonderful , kind and godly men.


"In order that the happiness of the saints will be more delightful ... they are permitted perfectly to behold the sufferings of the damned. ... The saints will rejoice in the punishment of the damned ... which will fill them with joy."
--St. Thomas Aquinas

"The happiness of the elect will consist in part of witnessing the torments of the damned in hell, among whom may be their own children, parents, husbands, wives and friends; ... but instead of taking the part of their miserable being, they will say 'Amen!', 'Hallelujah!', 'Praise the Lord!'"
--Rev. Nathaniel Emmons (1745 - 1840)

"You are going to see again the child ... that was condemned to hell. See! It is a pitiful sight. The little child is in this red hot oven. Hear how it screams to come out.... It beats its head against the roof of the oven. It stamps its little feet on the floor of the oven. ... You can see on the face of this little child what you see on the faces of all in hell - despair, desperate and horrible."
--Rev. J. Furniss, in "Tracts for Spiritual Reading", a popular booklet for children (late 19th Century)

they are sadist it seems to me!

Enigma: Yep, (in light of post above) 'directed panspermia' is now on its way to the thread - as I had expected; in fact reading back I see that there were a couple of indirect references to it or to a similar concept at least.

On another note, I see a claim that in a multiverse theory there would be no 'space' between universes but a 'void'! Obvious question: what is this 'void' or what is a 'void'?

Further, it also touches on the perrennial question of what is the known universe itself expanding into. I vary that a little: the 'singularity' itself existed in what dimension --- some 'space' or some 'void'? And at the big slam itself the 'singularity' expanded into what exactly?

lol.

Enigma, you read what sinlessness some finite fellow will say and wishes to believe you just cant help wandering why?

The other aspect is that they are constantly spining the norton that it loses all rational basis for considering it.
Smh for them.

what is the anomalouse characteristic of water?

In a simple term:

it is the process that coldest water(ice) instead of following the rational convention of cold water staying at the bottom part it reverses the process and the cold water(ice) goes to the surface.

That is why we have ice on the surface of water instead of staying under as rational convention of matter dictate and as the initial process was.

The question is Why?

advocate666: Hahahah.
So funny. So you mean Satan is doing god's will? He is his angel?

Guy, not so.

He said he may have used the wrong choice of word to express his thought.

Good he had already done the clarification befor your coming

frosbel: "for he does not willingly afflict or grieve the children of men" - Lamentations 3:33

"The Almighty is beyond our reach and exalted in power; in his justice and great righteousness, he does not oppress" - Job 37:23

Oh how the false church has misrepresented the character of GOD and are unknowingly doing the devils bidding !

*dont cry, dont cry*

Just keep on doing the Good work.

The honest hearted ones will see the truth and take action for their salvation.

That is why preaching the truth is very important befor God right now.

Peace.