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Emusan: @Ayenny

Let me just say this; though I may continue to help your ignorance after you agree with my conclusion.

Firstly, you stake on Marriage: it's just a pity that you interpret Bible just to suit your fallacious point not what the Bible really teaches.

You claim no verse in the NT tha support single wife whereas Jesus statement make it clear that is one wife.
Matt 19:4-6 "4 And He answered and said to them,“Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6 So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”
Note the @bold carefully.

Later they quote from Moses book and He reply them this way in verse 8-9 "8 He said to them, “Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. 9 And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery.”

because of their heart hardedness that's why moses said they can divorce their wife but Jesus now tell them whosoever that do so committed adultery. Immediately, His desciples realised that the law is too hard they reply it's better not to even marry then but He let them know it's possible but only for those who are ready to receive it--verse 11-12
Even God hate divorce Malachi 2:16 “For the Lord God of Israel says That He hates divorce,
For it covers one’s garment with violence,”...........

So for Christian it is one wife and one husband.

You quote Exodus 21:10, Deut 21:15.

That's why I always shake my head when I see the way you twist Bible just to support your lies and the truth is so far away from you and you didn't realise it yet you just want to prove your religion is right by condeming Bible.

In Exodus 21:10 that you quote why can't you tell the truth for once AYENNY, and did Quran support lie too?

The verse is talking about a maidservant under his master that if pleases his master to marry her to his son, the maidservant must have the final say. In v10 the writer continue that if the master marry another wife for his son the right of that maidservant must be granted. Then it means if you don't have a maidservant you must not marry two wife, and for the people that have maidservant with what is happening today if I ask, how many rich man's son can marry their housemaid? though it happens sometimes but the range is very wide.

In Deu 21:15 Moses said IF a man is not FOR you that have it simply means is something that is not common but in case it happens then this is how to treat them---whereas Jesus make it clear why Moses permitted them in Math 19 and Jesus made it clear it was not so, it still remains one wife and one husband.

For us to continue with the remaining question, do you believe that Bible contradict? And for you to believe then Jesus is not talking about Muhammad. Agree or Disagree?

blink182: Please I have questions for Muslims too

1. Why is Mohammed so stupid he permits underage marriage?

2. Why does Mohammed draw confidence from maltreating women?

3. What do Muslims gain from being bigots?

4. Why does the aboki wash his dirty mouth from a kettle?

5. Why is the band wagon effect so strong with Islam?

6. Why do aboki people try to outdo Billy goats is beard length?

7. Why does the aboki shit in every gutter and corner of people's houses?

8. Why does the aboki value cattle life more than human life?

9. Why is Islam a religion of ignorant people?

10. Why can't Muslims use a toilet without urinating on the floor?

4. Why do muslims like eating kola?

5. Why do muslims rape their livestock including chicken at point of lay?

6. Why is Islam a weaker and inferior religion to Christianity?

7. Why has the population of Christians outdone Muslims worldwide wide despite whole islamic nations?

8. Why are camels still used as means of transport only in Islamic regions despite the availability of cars?

9. Why do abokis like chewing stick more than toothpaste and brush?

6. Why do you think you will wake up one morning to ask Christians meaningless questions that won't prevent you from going to hell and not expect an even more meaningless question as reply?

7. Why do you think all christians are calm and won't kick you between the thighs for trying to be a mawrawn?

8. I discovered I had more than 10 questions to ask and still wanted to end at 10 so ignore the numbering.

9. Why do Muslims believe so much in a dead Muhammed?

5. Why are Islamic miracles satanic in nature?

6. Why is there so much hate in Islam?

7. Why do muslims like setting humans on fire?

8. Why do muslims hate it when a dead Muhammed is referred to as dead?

9. Why are muslims bent on inheriting eternal destruction?

7. Why do muslims force their kids to remain muslims and go as far as killing to enforce that will?

8. Have you bothered to try correcting your faulty religion before trying to correct Christianity?

9. What is it about Christianity that tickles your fancy?

10. Do you really want to become a Christian and get to meet the Holy Spirit?

Oya say this prayer sharply

"Dear Jesus I believe you are the son of God and was sent to die for my sins. I open my heart to you today and accept you as my Lord and Saviour, come into my life today, this I ask in Jesus name, amen"

Okpari! E no pass like that, just de carry de go like that like that.

cleanvessel: @ sino

you muslim believe jesus did not die........

i put it to you that your belief is wrong. there is what they call faith and truth. whatever belief that it is not from God is not the truth.

allah did not say jesus is coming back to DIE. he said he is coming to judge (quran 43:61).

i have challenged the muslims above to state where allah himself said jesus is coming to DIE but all of them are looking away from it. i'm using this means to challenge you too and rescue your brothers, who must have been in confusion now.

if you believe (wrongly) that jesus didn't die before, your assumption that he is coming back to DIE is wrong because that is not the word of allah. it is human's idea.

waiting for you.

deSika: you dont get it do you.
1. Someone cannot be in heaven and earth at the same time. The person has to leave earth to go to heaven. If your clown of a prophet can see someone in heaven while still alive. That my friend is demonic or mental delusion. Can you name any other prophet that has done this. Am not surprised that you are defending this clear demonic demonstration am only sorry for you becos u have thrown away your reasoning capacity. Even God cannot see me in two places because am one and can only be in one place at same time.

tosin2013: @ truthman, u can now see why I keep calling u a clown!

First he was not a prophet and then he was appointed by gabriel amd then changed to 'there are two diff gabriels but there are no two Allahs and bla bla bla....

Yet u refuse to ans d requests of my self and ayenny02. U keep jumping d goal post in d middle of a game

U claimed Muhammad (Saw) was false by fighting wars and yet cannot explain y God commanded joshua, moses, solomon, david, Aaron and many others into battles on behalf of God. (Peace b on them all).

U started this thread on d basis of his going to PARADISE and not seeing d martyrs there but when asked to give evidence u claim 'where he went to was not relevant'!

I ve asked u to qoute d remaining verses of Quran 19, 65-72 yet u refused! Now I ask u again to qoute d full hadith of Sahih Bukhari Vol 9 No 532B pg 791 WHICH EXPOSES UR LIES AND HALF-TRUTHS from d previous hadith.

Unless u respond to these points (n not change d goal posts again) I will proclaim u as d LYING SUPERCLOWN of Nairaland!

ayenny02: That's main reason you should accept that you lied, there is different between heaven (sa'ma) and paradise (al-jannah).

I am not the type you can deceive with your lies and falsehood.

Let me give you an assignment to go and find the meaning of SA'MA and AL-JANAH and if you get it, pls apply it to your false topic and see where all those Prophets were and compare with PARADISE(AL-JANNAH)

I don't know why CHRISTIANS are like to propagate lies against ISLAM, if you don't know anything about ISLAM pls ask from Muslims and they will lecture you

basilico: So when will prophet Elijah taste death


2 Kings 2:11
As they were walking along and talking together, suddenly a chariot of fire and horses of fire appeared and separated the two of them, and Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind.

ayenny02: Before I answer your question, tell your friend "TRUTHMAN" to accept that he lied before I lecture you the different btw PARADISE and HEAVEN

tosin2013: Truthman d clown, u were dere when gabriel appointed him abi? Bfor he's not a prophet but now he's a prophet from gabriel? Will u stop insulting d archangel of God ?

N did u just say the previous prophets didn't fight wars? D story of david n goliath proves ur a clown. Didn't God command joshua to invade jericho? (Joshua 8, 1-24). My friend there are at least 80 references to wars waged on behalf of God in d bible!

And finally, will pls stop ur deliberate DIS-INFORMATION with ur half truths! Why not give us d full Quranic verses from chapter 19 vs65 -72 forvd complete meaning!

As per d hadith, didn't u read " .....and only dis nation (muslims) will b left with its HYPOCRITES. Allah .....bridge of Sirat wouldvbe brought....with thorns of sa' dan.....will entangle d people BASED ON THEIR DEEDS..."
In Islam mere declaration of faith by words doesn't guarantee salvation if its not backed by good actions! Those muslims whose words do not correlate to their actions and commit grave sins without repentance will get d reward spelt out in d hadith.

In islam paradise and hell are real n no jokes! U don't go to heaven by believing in a crucifixtion!

tosin2013: Truthman d clown, u were dere when gabriel appointed him abi? Bfor he's not a prophet but now he's a prophet from gabriel? Will u stop insulting d archangel of God ?

N did u just say the previous prophets didn't fight wars? D story of david n goliath proves ur a clown. Didn't God command joshua to invade jericho? (Joshua 8, 1-24). My friend there are at least 80 references to wars waged on behalf of God in d bible!

And finally, will pls stop ur deliberate DIS-INFORMATION with ur half truths! Why not give us d full Quranic verses from chapter 19 vs65 -72 forvd complete meaning!

As per d hadith, didn't u read " .....and only dis nation (muslims) will b left with its HYPOCRITES. Allah .....bridge of Sirat wouldvbe brought....with thorns of sa' dan.....will entangle d people BASED ON THEIR DEEDS..."
In Islam mere declaration of faith by words doesn't guarantee salvation if its not backed by good actions! Those muslims whose words do not correlate to their actions and commit grave sins without repentance will get d reward spelt out in d hadith.

In islam paradise and hell are real n no jokes! U don't go to heaven by believing in a crucifixtion!

ayenny02: SALAM ALAYKUM BROTHERS,

I don't know why my muslim brothers attend to the OP, the truthman2013 is a liar on his topic you don't need to argue with a LIAR, I have asked him several times to provide the evidence to support his claim but he ignored me because he knows that he is a liar.

Truthman claims that the Prophet (saw) went to PARADISE in a night and met some prophets of God, and I asked him to provide the evidence where Prophet went to PARADISE and met those prophets.

The hadith says Prophet (saw) went to HEAVEN not PARADISE. There is different btw PARADISE and HEAVEN, so you don't need to answer him again because he is a liar. He is already known that he is in FALSEHOOD and he is looking for a way to lies and let muslims contradict themselve.

RoyPCain: @truthman2013;

if there was no resurrection as the Quran says, then what you said does not hold, for sure.

RoyPCain: @cleanvessel: 43 verse 61 does not say Jesus is the judge but 'a' sign not the 'only' sign of the hour. when you read it, and know that anti-christ is alive when Jesus arrives, you know that his arrival is a sign that the time is getting nearer.

God is The Judge and Owner and King of the Judgment, not Jesus. no sir.

Allah says Jesus was not crucified then and was not killed by any method then. this you have heard already from the muslims. Allah says every soul shall taste death. This means Jesus will taste death in his return.


That should now settle it for you. You can disagree with the muslim position. But you can not say is that we muslims dont have this position. We do. It is better truth to you, it is reality and sweetness of conviction to us.

RoyPCain: @desika; from dialogue with you all this time, you should have guess that i will never not tell the truth in matters of Islam. Muhammad [sa] is the last prophet, meaning as a messenger as well [sa]. the prophets relate to God directly and through the Angels of God. God sees all and the 2 places or many places at the same time is nothing difficult for God. God will be the One telling His Prophet [as], in our case Muhammad [sa] of matters in 2 places or more places even if the prophet was not in any of the places.

i hope the above clears the air. and as for you in your house, you are a worshiper of man God when God says worship Me alone, no graven image, dont say the Name of God in vain. you are not even a believer in 1 whole God Who is not man, ghost and father. what you can never do because there is no after Muhammad [sa] is to do things that prophet [as] did because God revealed it to the prophets [as].

ayenny02: do you believe that jesus is still coming back, if your answer is yes, then is he going to die or raise back to heave and back it with reference from bible

RoyPCain: @desika:

i will not respond to your 'me and hell' matter because Allah is Merciful and InshaAllah I will be covered by His Mercy which I am inviting you to. but i want to say that if you are to tell me that you see me right this moment, i definitely know that since we are not in the same space though on the same earth, the fact that you have argued incoherently and always against truth i have began to discuss with you will make me conclude that you are off your rockers, since there is no more prophet to come after Muhammad [sa], i will suggest somebody get you help one time.

your thought about The messenger [sa] was the very thought the disbelieving jews had about Jesus [as]. so whats new since you are in the ranks of the jews about prophets [as]?


@truthman2013; either you don't know how to process information that you read or you are intentional mischievous. which one is your problem or is it both? i said those who will remain enter hell from the muslims are those who didnt repent. what you spoke about simply means the same. remember, i am the muslim between the two of us and i know the hadith you quoted and was on my mind when i responded to you. and my response was in agreement with the hadith. you must have read where the prophet [sa] said he is from among apostles [as] who are the first to cross the bridge? that means every apostle including Jesus, Moses, etc [as].

but did you reason and think about the hadith that if the hypocrites among muslims enter hell, what chance does a non muslim has of avoiding it according to the hadith? are you not concern about your own self? what preparation have you made to not be in hell on that day?

finally, i said read from 19/65 instead of starting from 68. its only 3 verses and its not even the whole chapter. you will find yourself among those who will have no choice to come to hell. if your lead is Muhammad [sa], whoever your leader is will be misguidance. where do you think misguidance leads but hell? you seem to love to deny. denial of truth is disbelief and disbelief is not profitable to those who die on it.

lanrexlan: At least,we have defended Islam and prove to you that Islam is against Idol worship and idol worship isn't incorporated into Islam,it's not a must you accept.You should do the same by analysing all what brother tintingz wrote up there......Peace

lanrexlan: At least,we have defended Islam and prove to you that Islam is against Idol worship and idol worship isn't incorporated into Islam,it's not a must you accept.You should do the same by analysing all what brother tintingz wrote up there......Peace

RoyPCain: @truthman2012; The "all nations" here is 12 nations of the children of Israel. let me give you to proofs; The first is to let you know that the children of israel had more than 1 nation. they had Israel and Judea even after the death of King Solomon. Check your Bible and you will know nations or the world to them is them alone and the rest of us who are not Jews are less than able to be a "nation" people.

The message of Jesus is to the lost sheep of the house of Israel and since salvation is of the jews, it was important that the jews are saved without any man out of the fold.

somebody has to be lying. Jesus who said he was sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel will not be the liar because salvation is of the jews and he had to make sure that was the statuesque.

the liar is the pen of who said Jesus says 'go preach to all nations'. the fact that it is a lie is the reason it is in all the 4 gospels about him, in spite of the 4 combined would not be the Gospel he preached.

RoyPCain: @truthman2013 and desika;

was our father Adam [as] so that all of us are jews? was Abraham [as] a jew so that his son Ishmael [as] a jew? this is something to think about, desika. The fact that the prophet [sa] said a man alive is from Paradise by the sound of his shoes in in front of him paradise is a clear testimony to his prophetic office. InshaAllah no muslims will be burnt by the fire of hell or be in hell except those who are arrogant by not turning back. there is no single verse that says muslims will pass through hell, while there is one saying all humans must come to it and will pass over it. it s passing at the time of passing over it the muslims will not fall into it, while others will fall into it, except Allah preventing it.

the muslims who will end up in hell as you have said will be those who did not turn back in repentance and died on evil deed while they did not renounce Islam. but Allah willing they will come out of it. they will be different from those who are not muslims and they be forever condemned into hell. My question to you is is that what you want for yourself, old man since i cant say you are old 120 years old woman in Lagos?

truthman2013, all of are young as long as we are alive because we have the opportunity that the dead dont have; we can improve, drop our evil ways. this is the single tat Islam calls you to; acknowledging God and worship His as He orders, not as you wish.

deSika: its interesting to note that the jewish prophets muhammad saw in paradise were long dead. Whereas the muslims he mentioned were still alive. I know that blindness wont allow you to see it. Its falsehood of the highest grade for you to accept that someone who is alive on earth is also in heaven. One would have expected Muhammad to have seen his dead jihad fighters in paradise during his visit. But no, maybe while passing through the hell they could not make it.

Its also interesting that you would pass tru hell or go to hell before going to paradise[am wondering whether as a tourist or what] and you still have the face to invite people who would not know what hell looks really looks like talkmore of seeing it to join you on you tour of hell before paradise.

Enjoy the hell tour while on your way to paradise, perhaps your paradise is just behind hell. That paradise must be hot for it to be accessible to hell tourists

tintingz: [color=#0066ff]Sorry sir all what i listed are pagan doctrines practiced and celebrated by christians

Islam doesn't practice idolatary [/color]

BetaThings: Have Muslims been converting? If yes, then this statement is a clear lie.
If not, them Christians who claim to have been converting muslims are lying
Choose the lie you are more comfortable with
Yeah, so Pastor Tunde Bakare is dead!

deols: The raise here is of the day of judgement.

The day of accountability. Jesus is yet to be raised

alienvirus: Chei! Christianity don suffer. See how Ayenny (a muslim) tears bible apart. It beats me for Ayenny to support every point with biblical verses.

Jazakallahu khairan brother.

RoyPCain: @truthman2012; Jesus promised you nothing because you are not from the children of israel. satan promises you the reason you are saying Jesus promises you. you will see that John was talking for John and didn't hear any of your hope from Jesus. just imagine the silence of the other 3 of what John says and you are chancing your eternity on that? if Jesus said them, can you imagine the 3 denying their audiences these very crucial details, the very building block of your very salvation?

Allah has answered John in the Quran; It is not possible for anyone give guidance of faith in truth [revelation] and wisdom to say worship any other but Allah, when he himself did not slack in worshiping Allah.

I listened to a christian yesterday saying that Jesus said the Lord's prayer, every day, yet it was recorded in the bible once try to show us that not all that Jesus did was recorded. we know that the christians conveniently dont care to write all especially since they make Jesus human and they formulated what they will on him to look more than human prophet. the point is when Jesus say the Lord's prayer everyday, it is a proof that he was not teaching it alone, but commanded upon him as a slave servant human prophet [as] to remember his Lord by.

RoyPCain: @truthman2012;

Again, 'heavens' is not paradise. maybe in christianity it is the final place of felicity since all you do will be clapping and singing. before Muhammad [sa] got to paradise, he passed through 7 layers of heavens. in these 7 layers he met the prophets you listed. Martyrs in Islam are already lodged in Paradise. you see the complete state of things now, truthmn2012? shine your eyes and shine your mind. if you think people are gonna be naked in paradise, why do you people dress you dead in fine suits? He foresaw Bilal [ra] who was still alive in paradise by hearing the sound of his shoes. So Alhamdulillah the martyrs were already there as well since they were already dead.

it seems as if you agreed with the explanation? when are you going to enter Islam my dear brother? dont let satan suggest any reason you should remain out. Hell is not something to wish an enemy because extreme heat is no joke. its summer time in northern hemisphere and everyone is feeling it already. its gonna be a crazy lazy daz of summer soon when even the air conditioner may not be able to handle the extreme heat in some places. that is nothing when you talk about fire to punish.

alienvirus: You got it all wrong. Ayenny has been very truthful in his assertions. You accused him of copy and paste of materials from other sites. How did his copy and paste materials tally with questions you asked after the OP.

You are the one being hurt here because you feel that christians with feeble minds shouldn't be reading Ayenny's posts because he exposes the lies and hidden facts about christianity.

If you want Ayenny to stop, beg him and it is not my fault.

Thanks!

RoyPCain: @truthman2012, desika, basilico: heavens [7 layers] are not Paradise. Paradise is beyond all of them. Paradise may be further that the farthest lote tree. The lote tree is the divider between this world [earth all the way to 7th heaven and just before the point of the lote tree].

Our father Adam [as] was on first. Jesus and John [as] on 2nd. Enoch [Idris] [as] who was elevated [as in some prophets are raised up more than others] was on 3rd. The prophet saw many more [including Yusuf, etc]. So on 6th was Moses [as] who he discussed the number of daily salah with and on the 7th was Abraham leaning on Baitul Mamur [heavenly sister structure of Kaaba, which it is directly opposite on top of]. It is this house that there are everyday 70,000 angels make pilgrimage to it, and never to return to it.

Were any of the prophets in Paradise when he met each? No. None of them was in paradise but in their assigned spaces and levels of the heavens. Heavens are not Paradise. I see why you christians are falling over each other in lack of understanding. Heaven is your destination. Paradise is ours inshaAllah. in heaven there are paradise and hell already. We will take paradise and we want you to cross to Islam to be able to, otherwise the alternative is not sweet.


Did Muhammad [sa] see anyone in Paradise? Believers. Proofs; The Quran says martyrs are in paradise already so Sumayya bint Khabat [RA] is in there, including Hamza bin Abi Mutalib [RA] and many more.

Hadith; Muhammad [SA] said to Bilal bin Rabah that he heard the sound of his shoes in from of him in Paradise.

RoyPCain: @truthman2012, desika, basilico: heavens [7 layers] are not Paradise. Paradise is beyond all of them. Paradise may be further that the farthest lote tree. The lote tree is the divider between this world [earth all the way to 7th heaven and just before the point of the lote tree].

Our father Adam [as] was on first. Jesus and John [as] on 2nd. Enoch [Idris] [as] who was elevated [as in some prophets are raised up more than others] was on 3rd. The prophet saw many more [including Yusuf, etc]. So on 6th was Moses [as] who he discussed the number of daily salah with and on the 7th was Abraham leaning on Baitul Mamur [heavenly sister structure of Kaaba, which it is directly opposite on top of]. It is this house that there are everyday 70,000 angels make pilgrimage to it, and never to return to it.

Were any of the prophets in Paradise when he met each? No. None of them was in paradise but in their assigned spaces and levels of the heavens. Heavens are not Paradise. I see why you christians are falling over each other in lack of understanding. Heaven is your destination. Paradise is ours inshaAllah. in heaven there are paradise and hell already. We will take paradise and we want you to cross to Islam to be able to, otherwise the alternative is not sweet.


Did Muhammad [sa] see anyone in Paradise? Believers. Proofs; The Quran says martyrs are in paradise already so Sumayya bint Khabat [RA] is in there, including Hamza bin Abi Mutalib [RA] and many more.

Hadith; Muhammad [SA] said to Bilal bin Rabah that he heard the sound of his shoes in from of him in Paradise.