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newmi: The issue of tithing is in reality not a discuss of the law yes the introduction of the new dispensation out stead the law thus abrogaTing and rendering it practically obsolete. Tithing as a practice preexisted the law as evident in Genesis 14 where Abraham gave the tithe of all the spoil of war to Melchizedek. It a practice that revealed a pattern of referentially recognition of the one and only true covenant God. This talk of people being forced or compelled against their will or capacity to give tithe is not true people are only thought to give cheerfully.

Joagbaje: Beautiful ! And the man is Jesus christ who lives forever as our high priest. You only supported my position.



Ouch ! ! you got the spelling wrong. I may not respond to you any longer , as youve degenerated into insults

Joagbaje: Prove it.



Someoneelse will also say "I don't pray and I'm ok" it's your personal decision . It doesn't change truth



It's still your peronsl decision



What's the source ?

Joagbaje: It's base on same principles dear. Either for tithes or offerings. People gave cash that's my point . Confront the scripture I gave and stop looking for loop hole.

You guys claim that men didn't give money as tithes in the bible . And I'm trying to clear you on the principle of redemption. Men did use money as tithe. It is not pastors invention .If you're not yet clear on this let's discuss it more. Pls no insult

The only acceptable thing in the sanctuary were the things priests could use. Other things were not acceptable ,they were converted into money. For example Carmel is an unclean animal. If a man rears Carmel ,he can't bring a tithe of it. He will give money equivalent of it. Money is general medium of exchange . Also it's not every crop that can be brought to the temple . Others were sold and the money brought in. It is called redemption.

Leviticus 27:31
And if a man will at all redeem ought of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof.



You can redeem tithe , offering, or first fruit With money

Pastor Kun: I am sure I am not the one you are responding to with the above out of context deut 14:25 you posted. Another example of your deceitful manipulative self. Was the money mentioned in the verse meant to be given to the temple or used to buy food items for the consumption of the tither and his family? Why did you leave out verse 26 which explains the use of the tithe money. I know you wrote what you wrote to further deceive others reading this thread cos we've been through this before and I exposed your deceitfully position.

Joagbaje: I seriously doubt if you and other manipulative church enemies and hate preachers have any plans of meeting God one day.

Pastor Kun: Bros how much do you know about tithes? since when did levites/priests become pastors/church? Is that not twisting of scriptures? Have you read deut 14:22-29 before? if not i would seriously advise you to read it before you say what you know nothing about? did God request for monetary tithes from income? If not is it right for pastors to change the word of God to justify tithing in the church? Did new testment christians tithe? Are christians under the law of moses that demanded tithes or under grace? Do you know that tithing was brought to an end in the bible? If you don't read hebrews 7:5-19 you would see were the the tithe law was anulled and described as a weak useless and unprofitable law.

Joagbaje: It's just your opinion, and you are entitled to it. I don't know if any who is planning to meet God someday will embark on scam in his name. We will all face judgement someday

Joagbaje: The matter of choice I meant here is whatever extra we add to it. But it should not be less than the 10% .tenth is mans worship to his God . 10% of our earnings is Gods own . And it should





Free will is by choice. It belong to us. The tithe doesn't belong to us. It belong to God. I can decide not to give free will . But the tithe is not my own . If I eat it ,I have eaten Gods own .

obadiah777: ecclesiastes 12 vs 7 and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it

the bolded means another part is existing somewhere.

Antivirus92: just the same thing, a student will pick up a chemistry text book and go through it from page one to the last. And later another student who read her/his jotter will take the first position in that same class where as the text book-reader is only found on the weak pass category. Reason,the text book reader cannot make anything out from what she read, and she won't listen to her/his teacher either because she believed in her text book. At the end of the day,she gathers nothing and fail even though she can quote all the laws in the text book. Orally she/he is good but pratically, a failure. The girl that read her jotter was able to read the text book,listen to the teacher and then was able to jot things down in her/his own language,which means she/he understood every bit of the lesson. That's the DIFFERENCE between the catholic and other churches. Catholic making their doctrine out from the bible teachings and using the bible teachings to discover unrecorded facts about God and nature. Where as other pentecostal churches deceive themselves by cramming the bible verse by verse. Atlast they don't know God and their mentality about sticking to the bible ALONE won't let them study harder about God.

Antivirus92: That's the DIFFERENCE between the catholic and other churches. Catholic making their doctrine out from the bible teachings and using the bible teachings to discover unrecorded facts about God and nature.

frosbel: The question we should be asking is ;

When a person dies , is he dead or is another part of him existing somewhere.

Can a person exist outside his body and if yes, can you support this by scripture, no parables please !

CrazyMan: Unbelievers, then, are not sent to hell (the lake of fire) immediately after death, but rather are in a temporary realm of judgment and condemnation. However, even though unbelievers are not instantly sent to the lake of fire, their immediate fate after death is not a pleasant one.

Therefore, after death, a person resides in a “temporary” heaven or hell. After this temporary realm, at the final resurrection, a person’s eternal destiny will not change.

truthislight: this is my answer:
* He will neve resurrects and stays in a conscious state till he is being resurrected and giving the poturnity to Decide on judgement day.
.*

^^^

the sinner that have never heard of the message about the christ have no basis to be destroyed forever.

Such ones that God feels that they where honest from the heart though they never heard about christ are known by God and will be resurrected.
Isaiah 5:20

but those sinners that have heard about christ, the message they have heard about the christ, their response to the message serves as a judgement to them and they are not the kind of unrighteose the bible is talking about.

Anony: What happens to a sinner after he dies? I know you disagree with eternal torment so I'll leave that out but please choose an option:

D sage: Since I was not there, I assumed they took 10% of the total Gold or Silva received to God.

italo: Let me give an example. Enigma believes the Bible says Jesus is God. You believe the Bible says Jesus is not God. So which one is what the Bible actually says? Should we just take your own fallible opinion to be what the Bible says because your name is "Truthislight?"

italo: You mean what YOU THINK the Bible says - which is YOUR OPINION.

Afterall, you can possibly be wrong on what the Bible actually says, or can you not? Are you INFALLIBLE?

italo: What if you THINK that my understanding contradicts other parts of the Bible and it should be discarded, but I THINK that my understanding doesn't contradict those parts of the Bible and should not discard it... What should we do? Should we still go ahead and discard it, ONLY because YOU say so? Do you have that authority?

italo: But the Bible's 'explanation' differs from one man to another, and it is mainly due to each man's reasoning.

If you think that the Bible is explaining sometthing to be white and I feel that it is explaining that same thing to be black, who has the authority to judge who is right among us? Is it you?

truthislight: ^^^

very funny.

Ok, its learning time and plaeton is the tutor.
Can you cite/defence the bible portion that said that?



mind you, the exact word has to be "elshaddai" and not the meaning of elshaddai please.

Am waiting.

plaetton: Sir, have u been reading my posts.
in the bible,Yahweh clearly and unambigously tells Moses, that he (Yahweh) was known in olden times as El-shaddai.
Have you not seen this in the bible?
If you dispute that, please go and iron it out with Yahweh. Its your word against those of Yahweh. lol.

plaetton: Yahweh clearly and unambigously tells Moses, that he (Yahweh) was known in olden times as El-shaddai.

cyrexx: Welldone, guys on either camps, both eternal torturists (hellists) and total annihilists. Its getting interesting now as we have moved from the dulling preliminaries to action-packed stage.

I will just suggest that a common understanding should be reached on the meaning of death, you guys on either camps may be referring to different concepts while thinking you are referring to the same thing. It seems as if the meaning of death is twofold

1. To the annilhilists: death means total cessation of life, no consciousness whatsoever, until it is brought back to life again in ressurection. Death is the exact opposite of life.

2. To the hellists: death means another second life somewhere else with consciousness and awareness. You just change location from this physical world and enter the spirit world with your second life. Death is not the opposite of life but upgrading or downgrading from the body life to the spirit life, in either a good place or bad place as the case may be.

Which view is supported by the bible? Does the bible have its own consensus on this? Or are we to deduce our own conclusions from the scriptures or based on our personal rationalisations like ... Ehm.... Mr Anony... is very skilful with.

We shall see very soon.

Keep it coming guys, Kudos

Logicboy03: old man .....

plaetton: Sir, have u been reading my posts.
in the bible,Yahweh clearly and unambigously tells Moses, that he (Yahweh) was known in olden times as El-shaddai.
Have you not seen this in the bible?
If you dispute that, please go and iron it out with Yahweh. Its your word against those of Yahweh. lol.

plaetton: Yahweh clearly and unambigously tells Moses, that he (Yahweh) was known in olden times as El-shaddai.

davidylan: I would have taken you seriously if you were interested in discussing the bible as well. As it stands all you're interested in doing is copy-pasting from blogs issues that are largely superficial to your own understanding.

I mean lets get serious here... this is someone who didnt know deut 32 was a song despite claiming to have "read" it and after numerous corrections from anony, here was someone who told us the jews celebrated the feast of tammuz today without even consulting google first to verify his statement... now telling others what and what not to "discuss"? Quite rich i must say.