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ayenny02: yes, Quran and Bible confirmed it that Jesus was not killed and not crucified.
Can you tell me those who witnessed it when the bible said the disciples didn't witnessed the crucificationThere is no contradiction in Quran,

Here is what Noble Verse 19:33 states: "So peace is upon me [Jesus] the day I was born, the day that I DIE, and the day that I shall be raised up to life." 

Trinitarian Christians believe that Jesus was GOD Himself, or part of GOD, came to earth, was crucified on the cross to purify our sins and then raised from death back to life and went up to heaven until he will come back again to this earth.  The Noble Quran does not in anyway support this theory!.  

We Muslims believe that Jesus was born from a Noble Virgin; Mary the Virgin, preached the word of GOD to the people of Israel, raised to Allah Almighty alive, will come back to earth again to fight the army of Satan and then die a natural death and then be raised again back to life from death as we all do in the Day of Judgement. 

There is a similar Verse to 19:33 in the Noble Quran that was mentioned to another Messenger of GOD: "So peace on him [Yahya, or John the Baptist] the day he was born, the day that he dies, and the day that he will be raised up to life!  (The Noble Quran, 19:15)"  This Noble Verse (19:15) is similar to 19:33, where it does not at all state that any Messenger of GOD was crucified or will die twice!. 

The reason why no Messenger of GOD will ever die twice is because Allah Almighty said clearly in His Noble Book that every soul He creates (this includes all of His Messengers and Prophets even Jesus) shall taste death once;  "Nor will they [all humans who end up in heaven] there taste death, except the first death; and He will preserve them from the penalty of the blazing fire.   (The Noble Quran, 44:56)

ayenny02: LIES EXPOSED....... Who reported this?MR MAN, can't you see how you exposed the contradiction in ur Bible. Which one shu we believe now btw PAUL and UNKNOWN MAN
Infact, its better for you to keep quiet than to say anything, see how you exposed your falsehood in your Bible and you expect me to accept that as a truth. NO NO NO!!!!!!!!
You better use your hand to cover your eyes and walk out from NAIRALAND and allow others to come in.

ayenny02: Muslims believes are three things about the alleged crucifixion of Jesus:

1. They didn't kill him.

2. They didn't crucify him.

3. But it was made to appear to them so.

In the case of an affirmative sentence, like: “They killed him” , there is no doubt. Everything is clear. 1. The Offender 2. The Offence 3. The Offended. But once the word “NOT” comes in and makes it a negative sentence, like: “They DID NOT kill him”, there is a possibility to vary the meaning in three ways by shifting the stress alternatingly on the rest of the three words:

1. “They did not kill him” would mean that somebody else killed him.

2. “They did not kill him” in this context would mean that they just tortured him but did not kill him.

3. “They did not kill him” would mean that they killed somebody else.


There is no doubt as to The Offender. The Jews themselves claim to have done the deed and we all know of their complicity. Now the doubt remains about Two Things: The Offence and The Offended. About the second possibility that “They did not kill him” would mean that they crucified him but he escaped death, Muslims denies that too.

The next part of the verse eliminates that possibility by saying: They did not crucify him. Having eliminated the first two possibilities, only the third one survives: “They did not kill him.” Yes, it was not him that they crucified and killed, but someone else. So, let us write that part of the verse, by putting the stress on the right word:

they did not kill him;

they did not crucify him;

but it was made to appear to them so.

It was made to appear to them that they crucified Jesus and killed him. They did not kill nor crucified Jesus.

FROM JESUS BELIEF

1. First of all, while Jesus was awaiting arrest by the soldiers, what he tells his disciples is that

a) “sleep on now, and take rest: it is enough, the hour is come; behold, the son of man is betrayed into the hands of the sinners.” (Mark 14:41)

b) “the son of man is betrayed to be crucified” (Matthew 26:2)

Jesus never said he will be crucified, but only reveals the intention with which he will be betrayed: “betrayed to be crucified”.

2. Jesus says in Matthew 26:24: “The son of man goes as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born”

a) About himself, Jesus says: “The son of man goes as it is written of him ” ; goes and not dies.

b) About the betrayer he says: “it had been good for that man if he had not been born”, a nice way of wishing death for the betrayer.

Even after this curse by Jesus, is there a way that the betrayer will continue to live ? Thus, in the above verse, it has been determined as to who is destined to go and who is destined to die.

WHO DESTINED TO DIE BTW JESUS AND JUDAS

ayenny02: Let me show you paul's contradiction
Acts 9: 1-7:
........... And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, HEARING A VOICE, but seeing no man

So as we can see, Acts verse 7 says that the men who accompanied Paul heard a voice, but saw no man, they saw nodoby. Now let us compare this with Acts 22 5-9:

.......... And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they HEARD NOT THE VOICE of him that spake to me.

So now as you can see, in Acts 22 Paul says the man saw a light, but heard no voice! In Acts 9 Paul says the men so no man, but heard a voice!!!!
can you explain what circumcision mean? LIAR
The Pauline “Christians” that exist today do not follow Christ, they should be called Paulians. The true Christians were the Nazarenes and Ebionites that no longer exist.

 Paul degraded Jesus in the following verses:

Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, (Hebrews 6:1, English Standard Version)

Paul emphasized that Christ was not perfect, hence his teachings should be discarded, because according to Paul, they are like ‘filthy and useless rags’ (Isaiah 64:6) and we must excel towards “perfection and maturity”. The deceptive editors changed the English translation of Paul’s damaging words. This outrageous statement has been softened in many other versions of the Bible:

So let us stop going over the basics of Christianity again and again. Let us go on instead and become mature in our understanding. Surely we don't need to start all over again with the importance of turning away from evil deeds and placing our faith in God. (Hebrews 5:7. New Living Translation

maclatunji: Because you have created this illusion in your mind.

maclatunji: Sure it is. I anticipate that it might happen in the not-too-distant future.

pointblank 321: In islam nobody is certain of his fate after death. Unfortunately, no muslim has ever died and come back to give them an idea of what is happening over there. In Christianity there is a way you relate with God you become sure of your Afterlife.

2 Timothy 4:7
I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:

2 Timothy 4:8
Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, BUT UNTO ALL THEM ALSO THAT LOVE HIS APPEARING.

The above passage shows the confidence Paul expressed in his Afterlife. Not Paul alone but as many as live godly lives in Christ. The contrary is the case in islam.

[Quran 46:9]
Say: I am not the first of the messengers, and I do not know what will be done with me or with you: I do not follow anything but that which is revealed to me, and I am nothing but a plain warner.

Here it is stated that Muhammad and the muslims do not know what will be done with them. Some islamic defender said the verse is not talking about Afterlife, that is saying that Muhammad as his followers did not know what the unbelievers would do with them: whether they would be killed, harmed or exiled. But the below shows clearly that the verse is actually talking about their Afterlife:

Narrated 'Um al-'Ala:
An Ansari woman who gave the pledge of allegiance to the Prophet that the Ansar drew lots concerning the dwelling of the Emigrants. 'Uthman bin Maz'un was decided to dwell with them (i.e. Um al-'Ala's family), 'Uthman fell ill and I nursed him till he died, and we covered him with his clothes. Then the Prophet came to us and I (addressing the dead body) said, "O Abu As-Sa'ib, may Allah's Mercy be on you! I bear witness that Allah has honored you." On that the Prophet said, "How do you know that Allah has honored him?" I replied, "I do not know. May my father and my mother be sacrificed for you, O Allah's Apostle! But who else is worthy of it (if not 'Uthman)?" He said, "As to him, by Allah, death has overtaken him, and I hope the best for him. By Allah, though I am the Apostle of Allah, yet I DO NOT KNOW WHAT ALLAH WILL DO TO ME. By Allah, I will never assert the piety of anyone after him. That made me sad, and when I slept I saw in a dream a flowing stream for 'Uthman bin Maz'un. I went to Allah's Apostle and told him of it. He remarked, "That symbolizes his (good) deeds.
(Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 266)

The hadith confirms that Muhammad was talking about his Afterlife. He was not sure of what Allah will do to him at death. If the leader is not sure of his position with God, how will the followers? Infact the quranic verse under reference (46:9)also confirms not only Muhammad but all the muslims as well do not know what will happen to them. THIS is GAMBLING WITH ONES ETERNAL LIFE.

Since Muhammad was unsure, he could not give what he didn't have as he could not teach what he didn't know. Since he didn't know how to get to heaven, he was not qualified to teach people how to get there.

tunshe: Have you ever ask yourself why Islam is the fastest growing religion despite your lies,propaganda,sentiments,intolerance,misleading information,deceits,fabrications.............??

abubello: [b][/b]

You admitted the Bible contains "individual speakers opinion" and yet you insist the bible is not corrupt!
If a book that is supposed to be the word of God contains differeent opinions of human beings is that not corruptrion?

You claim my post is too long, ok, kindly address the first three contradictions

abubello: [b][/b]

You admitted the Bible contains "individual speakers opinion" and yet you insist the bible is not corrupt!
If a book that is supposed to be the word of God contains differeent opinions of human beings is that not corruptrion?

You claim my post is too long, ok, kindly address the first three contradictions

zayhal: Nonsense. Even a child knows that those people up there aren't muslims. What would unbelievers not do to slander Islam? But the joy of it is that truth will always stand no matter what.

Little wonder, Islam keeps growing despite all the lies and slandering. I just pray for those writing these rubbish that they repent before death overtakes them.

tunshe: You are on point!

However,we believe and know that such killings are not part of Islamic teachings.

abubello: @op Look at these clear contradictions in the bible.

1. In the New Testament, there are contradictions between the genealogies of Jesus given in the first chapter of Matthew and the third chapter of Luke. Both genealogies begin with Jesus’ father, who is identified as Joseph (which is curious, given that Mary was supposedly impregnated by the Holy Ghost). But Matthew says Joseph’s father was Jacob, while Luke claims he was Heli. Matthew lists 26 generations between Jesus and King David, whereas Luke records 41. Matthew runs Jesus’ line of descent through David’s son Solomon, while Luke has it going through David’s son Nathan.

2. The story of Jesus' birth is also contradictory. Matthew 2:13-15 depicts Joseph and Mary as fleeing to Egypt with the baby Jesus immediately after the wise men from the east had brought gifts. But Luke 2:22-40 claims that after the birth of Jesus, his parents remained in Bethlehem for the time of Mary’s purification (which was 40 days, under the Mosaic law). Afterwards, they brought Jesus to Jerusalem "to present him to the Lord," and then returned to their home in Nazareth. Luke mentions no journey into Egypt or visit by wise men from the east.

3. Concerning the death of Judas, the disloyal disciple, Matthew 27:5 states he took the money he had received for betraying Jesus, threw it down in the temple, and "went and hanged himself." To the contrary, Acts 1:18 claims Judas used the money to purchase a field and "falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out."

4. In describing Jesus being led to his execution, John 19:17 recounts that he carried his own cross. But Mark 15:21-23 disagrees by saying a man called Simon carried the cross.

5. As for the crucifixion, Matthew 27:44 tells us Jesus was taunted by both criminals who were being crucified with him. But Luke 23:39-43 relates that only one of the criminals taunted Jesus, the other criminal rebuked the one who was doing the taunting, and Jesus told the criminal who was defending him, "Today shalt thou be with me in paradise."

6. Regarding the last words of Jesus while on the cross, Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34 quote Jesus as crying with a loud voice, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" Luke 23:46 gives his final words as, "Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit." John 19:30 alleges the last words were, "It is finished."

7. There are even contradictions in the accounts of the resurrection – the supposed event that is the very foundation of the Christian religion. Mark 16:2 states that on the day of the resurrection, certain women arrived at the tomb at the rising of the sun. But John 20:1 informs us they arrived when it was yet dark. Luke 24:2 describes the tomb as open when the women arrived, whereas Matthew 28:1-2 indicates it was closed. Mark 16:5 declares that the women saw a young man at the tomb, Luke 24:4 says they saw two men, Matthew 28:2 reports they saw an angel, and John 20:11-12 claims they saw two angels.

8. Also in the resurrection stories, there are contradictions as to the identity of the women who came to the tomb,[7] whether the men or angels the women saw were inside or outside the tomb,[8] whether the men or angels were standing or sitting,[9] and whether Mary Magdalene recognized the' risen' Jesus when he first appeared to her.

9. As a final example of a New Testament contradiction, the conflicting accounts of Paul’s conversion can be cited. Acts 9:7 states that when Jesus called Paul to preach the gospel, the men who were with Paul heard a voice but saw no man. According to Acts 22:9, however, the men saw a light but didn't hear the voice speaking to Paul.
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miftaudeen: @ Truthman2012, you ran away from my trend, you said that you prayed for ss patient and a bro. with disease and they were ill from their illness. i had organised a ss patient and blind man for you, they are waiting for your miracle. o ni jibiti

maclatunji: What kind of 'truthman' relies on lies for his evangelism? I know, he got his 'truth' from an antiIslamic website.

Chromablesimple: What a distance dream of yours! I believe u read in the bible dt the spirit of devil will appear to some pple in the spirit of light to deceive them, the bible told us that once someone is dead he no longer belong to the living realm, all those pple u ve cite to prove ur fairy tale are all possessed by evil spirit.
Grow up man! Do u know wot many do to get their power? Stop this wishful thinking, lot are happening today in the world, don't see any man of God as saint or Godsent, check d trend and see how ur own salvation can be assured.
It is only by the mercy and grace of God can somebody be saved and not by his deed or righteousness. Brother, don't believe everytin u read!

ayenny02: Gbammmmu, thks for accepting the truth that OLD and NEW BIBLE were not from God except from unknowing author.

About your question, search engine is you friend for the answer or to open another thread don't derail this topic, I understand ur logic and how you feel, is not easy to leave what you have bn brainwashed since ur childhood but try to seel for the truth.

ayenny02: Gbammmmu, thks for accepting the truth that OLD and NEW BIBLE were not from God except from unknowing author.

About your question, search engine is you friend for the answer or to open another thread don't derail this topic, I understand ur logic and how you feel, is not easy to leave what you have bn brainwashed since ur childhood but try to seel for the truth.

ayenny02: Gbammmmu, thks for accepting the truth that OLD and NEW BIBLE were not from God except from unknowing author.

About your question, search engine is you friend for the answer or to open another thread don't derail this topic, I understand ur logic and how you feel, is not easy to leave what you have bn brainwashed since ur childhood but try to seel for the truth.

Chromablesimple: That is only gaurantee if and only if u strictly adhere to the teaching of Jesus.Jusus never claimed Divinity so wot mansion are u talking about, all that are fairy tale, only God(Allah) has d final decision. As u may agree with me that God may forgive other sins but not that of associating partner with HIM, before it is too late, Truthman, stay off IDOLATRY and know that GOD ALmight alone is due to be worship and not Jesusa,a man, a creature like u an ordinary messenger. Look and read objectively through d bible, all d practice in it are done by the muslim, for instance the aspect of worshiping God directly which was practised by Jesus, ask urself if today christians are doing wot the bible stipulates.

Chromablesimple: you are too busy on the muslim section posting series of misleading and bias and irrelevant ideas. Truthman, I assure u that u will be among those Jesus said they will cast demons in his name but they are false prophet, u have no place before Jesus u should rather do some objective comparative religions and seek God's guidance so that u will not end up in hell fire.

Chromablesimple: truthman d bible u ve quoted to support ur claim was not referring to Adam, it was separately saying sometin else in another content. you don't understand what contention here is all about, it is all about christians total deviation from d pure Jesus's teachin. From d rest uncorrupted part of the bible we can still c dat most of d Jesus teaching are not follow by today' s christians. If d Quran had not been revealed, no one would have notice d obvious corruption and dogma in d bible, believe me I wouldn't ve have any choice but to follow d bible but thank God for the Quran. Can we consider some opinion to signify Jesus teaching

The mission of Jesus Christ (pbuh) he came to fulfill the Law:
Jesus (pbuh) never claimed divinity for himself. He clearly announced the nature of his mission. Jesus (pbuh) was sent by God to confirm the previous Judaic law. This is clearly evident in the following statements attributed to Jesus (pbuh) in the Gospel of Mathew:
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the Prophets; I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the Kingdom of heaven; but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.
(The Bible, Mathew 5: 17-20)
God sent Jesus (pbuh):
The Bible mentions the prophetic nature of Jesus mission in the following verses:
and the word whic h ye hear is not mine, but the Fathers which has sent me. (The Bible, John 14:24)
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou has sent. (The Bible,John 17:3)
Jesus refuted even a remote suggestion of his divinity. Consider the following incident mentioned in the Bible:
And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God; but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
The above statements from the Bible refute the Christian dogma of divinity of Jesus and of salvation through the sacrifice of Jesus (pubh). Jesus (pbuh) exhorts keeping the commandments as the means to achieve salvation.
( The Bible, Mathew 5: 17-20)
Truthman, don't tell any muslim about Jesus, we know him. You pple are only idolizing him as against his teaching and a violation of the GOD Almighty. Cheer bro, if an offense comes out of the truth, better an offense come than the truth be concealed.

ayenny02: Dr. Lobegott Friedrich Konstantin Von Tischendorf, one of the most adamant conservative Christian defenders of the Trinity and one of the Church's foremost scholars of the Bible was himself driven to admit that:

"[the New Testament had] in many passages undergone such serious modification of meaning as to leave us in painful uncertainty as to what the Apostles had actually written"

Secrets of Mount Sinai, James Bentley, p. 117

"Yet, as a matter of fact, every book of the New Testament with the exception of the four great Epistles of St. Paul is at present more or less the subject of controversy, and interpolations are asserted even in these."

Encyclopaedia Brittanica, 12th Ed. Vol. 3, p. 643

After listing many examples of contradictory statements in the Bible, Dr. Frederic Kenyon says:

"Besides the larger discrepancies, such as these, there is scarcely a verse in which there is not some variation of phrase in some copies [of the ancient manuscripts from which the Bible has been collected]. No one can say that these additions or omissions or alterations are matters of mere indifference"

Our Bible and the Ancient Manuscripts, Dr. Frederic Kenyon, Eyre and Spottiswoode, p. 3

The Jehovah's Witnesses in their "AWAKE" Magazine dated 8th September 1957 published the following headline: "50,000 Errors in the Bible" wherein they say "..there are probably 50,000 errors in the Bible...errors which have crept into the Bible text...50,000 such serious errors..." After all of this, however, they go on to say: "...as a whole the Bible is accurate."

Also Dr. W Graham Scroggie of the Moody Bible Institute, Chicago, a prestigious Christian evangelical mission, says:

"..Yes, the Bible is human, although some out of zeal which is not according to knowledge, have denied this. Those books have passed through the minds of men, are written in the language of men, were penned by the hands of men and bear in their style the characteristics of men...."

"It is Human, Yet Divine," W Graham Scroggie, p. 17

Another Christian scholar, Kenneth Cragg, the Anglican Bishop of Jerusalem, says:

"...Not so the New testament...There is condensation and editing; there is choice reproduction and witness. The Gospels have come through the mind of the church behind the authors. They represent experience and history..."

"The Call of the Minaret," Kenneth Cragg, p 277

Also read more;www.religioustolerance.org/chr_hcri.htmGOD Almighty Said: "`How can you say, "We [the Jews] are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?' (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:"

See Also Deuteronomy 31:25-29 where Moses peace be upon him predicted the corruption/tampering of the Law (Bible) after his death.

The Book of Moses predicted that the Law (Bible) will get corrupted.  The Book of Jeremiah which came approximately 826 years after did indeed confirm this corruption

To know how original bible has lost go here; http://irr.org/todays-bible-real-bible
Satan is a great counterfeiter. He devises false teachers and false prophets (2 Peter 2:1) , false apostles with false gospels (2 Cor 11:1-15) and false miracles (2 Thess 2:9). In the end times these will combine into a powerful deception that will even seem to threaten the existence of the church itself.

Bible states seven times that false miracles will mislead many (Matthew 7:21-23, 24:24, Mark 13:22, 2 Thess 2:8-12, Rev 13:13,14, 16:14,19:20) and it seems that this will involve a large section of the world's population (the Greek word for many has the connotations of a majority). Those deceived will believe that they are serving God in the name of Jesus when in fact they are "workers of iniquity".


(Matthew 7:21-23 NKJV) "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. {22} "Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' {23} "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'