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advocate666: No, my dear. Satan is not for tormenting. He is a lover of pleasure. It is your god that displays sadistic tendencies.

goshap: rily lemma tak a pik, POWER,POWER N MORE POWER. Wealth,wealth n more wealth at the end wat, the hunger is stil der. Yes ul spend eternity wit ur master true bt ul spend it in torment in his very hands. Der an end game 2 evertin in life.

goshap: rily lemma tak a pik, POWER,POWER N MORE POWER. Wealth,wealth n more wealth at the end wat, the hunger is stil der. Yes ul spend eternity wit ur master true bt ul spend it in torment in his very hands. Der an end game 2 evertin in life.

Reyginus: Where is the lie? You think he's with you?

obadiah777: WHY DO THOU PERSECUTETH ME TRUTHISLIGHT

Todaynatoday: By the way (off topic) why were such books declared apocryphal?

obadiah777: NOW HERE IS AN INTELLIGENT MAN. WELL LET ME TELL YOU WHY THEY WERE MADE APOCRYPHAL. WHEN THE GREEK EMPIRE TOOK OVER THE WORLD FOLLOWED BY THE ROMAN EMPIRE. THEY STARTED SOMETHING CALLED ICONOCLASM. THEY WANTED THE WORLD TO BELIEVE THAT CIVILIZATION STARTED WITH THE GREEKS. HOWEVER IN THE APOCRYPHAL IT CLEARLY STATES THAT THE GREEKS AND ROMANS ARE CAVEMEN WHO LIVED IN THE ROCKS OF MT SEIR BEFORE THEY TOOK OVER THE WORLD AND THAT CIVILIZATION STARTED WITH THE NEGROS. SO THIS PART OF THE BIBLE HAD TO BE TAKEN OUT TO SUPPORT THEIR ICONOCLASTIC LIES OF THE GRECO-ROMAN EMPIRE BEING THE CIVILIZERS OF THE WORLD.

THE APOCRYPHA ARE THE BOOKS TAKEN OUT BETWEEN MALACHI AND MATTHEW. THEY INCLUDE BOOKS LIKE THE MACCABEES, ECCLESIASTICUS, WISDOM OF SOLOMON, TOBIT

Todaynatoday: By the way (off topic) why were such books declared apocryphal?

truthislight: the OT are writing by prophet of Yahweh, Judges of Yahweh, approved kings of Yahweh, and the levit.

The NT is an exclusive teaching and epistles of christ apostles(mark and luke wrote history)

who wrote the apocriphals?

Definitely not individual on that group.

Todaynatoday: Oh! I see, but I thought that early christians made use of these books before compilation of the Bible. Methinks Reincarnation might be true. By the way (off topic) why were such books declared apocryphal?

seriallink: ^^^ We all made his list of nairaland pharisees. Your name is there too

Femmymata2: But you'll agree that soul,spirit has something to do with afterlife. Guess u are familiar with the idea of a soul/spirit living the body after death.

Joagbaje: The so called exposition is simply personal misunderstanding of scriptures. Law being abolished has no reliance to spiritual principles which are eternal.

Op has not been able to answer my question. Honoring your father and mother ,is it done away with alongside with the law? Apart from the fact that tithing is a principle which preceded the law.

obadiah777: LOL THOSE ARE PARABLES NOT REAL STORIES. YOU DO ERR

Joagbaje: If you’re born again, walking in love doesn’t have to be a struggle; you were born to love. You have the nature of love; therefore, you can love God and love your brothers and sisters in Christ truly. Shine the searchlight of God’s Word on your heart today and be sure the attributes of love listed in 1 Corinthians 13 form the basis of your relationship with others.

BARRISTERS: [size=18pt] For to which of the angels did He ever say:

“You are My Son, (Heb. 1:5)(king james version).[/size]



answer, ......To the firstborn of all creation..colosian 1:15.which is reffered to as ''my messenger'' (spirit messenger) or angel(greek meaning), in malachi 3:1. and no other messenger/angel that can duplicate the very first creation,archo-angellos, and no one

apart from the 'very first' creation merit being reffered to as ''you are my son'' and “Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool” (verse 13).

can you dispute that?

advocate666: For somebody who has unlimited capabilities, your god is doing a heck of job.

advocate666: satan is doing a heck of a job.

chukwudi44: no one is saying a xtian should be poor.The fact remains that you can still be a good xtian and remain poor depending on God's plan

advocate666: No, you are not thinking.
There is not enough space on earth to contain everybody if people don't die.

Logicboy03: Did you know that I was a christian apologist as well?




I mentioned the BBC because you were ignorantly attacking the poster. I was just trying to tell you that it was not some random vdeo of some crackpots talking nonsense about religion.

It was a BBC programme with Anglicans, protestants, muslims and the unbelieveing christians



Unfortunately, you forget the first rule of Anonyism- Interpretation is king

The verses you put up there could be metaphorical. "The father" could represent Jesus's sense of morality and existence.









The miracles are not the central part of Jesus teaching and it is not relevant how he was born- his teachings are what is important.

JeSoul: That would be a negative sir . Infact I spent many a thread 'bashing' them here in the past. Silly me.

frosbel: [size=16pt]“…to which one of the angels did he ever say: ‘You are my Son’” (Heb. 1:5).[/size]

advocate666: Please stop. Do you really think this or are you joking?

advocate666: Do you know that you are one in billions of spermatozoids that survived? So if no death, what happens to spermatozoids?

advocate666: So, I imagine no miscarriages then,

advocate666: no limit to child bearing age

advocate666: because the day women stop bearing children, they'll be disobeying the command to go and multiply

advocate666: are you proposing anachy?

There will be law and over experciall considering that those that will be privilege to be there have already proved with their choices now that Yahweh's laws are the standard the opera and want to operate.

All law breakers will not be part of the new system. Selection for this kingdom that is to come is done based on our choices we make with our life.

advocate666: No abortion,

advocate666: No miscariage

advocate666: No old people

advocate666: just billions and billions of multiplying able bodied young men and women filling up a geographically limited earth.

advocate666: you can stab your mother dont worry she will not die.

advocate666: Why eat?

advocate666: Hunger can't kill you. etc, etc, etc.

advocate666: Why did god tell adam to eat other fruits if hunger can't kill him?

advocate666: Please think.

Malawian: Introduction to the Angels



Since ancient times the Angels have been venerated with great respect. With the rise of New Age and Occultism comes an urgent need to understand these celestial benefactors in the light of our Catholic faith and tradition.

Angels are pure spirits, sinless servants of God. "Are they not all ministering spirits, sent to minister for them who shall receive the inheritance of salvation?" Heb. 1:13-14. The Angels are comprised of 9 choirs; Seraphim, Cherubim, Thrones, Dominions, Powers, Virtues, Principalities, Archangels and Angels. Particularly powerful are the 7 great Archangels spoken of in Apoc VIII:2 "And I saw 7 Angels standing in the presence of God".

When Luciel (Bearer of Light) rebelled against God and became Lucifer (Prince of Darkness) one entire choir of angels followed him and was lost. Many angels from other choirs also followed him in his rebellion. "And there was a great battle in heaven, Michael and his angels fought with the dragon, and the dragon fought, and his angels: And they prevailed not, neither was their place found any more in heaven. And that great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, who is called the devil and satan, who seduceth the whole world; and he was cast unto the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him." Apoc 12:7-9

7 angels from the second lowest choir were so outraged by the terrible offense to the dignity of the Most High they positioned themselves between the Throne of God and the infernal offenders, prepared to defend the honor and dignity of God, in spite of their inferiority to Lucifer and his legions. God was so moved by their heroic love he elevated them, enriching them with many new gifts and graces. So lofty was their new office that they were given the privilege of standing eternally before the Throne of God to carry out the Divine Will. "And from the throne proceeded lightnings and voices and thunders; and there were seven lamps burning before the throne, which are the seven spirits of God." Apoc 4:5. "Bless the Lord all ye His angels: you that are mighty in strength and execute His word, hearkening to the voice of His orders." Ps 102:20

The names of the 3 most commonly invoked Archangels, St. Michael, St. Raphael and St. Gabriel are found in Sacred Scripture. Unlike sects tied to a Bible-only understanding of God and creation we have sacred tradition, the writings of the saints and private revelation to expand our understanding and enlighten us.

In 1050 St. Celias made an exhaustive study of the approved writings of the Early Church Fathers up to the 4th century. In this way we have come to know the names of all 7 of these mighty Archangels, the meaning of their names and the sacrament each is patron of.

Since the 4th century these 7 Archangels have been honored in the Roman Martyrology. In Mettenheim Bavaria is the Catholic Church dedicated to the Seven Great Archangels. It is now over 250 years old. On the 18th of October 1720, this church was dedicated. Each of the 7 Archangels was mentioned by name in the consecration prayer by Rev. Franz Wagensberg, Bishop of Salzberg. Inside the church are 7 altars, each dedicated to one of the Archangels with a statue of the Archangel it was dedicated to. The dedication by a legitimate Catholic Bishop is additional proof of the correctness of the names and an encouragement to active devotion to these angels!

Pope Pius V said in his Bull to the Spanish Clergy, permitting and encouraging the worship of the seven archangels: "One cannot exalt too much these seven rectors of the world, figured by the seven planets, as it is consoling to our century to witness by the grace of God the cult of these seven ardent lights, and of these seven stars reassuming all its luster in the Christian republic." (Les Sept Esprits et l'Histoire de leur Culte; De Mirville's 2nd memoir addressed to the academy. Vol. II. p. 358.)

Michelangelo was ordered to adorn the church dedicated to Mary and the Seven Archangels, with a fresco of 7 Archangels on the altar, in Rome in the 16th century. In addition, the liturgy to Seven Archangels has been confirmed and was still in use around 1800 and has not been abolished, only it is not being practiced.

Below is the fresco of Mary amidst the Seven Archangels, in St Maria Degli Angeli in Rome from the web page: http://www.santamariadegliangeliroma.it.
Originally, during the reign of Pope Gregor XIII it was intended to build seven separate chapels there, dedicated to each of the Seven Archangels.

advocate666: Hehe. So the world would be full of extremely old people today. Even you, with your IQ, should know that it makes no sense.

frosbel: [size=16pt]“…to which one of the angels did he ever say: ‘You are my Son’” (Heb. 1:5).[/size]

frosbel: Why is it so difficult to agree with the bible in all it's simplicity , that Jesus Christ is the Son of GOD ?

Jesus Christ was born as a MAN without a human father hence his divinity , but with a human mother hence his humanity.

He was not a pre-existent angel or a pre-existent God , he is the Son of GOD.

Under normal circumstances , if we wanted to know someone a little more, we will ask him questions about himself/herself and and also their closest friends and family members.

Now , when we apply this simple logic to Jesus Christ , what did he say about himself ?

He called himself Son of MAN , the way the truth and the life, the one who is to come etc , but he never once called himself GOD or an Angel.

What about his closet friends and family , they called him the Messiah, Christ , God's anointed one, Son of GOD , but never did they speak about a pre-existent Jesus who was either a GOD or an angel.

Even demons who should know better , never once called him an angel or GOD , they always called him Son of the most high.

Scripture is so so simple and yet we have made it so complex that many babes in Christ including some adults are deceived with the volumes and volumes of twisted theology trying to explain concepts that do not exist.

It is time you think for yourself, read the bible for yourself, ask God for wisdom and stop defending the creeds and beliefs of your organisation.

This is not what we want, we want truth which is in JESUS .

Jesus Christ is a glorified ADAM , the Lord of Lords , King of Kings, our High priest and saviour.

Malawian: Introduction to the Angels



Since ancient times the Angels have been venerated with great respect. With the rise of New Age and Occultism comes an urgent need to understand these celestial benefactors in the light of our Catholic faith and tradition.

Angels are pure spirits, sinless servants of God. "Are they not all ministering spirits, sent to minister for them who shall receive the inheritance of salvation?" Heb. 1:13-14. The Angels are comprised of 9 choirs; Seraphim, Cherubim, Thrones, Dominions, Powers, Virtues, Principalities, Archangels and Angels. Particularly powerful are the 7 great Archangels spoken of in Apoc VIII:2 "And I saw 7 Angels standing in the presence of God".

When Luciel (Bearer of Light) rebelled against God and became Lucifer (Prince of Darkness) one entire choir of angels followed him and was lost. Many angels from other choirs also followed him in his rebellion. "And there was a great battle in heaven, Michael and his angels fought with the dragon, and the dragon fought, and his angels: And they prevailed not, neither was their place found any more in heaven. And that great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, who is called the devil and satan, who seduceth the whole world; and he was cast unto the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him." Apoc 12:7-9

7 angels from the second lowest choir were so outraged by the terrible offense to the dignity of the Most High they positioned themselves between the Throne of God and the infernal offenders, prepared to defend the honor and dignity of God, in spite of their inferiority to Lucifer and his legions. God was so moved by their heroic love he elevated them, enriching them with many new gifts and graces. So lofty was their new office that they were given the privilege of standing eternally before the Throne of God to carry out the Divine Will. "And from the throne proceeded lightnings and voices and thunders; and there were seven lamps burning before the throne, which are the seven spirits of God." Apoc 4:5. "Bless the Lord all ye His angels: you that are mighty in strength and execute His word, hearkening to the voice of His orders." Ps 102:20

The names of the 3 most commonly invoked Archangels, St. Michael, St. Raphael and St. Gabriel are found in Sacred Scripture. Unlike sects tied to a Bible-only understanding of God and creation we have sacred tradition, the writings of the saints and private revelation to expand our understanding and enlighten us.

In 1050 St. Celias made an exhaustive study of the approved writings of the Early Church Fathers up to the 4th century. In this way we have come to know the names of all 7 of these mighty Archangels, the meaning of their names and the sacrament each is patron of.

Since the 4th century these 7 Archangels have been honored in the Roman Martyrology. In Mettenheim Bavaria is the Catholic Church dedicated to the Seven Great Archangels. It is now over 250 years old. On the 18th of October 1720, this church was dedicated. Each of the 7 Archangels was mentioned by name in the consecration prayer by Rev. Franz Wagensberg, Bishop of Salzberg. Inside the church are 7 altars, each dedicated to one of the Archangels with a statue of the Archangel it was dedicated to. The dedication by a legitimate Catholic Bishop is additional proof of the correctness of the names and an encouragement to active devotion to these angels!

Pope Pius V said in his Bull to the Spanish Clergy, permitting and encouraging the worship of the seven archangels: "One cannot exalt too much these seven rectors of the world, figured by the seven planets, as it is consoling to our century to witness by the grace of God the cult of these seven ardent lights, and of these seven stars reassuming all its luster in the Christian republic." (Les Sept Esprits et l'Histoire de leur Culte; De Mirville's 2nd memoir addressed to the academy. Vol. II. p. 358.)

Michelangelo was ordered to adorn the church dedicated to Mary and the Seven Archangels, with a fresco of 7 Archangels on the altar, in Rome in the 16th century. In addition, the liturgy to Seven Archangels has been confirmed and was still in use around 1800 and has not been abolished, only it is not being practiced.

Below is the fresco of Mary amidst the Seven Archangels, in St Maria Degli Angeli in Rome from the web page: http://www.santamariadegliangeliroma.it.
Originally, during the reign of Pope Gregor XIII it was intended to build seven separate chapels there, dedicated to each of the Seven Archangels.

Ubenedictus: so God was ignorant that satan's proposition cannot be good so God had to wait and see? That is a load of nonesense. GOD already knew the result of satans deception, he allowed it because he created man a free being and it is man's job to chose wu he will serve.

Boomark: Thank you!

He erred not knowing what Job 4:7 means. Ps 37:9 would have helped him.

The thin line of deceit has be blown. We are in the last days.

chukwudi44: Mr man tobit is part of the sacred scriptures.It is not an extra-biblical book as it was canonised alongside other scriptures @ the synod of hippo.

And no where does the book of tobit contradict any other teachings of the other scriptures.

The book of tobit has always been in the bible right from the creation of the bible in the fourth century and is as valid as anyother scripture as a source of scriptural authourity.I may not want to discuss this further except in another tread to avoid derailing the topic

frosbel: Jesus Christ did not pre-exist as a spirit , he was BEGOTTEN through MARY as a MAN , as the Son of GOD.

Tell me , why did Jesus Christ have to pre-exist ?