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maclatunji: LWKMD! Is there anything like being 'raised dead'? This guy should stop making a fool of himself.

Where did you see anybody or prophet raised alive? Elijah WENT to heaven alive, not raised. You raise the dead not the living.

If Jesus was so special to Allah in islam that he would not allow him to be killed, why did he allow Muhammad to be poisoned? You mean Muhammad was not special to Allah.

deSika: the verse says Jesus life cycle would be

birth - death - raised up

but Maclatunji says Jesus life cycle would be

birth - raised up - come down - death - raised up


which one should i take. the quran or Maclantunji's verse

Ride on brother. You are on course.

ayenny02: Can you tell the teaching of jesus that the prophet (saw) did not teachHe shall bring all things into your remembrance:

The prophesy of this coming Paraclete requires that he shall remind mankind of the words of Jesus. Jesus is speaking here not to those who disbelieved, but to his own followers. He is telling his followers that the Paraclete shall "remind" them of the message of Jesus. However, if the followers of Jesus already know and remember all that Jesus taught then how shall the Paraclete "remind" them of something which they already remember?

Obviously, the coming Paraclete shall come in a time when the teachings of Jesus have been forgotten and require one to "remind" Jesus' followers of them. Indeed, the Qur'an does in fact confirm this same situation.
If you want answer for this, pls open your thread and call me OLODO

Let me answer the questions you are dodging:

What is islamic view point on Marriage, Sonship, Holy Spirit, Vengeance etc? Therefore Muhammad did not come to remind us of the sayings of Jesus. He did not qualify to take the place of the Holy Spirit.

MARRIAGE: Jesus said a man is entitled to marry only one wife(Matthew 19:5-6). Muhammad (islam) says you can marry as many as four wives or more. Did Muhammad remind us about Jesus saying here?

SONSHIP; Jesus called Himself Son of God (John 9:35-37, John 10:36). Did Muhammad come to remind us about this? Instead did he not deny it?

Holy Spirit: Jesus said the Holy Spirit was to come in His name (John 15:26). What did Muhammad remind of about the Holy Spirit. Did he have the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues like the Christians? Noway.

VENGEANCE: Jesus said if you are slapped on one side of the cheek, turn the other to him. This means taking no revenge. What did Muhammad teach? He taught you are permitted to return the kind of injury done to you in the same measure. Was that the remembrance of Jesus saying by Muhammad?

What message did your 'Paraclete' come to teach? To kill unbelievers? To be sleeping with slave women as Muhammad advised? To continue in the worship of Allah that Muhammad's family had been worshiping before he was born? To face Kaaba, the centre for 360 idols in Arabia when praying? To do ablution (washing the outer part when the inside is full of wickedness - killing etc)? To marry many wives? I see, Paraclete is Muhammad indeed.

Unless you want to deceive yourself, which you are doing, Muhammad neither come in the name of Jesus nor remind anybody what Jesus taught the disciples. Therefore he was not qualify as the Holy Spirit in any sense.

If Muhammad was the Holy Spirit, how did he live inside the disciples when they received Him (Holy Spirit)? Was he born yet at that time? Was he (Muhammad) existing before he was born? How do you people reason? It is like the more you read the quran, the less intelligent you become. Spiritual manipulations. I am sure the Holy Spirit cannot be happy with you for likening Muhammad, an ordinary sinner, a mortal to Him.

I begii go sidon and find something better doing.

ayenny02: You should have known me already, I am not the kind that they will ask question from him and run away

Let me ask you a question and if you answer me then your question will be answered
WII YOU LEAVE YOUR FALSEHOOD IF YOUR QUESTION IS ANSWERED AND ACCEPT THE TRUTH RELIGION

Where did you see falsehood? Muhammad came in contact with the spirit of his father's god - Allah, who introduced himself as Gabriel. Allah was the god worshiped in his family and their place of worship was Kaaba.

The same god in Kaaba is what you muslims are worshiping today. Who therefore is in falsehood. Keep deceiving yourself. You cannot take any Christian to hell you are going. It is not me who said it, it is your Allah (Quran 19:68-72).

Emusan: I think the major point Ayenny miss out is that bolded.

I keep wondering somebody you don't believe in His teaching suddenly become a person you solely embraced His prophecy.

Don't mind him my brother. Ayenny is deceived to deceive.

ayenny02: [img][/img]
Surah 4, Verses 157 & 158:

“and their saying : we killed Christ Jesus, son of Mary, The messenger of Allah - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but it was made to appear to them so; and those who disagree concerning it are full of doubts; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; For surely they killed him not; but Allah TOOK HIM UP UNTO HIMSELF; and Allah is ever mighty, wise.”

See your ignorance, you believed that jesus was killed on the cross and you still believe that he is coming back again and die for the second time abi? OLODO

I have narrated the story that it was judas that crucified not Jesus (as) but I will still repeat to you;

Another account of the second session with the priests that took place on the day after the arrest, is given in Luke 22:66 to 68 :

22:66 : And as soon as it was day, the elders of the people and the chief priests and the scribes came together, and led him into their council, saying,

22:67 Are you the Christ? Tell us. And he said unto them, if I tell you, you will not believe:

22:68 And if I also ask [you], you will not answer me, nor let [me] go.

Again, they want to know if he is Jesus. And he tells them: If I tell you (that I am Judas), you will not believe. And if I ask you (what happened to Jesus), you will not answer me, nor let me go.

In the trial that takes place before the governor Pilate, again the dominant question is: Are you the Christ? And most of the time Judas says: YOU say it. (That is YOUR statement, NOT MINE.) On other occasions, he remains silent like a stone. Please refer Luke 23:3, Mark 15:2, Mark 15:5, Matthew 27:11, Matthew 27:12. Matthew 27:14.

If you believe that it was your God (jesus) that was questioned by the jews, can't you see how your God (jesus) denied being a Christ but it was not Jesus.

You are totally confused. You need to take some change from the school fees you paid to your islamic teachers.

I said Jesus had died once, raised to die no more. Does that mean is coming to die again? How do you interpret that to mean he is coming back again to die? You are the real OLODO.

You said Jesus did not say he would die. You are a liar. He said so:
John 12:7 - Then Jesus said, Let her alone: against the day of my BURYING hath she kept this. Was he to be buried alive? Stop quoting the Bible you don't know.

Your quran is a bunch of confusions. It is not stable probably because it is said to be a guess-work. I have read on this nairaland where is has been proven as a guess-work. I am therefore not surprised that it is soooo contradictory. It says Jesus was to be born, to die and to be raised and later saying it did not die again. If you explain that to a small baby, he will know something is wrong with that book. Go and sit down somewhere jare. Muslims should be ashamed of you.

deSika: chief, i wasnt asking about divinity. why did Jesus get raised before his death in contrast to what the verse prescribed

take note it says raised alive. which is what you people saay happened to Jesus but you say he didnt die. so hw did he get raised before dieing. abi does he not know what he is saying.

These people are confused. Verse 34 of the quranic chapter you refer to says Jesus being born, dying and being raised is the truth they are doubting. If Allah had tried to clear their doubt and they are still doubting, it mean Allah himself cannot solve their problem.

Wait a minute. Was Muhammad not suprised he saw the listed people in paradise?

Allah said all humans will cross from hell to paradise on Resurrection Day and the evil doers will remain there (Quran 19:68-72). Had those people he saw in paradise crossed before the Resurrection Day? How did they find their ways to paradise?

I need a good answer please.

RoyPCain: @truthman2012: dont you realize that you are part of the humans/man who will pass over the bridge in Verses 66-68 of Surah Maryam?

19:66 And the disbeliever says, "When I have died, am I going to be brought forth alive?"
19:67 Does man not remember that We created him before, while he was nothing?
19:68 So by your Lord, We will surely gather them and the devils; then We will bring them to be present around Hell upon their knees.

why would you ignore the verses that include you in the trial and you are jumping to conclusion that the scenario i only for the muslims? dont be unjust to yourself. shine your eyes before there is no chance to escape.

God forbid I take part in crossing from hell to heaven. My Jesus didn't promise me so. He said in His Father's house are many mansions. He promised that where He is, there I will also be (John 14:1-3). Is Jesus in Hell? Capital No. I will be in heaven with him.

Once somebody is in hell there is no coming out forever, no crossing from hell to heaven said Jesus (Luke 16:19-26). What makes you qualify for hell, makes you stay there lai lai.

Verse 26: And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you CANNOT; neither can they pass to us (in heaven) that would come from thence (hell).

@ moderator(s)

To avoid being banned, ensure your post is not offensive to ANY RELIGION.

The statement is not true as far as your deleting or hidding posts are concerned. I have seen many posts by muslims here that could be termed more than offensive to Christianity but not tampered with. I discovered you delete/hide any slight talk against islam immediately. Is that justice? Just asking...!

deols: what more do you want to hear? He wasnt there for a roll call nor did he mention seeing everyone in paradise.

My sister, he saw some people as listed in the beginning of the thread. Go through the hadith on his anscension very well. God bless you as you do.

tosin2013: So ur so called list are all those in paradise? So where is Noah,Solomon, David Elijah Lot etc.dat were even prophets!

Candid advice; U NEED YABA LEFT!

That should tell you Muhammad was not in true paradise. It was satanic manipulations. The true paradise contains all the dead saints and not the only people Muhammad saw. Those people he saw were demons who impersonated them.

Muhammad said he saw many women in Hell. Did he go to heaven/paradise or hell? He saw Houris created for muslims for sexual immorality before the throne of God. Lies.

I read a book by an Occult Grand Master who was taken to heaven like Muhammad. He was shown just some people like Muhammad saw. He was welcome the way Muhammad was. He was made to believe he was senior to Jesus in spiritual rank. He later discovered it was deception when he met with Christ. He is today a preacher.

deSika: are you for real. no jihad fighters in paradise.

Yes my brother. Muhammad saw none of them.

@ ayyenny02

I have always told you that you don't know the meaning of the Bible passages you are quoting. You never can interpret the word of God correctly without having His Spirit. What you know in the Bible is the 'letter' and 'letter' killeth. I pray you will not kill yourself in the process. I know by the time you were posting this thread, your feeling was that it could not be refuted thinking you know it all. Can't you see you have deceived yourself?

Firstly, let me start with you this way: Jesus said he is the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE, nobody can come to the Father except by HIM (John 14;6). Since nobody can come to God except through Jesus, How do you think there is need for Muhammad? Thank God, when Jesus said this Muhammad was not yet born and so he didn't say it to compete with him.

Secondly, "But the Comforter,which is the Holy Ghost, whom the FATHER will send IN MY NAME, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said to you" (John 15:26). Note the following:

1. The Comforter is the Holy Ghost, never Muhammad

2. The Father. Allah is not a father as he has no children. It shows Muhammad did not come from the Father, the true God. Accepting God as father by muslims means committing the sin of 'shirk'

3. Send in my name. Muhammad was not said to have come in Jesus name and that was why he did not follow the message of Jesus Christ.

4. Bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said to you. Muhammad did not come to remind us of Jesus teachings. Muslims' usual defence is that Muhammad came to remind us of Jesus saying "worship my God and your God'. But that is not all Jesus taught. What is islamic view point on Marriage, Sonship, Holy Spirit, Vengeance etc. Therefore Muhammad did not come to remind us of the sayings of Jesus. He did not qualify to take the place of the Holy Spirit.

Thirdly, the promise of Holy Spirit had been fulfilled when He (Holy Spirit) came upon the disciples and they started speaking in new tongues (Acts 2:1-7). Muslims usual excuse here is that the Holy Spirit had been in existence before that time. Yes. He used to come and go, He was not residing permanently in man. Nobody before then spoke in a new tongue. The world was not expecting Muhammad.

Fourthly, Jesus was a faultless child according to Quran 19:19. Since Jesus was faultless, His messages must be perfect. What need is there for Muhammad to come and introduce imperfect massages and laying bad examples for the deceived to follow? I put it to you that there was no need to send Muhammad as a prophet to corrupt the perfect messages of Jesus Christ. God is not an author of confusion. Muhammad must have known his Lord by now.

olaheavy: @enitan and the rest of disbelieving christian munguns, I would like to ask you gullibles the following questions:
(1) Is it okay for you and your parents to believe that a guy is god, son of god, and spooky spirit all rolled into one simply because he was 'conceived' without a father via sekzual congress like normal people?
(2)Wouldn't it be alright and sensiblle if you fools had thought of Adam and held him in such an enviable esteem instead of the wandering carpenter?
(3) Is it not foolish of you all to have believed and called the wandering carpenter a god just because they claimed that he walked on water? By the way, an American mgician, Chris, actually did walk on water and also levitated quite alright. I guess he's now your new spooky lord and god!
(4) So, it's okay for you deceitful goons to call the wandering carpenter god simply because he turned a stone into bread and fed dozens with a few fish? Actually, Mr. Fatai Balogun, aka, TB Joshua, has performed more feats than those - and he continues to pull off highly incredible magical 'miracles' than the wandering carpenters ever did.
Please, quit being stupid and myopic - nobody forces you to believe in Islam just stop your silly display of craziness. Yes, I'm sure it was great and miraculous when that thieving, former Muslim, christian charlatan, Oyedepo, claimed that some Boko Haram guy ran mad in his church, huh? Ogede oponu, alainironu ara galatia. Dindinrin n din robo gbogbo! Siooooo!

I begii comot here.

olawalebabs: Thank You, Islam is not religion of MIRACLE but SIGN. All these things are just crab, real crab.

You mean Allah cannot do miracles like Jehovah God?

DonHummer: Some pple are daft...dey didnt evn read d topic dey started bashin catholics....was it nt stated dat its d one used by muslims...

That serves catholics right. Where did they get the use of rosary from. Idol worshipers that they are.

saheedat: Humm, if the baby was born with a bible, will all your comments be same.....

No. It can't happen. Jehovah God is not a magician. What was Jesus born with?

Sweetnecta: there is no way Quran will come from a woman's womb.

the pure islam of Muhammad [sa] does not have rosary.
Muhammad [sa] used his fingers to count.

so there is no pure islam with rosary in hand of a new born.

Hello, Sweetnecta

Long time, no more words from you. I expect to hear from you soonest.

So you don't believe in this Allah's ''miracle'' too?

Tlake: When are we nigerians gonna be ever wise .ethnic we discriminate nw its religion we r doin same .Whether u r a muslim or christian all we shuld knw is dat GOD has shown signs dat his here with us n we should fear him.u believe in christ servr him ,u believe in Allah serve him on the day of jugdement every 1 will knw where they fall

Which God, Jehovah or Allah?

anishe: بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم





2:1 Alif, Lam, Meem.

2:2 This is the Book about which there is no doubt, a guidance for those conscious of Allah -

2:3 Who believe in the unseen, establish prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them,

2:4 And who believe in what has been revealed to you, [O Muhammad], and what was revealed before you, and of the Hereafter they are certain [in faith].

2:5 Those are upon [right] guidance from their Lord, and it is those who are the successful.

2:6 Indeed, those who disbelieve - it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe.

2:7 Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing, and over their vision is a veil. And for them is a great punishment.
Suratul Baqara Quran Chapter 2 Verses 1-7

Allah does not perform any miracle for the benefit of humanity like healing the sick, raising the dead to life etc. All he does is writing everywhere, giving birth to babies with quran printed in the world and this time rosary. Do they produce rosary in paradise? Satanic deception.

Muhammad was a warrior, not a prophet. He failed the test of his prophethood when questioned. He confessed he was an ordinary man.

By the way, Mr Moderator, what is this thread doing here since 2010. It ought to have been transferred to muslims section since.

tintingz: Are there no idolatary in christianity?

¤ The cross is a form paganism

¤ trinity is paganism(God is not multiple)

¤ image of God bowing to Jesus image...worshiping Mary and calling her mother of God. Is paganism

¤ Christmas is paganism

¤ Valentine is paganism

¤ Easter is paganism

¤ claping and dancing is it a form of worship according to God and Jesus?? It is paganism

Everything about christianity is not from God nor preached by Jesus(as) all are paganism doctrine

You just said your mind without proof. Is it because you cannot defend islam as idol worship you are so furious, which made you decide what you wrote? Your statement has no basis. If you like continue in your idol worship (islam) and get Allah's gift of Hellfire at the end (Quran 19-68-72).

alienvirus: It seems you just joined NL. You ask frosbel how lagosshia dealt with him on this forum. We know d letters, you know the meaning. Pls use the meaning to answer the questions in letters posted by ayenny

I don't see frosbel as representing the Christians. He could be a muslim in disguise. All his posts are against Christian doctrines. It could be a trick if he surrendered to lagosshia.

I have told ayenny too that he only deals with the letters of the Bible. He doesn't know the meaning. He only copies his posts from islamic websites and paste them on nairaland. Most of the time he doesn't go through his quotations.

Ayenny plays trick with his posts. If you notice, his posts are always unnecessarily long, making response to all of them very difficult, He does all the talk by his lengthy posts. He hates good points against his posts and turn aggresive. Tell him to take it easy as there is no compulsion in religion.

tintingz: Confused christians...and you will now tell us Jesus died for our sins

Oh no! You didn't get it right. When you give your life to Jesus, you confess your sins and forsake them. If you truly believe He is your Lord and Saviour (which is usually the problem` your sins are automatically forgiven. But if by mistake you sin again, Jesus will help an advocate. I can sense what your next question is: what about those sinners who lived and died before Jesus. Simple.

[1 Peter 3:18] For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

[1 Peter 3:19] By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

Those who lived and died before Jesus had the opportunity of hearing the gospel from Jesus Himself. Those who accepted him among the dead would be delivered from the power of Hell. Jesus is so good, He even cared for the dead.

F00028: what list? who told you there was a list??
he wasn't there to take a roll call of the inhabitants.

He saw those people and didn't see any of his fighters in Paradise? No wonder he was not sure of his own destiny in the afterlife.

[quote author=Akin d archi][/quote]:....to the best of my knowledge". Your knowledge is not sound enough.

It was the accusation brought against Jesus that made the Roman authorities to killed him. It was NOT the authorities who decided to kill him on their own.

[John 19:6] When THE CHIEF PRIEST therefore and the OFFICERS saw him, and they cried out saying, Crucify him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, TAKE YE HIM AND CRUCIFY HIM: FOR I FIND NO FAULT IN HIM.

It was the law keepers who wanted Jesus killed and they killed Him. The muslims are the law keepers of today. The reason they killed Jesus is what the muslims are shouting loud and clear that Jesus is not the Son of God.

[John 19:7] The Jews answered him (Pilate), We have a LAW and by our LAW he ought to die, because HE MADE HIMSELF THE "SON OF GOD".

By implication, if Jesus were to be around today, Muslims will condemn Him to death. The spirit of anti-Christ dwelling in those religious people at that time, raised islam as a religion. Some good things the quran said about Jesus is just the deception to give the impression that it is the word of God, but we know it is not.

alienvirus: Christians are hereby advised not to fvck with the muslims. Muslims know bible better than you and Adeboye!

You know the letters of the Bible not the meaning.

When Muhammad went to Paradise in a night, he saw many people who once lived in this world. They are:

1. Adam
2. John (Yahya
3. Jesus (Eisa)
4. Joseph (Yusuf)
5. Enoch
6. Aaron (Harun)
7. Moses (Musa)
8. Abraham (Ibrahim)

There were some people missing in that list. Of importance to Muhammad, which he should have asked of their whereabout were his followers who died fighting Jihad with him.

Where are they?